ThrobbingEgo:

Hevoo:

ThrobbingEgo:
I can like or dislike Bioshock regardless of my fondness for side scrolling Italian plumbers.

Its a me Mario!

Fanboy. :P

I'm so not a Mario fanboy, I dont even own a Nintendo system. lolkins

Really? You've been missing out on a lot of great retro titles. I love what developers did with the technical limitations they worked under in the 8 and 16-bit eras. Some of the most memorable video game soundtracks are from the NES and SNES.

I also think Indie games are cool because I'm seeing a lot of throwbacks to some of these older games. One example is World of Goo. The stage select maps look like they're right out of Super Mario World.

I have played Mario Just haven't had a system to play it all the time. I have had Sega's and Sony's and Xbox. Now I just play PC mainly.

ThrobbingEgo:
1. We don't have cinema fanboys who only watch MGM movies, and believe that all Time-Warner movies suck.

2. I think you're confusing fanboy with fan. A fan likes something, a fanboy hates everything competing with what he likes.

1. That's a good comparison, although directors and writers can often inspire a similarly rabid following. Kurosawaaaaaa

2. Earlier in the thread I suggested that traditional fanboyism has been turned on its head. Rather than being a fanboy for disliking something, modern fanboys are so-called for being fond of a particular machine or franchise. Thus you have Halo "fanboys", Mario "fanboys", Kojima "fanboys" and Final Fantasy "fanboys".

Try starting a thread with the title "Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game ever" and prepare to be trolled, regardless of how many games you've played or how many systems you own. You will inevitably be called a "fanboy" for liking the game. On the other hand, if you were to start a thread with the title "Metal Gear Solid 4 sucks" I doubt you'd face too many allegations of MS/Nintendo fanboyism. You might even be hailed as a hero for putting the fanboys in their place.

The culture of anti-fanboyism has changed. Everything sucks now and we'll be damned if anyone likes anything divisive. Thus inoffensive, mediocre crap like Dead Space rises to the top and appears to be the game that everyone loves. The reality is that no-one dislikes it strongly enough to voice a contrary opinion. Another consequence is that exclusives are hardly ever praised on here for fear of "fanboy!" allegations. Earlier tonight I suggested that the PS3 has a better library of exclusives than the X360 and was immediately labelled a fanboy. What the fuck?

Depends on the type of "fanboy" you're talking about.

If you really enjoy a game (for example) and other people don't, that's life and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

If you mean the ones that get mean and hateful, yes, they suck, hard.

It also works both ways. Non-fanboys actually seem to START alot of the issues.

Example: Halo 3 or SSB Brawl. I think most of the people on this website are anti-Halo based on all the posts and threads I've seen, and we know about the reactions to ZP's reveiew of SSBB. But, it gets to the point of wanting to puke because all I hear is negative, which in turn starts a war between both factions.

Bottom Line
If you love something, say you love it and move on. There is no reason to harp on it, or to down something else. IF you love your 360, there's no reason to talk about your hate of the PS3, especially if you've never played on one before. If someone else doesn't like your game...get the fuck over it! Have fun doing what you do, and let them have fun doing what they do...

If you don't like something, you can vent, then move the fuck on. The existance of that thing isn't going to effect your life in slightest. You think Halo 3 sucks, so why rant on and on about it? Go play a game you enjoy and quit starting meaningless flame wars

We're talking about video games and entertainment for Christ's sake! This isn't religion, or politics, or deeply-held beliefs...its fucking Halo or Smash Brothers!

harhol:

ThrobbingEgo:
1. We don't have cinema fanboys who only watch MGM movies, and believe that all Time-Warner movies suck.

2. I think you're confusing fanboy with fan. A fan likes something, a fanboy hates everything competing with what he likes.

1. That's a good comparison, although directors and writers can often inspire a similarly rabid following. Kurosawaaaaaa

2. Earlier in the thread I suggested that traditional fanboyism has been turned on its head. Rather than being a fanboy for disliking something, modern fanboys are so-called for being fond of a particular machine or franchise. Thus you have Halo "fanboys", Mario "fanboys", Kojima "fanboys" and Final Fantasy "fanboys".

Try starting a thread with the title "Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game ever" and prepare to be trolled, regardless of how many games you've played or how many systems you own. You will inevitably be called a "fanboy" for liking the game. On the other hand, if you were to start a thread with the title "Metal Gear Solid 4 sucks" I doubt you'd face too many allegations of MS/Nintendo fanboyism. You might even be hailed as a hero for putting the fanboys in their place.

