Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
Wow! You make it sound like you are speaking for all of America, you opinionated buffoon!
Man... Please don't judge all Americans based on this idiot. Some people take the free speech thing to their head and get carried away.
Well that depends on what you mean by 'complete'. If we're talking finishing a game to the point you see some kind of ending, a game would have to have some kind of big flaw or be too tedious with no incentive to continue for me to not finish it.
In my case for example I personally think the original Rayman was too hard for kids and too tedious for adults but that's my personal opinion. Another good example is kid chameleon, what they don't tell you is that the order of levels is a maze in itself not just the levels themselves, so you could be plowing through a bunch of levels you don't even need to be doing or god forbid at times even going in circles! Another infamous example is the original ninja gaiden, sure you have infinite continues, but you reach a point in the game where you HAVE TO hold onto powerups for dear life to have a hope in hell to beat the boss, which begins to border near impossible once you have died and lost everything you were carrying. It's things like this that just make you start asking yourself "why am I still playing this?"
But if by complete a game however you mean 100% finished that's a whole different story. There are some games that are masterfully constructed on the main story, but become more like religious devotion when you try to get into the 100% territory.
Best example I can think of but is not exactly a perfect game is the dynasty warriors series, to unlock everything in those games you have to make sure the battles happen pretty much exactly how they do in the novel the games are based on. Typically most games arn't as extreme as that, but what they generally ask out of the player usually is little or no margin for error when playing at all. Now unless they find a way to make it all seem less serious that's not exactly the definition of fun, which is one of the main purposes of videogames is it not? If a game fails at that surely that has to be one of the biggest turnoffs for a player.
Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
Wow you need to take a shower because I can smell your elitist biggotry all the way from here, the only thing I'll agree on is 'soccer' is overrated especially the england soccer team, but 'football' is better? I think you'll find most of the world disagrees with you, your opinion isn't more valid automatically just because you're from the USA, and don't bring politics into a discussion like a fag which has nothing to do with it beyond your ego, it's a flamewar waiting to happen.
Rogue 09: Oh, and by the way... there is only one football... AMERICAN FOOTBALL.
Stop trying to make a distinction... you can call yours soccar. Sorry, but boring sports have to make concessions to the sports that can actually hold the interest of people who arn't trying to forget that they're starving...
American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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I'm with you on that one. American Football is just a pansie version of rugby.
I forgot to throw one up. Two Worlds. Is there a more terrible game... ever? I really, REALLY tried hard to complete that game. But dialouge, graphics, game mechanics, and an inability to figure out where the hell I was going made it inevitable that I tie it to a brick of cement and throw it off of the nearest bridge...
Usually I give up a game if its just too long, too much of a slogg. Games now a days are given a lot of bad press for being too short, but a lot of the longer games I've played just out stay their welcome.
One exception to this was Half-Life 2. It started off as nothing special, got really good once you got the gravity gun, then turned into a slogg near the end. I carried on playing because I was told it was the best FPS ever and was determinded to like. In the end I did...sort of. But I only started loving it when I played the episodes, especially 2. Now I can't wait for the next one.
I don't see how American football can be called football when they spend the majority of the game with the ball in their hands. It's false advertising.
As for not finishing games, if the story and world doesn't drag me in (if the game lacks immersion) I probably won't bother seeing it to it's conclusion.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
Wow! You make it sound like you are speaking for all of America, you opinionated buffoon!
Man... Please don't judge all Americans based on this idiot. Some people take the free speech thing to their head and get carried away.
I'll judge every American after that guy from now on. Therefore no person from the United States of America will ever disappoint me again.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
Wow! You make it sound like you are speaking for all of America, you opinionated buffoon!
Man... Please don't judge all Americans based on this idiot. Some people take the free speech thing to their head and get carried away.
I've been to America four times and everyone I spoke to there was very friendly. The only times I've had bad experiences with American people is on internet forums.
scnj: I don't see how American football can be called football when they spend the majority of the game with the ball in their hands. It's false advertising.
As for not finishing games, if the story and world doesn't drag me in (if the game lacks immersion) I probably won't bother seeing it to it's conclusion.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
Wow! You make it sound like you are speaking for all of America, you opinionated buffoon!
Man... Please don't judge all Americans based on this idiot. Some people take the free speech thing to their head and get carried away.
