MrGFunk:

Sony don't advertise enough. True. However, it bugs me that Microsoft lie in advertising.
Exclusive to XBox. Only on Xbox. Exclusive to Xbox.

When this isn't the case why aren't they called on it?

Do you have a specific example where a game which was available on other platforms at the time the promotion occurred was promoted with the specific claim that it was only available on the Xbox.

Maybe it's because at it's heart the core gameplay of LBP is nothing more than a 2D platformer with sharp graphics. We've had this genre since gaming began. The whole "create your own content" was done already with Spore, and that game disappointed most of the people that played it, perhaps people are weary of this concept.

Or maybe it's because very few people own a PS3 compared to the other systems.

I dunno.

Indigo_Dingo:

I got 3 - it happened on Devil May Cry 4, it happened on Call of Duty 4, and its happening right now on Fallout 3, where they're saying exclusive to 360 and PC.

Do you have a link or scan of an advert which includes that specific claim, because all the advertising for Fallout 3 I've seen has shown all the formats.

most fallout 3 adverts were pulled because they violated the ESRB.

Silly Bethesda, always pulling the ESRB's hair.

Yeah, who'd've thought that showing a blowed up Washington DC in adverts about game set in a blowed up Washington DC would have been a bad idea...

To me, it isn't the advertising they use, it's how they do it. I watched (what I think was) an E3 conference about LBP, and for ten minutes they just hammered on about how well the PS3 was doing and selling, since all it's saying is "We're doing well, so buy our stuff and make us do even better!"

Indigo_Dingo:

GloatingSwine:

Indigo_Dingo:

I got 3 - it happened on Devil May Cry 4, it happened on Call of Duty 4, and its happening right now on Fallout 3, where they're saying exclusive to 360 and PC.

Do you have a link or scan of an advert which includes that specific claim, because all the advertising for Fallout 3 I've seen has shown all the formats.

Fallout 3 - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wN4ZDIYrJO4
The others appear to be too old, and therefore too buried to find.

ok, yeah, that's what I figured, and you're right in a way, it is very misleading and is most likely an intentional stab at sony by microsoft (I'm not willing to say there's not a 0.1% chance that it might just be a slipup, but lets not get into that, you have me for 99.9% :P).. They aren't claiming it's exclusivity.. Not all Fallout commercials are like that though.. that's actually a 360 commercial I think that is using Fallout 3 to sell systems.

Geo Da Sponge:
It does make me angry that games that are just what the PS3 needs are being left in the dust. Little Big Planet is the ultimate example for me, making me actively wish that I had a PS3. Why has this yet to revolutionise things? It seems like Sony is determined to keep MotorStorm as their most popular game.

The probably with making your system so fucking expensive was not that people would not make the initial investment, but that players who had system X or Y were discouraged from the price tag to purchase a second super expensive system.

Case in point: LBP looks like a lot of fun. Will I shell out for a PS3 for one game? Fuck no. But when a 360 is $200 now or a Wii is just as affordable, then its much easier to make the investment for one or two games that you want to play.

Nope. Poor sales of PS3 games in general are due to two main things. First, hardly anyone at all has a PS3 compared to the installed base of those who have other consoles. A lot of people still think the PS3 is too expensive, even the used ones we have and are trying to sell for $300. Second, new PS3 games are more expensive than games for other systems, so even PS3 owners buy fewer of them at a time. I work in a game store and we sell far, far more 360 and PS2 titles than we do for PS3. There aren't very many PS3 exclusives and a lot of people get the 360 versions rather than buy a PS3 to play the PS3 versions of the cross-platform games. Also, many games are still coming out in both PS3 and PS2 versions and a lot of people are opting for the PS2 versions because they are cheaper and the customer still hasn't been convinced that the improved graphics and "motion sense" of the six axis controller make the PS3 games worth the extra money. I've talked to more than one PS3 owner who says he uses his PS3 mostly for watching bluray movies and still plays most of his games on his PS2. Also the issue with only certain models (which look identical to every other model) being truly backwards compatible with PS2 games has a lot of our customers steamed. I've actually sold a number of used PS2 units to upset customers who were promised by other stores where they got their PS3 that the PS3 was backwards compatible only to find out later that it wouldn't play any of their PS2 games.

Little Big Planet looks very interesting, but I wouldn't buy a PS3 just to play it. Come to think of it, PS3 still doesn't have a "system seller" game that seems to compel people to buy a system to play the game.