The culture of anti-fanboyism has changed. Everything sucks now and we'll be damned if anyone likes anything divisive. Thus inoffensive, mediocre crap like Dead Space rises to the top and appears to be the game that everyone loves. The reality is that no-one dislikes it strongly enough to voice a contrary opinion. Another consequence is that exclusives are hardly ever praised on here for fear of "fanboy!" allegations. Earlier tonight I suggested that the PS3 has a better library of exclusives than the X360 and was immediately labelled a fanboy. What the fuck?

You have a good point, but you have to word something different and I will bet I can get a Fanboy reaction.

You said "Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game ever", then you said "Metal Gear Solid 4 sucks".

Now if you said, "Metal Gear Solid 4 is the biggest piece of Crap ever" I think you would get the same type of reaction, as if you said "Metal Gear Solid 4 is the best game ever". The reaction would be different in context, but it still would strike up Fanboys, with all there Pitchforks and torches!

A few words can change a meaning of a topic, from a thought opinion, to a thought of fact by said person.

I don't want to keep my opinions to myself. I'd like to get to a point where we can discuss our favorite games in the same way we can talk about our favorite films.

I can't remember where I read it, probably a Destructoid blog, but someone wrote an article about the presentation and level design in Bioshock. They were talking about that scene where that doctor wrote a on the glass with her finger - a very cool scene that I didn't think too much of at the time - and spent a good two pages analyzing and deconstructing it in a very mature and well thought out fashion. That's what I want. I want people to be able to appreciate Half-Life 2 in the same way we can appreciate Citizen Kane. I'm not saying that they are equal triumphs, but there's more to the game than whether it 'sucks' or is 'totally rad.'

EDIT: here's the article. http://www.destructoid.com/the-memory-card-20-the-message-in-the-glass-48554.phtml

ThrobbingEgo:
I don't want to keep my opinions to myself. I'd like to get to a point where we can discuss our favorite games in the same way we can talk about our favorite films.

I can't remember where I read it, probably a Destructoid blog, but someone wrote an article about the presentation and level design in Bioshock. They were talking about that scene where that doctor wrote a on the glass with her finger - a very cool scene that I didn't think too much of at the time - and spent a good two pages analyzing and deconstructing it in a very mature and well thought out fashion. That's what I want. I want people to be able to appreciate Half-Life 2 in the same way we can appreciate Citizen Kane. I'm not saying that they are equal triumphs, but there's more to the game than whether it 'sucks' or is 'totally rad.'

I completely agree with you... I don't think anyone can really disagree with you, only if there a fanboy.

ThrobbingEgo:
Here's the article. http://www.destructoid.com/the-memory-card-20-the-message-in-the-glass-48554.phtml

Bioshock is a brilliant game, but one of the things that makes it stand out is its use of real-time cutscenes. And I don't mean "real-time" as in real-time graphics ... most of the cutscenes in the game are viewed completely from your perspective, even letting you move around and look elsewhere while they are playing out. This concept alone is ingenious and really works in giving the game a realistic feel.

I thought that article was pretty good but I found this paragraph a little odd. Has the guy not heard of Half-Life?

I'm happy when the shit hits the fanboy.

I don't think it was the author's intent to claim that BioShock is the first game to do this. That'd definitely be a mistake. I'd argue that BioShock pulled of first person storytelling very effectively. It was a very atmospheric game all around. I'd chalk it up to a slip in wording.

I'm a fanboy for Yahtzee, Valkyrie Profile, Japanese Kids With Massive Hair And Giant Swords, FF9 (the best final fantasy game, despite the lack of uber bosses), Tunnocks Caramel Bars and Pizza Hut
We're a necessary race of people, who else're you gonna flame-throw over an argument hedge because of some trivial misdemeanor on behalf of a game or suchlike? lol
But i'm not one of those flame fanboys though, i'm too lazy
Flame-boys though don't deserve internet priviledges (Dun-Dun-Dunnnnn)

I think the general consensus is people who dig stuff are cool. People who don't dig stuff only because it competes with what they dig (exclusives that are not on their console of choice): not cool.

Dig?

ThrobbingEgo:
I think the general consensus is people who dig stuff are cool. People who don't dig stuff only because it competes with what they dig: not cool.

Dig?

What hell did you just say........

Did you just call my mother a cow.....

