Could work, And it could fail miserably.
Nintendo can do stuff like this but they don't want to
Why you ask?
Because it wouldnt appeal to kids that much.

Please. That would be so awesome. I'd love to see another Pokemon game like that. Not the same shit from ten years ago rehashed.

I personally don't think Nintendo or Game Freak has any interest in changing things up too drastically. But I'm definitely behind the idea of making fights less about wars of attrition and more action-oriented. Give every pokemon an equal playing field, with advantages and disadvantages and fully interactive environments, allowing the player to use it accordingly to fight effectively.

rosac:
one final thing from me, how about a legendary limiter? e.g having a 1:1 ratio of legendaries. If your friend uses one, you can have one.

I dislike the all legend parties simply because it takes more time to level and evolve a mon from the beginning, and its a little unfair using legendaries from all the games when your mate cant afford them all :(

rosac

You USE Legendaries?
There pretty much banned in competitive play.And the one time I let my opponent use his level 100 Rayquaza, I one-shotted it with Ice Beam from Buizel.

Your ot very kind to yourself are you:

1 - of your poll choices is a good idea.

1 - asks you to tweak it

and the rest are insults...

Its not a bad idea, but it might turn into a button masher.

Onmi:

rosac:
one final thing from me, how about a legendary limiter? e.g having a 1:1 ratio of legendaries. If your friend uses one, you can have one.

I dislike the all legend parties simply because it takes more time to level and evolve a mon from the beginning, and its a little unfair using legendaries from all the games when your mate cant afford them all :(

rosac

You USE Legendaries?
There pretty much banned in competitive play.And the one time I let my opponent use his level 100 Rayquaza, I one-shotted it with Ice Beam from Buizel.

I dont use them, my friend does. His parties are: latias, rayquaza, groudon,kyogre, mewtwo and moltres. nuff said?

However, i have beaten him before, with my blastoise/sneasel/tyranitar/magneton/slowbro/magmar party. :)

rosac

1. Ice Beam/ Dark Attacks.
2. Ice Beam oh GOD Ice Beam.
3. Ice Beam, Solar Beam, Surf?
4. Thunder, his own Dizzle makes it 100% hit.
5. Dark Attacks, Crunch?
6. Thunderbolt? Surf?

Your Blastoise alone can clear maybe 5 of his team? I forget if Blastoise learns Crunch. as for Kyogre? HA Magneton.

My current Party is. Floatzel, Lucario, Infernape, Tyranitar, Luxray (Love the little guy), Staraptor.

I had a Rampardos and Gastrodon, but the first died to quickly (And Tyrant quickly outstripped him) and the second was TO DAMN SLOW, even if it WAS an awesome type set.

Edit: Crowning Moment of Awesome for Professor Oak, Not only does he prove that after already being a Pokemon League Champion that he can still go round for round with ANYBODY (He won the League he was in by DEFEATING AGATHAS GHOST TYPES WITH HIS NORMAL TYPES!) but he does so by taking out Blue, the girl who had stolen his Squirtle and raised it into a Blastoise.

Not only that he defeats her with a Spearow. That's Right, a SPEAROW, Despite the fact it was Airborne, it was still a Pokemon barley better than Pidgey, and he took out a Pokemon that defined for the original generation 'Walking Tank'

And the only reason it came down to Red vs Green is because he figured he had ALREADY WON ONCE. He then hands Blue a Pokedex declaring her the third Dex Holder (sign of a trainer HE chose)

Also the Manga gave me another idea, Oak gives his trainers various titles at the end of the GSC arc.
Red is the Battler, he is the most tactile and the STRONGEST trainer among them,
Green is the Raiser, because he has the highest leveled, and the fastest growth,
Blue is the Evolver, since she has in-depth knowledge of ALL evolution and the ability to bring them out (Red didn't even know what a Moon Stone DID while blue knew she needed them for most of her party),
Yellow is the Healer, She is blessed by Viridian Forest to be able to Read Pokemon Minds and Heal them, she is a PORTABLE POKEMON CENTER,
Gold is the Hatcher, since his hatched Pokemon have the strongest abilities and they convey his will (His Pichu knew THUNDER off the bat),
Silver is the Trader, since him and Blue were raised as a Pair, he has the indepth knowledge of all Trade evolutions, experience bonus's etc.
Crystal is the Catcher, because except for legendaries she has caught one of EVERY POKEMON for Oak, Multiples even, at least up to GSC, Oak refused to tell her about Hoenn out of fear she would kill herself catching MORE.