All I have to say is this commercial should have been redone for the American market:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BuZ4DpTkTF0

blood77:
All I have to say is this commercial should have been redone for the American market:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BuZ4DpTkTF0

WIN!
LMAO
*Punch*

Uszi:

blood77:
All I have to say is this commercial should have been redone for the American market:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BuZ4DpTkTF0

WIN!
LMAO
*Punch*

Ahahah, that was actually pretty damn good.

Rooster Cogburn:

Richard Groovy Pants:
I'm sorry for my dumbness and probably not getting the point, but wasn't LBP marketed to death?

Where I live I couldn't go to a video game store without watching at least one commercial about LBP.

Same here. I don't recall ever seeing so many TV advertisements for a game as I've seen for LBP.

Add me to the list. TV ads, magazine ads, internet ads, everything. Maybe people just think it looks like a crap game?

Indigo_Dingo:
An Interesting article I just saw.
http://www.gamingfront.net/news.php?readmore=100
It actually does make a lot of sense. Even on multiplatform games, Microsoft will ussually be the one advertising, and will always try to say its exclusive to the 360.

Where I live, I never see any advertising for PS3 games unless it's at the point of sale where they might have Little Big Planet running on an LCD.

I do see a considerable number of minibuses covered bumper-to-bumper with Fallout 3, Gears of War 2 or the latest JRPG however, although I have no idea how the two consoles - or their games - are selling here.

AuntyEthel:

Add me to the list. TV ads, magazine ads, internet ads, everything. Maybe people just think it looks like a crap game?

Yeah. It just looks to me like any other generic 2D platformer. Go to miniclip.com if you want one of those.

Maybe that is why a lot of the ads don't seem to show a lot of gameplay.

Indigo_Dingo:

Fallout 3 - http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=wN4ZDIYrJO4
The others appear to be too old, and therefore too buried to find.

So, you admit that you were lying about there being claims of exclusivity made. At no point does does that claim that Fallout 3 is only on the Xbox 360.

GloatingSwine:

MrGFunk:

Sony don't advertise enough. True. However, it bugs me that Microsoft lie in advertising.
Exclusive to XBox. Only on Xbox. Exclusive to Xbox.

When this isn't the case why aren't they called on it?

Do you have a specific example where a game which was available on other platforms at the time the promotion occurred was promoted with the specific claim that it was only available on the Xbox.

Thee night before last I saw a Fallout 3 commercial on a danish channel, and while they did not say "Only on Xbox 360" they said "On Xbox 360". I watced the commercial knowing that my own copy of the game for PS3 was in the mail. Had I not know that it was multi platform I sure as hell wouldnt know it from this commercial. They refrained from saying out right, but hey might as well have.
Anyways, who cares. The game arrived today!

Decoy Doctorpus:
All of the fancy co-op options in the world doesn't change the fact the core gameplay is very much 'standard'. Also 'marksman=battle rifle' it even has the same fucking recoil.

Also there's an abundance of badly designed 'spaceship levels' which in my book are the new 'sewer levels'

Abundance? One level is an abundance? Jesus, Look at halo 3. There were 1..2...3.. and more.

dukethepcdr:
Nope. Poor sales of PS3 games in general are due to two main things. First, hardly anyone at all has a PS3 compared to the installed base of those who have other consoles. A lot of people still think the PS3 is too expensive, even the used ones we have and are trying to sell for $300. Second, new PS3 games are more expensive than games for other systems, so even PS3 owners buy fewer of them at a time. I work in a game store and we sell far, far more 360 and PS2 titles than we do for PS3. There aren't very many PS3 exclusives and a lot of people get the 360 versions rather than buy a PS3 to play the PS3 versions of the cross-platform games. Also, many games are still coming out in both PS3 and PS2 versions and a lot of people are opting for the PS2 versions because they are cheaper and the customer still hasn't been convinced that the improved graphics and "motion sense" of the six axis controller make the PS3 games worth the extra money. I've talked to more than one PS3 owner who says he uses his PS3 mostly for watching bluray movies and still plays most of his games on his PS2. Also the issue with only certain models (which look identical to every other model) being truly backwards compatible with PS2 games has a lot of our customers steamed. I've actually sold a number of used PS2 units to upset customers who were promised by other stores where they got their PS3 that the PS3 was backwards compatible only to find out later that it wouldn't play any of their PS2 games.

Little Big Planet looks very interesting, but I wouldn't buy a PS3 just to play it. Come to think of it, PS3 still doesn't have a "system seller" game that seems to compel people to buy a system to play the game.

The ps3 verison costs more? Seriously Wah? Every game I have seen in a store at launch on the ps3 is 60$ just like the 360 version.

Not to mention companys save money by not having to do extensive compression of data. Fuck, They could leave a porns addict porn on the disc plus the game without any compression and it would still work..

