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Being introduced firmly to console gaming in the fifth generation, and only getting into it in a significant way in the sixth, I am in the dark a lot about some of the things I missed back in the day. Thus, I would like to ask some of the older gamers a few questions.

1. Did Sega really run an ad Campaign pointing out that Sonic was way cooler than Mario? If they did, how was that legal?

2. Whats the deal with Leisure Suit Larry? What the hell is it, and why would anyone allow it to exist?

3. Who the hell is Cammy, and why does everyone say she's a lesbian?

4. What made ET so horrible? Its spoken of in hushed whispers, and its almost synonymous with bad game, but what made it so terrible?

5. Why didn't the Gradius series ever become a 3D game similar to Starfox?

3. Who the hell is Cammy, and why does everyone say she's a lesbian?

Cammy, I assume

5. Why did the Gradius series ever become a 3D game similar to Starfox?

It did? I thought that was just the ZoE2 minigame you could unlock.

1. Yes, in fact they did. Sega and Nintendo had a BITTER advertisement battle that puts ALL political smear campaigns in the history of ever to shame. I don't know how it was legal or illegal, but Sony did the same thing when they first released the Playstation and tried to shoehorn Crash Bandicoot down our throats, going so far as to have commercials where a man in a Crash Bandicoot costume beats the snot out of men in Sonic and Mario costumes.

2. Leisure Suit Larry is the great american dating Sim, where you play a lackluster horndog in his quest for poontang. It was basically a "dirty" game for adult gamers who were more interested in character development then the other "adult" offerings of the time, which were little more then retarded pixelated mono-colored porn.

3. Cammy was a street fighter character introduced in Super Street Fighter 2 and she was freaking awesome. As to why she's a lesbian, I don't know, but she was a british special forces agent who wore a green bathing suit and baret, with ridiculously long braided pig tails. She also had a tendency to show off her lovingly crafted behind when she won.. mm.. I miss cammy.

4. ET was just horrible because noone could actually beat it, and the gameplay bore very little resemblance to the movie. In retrospect, it's really not as bad as others have said, as other HORRIBLE games have come to soften the blow (Superman 64, I'm looking at you), but back then, it was a real disappointment apparently. Also, the game makers made MILLIONS of carts because they thought it was awesome, and most of those got buried in the dirt and set on fire. No joke.

5. Because the makers of Gradius are Pillocks that didn't understand the value of their own game? I didn't even know that it did become a starfox like game.

1. I don't know if they ran an ad campaign about being cooler but Sonic and Mario were bitter rivals both being mascotts for their systems so I would not be suprised.

2. Its an adult only game series made by Al Lowe. Ignore the new crap that has come out, the orignals were duing the point and click adventure game golden age. They were about a 40's something guy called Larry Laffer trying and mostly failing to get laided. They use the old point and click formula and from memory they were pretty good and funny.

3. Don't even know who Cammy is so can't help.

4. Watch http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=R2o3mlg5AxQ this.

5. Not familiar with the Gradius series either.

Sorry, I made a typo on the fifth question.

Well young man (or lady) you've come to the right place. I view it as one of my innumerable video-game related sacred duties to educate whippersnapers such as yourself so you can start enjoying classic video games, and get your damn skateboard off my lawn!!!

1) I don't remember this ad specifically, but there was a whole East-coast West-coast thing with Big N and Sega back in the day. Nothing about advertising a coolness one-up that is illegal though.

2) Leisure Suit Larry is like Cinemax; it's a halfway step to porn. One of the big draws of LSL (besides porn) was the humor (despite it being horrible and lame). It's a game, and it is allowed to exist for the same reason any other does; because people will buy it.

3) Cammy is a character from several of the later 400 versions of Street Fighter II. Everyone says she is a lesbian for one of two reasons: 1) They are jealous of how awesome and tough she is and manages to still be attractive, and 2) Because sad video game nerds like myself like to fantasize about two attractive female video game characters having sex with each other. In Cammy's case, most likely Chun-Li. See also the above point.

4) ET went like this: there was a pit. You, ET, have to jump out of it. But were programmed to be unable to. THAT'S IT. Greed was out of control back then, and fatcats thought they could slap any pop culture symbol on an Atari cartridge and rake in several hundred pounds of money. Instead, people returned this game so hard that whoever was responsible was forced to go dig a giant hole in the middle of the desert to bury the cartridges in forever, never to be spoken of again. With his ANUS.

5) Because Konami wasn't and still isn't as awesome as Nintendo, and wanted to be the next Sega.

I'll do more if you want.

Indigo_Dingo:
Sorry, I made a typo on the fifth question.

