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Gone Gonzo Posts: 4072 Joined: 15 Aug 2008 | |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 547 Joined: 8 Nov 2008 | I go to Gamerankings to find the general score of the game, and I usually go to IGN. And Yahtzee isnt a very trustworthy journalist. He likes to rip apart games for any tiny detail, and they arent exactly the greatest reviews, but they are hilarious. But really, its better if you play the game yourself, and rate it, instead of letting other people's opinions control you. |
Beat Writer Posts: 186 Joined: 22 Oct 2008 | I think the reason the majority of the people defending Yahtzee's trustworthiness are doing so is because while he may be biased, he's at least open about it. We generally have a pretty good idea going in of whether he's going to like a game or not based on the genre and content. He also has high standards, so people know that when he says a game is good, it's probably pretty damn good. I have found that nearly all of his reviews point out the flaws quite well, and as he's said, he's a critic, it's his job to criticize. Despite all the shit he rakes up, he actually has liked a lot of the games he's reviewed. Obviously he makes a lot of use of hyperbole, but that's part of what makes it funny; I just make sure to take the criticisms with a cup of salt, as they probably aren't as annoying as he makes them out to be. I also tend to put a lot more stock in story than he does, regardless of how cliche it is, so I know that "too much story" for him is often "cool, lots of story" for me. Anyway, to answer the original topic, the reviewer I trust the most is myself playing the demo. Yahtzee hated Burnout: Paradise, but after playing the demo I found the visceral crashes to much to pass up, and after buying it found that I really enjoyed exploring and learning the ins and outs of Paradise City. After playing the Tomb Raider: Underworld demo, I think that's on my list too, at least to rent. Long story short: there's a demo for nearly every game nowadays, and it's usually a good indicator. Other than that, I've come to trust GameTrailers, for a few reasons: |
Beat Writer Posts: 145 Joined: 16 Aug 2008 | A couple of people have mentioned metacritic and gamerankings as trustworthy but I often find them way off base (for example the LoZ: OoT score). If the majority of game reviews are biased puff pieces then the aggregate scores are clearly going to reflect this. Also I tend to distrust 'group think'. This blog doesn't do reviews but it's excellent for critical analysis. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3448 Joined: 8 May 2008 | Victor Lucas (EP,Reivews on the Run, and good ole Judgment Day) is trustworthy (unless Greedy Productions (his company) then the score balloons like it did in the Turok review). |
On the Record Posts: 7391 Joined: 23 Dec 2007 |
Harsh but true. There are more lighthearted adjectives. |
Master Archivist Posts: 9596 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
I'd intended to go with "moron" or "bloody idiot" at first, "fool" was polite by those standards. |
BANNED Posts: 6237 Joined: 10 Aug 2008 |
None, including Yahtzee. Now wait before torching me alive and piercing me with pitchforks, escapist readers... He is an amuzing guy who makes funny reviews and actually makes some good points... But it doesn't mean that you will not like the games he thrashed (Like, almost each one of them? haha) You can't trust Gaming Journalists... Use extreme criticism towards them at all times. User was banned for: We need to cull the internet. (Permanent) |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 772 Joined: 25 Jun 2008 | None, including Yatzee Yatzee is well intentioned but seems to put on too much of an 'indie reviewer' hat and as such ends up taking the exact opposite position to whatever game hes reviewing. He rips it apart and sometimes reticules those who enjoy it a bit much simply for the sake of giving a 'real review'. At least thats how it seems. He is honest, just not as objective as he used to be. Anyone on TV should be out right away. They are all either getting paid off by big companies, working for people who are, relishing the status as some sort of minor gaming celeb or just repeating things others have typed up, never having touched the game. Usually these generalizations extend out to magazine reviewers as well, save the latter. After all it makes no sense to hire a writer who does not play the game themselves since odds are good most fan will never see that person live. Dan Hsu is obviously someone you can trust as much as you can trust anyone. He has Journalistic integrity. Some of the others who have served with him on EGM are pretty good too, though trusting any of them fully is foolish. James Rolfe is one guy who seems to have a passion for what he makes, and who reviews things that I doubt game companies care about much anymore. Bashing Simons quest isn't going to step on anyones toes. He just wants to make a good product. But you really should only trust one review, Your own. Games are intended to be fun. If you want to know what games are good then read a few reviews, take it objectively, look at games you like, rent if possible, then just go for it. You are the only one who knows what you find fun after all. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 |
