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On the Record  Posts: 5011 Joined: 28 Feb 2008     | |
Muckraker  Posts: 340 Joined: 19 Dec 2007     | For the unconditional fanboy, I feel pity. And Jobz, you are not a Final Fantasy fanboy, as per your description. You are like many others, a fan of Final Fantasy. There is a huge difference. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008    |
I know about Freud, I just like Irony! Freud, knows you want a penis!!!! :P (funny, people think this guy was smart too, maybe I can... wait a min. "runs away with a awesome idea") |
On the Record Posts: 5011 Joined: 28 Feb 2008 |
You soo don't wanna know where the lead pipe is headed to next. Anyway, back on topic. |
On the Record  Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008     |
Well said, pretty much how I think. I am a self-admited fanboy (admiting is the first step!), but I'd like to think that I'm atleast more intelligent and forgiving than other fanboys....I am, right? |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
I think a fanboy is someone who thinks so highly of an item, game, movie, etc, that he or she cant not see the flaws or will not come to truth with themselves that what they idolize is not perfect. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
The 12 steps to over coming Fanboyism 1. Admite you are a Fanboy |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2940 Joined: 22 Jun 2008  |
Aim for the head and keep ammo in the clip. Or Turn Undead. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2381 Joined: 6 Mar 2008   |
This statement is inherently flawed because it assumes that merits can be judged objectively. What are the merits of Half-Life - its level-design, its linearity, its story, its atmosphere, its AI...? I've seen people praise and criticise all of these factors in the game. Is Game X too short or does it avoid outstaying its welcome? Is Game Y too long or does it provide good value-for-money? Why does Dead Space suck so much? Until these questions can be answered definitively (i.e. never) we will continue to drift in an endless void of petty mud-slinging and unjustified allegations. Final Fantasy and Halo are the obvious victims but Atlus and Kojima are keeping the competition alive. I prefer ZOE to Halo 3 so I'm probably just adding fuel to the fire. All opinions are invalid and wrong. edit: one day I will serve breakfast, lunch and dinner to Suda 51. |
On the Record Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
Boy oh boy, I've got a long way to go. Wish me luck boys. Wish me luck. *walks off into the sunset with a pack on his back* |
On the Record  Posts: 5490 Joined: 13 Aug 2008   |
I will admit that a products individual merits are an objective subject, but what I meant was thatI define fanboys as someone that buys something because it's made by Nintendo (for instance), even if the game is "E.T. the sequel: The exact same as the first POS". A fanboy would go "Oh, Nintendo made it, it's good", and get pissed off when someone says "no, I don't like this game". |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3174 Joined: 12 Nov 2008  | Fanboys are killing gaming, I am loathe to leave this without proving it, but I just know this isn't a good idea either.... however... There is no point in making a console so much more powerful than its rival when basically it's the same machine. Yes PS3 and Xbox360 are the same machine, in the same sense that fridges are just fridges, they are both home consoles. People banging on about Blu Ray and such... so what? Hardly any developers who wish to turn a decent profit (especially in these times) are going to build a game for the Xbox360 and then spruce it up massively for the PS3. Likely they will build it on one, the lowest one, and then port that over. Sony are screwed by the limitations of their own rival, except in exclusives. But really, who is going to shell out $600 for Little Big Planet? NO game is worth that much money. Anyone mentioned this to Sony? Any Sony fans send emails asking them to produce something better? No, they will just flat out insist that everything is absolutely better and hey! Look! The graphics for Assassins Creed are better for the PS3 than the Xbox360, even though if you aren't a fanboy they are identical. Ohh but that game on both consoles is crap anyway... look at Resistance for the 17th time! The only thing the PS3 has going for it is the fact its opposition is the Xbox360. While the games for it may be great, the actual machine itself is the biggest pile of shit ever. Seriously. Retailers reported a 30% failure rate! Even if you accept the Microsoft figure of 5%, that is appauling. Any other product where 1 in 20 models were expected to die within the expected life-span would be recalled. Add to that their tendancy to chew up disks, not open the disk tray, and general noise and you have one horrible little console. Why have they done little more than extend the warranty and deny a problem? Because they have legions of fanboys all queuing up to defend them and everything they do. Why should they bother going all out and correcting problems when they are still going to get support and get customers. The cacophony of fanboys praising the Church of Xbox(TM) also helps silence those think that Microsoft should do far more to make their console actually work for a change. Odd though how fanboys "never had any problems!" Nintendo, while they make games that are great for kids, are almost hostile towards any game with maturity. No I ain't thinking Manhunt here, as I doubt "Maturity" can be applied to games like that, but stuff like Silent Hill or Forbidden Siren or even Fallout 3. Games with depth, where maturity is very much a part of the games character, are virtually absent from the Wii. This, in my opinion, has been a success story. They have not