I'd never insult Bessy. I loves her!

Yeah fanboys can be great people actually. The problem is that most succumb to their arrogance and act like a know it all instead of using their knowledge and spreading it when asked.

If there is anything that gaming has taught me it has been this.
1. If you REALLY take an interest in something by playing a video game based on it, try out the real thing in your life. You might have a lot more fun that you would think and could make a very nice career out of it.

2.Become passionate and care about your work without fear of criticism or failure. I may hate Uvve Bowl's work but you CANNOT deny he has a passion for what he does and that applies to anyone else in life. If you really love to do something you have to be a fanboy to really step out there and take the chance and see what you can really offer to the world. Passion is what fanboys have in spades, but they need to control that passion into a force to better themselves and the world.

I take a great passion here posting knowing that someone will read these posts and might understand my thinking and comment back agreeing or disagreeing. I take great pride trying my best at work despite how little I make because I never know when I could meet someone to inspire me.

I've done my best telling people who are in college to drop the controller for a bit longer and get off the couch and look for internships in what they really like to do and what they want to be when they grow up. Life doesn't just magically bring you to wealth and happiness, you have to work for it in a variety of ways and only passion will get you there showing others you are worth the time.

http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-videogame-fanboyism-83502.phtml

I fucking hate fanboys. Every single type is bad, but PC fanboys are the absolute worst.

The term gets thrown around far too much.

It's much like the term "Noob", I find - the people who are "Noobs" are usually the ones who call others Noob.

Now I am not a PS3 Fanboy because I hate X-Box. I just hate the X-Box. I consider the PS3 far superior in every way, but here's the key bit - there's no alternative! The Wii is far too different, so we have two Consoles. Just because I consider one to be shit does not automatically make me a Fanboy for the alternative. The same applies to those who rabidly slag off the PS3 and defend the X-Box.

Halo is where the "Fanboy" emerges in this argument. Halo vs Resistance, or Halo vs Killzone, or Halo vs Any Other FPS On The Market. We have a lot of FPS games to choose from. If you hate Halo exclusively, you're not a Fanboy. If you hate anything that isn't Halo, then that's when you become a Fanboy.

The other thing here is there's a difference between being a Fanboy, and being a Fan. I would buy MGS5 if it came out, I'd probably buy MGS6 as well. This isn't through some Fanboy compulsion, it's because I loved MGS, I enjoyed MGS2, I loved MGS3 and I'm addicted to Metal Gear Online. Oh, and MGS4 was good as well. In short, experience tells me that if the game has "Metal Gear" in the title, I should enjoy it. Tomb Raider was the same, until we stopped questing in Tombs and started questing in suburban London. I suppose I was slightly 'Fanboy' with Tomb Raider, because even though the games disappointed me so much I kept buying them. In part, I hoped that this game would be the one that made the series fun again.

And yes, I am ashamed to admit I've seen the Tomb Raider: Underworld adverts and wanted to buy it. I'm sorry, but I just really want to believe we can have a decent Tomb Raider again! *cries*

Wargamer:
Now I am not a PS3 Fanboy because I hate X-Box. I just hate the X-Box. I consider the PS3 far superior in every way, but here's the key bit - there's no alternative! The Wii is far too different, so we have two Consoles. Just because I consider one to be shit does not automatically make me a Fanboy for the alternative. The same applies to those who rabidly slag off the PS3 and defend the X-Box.

While this is true some context is needed. Do you hate the Xbox because of the Red Ring of Death for example? Do you hate it because of the generally shoddy engineering of the console itself? Do you hate it because of the Xbox Live charge? Do you hate it because of the way games are fleecing the customers and charging for utterly lame DLC?

Or do you hate it merely because it is a rival to the PS3?

If the latter case is the answer then yes you are a fanboy.

I hate the X-Box because it's an X-Box. It's as simple as that.

It's online community is stereotyped, often rightly so, as a bunch of 13 year old douchebags. It's "flagship" game series, Halo, is unremarkable at best and pure shit at worst. It periodically explodes, catches fire or otherwise wreaks itself, you have to pay for X-Box Live, and the fucking thing should have died long, long ago.

The fact it's the main rival to the PS3 is a moot point - I hated it before the PS3 existed.

Wargamer:
I hate the X-Box because it's an X-Box. It's as simple as that.