You liked Super Smash Bros Brawl, didn't you? |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 894 Joined: 13 Oct 2007 | I go to metacritic. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3127 Joined: 20 Jul 2008 | Trust no one, walk softly and carry a big gun. IGN and Gamespot are the only good reviewers for me as Gamespy is 90% ads. Game trailers are also good because most if not all of their reviews are in video form so you can actually see the game play and what the reviewer is talking about. |
Master Archivist Posts: 9596 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
When he did both the review and Mailbag Showdown I hadn't even played the game because it hadn't come out in the EU. My posts in this thread have already displayed how I feel about Yahtzee and critics on the whole in regards to professional reliability. How much I agree with them and like them are entirely separate matters in my eyes. The fact that you think I dislike Yahtzee because he insulted a game I like shows that you have an extremely flimsy view of the world, not everyone is that petty. Some of us recognise that, shockingly, not everyone will think the same thing and that just because we disagree doesn't mean we have to hate each other. |
Paperboy Posts: 16 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 |
Your response shows you left your sense of humour in your other jacket :P |
Master Archivist Posts: 9596 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
I'm not wearing clothes at the moment, so quite likely. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 736 Joined: 5 Jul 2008 |
For one thing, that's hot. Another thing, is that I found the game GunZ to be fun. I've even reviewed it, and tried to get some people to try it out. I thought it was unique, and worth dipping into for a bit. People disagreed with me NOT because they found my points to be invalid, but they weighed in their judgements that the community and the terrible weapon balancing were too horrible to ignore. I doubt that each specific topic that I covered was ever proven false. It's because facts are always true and trustworthy! Facts are always, forever true. Criticism is bashing facts; therefore, whatever review pumps out the most negative criticism, and brings up the most of the bad points is likely to be the most reliable. (Not infallibly so) Unless they're That's why I love Yahtzee, that sexy beast. |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 868 Joined: 9 May 2008 | How about Sean Elliot from EGM? His "Rest of the Crap" reviews are hilarious. He can be counted on to give funny reviews of crappy games in every issue. As far as buying games based on reviews go, I always read reviews from at least three or four different, unrelated magazines and/or web sites before I make a decision based on reviews. If I can rent the game from Blockbuster or Gamefly first, even better. |
On the Record Posts: 5044 Joined: 23 Apr 2008 |
Pyschonauts and possibly Assasins creed too |
Honorable Mention: Escapist Film Festival Posts: 78 Joined: 1 Feb 2008 | The fellas at Penny Arcade take a very pricipled stance on reviews. They often give out stinks about whatever "incentives" they get offered to give a good review, or tell the readers that they've got something for free. So, even if they are unintentionally biased, they still make sure they're fairly transparent. |
Infamous Scribbler Posts: 603 Joined: 18 Nov 2008 | Edge magazine used to be fairly impartial, but nowadays it's only yahtzee that seems to be honest. |
Beat Writer Posts: 199 Joined: 6 Apr 2008 | I also agree with everyone who's mentioned Penny Arcade. They tend to review (or at least mention their thoughts on) most big releases. Both of them give valid arguments in all their views. I've also bought every game on Greenhouse, and they're all great. Just more good things to say about Gabe and Tycho. |
Anonymous Source Posts: 8 Joined: 21 Nov 2008 | Everyone is biased. But Yahtzee is the least biased. Don't be mad because he shoved a game that you like flaws in your face, which you chose to over look because over all you liked it. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1282 Joined: 13 Nov 2007 | The sad thing is, ever since Yahtzee became so popular, even the FREE, amateur critics can't be trusted, because most of them are now trying to get hired by some website just like Yahtzee was, and they're willing to say a lot of crap in order to get attention. However, there are a few good ones still out there. I recommend Game OverThinker for a refreshing change. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 4797 Joined: 15 Jun 2008 |
lol, thats just PS3 fanboy talk, they did a very fair review (Gametrailers) of Resistance 2, gave it 9.1, and someone on this site made a thread complaining it was biased and that it should have got a higher score....they are the biggest sites for a reason. |
Master Archivist Posts: 9596 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
*facepalm* |
BANNED Posts: 953 Joined: 26 Apr 2008 |
So do I trust you or do I trust Yahtzee who says in the beginning that he got an import copy of the game thanks to the charity of GAME TRAIDERS ROBINA? User was banned for: Pro-copyright proponents press propaganda on classrooms. (Permanent) |
BANNED Posts: 3535 Joined: 11 Oct 2008 |
You're right, they are the "biggest" site, but not for fairness as you'd like to think.