even claimed territory owned by any other platform and have thus managed to appeal to a whole new gaming demographic. The problem for them is they just such at making games not designed for folks who still need to stay in the shallow end of the pool. There isn't any reason they couldn't let 3rd party devs make more mature themed games though. What it would take is for voices telling them that, telling them the Nintendo platform could well benefit from games with a little more depth and maturity. Suggest it's for children? The fanboys will scream about Eternal Darkness, not that ED is a bit old or anything, and not that they can come up with another mature game (please don't even think of calling Resident Evil "mature"). PC games... they don't work. Even if they do work you need a super-computer to get them running. Even if you sell your soul to the entire PC upgrade-every-week cycle and subject yourself to Malwarish DRM there is no real guarantee your game is going to remain stable and run all the way to the end credits. There is every chance something will happen and screw your game up. Why do they still do it? Because legions of PC fanboys will still stubbornly refuse to admit that there is a problem and will continue to support this practice. We gamers, that is, we sane gamers, are being screwed by the actions of those folks. And you know something? The game industry is too. Xbox is unprofitable. PS3 is unprofitable. PC gaming is shrinking year on year, despite the fact that it has a massively larger installed user base than any other platform. Most people who own PCs just don't want to know about PC gaming. The Wii has been a success, in the same way as the volkswagen beetle was a success. Yeah it's nice and all but they can't really go anywhere from here with it can they? They have made it, it was nice, but now is being superseded by the others because it simply can't do anything else. Now just watch as fanboys from each of the factions come to scream at points which the rest of us know to be completely true. Remember this when we are getting the PS4 complete with Tiger Woods 2010 and MGS17, along with Xbox720, complete with Tiger Woods 2010 (exact same version) and Gears of War9, in the company of Mario Sunlight and Mario goes to Hollywood and Mariokart Funny Hat edition, all with Buggy McBugged the Legend of the Game that Would Not Install and Knights of the Pay Me Monthly weekly Mumorpiger. Fanboys are a scourge, a disease! They have to be stopped! |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Son you are on the right path, to freedom. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2112 Joined: 17 Nov 2008     | In relation to the 'console wars' fanboyism is the result of having one console while knowing that you'll never be able to play the games that come out on a competing system. The fanboy wants his 'team' to win, so 3rd party developers focus their A-title exclusives on his system of choice. This is a greedy, destructive mentality. I used to be a rabid Nintendo fanboy. I used to laugh myself silly during the PSP and XBOX advertisements - "Who could possibly want those stupid systems? Those kinds of games all suck!" I 'knew' better. But where was I when Bioshock was first released? I was still playing RedSteel on my Wii. (Okay, I wasn't. RedSteel was awful, but I bought it because I bought the Wii and it was the only FPS at launch.) The thing is, if games are art - as I now believe they are (or can be) - the platform that they are exclusive to should not determine its worth. A painting on display in the Vatican is not automatically better than another displayed in the Louvre - even if you may only visit one. If you believe that games are art - you must be brand promiscuous; To be otherwise means that you don't recognize a game's value; the fanboy is trapped into his brand. There are great games on all the systems. While I regret that I won't be able to play all of them, due to time or financial constraints, I recognize that many of the games that I won't be devoting my time to exploring may actually be good. But hey, fanboyism is a stage that many gamers go through. I used to be a fanboy and I think I turned out alright. Once these boys (and girls) finally grow up they'll realize that they appreciate the great video games, not systems that house them. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4574 Joined: 25 Feb 2008   | I am not qualified to comment on them objectively. You see, I am one... (Valve rule) |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
I feel fanboys are started because if you spend 300+ dollars on a system, you want to tell yourself, and everyone around you that you were right for spending that 300 dollars on that system. And a good way of doing that is telling other people who have other views or ideas about gaming, that they wrong, and the person who spend 300 dollar is right. |
On the Record Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
That was more of a rant on companies being stupid rather than fanboys to be honest. I get what you're saying though. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
That's a fact, your not a fanboy. Valve makes the best games. I don't know any game that have made that blows. Even if you don't like there games, there still good. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 757 Joined: 23 Nov 2008    | "Maybe if I ignore it long enough, it will go away." I think the people YOU are talking about are 'Fanatics' We're all fans here. Just...not...them. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 4637 Joined: 15 Jun 2008 | I despise fanboys - particularly those in the console "war". |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 3174 Joined: 12 Nov 2008 |