What am I suggesting? If these titles could be earned in game, and had an effect on the gameplay, lets say you trade 50 times and become the Trader, now traded Pokemon have an even HIGHER EXP gain, or Pokemon evolved through Trade have higher stats, and you can choose to 'level up' this title or work towards a new one, winning 200 Consecutive battles without a K.O. makes you the Battler, you do more damage, your stats increase temporarily in battle.

So your title acts as a modifier, after you stop being the Trader, traded Pokemon no longer gain the super EXP bonus, after you stop being the Battler, there is no longer a Stat bonus.

I think this actually would affect how you played the game and how you fought battles.

I really want them to stop making new Pokemon. The new ones after gold/silver kinda sucked. I was a total fanboy for red/blue gold/silver, still am.

1. Ice Beam/ Dark Attacks.
2. Ice Beam oh GOD Ice Beam.
3. Ice Beam, Solar Beam, Surf?
4. Thunder, his own Dizzle makes it 100% hit.
5. Dark Attacks, Crunch?
6. Thunderbolt? Surf?

Heh. With my all eevee team I can do all of those. ;D It'd primarily be Glaceon, Jolteon and Umbreon but hey, if I can beat 6 of his with 3 of mine, what's the problem?

Amnestic:

1. Ice Beam/ Dark Attacks.
2. Ice Beam oh GOD Ice Beam.
3. Ice Beam, Solar Beam, Surf?
4. Thunder, his own Dizzle makes it 100% hit.
5. Dark Attacks, Crunch?
6. Thunderbolt? Surf?

Heh. With my all eevee team I can do all of those. ;D It'd primarily be Glaceon, Jolteon and Umbreon but hey, if I can beat 6 of his with 3 of mine, what's the problem?

All Eevee evolutions are beastly, but I follow to the Jolteon camp, (My first lvl 100)

Actually, I don't think its the case of kids not liking it, it more a case of market demographic. In Japan people of all ages love pokemon. Having lived there for a year I can testify to just how much nintendo focuses on the Japanese market over others such as the american and european market. In japan, pokemon still sells in the millions within a month or so as people there are happy with the franchise as a whole, whilst the rest of the world has grown tired, and has (mainly) moved on.

To force a change in the type of game would require perhaps a bit more input from nintendo of america and the acknowledgment of europe existing (as at the mo, its nothing more that an glorified advertising group). It would also require a massive dip in sales in japan. Which may not happen for a while as it is clear the japanese have different tastes to the majority of western gamers. FPSs tend to not be popular and the Metriod series, which is brilliant (in my view) and quite popular in the west has never really taken off in japan.

Perhaps with the wii and DS widening horizons (on the wii alone there have been a lot more 'mature'- by which i mean blood with swearing- games notably NMH,resi 4 and the upcoming dead rising and mad world) this may come about. Still I would wait a while.

More on topic, the idea of combing attacks to make special ones depending on the moves being used by the two pokemon actually sounds pretty cool. It would be a lot more feasible to do this than have environmental attacks, though in concession to this perhaps it could be certain attacks do more damage depending on the area you fight.

Another idea could be as follows. I was playing tales of simphonia and I realised that if the game were to do environmental damage and real time battles, it might be better to do it like that, with the terrain generated being random, but in keeping with the area you are fighting.

I don't think people realize how popular Pokemon still is even in the west, lots of people buy it, lots of people play it, lots of those same people criticize Pokemon saying they wont buy another, but the moment the new one comes out, they KNOW they will.

Also stop the bullshit about 'stop making new Pokemon' you may not like designs but others certainly do, take Zangoose, hell Hoenn in general, most Pokemon have blades for body parts, that area was kickass, in Kanto they had a tower for the ghosts of the dead, HOENN BUILT THEM A FRIGGING NECROPOLIS.

It also gives you something to do, I'm sorry, you think many people would buy it if you we're catching the same Pokemon?

Something they need to RE-Introduce from Gold and Silver and Crystal, is the former Area's, let me go to Hoenn, Kanto and Johto after Sinnoh, let me fight those Gym Leaders, and don't skimp out on the map. make an expansive world to explore.

Thats not a big issue.

One. Last. Thing.

I don't mind game exclusives, but I do mind EVENT Exclusives, that is just bullshit. It's totally cheap BULLSHIT.