I have a better idea, why don't you trust yourself? User was banned for: FUN FORUM GAME THX FO PLAYIN :3. (Permanent) |
Master Archivist Posts: 9596 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
You trust neither of us. Yahtzee hated SSBB, I quite enjoyed it when it finally came out about 3-4 months after the US release. Whatever Yahtzee and I thought (putting myself next to him in the same sentence seems terribly strange), it probably didn't have a great impact on your game experience on the whole. So why should it matter? |
Senior Editor Posts: 2807 Joined: 9 Jan 2007 |
So a game has to have multiplayer in order to be worthwhile? |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3010 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 | yahtzee HAS influenced how i think about the games I play, and has encouraged me to look at different things. I've always had this burning feeling as I play games-- especially console games but also on the PC-- that games just aren't fun anymore; at least, not like they used to be. My favorite games are the simple 16 and 8 bitters. On the other hand, I still play, and enjoy, several games he has trashed. It never made me like the game less, it did take away my complex of considering any game to be the best game ever (which all sane people agree is super metroid AMIRITE?) |
BANNED Posts: 953 Joined: 26 Apr 2008 |
Well, because, you know, you've been just throwing around baseless hatred and wild-eyed accusations, and you seem to be having a lot of fun doing it. I just figured maybe pointing it out would give you a second target to fling at, and maybe that'd let you have even more fun. User was banned for: Pro-copyright proponents press propaganda on classrooms. (Permanent) |
Master Archivist Posts: 9596 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
I've not made a single accusation against Yahtzee's character, if I have I fear I may have misspoken. All I've done is highlight possibilities. Personally I don't think Yahtzee would take bribes from game companies to change his critique of a game, I don't think he's that kind of guy , but nevertheless the possibility remains despite what I think and I have the good sense to look past my personal view to other things. The only thing I've said of Yahtzee is that he's human and he's as trustworthy as every other reviewer out there. Take that as you will, but he's no more or less than that. Well, okay, he is admittedly funnier than most other reviewers I'll give you that, but nevertheless the serious point remains that the possibility will always exist and that will never go away. I don't hate Yahtzee, I think he's probably a pretty cool guy and should I ever meet him (not likely) I'd hope that we'd get along despite his supposéd hatred of the human race. Again, all I've done is call into question people's own bias to hold him as infallible and highlight that he's as human as the rest of us and thus, could fall victim to greed, as well as pointing out that game companies have a good reason to try to corrupt him. |
BANNED Posts: 953 Joined: 26 Apr 2008 | Oh, crap. I see. No. One of my characteristic misreads. Never mind me. Sorry about that. User was banned for: Pro-copyright proponents press propaganda on classrooms. (Permanent) |
Master Archivist Posts: 9596 Joined: 22 Aug 2008 |
No worries, probably helped to clarify it into a shorter post rather than numerous posts over the last 3 pages anyway. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2107 Joined: 1 Jan 2008 |
Well, Max Payne had no multiplayer, and it was great. My point was, if your singleplayer is only going to be 3 hours long with nothing interesting to do besides listening to some text-to-speech voice (which admittedly had some rather funny dialogue), than you should at least have limited multiplayer. In fact, multiplayer in Portal would've actually made it quite good in my opinion, but aside from the ridiculously hard player-made levels, there's not much to do after you've beat the game. |
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Gamesradar is funny at times, with their features that is, and I trust their reviews, Gametrailers is also a semi trustworthy site.