Yes, but each of those companies is behaving stupidly because they are listening to their respective fanboys. My point is the actual damage I believe fanboys are doing. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
To a point your right Fanboys are doing some damage to the gaming community, But I think the gaming community is fighting back by talking about fanboy. (case in point this thread) |
On the Record Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
Fanboys are not "destroying" the industry. Infact, I really think that the companies arn't exactly listening to them, with Nintendo completely ignoring them, Microsoft trying to grab a piece of Nintendo's pie while giving a slice or two to its fanboys, and Sony knowing perfectly well what their target audience is (DAMNIT that sounded fanboyish!) while giving some taste to Nintendo's pie. Your rant was really just about companies making stupid decisions, not about fanboys making the companies doing stupid decisions. Oh and, FYI, all my friends have bought a PS3 for one or more games ;) please don't make me go on the exclusive rant (I'd PM you if you want). |
BANNED  Posts: 3535 Joined: 11 Oct 2008  |
The only company listening to their fanboys right now is the PS3. (Not saying that the comics industry is dead, but they're not as big as they were.) User was banned for: FUN FORUM GAME THX FO PLAYIN :3. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2381 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 | The big three are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Nintendo have masterminded two of the most lucrative products the industry has ever seen and everyone hates them. Sony went for technical muscle at the expense of accessibility and everyone hates them. Microsoft went for the closet-homosexual manly demographic and everyone hates them. |
On the Record Posts: 6209 Joined: 10 Mar 2008 |
You don't need to compare a future crash to the comic crash, we already had one before. We're not going to get another crash unless we get an influx of bullshit all of a sudden fill every home console for a year or two when nobody wants to buy one again. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2112 Joined: 17 Nov 2008 |
You're right on the money.
I feel a better way is to surround yourself with like-minded people, lets say on the Nintendo Power Forums, ranting about the other camp of fanboys that tried to convert you. Mob mentality and us against them - it does wonders - especially when the fanboy camps troll each other. A whole group of fanboys clusterfudging a lone troll. Boosts comraderie and hatred - it also encourages more trolling. You can see where this leads.
Who hates Nintendo? I've never heard anyone, save for so-called 'hardcore' ex-fanboys, hating on Nintendo - other fanboys aside. They make fun games that they're trying to market to your mom, sister, girlfriend and grandparents. Who, other than fanboys, would hate them for that? Sony and Microsoft are big. Monopoly big. People hate them for the same reason they hate Wallmart: because they're successful. People HATE it when a company is successful. Everyone wants to be a rebel. You know what, nevermind what I just said about Nintendo, I take it back: There probably are people who hate Nintendo now because it's not the underdog any more. Anyway, this is just an aside, I just wanted to say that I disagree with Harhol's claim. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2583 Joined: 27 Sep 2008  | I'm not altogether sure about them. I'm a fan of MGS but I don't think I'm a fangirl (although I may joke about being one) as I accept that it's not going to be to everyone's tastes and has it's limitations. At least I think I have the distinction right there. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 68 Joined: 6 Aug 2008  | Raging Hatred. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
/agree |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2381 Joined: 6 Mar 2008 |
But which game is to everyone's taste? Which game has no limitations? This is why I think the fan/fanboy distinction is so ridiculous. Everyone likes stuff; everyone dislikes stuff. The only game which is genuinely exempt from any sort of criticism is Gitaroo Man. Everything else occupies the same space - limited and not to everyone's taste. I don't want to have to justify myself every time I post. Why do I like The Bouncer? Who knows. All I know is that I like it. And so I come back to a point I made earlier: either we are all fanboys or no-one is. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Fanboys back there arguments up with irrational ideas.... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2112 Joined: 17 Nov 2008 |
I disagree, because while one person may like the movie adaption of Fight Club and another person may feel that it failed to capture the message of the book, we don't have cinema fanboys who only watch MGM movies, and believe that all Time-Warner movies suck. I might not appreciate a painting, but that doesn't mean that I'm a Titian fanboy, and that I'll automatically hate every Rembrandt I see. That'd be ridiculous, even when dealing with video games. I think you're confusing fanboy with fan. A fan likes something, a fanboy hates everything competing with what he likes. I can like or dislike Bioshock regardless of my fondness for side scrolling Italian plumbers. |
Press Junketeer Posts: 357 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 |
Its a me Mario! |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2112 Joined: 17 Nov 2008 |
Fanboy. :P |
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Inner Fangirl and Reasoning: *stares at each other, stares at pipe*
DIE, Freud, die.
Somehow, I doubt you really understand very much about Freud, since you just attempted to apply it to a riled-up femenist.
Anyway, its not just the internet. It pops out randomly in public sometimes... ;-;
However, I think everyone has a little fan inside them.