cuddly_tomato:

SecretTacoNinja:
Oh and why are we trolls for complaining? I don't get that either.

@Op - I can't stand the achievement thingies. I hate doing a quest or soemthing and then getting that retarded pop-up super-imposed on my screen. If I could I would turn them off.

You can turn the pop-up and bleep-bloop off. I've had mine off for about two years. Check your profile settings.

I personally like achievements. They lead you to do things in games that you wouldn't usually do, and if you're ever bored, you can load up an old game and go for one.

If you don't like achievements, ignore them. I personally find them a nice carrot on a string, getting me to do things I'd never of done before, or even thought of.

I suppose Microsoft would gain quite a bit if they allowed the achievement pop-ups to be disabled (you could still get achievements, but it wouldn't pop up in the middle of the game).

Edit:

Meado:
You can turn the pop-up and bleep-bloop off. I've had mine off for about two years. Check your profile settings.

Whoops. Didn't know that. Thanks.

i would say i dont care about achevements but my 20k gamerscore kinda proves me wrong

ever thought of TROPIHES ?

Through the course of just playing a lot of games I've managed to unlock way too many achievements, it's rather embarrassing, sort of a sign hanging over my head saying "hey look at this guy! He plays games way too much!". I wish they didn't exist.

But what would be useful is achievements for courteous and helpful online behaviour.

Achievements give me something to do when I've beaten the game proper several times. Left 4 Dead's achievements are pretty interesting, and I'm working on getting more of them.

SecretTacoNinja:
I tend complete the game then think about achievements, I don't let them get in the way. If they allowed you to buy stuff on XBLA with the points you get from achievements then I would be REALLY obsessive.

Basically this. The only achievements I ever get are the ones that I just happen to get while playing through the game. I don't obsess about them because they don't do anything.

Wow this thread really went into some detail about Social etiquette ha ha.
Anyway it seems to have gotten into a rant about me hating Achievements.
So i'll give a good example.
When playing Fable 2 i immediately went to the achievement section and saw the achievement for completing the spire level etc etc.
So i raced to that part.
I just find that i'm so eager to get these scores that i actually don't care if the game is crap.
Heck, i have 980 Viva pinata GS on my tag -.- I didn't even like that game, although the pinatas were pretty cool.

I don't have a 360, but to me, if you are something of an achievement whore, then you are at least getting your money's worth every time you buy a game, that's at least the bright side to all of this.

some achievments are good but others are just plai crap. games like L4D have average acheivments and games like mass effect and fallout 3 have shit acheiements and games like halo have the worst kind of achiements they are still there so what!
if i could list the greatist acheiment games they would probably be
dead rising and crackdown. serously folks you gotta admit "body armor" anyone? and frikken "pimp" those are goddamn hilarous
but on the other hand there are games that just give you acheiments for completing quest, bethesda has this problem as does transformers and sadly most rpgs/
personaly my favority is the wacky ones but thaz just me

I don't look at achievements as something that MUST be done. One of the perks of being a casual gamer I guess. Rather, I look at achievments as something to look back on and say, "Hey, I killed 97 ninjas using just a paper shuriken and a condom? Right on!!" I look at achievments as a kind of reward for just playing a game. And it's kinda nice.

Achievements are pretty much just poor ways to brag to someone by saying "n00b i got this ahevement 5 secs b4 u did lololololol". Not saying there are some fun ones, but achievements just have no purpose really.

SecretTacoNinja:
Aaanyway, I tend complete the game then think about achievements, I don't let them get in the way. If they allowed you to buy stuff on XBLA with the points you get from achievements then I would be REALLY obsessive.

Agreed.

I look at achievments as achievments, if you have them then it is proof that you have done more than the guy next to you. E.G getting the seriously achievment is an achievment worth boasting and you can't get that without playing the game as it was intended - plus it gives a gamer pic.

I think achievements were a great idea.
There are the odd few pointless achievements (Heres looking at you, Shadowrun.)
They give some extra lifetime to a game, along with some of them requiring you to actually step up your game.

Lukeje:

needausername:
Fail.

Errm... you may want to change that before somebody reports you...

Yeah, but at the time if posting there was no text.

I believe that "achievements" in their most basic form are good for a game. I see achievements as more of unlockables or the feeling of successfully completing a specific scenario.

Take for example Super Smash Brothers Brawl, few people ever mention the alarming amount of work that has gone into the game in terms of music, customization, or even the wall of "achievements" that can be unlocked, enhancing the gaming experience.

For those who would rather label me as a fanboy for the previous statement, I offer the following counter-argument. Take for example the Half-Life series, you start with nothing, then a crobar, and work your way up to bigger weapons and tools. You "achieve" a greater ability to survive in a hostile environment. The same can be said about a lot of FPS games.

Final argument, and although I absolutely despise the game, players of World of Warcraft play the game to "achieve" the maximum level...