Onmi:
1. Ice Beam/ Dark Attacks.
2. Ice Beam oh GOD Ice Beam.
3. Ice Beam, Solar Beam, Surf?
4. Thunder, his own Dizzle makes it 100% hit.
5. Dark Attacks, Crunch?
6. Thunderbolt? Surf?

Your Blastoise alone can clear maybe 5 of his team? I forget if Blastoise learns Crunch. as for Kyogre? HA Magneton.

My current Party is. Floatzel, Lucario, Infernape, Tyranitar, Luxray (Love the little guy), Staraptor.

I had a Rampardos and Gastrodon, but the first died to quickly (And Tyrant quickly outstripped him) and the second was TO DAMN SLOW, even if it WAS an awesome type set.

Edit: Crowning Moment of Awesome for Professor Oak, Not only does he prove that after already being a Pokemon League Champion that he can still go round for round with ANYBODY (He won the League he was in by DEFEATING AGATHAS GHOST TYPES WITH HIS NORMAL TYPES!) but he does so by taking out Blue, the girl who had stolen his Squirtle and raised it into a Blastoise.

Not only that he defeats her with a Spearow. That's Right, a SPEAROW, Despite the fact it was Airborne, it was still a Pokemon barley better than Pidgey, and he took out a Pokemon that defined for the original generation 'Walking Tank'

And the only reason it came down to Red vs Green is because he figured he had ALREADY WON ONCE. He then hands Blue a Pokedex declaring her the third Dex Holder (sign of a trainer HE chose)

Also the Manga gave me another idea, Oak gives his trainers various titles at the end of the GSC arc.
Red is the Battler, he is the most tactile and the STRONGEST trainer among them,
Green is the Raiser, because he has the highest leveled, and the fastest growth,
Blue is the Evolver, since she has in-depth knowledge of ALL evolution and the ability to bring them out (Red didn't even know what a Moon Stone DID while blue knew she needed them for most of her party),
Yellow is the Healer, She is blessed by Viridian Forest to be able to Read Pokemon Minds and Heal them, she is a PORTABLE POKEMON CENTER,
Gold is the Hatcher, since his hatched Pokemon have the strongest abilities and they convey his will (His Pichu knew THUNDER off the bat),
Silver is the Trader, since him and Blue were raised as a Pair, he has the indepth knowledge of all Trade evolutions, experience bonus's etc.
Crystal is the Catcher, because except for legendaries she has caught one of EVERY POKEMON for Oak, Multiples even, at least up to GSC, Oak refused to tell her about Hoenn out of fear she would kill herself catching MORE.

What am I suggesting? If these titles could be earned in game, and had an effect on the gameplay, lets say you trade 50 times and become the Trader, now traded Pokemon have an even HIGHER EXP gain, or Pokemon evolved through Trade have higher stats, and you can choose to 'level up' this title or work towards a new one, winning 200 Consecutive battles without a K.O. makes you the Battler, you do more damage, your stats increase temporarily in battle.

So your title acts as a modifier, after you stop being the Trader, traded Pokemon no longer gain the super EXP bonus, after you stop being the Battler, there is no longer a Stat bonus.

I think this actually would affect how you played the game and how you fought battles.

I DEFINATELY approve of this idea. It's well stated, and it's easy to see the use of it 8D

And gives even more strategy to it. BTW, you're being quoted in my original post now.

Onmi:
I don't think people realize how popular Pokemon still is even in the west, lots of people buy it, lots of people play it, lots of those same people criticize Pokemon saying they wont buy another, but the moment the new one comes out, they KNOW they will.

Also stop the bullshit about 'stop making new Pokemon' you may not like designs but others certainly do, take Zangoose, hell Hoenn in general, most Pokemon have blades for body parts, that area was kickass, in Kanto they had a tower for the ghosts of the dead, HOENN BUILT THEM A FRIGGING NECROPOLIS.

It also gives you something to do, I'm sorry, you think many people would buy it if you we're catching the same Pokemon?

Something they need to RE-Introduce from Gold and Silver and Crystal, is the former Area's, let me go to Hoenn, Kanto and Johto after Sinnoh, let me fight those Gym Leaders, and don't skimp out on the map. make an expansive world to explore.

Thats not a big issue.

One. Last. Thing.

I don't mind game exclusives, but I do mind EVENT Exclusives, that is just bullshit. It's totally cheap BULLSHIT.

Also agreeing with you on the Event exclusives.