Just a tad! In answer: It did sort of, in the ZoE2 unlockable minigame. Unfortunately they never made a full game like that which was a pity. Go message Kojima, he might be able to slip something in to that inevitable ZoE3 which he will release, or he shall die *shakes fist*

Actually, E.T. is beatable. My wife has actually beaten it. I can't manage to, but she can.
I still think it's pretty terrible. Although, Superman 64 is a close second. Watch the Broken Pixels video of the 1UP guys playing it on 1UP.com, it's funny.

dukethepcdr:
Actually, E.T. is beatable. My wife has actually beaten it. I can't manage to, but she can.
I still think it's pretty terrible. Although, Superman 64 is a close second. Watch the Broken Pixels video of the 1UP guys playing it on 1UP.com, it's funny.

yeah, I was quite nice to it in my explanation, and I didn't mean that it was impossible, it was a bit of hyperbole :P

I'd still rather play it over some other games though.

1. They did, somehow they just didn't sue each other.

2. Gamers are horny? I dunno, it was both a dirty dating sim and a lampoon of dirty dating sims by casting you as a sleazy bastard

3. Street Fighter Character. Wikipedia tells it all. Cammy is accused of being a "lesbian" constantly due to a depicted "little sister" like relationship with Chun-Li (Cammy is about 15-17) likly due to the fact both of them lost family to M. Bison (Balrog in Japan) in various itinerations.

4. You COULD actually get out of the pit, and there was more game after the pit. However, it was never explained how. To get out of the pit you had to hold down up, to lift E.T.'s neck and you would VERY SLOWLY levitate out of the pit (it took about ten minutes real time). Everyone banked on this game being a huge financial success due to hubris- millions of copies were made and millions banked on investments. The game TANKED, and the majority of the copies were literally shipped off to the midwest and dumped in a private landfill then buried. Thats not an exaggeration, this actually happened.

5. Gradius has never been a 3d starfox game, man that would be awesome. There was an homage to it in Zone of the Enders 2, featuring a minigame, and Leo Stenbucks Orbital Frame "Vic Viper" which was designed to be identical to and named after the Vic Viper from the original Gradius. It even had "options" and all of the Weapons from the game.

Indigo_Dingo:

3. Who the hell is Cammy, and why does everyone say she's a lesbian?

Google "Chun-li Cammy" to find out why. I do not think that there are any real canon references to Cammy's sexual orientation, but she has been the subject of so much "fan art" that the idea that she was a lesbian has stuck around.

HEY!!

?!

Have you bought a Sega CD yet?

Nuuuuu...

What, you waiting for NINTENDO to make one?

huhhhuhhh...

YOU HAVE SEEN THE GAMES RIGHT?

duhhhhh...

SHOW 'IM!

WAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

...

*SEGA!!!*

haha

AVGN is one of my personal heroes. AAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

hehe, the funny thing is..

he was mimicking a Sega commercial verbatim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFOYjpJjTAw

The only Sega ad I specifically remember was this black and white commercial where a kid sits down on a park bench, notices a dead squirrel at his feet, and proceeds to bash his head with it until he could see color. It was an ad showing the "superiority" of the Game Gear over the Gameboy.

Edit: Ok, it wasn't exactly as I remembered it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP04XzC-GkA

haha, that looks like Ethan Suplee

Altorin:
haha, that looks like Ethan Suplee

Maybe it is him, if not then hes got to be his younger brother/evil twin clone.

Now I'm wondering why Sony doesn't just do the same thing as Sega, with Master Chief and Kratos

This, is a Spartan.

This, is a SPAAAAARTAAAAAAAN!!!!!

Any questions?

1. Sega does what Nintendon't. Bitter rivalry?

5. The Gradius series is one of the greatest shmup of all time. It played sideways, progressing from left to right, with enemies on some stages coming in from the left. It also has a customizable power-up system that limits what weapons you have. Konami actually made a harder game from this template called Sexy Parodius. Look it up.

nowhere better to post this right now, but I've finally gotten my 1000 gamer points in Mass Effect, so now I can erect a catapault, load mass effect into the catapault, and launch it to the moon.

Re: Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards

Larry was the PC's first mainstream 18A game. It also required the user to answer some "foolproof" questions designed to weed out underage users, questions which are now so f'ing stupid to ask because a 5-year-old could get it right (like naming the fourth beetle when three are listed) or so damn dated even an adult today wouldn't know. Mind you, there was a code ("Ctrl Alt C" I believe) which would simply bypass the age verification. This meant I could play the game at will, while my father never could get it working.