Marketing is not as big a deal as the problem of there are a DOZEN other games to play.

The 360 is 200$ yes. The ps3 is 400$. For anyone who spends more then two years playing online the ps3 wins in price. Hell without online the ps3 still wins.. the 100$ blu-ray drive. And it has Nearly 2x the processing power of the 360.

squid5580:
I disagree with the article. Seeing a GOW 2 commercial during every commercial break did not make me want it more or less. Same with Fallout 3. Same with Spiderman WOS. Same with a big mac or Subway. The fact that there wasn't the huge traditional ad campaign didn't hurt Sony or improve MS. If a person is interested in any game they will buy them. How? by going to a store or using an online store. Either of wich will have big ads and boxes of said games for the consumer to see. If they are interested in LBP and have the money they will buy it regardless of how many TV spots and billboards they see. I find the article a bit insulting personally.

I know why you are thinking that, but really, take a course on Marketing, and you will understand why you are completely and totally wrong.

Where is the proof LBP isn't selling? No one has anwered this question but so many here seem to be taking it as gospel that it is indeed not selling well. This is like the premise that MGS 4 was selling like crap because of some price drops on the game, come to find out it has done something like four million in sales to date.

shadow skill:
Where is the proof LBP isn't selling? No one has anwered this question but so many here seem to be taking it as gospel that it is indeed not selling well. This is like the premise that MGS 4 was sellin like crap because of some price drops on the game, come to find out it has done something like four million in sales to date.

Not to mention the game is very niche, It does not have large broad appeal .. Hmm..

Bulletinmybrain:

shadow skill:
Where is the proof LBP isn't selling? No one has anwered this question but so many here seem to be taking it as gospel that it is indeed not selling well. This is like the premise that MGS 4 was sellin like crap because of some price drops on the game, come to find out it has done something like four million in sales to date.

Not to mention the game is very niche, It does not have large broad appeal .. Hmm..

I suspect that it will sell better as some of these other games cool down. I also think the UK bundle will do nicely the bundles they have for it in Japan have been doing nicely.

stiver:

squid5580:
I disagree with the article. Seeing a GOW 2 commercial during every commercial break did not make me want it more or less. Same with Fallout 3. Same with Spiderman WOS. Same with a big mac or Subway. The fact that there wasn't the huge traditional ad campaign didn't hurt Sony or improve MS. If a person is interested in any game they will buy them. How? by going to a store or using an online store. Either of wich will have big ads and boxes of said games for the consumer to see. If they are interested in LBP and have the money they will buy it regardless of how many TV spots and billboards they see. I find the article a bit insulting personally.

I know why you are thinking that, but really, take a course on Marketing, and you will understand why you are completely and totally wrong.

Why so they can tell me all ppl are a bunch of mindless sheep who can be convinced to do anything by showing them shiny baubles? Or is it that they can break anyone by constant repetition?

Is Sony's marketting to blame for poor sales of LittleBigPlanet and Resistance 2?

Marketing? These games were marketed? I must have blinked.

It does seem strange. Here in the UK any game advertised is usually closely followed by a quick XBOX sell. The only ad for a PS3 game on the TV is for some half assed Wresstling game, like that would need a push. SONY do seem to be advertising in magazines and some billboards but they do seem to be hiding away while XBOX snatches away the focus regardless of exclusivity.

Bulletinmybrain:

Decoy Doctorpus:
All of the fancy co-op options in the world doesn't change the fact the core gameplay is very much 'standard'. Also 'marksman=battle rifle' it even has the same fucking recoil.

Also there's an abundance of badly designed 'spaceship levels' which in my book are the new 'sewer levels'

Abundance? One level is an abundance? Jesus, Look at halo 3. There were 1..2...3.. and more.

Yep and I'll quite happily rag on Halo's level design if you want. Too many levels in resistance ended with me inside either a generic alien spaceship or a generic alien tower.

Also, bullet. You're getting repetitive. I've heard you spout the same shit in at least five topics now. Give it a fucking rest. Yes, we all know the PS3 has a Blu Ray player, yes, we all like Blu Ray, we've also all discussed how the drive's shitty read speads actually damages the console as a whole. We've discussed it all at fucking length.

Here's an idea. Sony didn't advertise LBP because Sony's marketing department is ran by people who have no idea what sells. Judging by their previous efforts, including terrifying ps3 ads, a ps2 ad by Chris Cunningham and a wonderful semi-racist psp advert they'd probably advertise LBP by having a fucking digitally altered monsterous sackboy errupt from someone's tv screen and scream at them for twenty minutes while Aphex Twin plays in the background.