Yes, I fully agree that this could be awesome. But a thing I thought on while reading this thread was that being in various environments could give certain moves that depended on it's surroundings boni/mali to the damage, meaning a Solarbeam in a desert could be a literal Archimedes Death Ray, and using Secret Power anywhere could give geological advantages, because it is mainly a move used to terraform.

polkyman was never fun and will never be fun ever

i will never ever enjoy pokemon as much as i used to unless someone finds a way to make me 8 years old again. they were so awesome back them...
pre puberty, nothing tops the feeling of 'catching them all'

the main problem with getting pokemon to be fun again lies in exceeding the speed of light. at least thats what all the sciency people i know tell me when they hear my plan.

Psh, the game died when they brought it out for the DS.
As for the series;
Bring back Misty and Tracey!
And let Eric Stuart voice Brock again! The man is amazing.
Or just let it die. It has been running for about 10 years.
:)

Or just drop the whole Anime and it's endless ENDLESS filler, and make an Anime of the Pokemon Special Manga.

and 10 years is long? try GUNDAM which is approaching it's 30 year anniversary, or Getter Robo and Mazinger Z which are both still being produced/used in media, despite being THE FIRST Super Robot/Combining Robot shows (Piloted Super Robots)

You guys don't know the MEANING of the word long.

The franchise is not dead, just cause you don't like the new region, doesn't mean others don't either. You are not the majority.

If sales figures define anything Pokemon is a LONG way from dying.

Honestly if you people don't like it and don't have anything to contribute, then don't post, you offer no way to make the games better and just whine.

In short. Don't post unless you have something good to offer. Also the Anime sucked the moment they had FILLER which was pretty early.

Omnidum:
Yes, I fully agree that this could be awesome. But a thing I thought on while reading this thread was that being in various environments could give certain moves that depended on it's surroundings boni/mali to the damage, meaning a Solarbeam in a desert could be a literal Archimedes Death Ray, and using Secret Power anywhere could give geological advantages, because it is mainly a move used to terraform.

I like this thought. Your post is ALSO being quoted in the OP.

Reminds me a little of the Manga chapter in Mt.Moon where Red has Pika attack causing a cave in on Koga and Rhydon, which fits into Environmental attacks.

Also Arionis, your OP has something about Law Enforcement, since I want to keep the Anime separate from the games (Seeing as I think the anime is shit)

I know I mention the manga A LOT but it is supposed to be a close representation to the universe, anyway in the GSC Arc Falkner is actually a cop, along with BEING a Gym Leader.

After all, your to assume Gym Leaders have multiple pokemon, and adjust their own party to how many badges you have (After all you really think that some Gym Leaders really only have a few level 10's?)

what I'm saying is keep the system of crime being a problem, but change the enforcers, make it the gym leader (not that their is much laws to break)

Remember in GSC (Games) when Lance aided you in the Rocket hideout, well what if you could switch between the two (The NPC and you) you know, work through team work puzzles sorta like what FF6 and Megaman battle network 5 did.

So lets Re-do the Rocket hideout thing except after reaching a certain barrier you can switch to Lance, using his powerful party to open the gate, and then he reaches his own obstacle and it switches back to you.

Also to add to the environment thing, anyone else confused as to how you can be walking in Team Magma's base and a grass Pokemon isn't losing health, and your not being effected either? maybe it should make a difference.

Onmi:

Also to add to the environment thing, anyone else confused as to how you can be walking in Team Magma's base and a grass Pokemon isn't losing health, and your not being effected either? maybe it should make a difference.

Fire retardant.

I completly agree that the pokemon game format needs to change. And a 3D sandbox world is better than any thing I can think of, however I don't like the idea of being the pokemon in battles. I don't know why, it just wouldn't feel right.

I'm not sure a Sandbox would work, there just seems so much to explore, I think you lose the feel of a kid adventuring in the wild (10 years old is old enough to monsters, I allways wondered what my teachers would do If I had an Onix) so you lose the feel of traveling between towns, through caves, dungeons etc.

Or maybe just due to my experience of most Sandbox games being limited to a few (Albeit expansive) cities has put me off the idea. I think a Sandbox game is better for a game with an EXPANSIVE city etc. not a game like Pokemon.

but that's just my view.

Uszi:
I still want to see a Pokemon game in real time.
Throw your ball, play as your Pokemon in the battle.

It's doable, damn't.

Uh....SSBB? Kinda put that idea into practice and you see how that went.....