E.T. was actually made in a six week time frame, from concept-manufacturing carts. It's amazing they were even able to make it playable in that amount of time (though whether it really counts as "playable" is up for debate.)

kewlrabbit:
E.T. was actually made in a six week time frame, from concept-manufacturing carts. It's amazing they were even able to make it playable in that amount of time (though whether it really counts as "playable" is up for debate.)

you mean "he"

it was basically made by one man, Howard Scott Warshaw

his other games, Yar's Revenge, and Raiders of the Lost Ark took months to complete, and he was given 5 weeks. Stephen Spielberg asked for him by name for his work on Raiders of the Lost Ark on the Atari, but given that Raiders took 7 months to make, the result wasn't nearly as complete as Raiders :P

ET was more than just a poor game. They actuallty made far more games than there were consoles to play it on. Hence, the pit.

Altorin:
Also, the game makers made MILLIONS of carts because they thought it was awesome, and most of those got buried in the dirt and set on fire. No joke.

How do you set dirt on fire?

Altorin:
commercials where a man in a Crash Bandicoot costume beats the snot out of men in Sonic and Mario costumes.

Does anyone have a link for this. Please!!!

Reaperman Wompa:

Altorin:
commercials where a man in a Crash Bandicoot costume beats the snot out of men in Sonic and Mario costumes.

Does anyone have a link for this. Please!!!

actually, I think I mixed two commercials in my memory

the original Smash Brothers commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A0DcI25QPQ

and this crash bandicoot commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTi5EaocGaY

Altorin:

Reaperman Wompa:

Altorin:
commercials where a man in a Crash Bandicoot costume beats the snot out of men in Sonic and Mario costumes.

Does anyone have a link for this. Please!!!

actually, I think I mixed two commercials in my memory

the original Smash Brothers commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A0DcI25QPQ

and this crash bandicoot commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTi5EaocGaY

I loved the Crash Bandicoot Add "You're hurting my elbow" made me giggle for some reason.

there are lots, and they're all pretty funny

I was under the impression that Leisure Suit Larry wasn't supposed to be anything other than ridiculously-over-the-top parody. The games were like King's Quest (or other Sierra puzzle/adventure games) only with a demented and awful concept.

I tried playing one when I was 13 or so, but I lacked the patience for the incredibly obscure/arcane puzzles. From what I remember, the game was actually quite tame. Certainly less than what you get exposed to just by living in a household with teenage boys.

JMeganSnow:
I was under the impression that Leisure Suit Larry wasn't supposed to be anything other than ridiculously-over-the-top parody. The games were like King's Quest (or other Sierra puzzle/adventure games) only with a demented and awful concept.

I tried playing one when I was 13 or so, but I lacked the patience for the incredibly obscure/arcane puzzles. From what I remember, the game was actually quite tame. Certainly less than what you get exposed to just by living in a household with teenage boys.

well, it was basically an adventure game, like maniac mansion, where the object of the game was to get larry laid. there's really no other way to describe it. It was an adult game through and through, although the original ones didn't have much actual T&A, the later ones were riddled with it.

and yes, they were ridiculous.

1. The Sega/Nintendo rivalry made the Sony/Microsoft banter look like a peaceful corporate merger. I remember the Sonic commercial in question. I also remember Nintendo coming back and touting how many games were available and Sega bragging about how powerful their system was (sound familiar kids). Sega scrapped their first console (Master System, which really wasn't that bad of a system) and released the 16bit Genesis in the hopes of dominating the market. Nintendo responded by making games that were just flat out more fun (before you start screaming tell me how many hours you spent playing Mario 3 compared to how many hours you spent playing Altered Beast). Then came the SNES, then the Sega 32X, then the FX chip, then the sega CD, then the sega saturn, then the n64, then the Dreamcast, then the OP started his gaming life right in the final gasps of Sega's painful death (brought about by their haphazard attempts to be on top instead of providing a quantity of games to make a system viable). It was the same story with the handheld market. Nintendo released the GameBoy, Sega released the Game Gear (50% more expensive but with backlight and color), Nintendo made a color version, Sega added a TV tuner?!?, Nintendo made theirs smaller, Sega added an adapter to play Master System games that had been discontinued a few years earlier?!?, Nintendo released the Virtual Boy, Sega somehow didn't capitalize on Nintendo's godawful mistake.

2. I remember Leisure Suit Larry being pretty outrageous. IT SHOWED BOOBS! It was a crappy game who's only selling point was that it was crass. I've still got, I think, the first 3 on 5 1/4 floppy in the basement.

3. Cammy was a lesbo in every 90's gaming geeks mind.

4. ET was just plain bad, it had nothing to do with the movie and it's graphics were crap even by then's standards. They produced more cartridges than there were systems (brass balls). I saw an interview (with who I can't recall right now) not too long ago that disputed the cartridge burial and it actually made sense. This person claimed that alot of the unsold cartridges were merely reprogrammed with newer games relabeled and shipped back out.

5. I was never a gradius fan so I can't help you on that one.

PS. The guy that hit himself in the head with the squirrel was Ethan Suplee (mallrats, my name is earl)

 
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