As for the simple text and points achievements, some I can agree with (those that are like a badge, medal, or award), but the ones that simply "mark" your progress can go away...

I used to think achievements were pretty cool, only saw them a few times on my friends 360's.

And from a dev's pov I can see the reason for putting them in, because they simply give an incentive to the user playing the game more - thereby, perhaps, making it more popular and thereby, again perhaps, selling more copies.

But now that every gameplatform makes use of it, it's kind lost its vibe. And some achievements are just down right stupid - take l4d for an example: "burn the witch" throw a molotov on a witch. Although it may seem pretty clever (and I see the name pun), in my experience people just want the achievement without any regards for their own and others safety, and they just throw a molotov on the witch as soon as they see her - normally resulting in the player getting knocked down - at expense of the team.
Though some achievements work the other way around, like for instance "hunter punter" and drag and drop, I still think some of them screw up gameplay, in this case teamplay.

just my two cents

I actually like them, but I don't actively go looking to achieve them either. I just play and let them 'flow'.

Chances are if you end up playing a certain game for a substantial amount of time you're going to pick up quite a lot anyway, especially stuff like "Kill X amount of mutant squids" etc.

I'm indifferent on the whole achievement thing really, they're utterly pointless and yet kind of satisfying to attain. You can just ignore them though, you don't have to look at all the difficult shit you have to do to get max pointage.

Games should follow CoD4's example and keep achievements out of multiplayer. I don't care what people spend their time doing in single player as long as they actually play when the match starts.

I absolutely hate achievements in multiplayer. Because the assholes who are obsessed with making a little box pop up ruin the experience. Whenever I hear a bunch of people in my game saying "lets party up and get some achievements!" I join up and annihilate them. While they're busy lining up for a 5-kill laser shot, I'm almost there in a tank.

what I normally do is ignore achievements, finish the story in the hardest difficulty(if I can) and play int online, till I get used to it..THEN I focus a bit on achievements

Sorry if this has been posted, but I didn't feel like reading the whole thread.
For all you who don't like the pop up that ruins immersion you can turn notifications off. You still get the fun of achievements but you don't have to deal with pop ups.

On topic, I love achievements they add so much gaming value to well games, look at game like Call of Duty 4 would I have strived to beat the mile high mission on veteran without the achievement... well probably because I loved that mission but having the achievements gave me some kind of reward.

Yes I achievement whore but only because it adds hours of game play to already great games such as mirror's edge that games short anough that you could be done with it in hours but with the time trial achievements you have a goal to works towards.

Achievements.. urgh.

Yay, Valve! Let's add achievements to TF2! But let's not do it for every class.. no.. just one!

And poof, everyone was suddenly a medic. New patch.. Hey! 75% of the team is a pyro! .. etc.

I think it's weird the achievements bother you so much. It's not as if you HAVE to get them in order to enjoy the game or anything. They're just a little extra. I usually play the game and complete it and when I haven't gotten all achievements yet I'll just try to get a few. There's only one game for which I got all the achievements and that's Oblivion, but that's because those achievements are easy. You just get them by playing the game, pretty much.

well achievements are a good thing but theres a bad part 2. they cover a part of your screen when you get them and then when u look at it you get killed.

I don't worry about achievements much, I only really go for the ones that involve doing something difficult rather than the grind ones.
E.g. "may i have this dance" in Mirrors Edge (involves performing a sequence of manoeuvres) rather than "Seriously" in Gears of War (10,000 kills online).

I think gamerscore makes achievements much more addictive. That's why I don't bother as much with steam achievements.

I try to get quite a few of the easier achievements, but I don't go out of my way to get them. Case in point, my Gamerscore hasn't even broke 10,000 yet and I've had my 360 since July 2006 and I have over a dozen 360 games.

However, what I HATE are the online achievements, because then you get achievement whores that throw away any sense or logic in playing the game because they want to get a certain achievement. You get the guys who TK you because you picked up a weapon that they need for a certain achievement. You get people running around like idiots because they are trying to get a different achievement. You get people who cuss you out for ten minutes for "stealing their kill" because they are trying to get the "I Have No Life, God End My Sorry Existence: Get 100,000,000 kills online" achievement.

THAT is what ruins my enjoyment of the game.

Not at all for me. Honestly they add extra life to my games. I mean i want those 10,000 multi. player kills or the 300 agility ach. just to say...yeah i did that. I honetly could care less about ach. whores either, who cares? They play games for what they want ya no?

Raven28256:
You get people who cuss you out for ten minutes for "stealing their kill" because they are trying to get the "I Have No Life, God End My Sorry Existence: Get 100,000,000 kills online" achievement.

Honestly dude, when you are going for the ton of kills ach. it is AMAZINGLY annoying when you kill gets stolen. You dont realize just how much it would bother you till your at 3/4 of the way and your stuff gets jacked.