Frank Lucas Jr.:

Uszi:
I still want to see a Pokemon game in real time.
Throw your ball, play as your Pokemon in the battle.

It's doable, damn't.

Uh....SSBB? Kinda put that idea into practice and you see how that went.....

94 score on metacritic overall, with only one scoring below 75. As of April 1, 2008 it's the best selling title in Canada and 7.47 million copies sold worldwide as of September 30th.

So pretty damn well I'd say.

See the only problem I see, is that system can be severely limited to.

I can predict a lot of solutions right now,
'We don't need as many Pokemon'
'We can give pre-set attacks'
'We can change genre'

And for all 3 I have a response.

For the first, isn't a massive argument about how most games DON'T give you access to all the Pokemon available, and also, it stops being a slight change and improvement, and makes a huge jump

For the second, that removes a large part of Pokemon's Competitive scene, ask around anyone who puts serious thought into their move set, even if they don't go the extra mile of EV training and IV resetting. A limited or Pre-Set move set wouldn't be beneficial

For the last, that's when I think the point is missed, we don't want to make it a Platformer, or an Action game, we don't want to change Genres. And we DON'T want to act like there is a negative annotation attached due to being an RPG.

What we should be striving for, is to improve upon a set system, to not alter it in the sense of changing what the games are about. We want to make them better RPGs not Better *Insert Genre*

Now I know nobody suggested or asked these, these are hypothetical statements I believe could be said. That I believe miss the point of improving the game all together.

To improve to me, is to build upon, Most RPG systems don't work with Pokemon due to it's uniqueness, and I believe we should keep it unique and strive to evolve it to a MORE unique system, not Cookie Cutter something else or drop it.

Understand what I'm saying? Just my thoughts.

Onmi:

For the first, isn't a massive argument about how most games DON'T give you access to all the Pokemon available, and also, it stops being a slight change and improvement, and makes a huge jump

For the second, that removes a large part of Pokemon's Competitive scene, ask around anyone who puts serious thought into their move set, even if they don't go the extra mile of EV training and IV resetting. A limited or Pre-Set move set wouldn't be beneficial

For the last, that's when I think the point is missed, we don't want to make it a Platformer, or an Action game, we don't want to change Genres. And we DON'T want to act like there is a negative annotation attached due to being an RPG.

Questions and/or suggestions of your answers:

1) Instead of restricting players with game-specific pokemon, they could be set free on all the regions in the Pokémon universe, but only on their generations region like 1st-generation to be in the Kanto region, 2nd to Johto, 3rd to Hoenn and so on. Maybe use the regions in the Pokémon Ranger and the console games for mixed wildlife. EDIT: Have the ferry make you able to go to the other places.

2) I agree on that, but maybe if you could link the moves together, attacking with an array of attacks instead of just one? Of course, it would drain more PP than the normal moves, but it could make for a new strategic front when carefully planning them.

3) You could make the Pokémon move around, dodging the attacks of the enemy, waiting for your turn to attack with your moves whilst using an emergency backup attack that does not use Power Points, but is ridiculously weak.

The thing is, each Pokedex mixes and matches Pokemon.

when you go back to Kanto from Johto in GSC you don't have to leave your old pokemon behind.

I don't see a reason why they can't ALL be implemented, except as a gigantic dick move.

See that's an improvement on the system, not a complete change, I don't mind that. In fact I believe WKC is doing something similar, It could work.

also what your suggesting here, isn't a change of Genre, but a change of battle system, I'm more concerned about people who wanna change the game to something NOT an RPG.

Onmi:

I'm more concerned about people who wanna change the game to something NOT an RPG.

Then let them have what they want. If only it's two seperate games.

Do you have any fucking idea what pokémon is all about? Jesus, make it god of war and let pikachu rip with his lightning infused tail. Oh wait, I'd buy that.

You would prefer to use Pikachu over Blaziken, Infernape, Empoleon, Lucario, or Zangoose. Right. Ok.

Glad to see the creative Juices so far are suggestions, dropping the series, and making it a God of War clone.

There's likely some big arguement going on in here, but I'm only going to say one thing; the only way I ever play Pokemon again or take interest in it after getting the latest generation on DS... is if they take it full 3D and have real-time battles.

I'm going to revel in so much pleasure if they actually do that, and it turns out to be utter crap.

The sheer irony would just make it so SWEET.

Because it wouldnt appeal to kids that much.

Uh, a 3D Pokemon game? Yeah it would.