I've been to America four times and everyone I spoke to there was very friendly. The only times I've had bad experiences with American people is on internet forums.
Maybe all Americans have some little angry man inside of them that only lashes out on internet forums... I hope I can keep mine contained.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Ours is better, because WE are better.
Hmmm Hitler had a similar motto...I wonder what happened to him... Oh right he's staying in the deepest parts of Hell now.
Oh got another one. Bioshock. There was this bug where you reached the safe part and the safe didn't had anything inside it, the result was the lack of a key that was necessary to complete the campaign. In my defense there was no way to go around it :P
Yes, and Hitler and I will most likely have pillow fights and practice kissing with one another in the fiery depths because I support a Pro-American agenda on an internet forum.
It's like the heavy weapons guy just has to be the dumb guy, or the sniper the tough silent bastard. Mix it up a little for gods sake...
There's psychology behind weapon specialization. Heavy weapons are appealing to dumb guys who like loud noises and explosions, sniping is appealing to introverted tough guys. Why mix it up when it would just make it wrong?
I never finished Devil May Cry 4. My inability to master a certain attack for Sanctus was my downfall. I kept trying though, till my thumb died. I don't think my index finger will ever forgive me.
I have yet to finish Psychonauts. Two works: Meat Circus. I will go back though; it's too good a game to give up completely on.
I also never finish Sphinx and the Mummy's Curse. Cute game, but just not a super engaging main character. Playing as the Mummy was fun though.
I'll play a game forever if I feel I have a chance to beat it. Nightmare 3 in DMC1 is the most insane battle, but I always felt if I just paid closer attention, were a little more evasive, etc., I could win. I tend to think about giving up when I feel I'm fighting the Game, rather than the enemy onscreen. Bad camera angles, off-screen attacks you can't defend . . . these things make you feel you can't win.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
I think all three are great, and Britain is pretty damn awesome, and this is coming from and American, but of course i did live in Europe for some time.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
*jaw drops*
Anyway i normally dont finish games if i have another game that begs for my attention a little bit more, doesnt have to mean that its better though - took me ages to get through the rest of the orange box despite that being a collection of some of the finest games i own.
With regards to the "sports" debate, all I'll say is that I got the "slayer of trollkin" badge in Too Human.
With regards to why I leave a game unfinished, the simple answer is "when it stops being fun". More precisely, when the mechanical act of playing the game ceases to be rewarding (either because the act itself is tedious or because the game doesn't offer enough in the way of a sense of achievement in return for the effort expended) or when the rewards stop being enjoyable.
The first condition is why I gave up on Dead Rising; level grinding by repeating the first few acts over-and-over so that I could become powerful enough to continue the story became too tedious, and the "let's change the interface for every different act" control scheme made the effort I needed to invest in the game too high given that the reward was to have to quit and do it all over again to grind for XPs.
The second condition is why I gave up on single player Dawn of War: Winter Assault; the campaign wasn't terribly enjoyable in its own sake, because as soon as I felt I was making progress with the Guard the game would force me to change to the Eldar and vice versa, and the voice acting in the cutscenes was dreadful enough that they weren't enough to pull me through.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
Something tells me you aren't going to last long on this forum...
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
I admit I lol'd. It'd hard to believe that someone made it past their teen years holding such a blind view of the world.
Richard Groovy Pants: American football was created after the original football, so why are you trying to make yours the "official" football? And it's soccer. Also American football is a cheap rip-off of Rugby. See? I can make snarky remarks about your sports too.
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Soccer has to make way for better sports, like the Brits had to make way for their superior: America. It does nothing but hurt you when you try to get in the way of progress. Soccer is kicking a round ball around for a long time... there is nothing compelling about it and is the sport that needs the least equipment and has the fewest rules, and it is therefor easy for poorer countries to participate.
Yes, Football has an ancestrial connection to rugby, but it's like comparing old black and white tv's with today's High Def TVs. Ours is better, because WE are better. I know it's not polite to say, and I certainly respect your right to play such games and throw rocks at each other and all that good fun, but maybe when you've discovered fire you can figure out how to play a game that takes physical skill and a mental capacity greater than a pickle.
mhh ok so if Americans are so much better than the rest of us how come only 17 percent of 18 to 24 year olds, in America, can place afganistan on the world map, and 11 percent could not place the United States(thats a National Geographic survey by the way http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/05/0502_060502_geography.html)^^. As for American football or football well football is played with the foot so it should be called football no ? oO so why cant american football find a diffrent name (if one had to go), rugby did.