Edit: sorry double post

mr mcshiznit:

Raven28256:
You get people who cuss you out for ten minutes for "stealing their kill" because they are trying to get the "I Have No Life, God End My Sorry Existence: Get 100,000,000 kills online" achievement.

Honestly dude, when you are going for the ton of kills ach. it is AMAZINGLY annoying when you kill gets stolen. You dont realize just how much it would bother you till your at 3/4 of the way and your stuff gets jacked.

Edit: sorry double post

The problem is, to many of these people, "kill stealing" is when someone else kills an enemy in their general area that they aren't even looking at. Frankly, "kill stealing" doesn't exist; you either get the kill or don't, and it isn't "stealing" when two people are shooting at the same enemy and the other guy's bullet is the one that kills the enemy first. It isn't "your" kill until you actually kill the enemy, and the crybabies that whine "kill stealer!" are among the most annoying on Live. They are basically just making up a retarded reason to curse and swear at someone they have never met, and likely never will.

Raven28256:

mr mcshiznit:

Raven28256:
You get people who cuss you out for ten minutes for "stealing their kill" because they are trying to get the "I Have No Life, God End My Sorry Existence: Get 100,000,000 kills online" achievement.

Honestly dude, when you are going for the ton of kills ach. it is AMAZINGLY annoying when you kill gets stolen. You dont realize just how much it would bother you till your at 3/4 of the way and your stuff gets jacked.

Edit: sorry double post

The problem is, to many of these people, "kill stealing" is when someone else kills an enemy in their general area that they aren't even looking at. Frankly, "kill stealing" doesn't exist; you either get the kill or don't, and it isn't "stealing" when two people are shooting at the same enemy and the other guy's bullet is the one that kills the enemy first. It isn't "your" kill until you actually kill the enemy, and the crybabies that whine "kill stealer!" are among the most annoying on Live. They are basically just making up a retarded reason to curse and swear at someone they have never met, and likely never will.

so when i down a guy in lets say warzone, in Gears of war, and we can both see its my down and you shoot him while hes down you didnt steal it? Your wrong, if it was yours you would get the down and if he was yours when he bleeds out it would say you killed him. Also under kill steal is when i shoot him and take off 99% of his health and you come over and breath on the guy killing him. I'm sorry but if i followed you and did that to all of your kills i strongly doubt you would be ok with it.

mr mcshiznit:

Raven28256:

mr mcshiznit:

Raven28256:
You get people who cuss you out for ten minutes for "stealing their kill" because they are trying to get the "I Have No Life, God End My Sorry Existence: Get 100,000,000 kills online" achievement.

Honestly dude, when you are going for the ton of kills ach. it is AMAZINGLY annoying when you kill gets stolen. You dont realize just how much it would bother you till your at 3/4 of the way and your stuff gets jacked.

Edit: sorry double post

The problem is, to many of these people, "kill stealing" is when someone else kills an enemy in their general area that they aren't even looking at. Frankly, "kill stealing" doesn't exist; you either get the kill or don't, and it isn't "stealing" when two people are shooting at the same enemy and the other guy's bullet is the one that kills the enemy first. It isn't "your" kill until you actually kill the enemy, and the crybabies that whine "kill stealer!" are among the most annoying on Live. They are basically just making up a retarded reason to curse and swear at someone they have never met, and likely never will.

so when i down a guy in lets say warzone, in Gears of war, and we can both see its my down and you shoot him while hes down you didnt steal it? Your wrong, if it was yours you would get the down and if he was yours when he bleeds out it would say you killed him. Also under kill steal is when i shoot him and take off 99% of his health and you come over and breath on the guy killing him. I'm sorry but if i followed you and did that to all of your kills i strongly doubt you would be ok with it.

Or, I could, you know, be completely indifferent about it because I don't care about grinding myself into a coma to get that ridiculous achievement. Or, I could do something really drastic that no one else would ever think of. I could *gasp* leave the match and find another one. Or, you know, there is also the fact that I don't even play Gears online because I don't feel like listening to the verbal diarrhea of the terrible community that populates the game. If I wanted to hear 13 year olds scream random strings of profanity and act like gigantic cunts when they don't get their way then I would become a teacher...Or get a job at Toys R Us.

If you want the kill so bad, just make sure you are the one that gets it. Don't bitch and moan at someone else for, God forbid, playing the game and killing an enemy. There is no such thing as "kill stealing;" the kill goes to the person that kills the enemy. I'm sorry, but people who bitch and moan about "kill stealing" annoy me to no end. You are basically bitching at someone for PLAYING THE GAME, and they aren't even doing something really disruptive like TKing or anything; they are killing the enemy. It is like me cussing out a guy on my team in a game of Capture the Flag because I wanted to be the one that brought the flag to the base instead of him.

I like achievements. Without them I would never be able to tell people how annoying it was putting that fracking garden gnome in the missile.