As for games well i normaly finish them exept when I get so bored I cant bear it anylonger. Or when RTS games only unlock things one by one, thats fustrating, for me at least.
Ok now that I've finished laughing at the American superiority claim, back to the matter at hand.
I tend to give up on games when the storyline ceases to engage me, or when everyone else I know is playing it and getting further than I am and then telling me all about it. I don't tend to give up due to difficulty or grind boredom, unless it is so bad that I've forgotten what the story was all about (FFXII I'm looking at you).
In Rugby, when we get hit THE GAME CONTINUES. We do not have the need to stop the game every 5 seconds so that our overly testoterone laden 'men' can sit down and rest within their huge armour of shoulderpads and helmets.
On Topic: I guess a boss where it is seemingly random how to do damage and attack them. The swamp monster on Painkiller springs to mind, I know that you're supposed to shoot the gas bubbles when he is underneath them but there just doesn't seem to be enough time.
GTA IV - It's too boring and I don't care about the character's at all. This living breathing world is just full of the same pop-up character's with no soul whose only function is to use the Euphoria engine when you hit them with your car.
Oblivion - Soooooo boring, every town wants you to take out an Oblivion gate before they'll help you, the Oblivion Gates are the worst bits. So many gems like the paranoid elf, the raining dogs and the nekkid tribe but they're were all hidden by the amount of crap the game threw at you.
Star Wars Force Unleashed - Borrowed it, just got too enthralled in Gears of War and vigilante 8 demo.
Wii Games I haven't completed:
Zelda Twilight Princess - Again so boring, just two generation old gameplay with last gen graphics.
Raving Rabbids - What's the point, there's nothing to gain, I like it but Rayman is a crap character.
I stoped playing Assassains creed because I wasn't killing the marks stealthy enough. I will probably come back to it one day, but I will start it over from the beginning.
Rogue 09: Yes, and Hitler and I will most likely have pillow fights and practice kissing with one another in the fiery depths because I support a Pro-American agenda on an internet forum.
1- It gets to be painful/pointless/repetitive. A good example of this would be F.E.A.R., I found blasting through endless hordes of identi-goons to be absolute agony (in fact, the only thing that kept me going as long as I did was the promise of horror related enemies at some point down the line, I was in mission 10/11 being shot at by a battalion of henchmen with thunder rifles...needless to say, I was pissed at this and now use the disc as a drink mat).
2- Intense difficulty. Ninja Gaiden II would be a good example of this, I am still to complete this game (even on easy difficulty). I understand that developers want to make their games challanging so that players will have a more memorable experience but there is a certain point where you've got to draw the line and give the player a chance.
3- Over-emphasised stories. Many games have this problem, Half Life, Lost Planet, Gears of War and Halo are just a few examples that come to mind. Take Half Life for example, you'll be going through an abandoned warehouse/railway station/generic building and then you'll suddenly bump into a 5 minute long, unskippable dialogue that fufils no purpose other than to tell you where to go next (which could easily be summerised in 3 words), seeing as this was a shooting game I was expecting non-stop action with the occasional (skippable) cut scene. If HL was an RPG or RTS then I would have not only exoected a greater emphasis on story, I would have welcomed it.
Also, having story lines which extend beond killing anything that doesn't give you galactic sexual favors under the pretense of 'saving humanity from imminent destruction' would be nice.
Generally the primary reason is they suck or i hit "that part". you know, that part that is absoluetly unplayable or controller bitingly frustrating (button mashers). Things that keep me playing are incredable plot (Indigo Prophecy) fun gameplay (painkiller) enjoyable violence (postal 2) or fascinating characters (Halflife).
I've officially given up on A Link to the Past because: The story never gripped me, the gameplay didn't grip me, it's too damn hard, and it's gone on too long.
Same thing with Half-Life 2, except for the gameplay bit.
I can also give up on a game if it keeps crashing.
Wow! You make it sound like you are speaking for all of America, you opinionated buffoon!
Man... Please don't judge all Americans based on this idiot. Some people take the free speech thing to their head and get carried away.