It's online community is stereotyped, often rightly so, as a bunch of 13 year old douchebags. It's "flagship" game series, Halo, is unremarkable at best and pure shit at worst. It periodically explodes, catches fire or otherwise wreaks itself, you have to pay for X-Box Live, and the fucking thing should have died long, long ago.

The fact it's the main rival to the PS3 is a moot point - I hated it before the PS3 existed.

This certainly does seem to be a kind of fanboyism, albeit an anti-fanboyism. When dislike of something is borne of logic, of circumstance (my Xbox360 a few months back), or of it simply failing to ignite any flames of interest even after you have looked for them then yes... that is fair enough.

When you completely decry an entire gaming platform and its entire community (of which I am one and I am considerably older than 13), call its games "pure shit" out of hand without actually pointing out that is simply your opinion, when you hate it because it is, you are being mindless. And mindlessness is what being a fanboy is all about.

I own a PS3 too, but play almost always on my Xbox360. You know why? Because its got more and better games. If the PS3 actually had better games then I would probably play that more. But this is unlikely to happen, because Sony don't really need to bother beefing up their video game library due to the mindlessness of people who "hate xbox because it's xbox", and will simply give their cash to Sony no matter what crap Sony shovel out the door.

i feel something,..........pity!

Jobz:
Well...fanboy to me implies someone who is so devoted to a particular thing (usually a movie, video game, book or TV show) that it borders on obsession. That doesn't bother me by itself. What bothers me are the fanboys who feel that they need to insult anyone who doesn't agree that this thing they worship is so great.

They refuse to see anyone else's point of view and look upon anyone who prefers an opposing or different game/book/movie/TV show as lesser beings. There are quite a few of those types of people on The Escapist, PC and PS3 fanboys being most prevalent on here. I won't name names, don't want to start arguments.

I think you should name names. We know who you mean lets get them involded. This seems like an unsubtle veiled attack on PC and PS3 owners. I protest and say these people are only reacting to the amount of derision thrown at them.

cuddly_tomato:

Wargamer:
I hate the X-Box because it's an X-Box. It's as simple as that.

It's online community is stereotyped, often rightly so, as a bunch of 13 year old douchebags. It's "flagship" game series, Halo, is unremarkable at best and pure shit at worst. It periodically explodes, catches fire or otherwise wreaks itself, you have to pay for X-Box Live, and the fucking thing should have died long, long ago.

The fact it's the main rival to the PS3 is a moot point - I hated it before the PS3 existed.

This certainly does seem to be a kind of fanboyism, albeit an anti-fanboyism. When dislike of something is borne of logic, of circumstance (my Xbox360 a few months back), or of it simply failing to ignite any flames of interest even after you have looked for them then yes... that is fair enough.

When you completely decry an entire gaming platform and its entire community (of which I am one and I am considerably older than 13), call its games "pure shit" out of hand without actually pointing out that is simply your opinion, when you hate it because it is, you are being mindless. And mindlessness is what being a fanboy is all about.

I own a PS3 too, but play almost always on my Xbox360. You know why? Because its got more and better games. If the PS3 actually had better games then I would probably play that more. But this is unlikely to happen, because Sony don't really need to bother beefing up their video game library due to the mindlessness of people who "hate xbox because it's xbox", and will simply give their cash to Sony no matter what crap Sony shovel out the door.

X-Box is far more than an uninteresting console. The Saturn was uninteresting. The Dreamcast was uninteresting. That's probably why both of them tanked.

The X-Box is far worse. It is cancer. Consider the 'iconic' games of the PS3. Resistance is a pretty decent FPS, which got more fame than it perhaps deserved by pissing off Manchester's clergy. Metal Gear Solid 4 gets criticised for being 'too wordy' and LittleBigPlanet is effectively a "make your own game" sandbox system.

Consider the 'iconic' games of the X-Box. Halo is a rather unremarkable FPS that has been over-hyped to the extreme, and Gears of War is actually a quite disappointing 3rd person game that doesn't quite succeed in pulling off what it sets out to do.

The key difference from my point of view is mindset. MGS4 and LBP do things very differently. Halo is the same shit we've had since the first Doom Clone came out. That's all the X-Box does; it spews out bile and excrement in the shape of whatever the last big thing was. Everyone likes Miis, so we'll have Miis too! Halo sold really well, so now every game will be like Halo!

What's more, it spreads to other consoles. This ever-growing trend to 'dumb down' games, to outdo one another via moronic titillation in order to sway the glassy-eyed dip-shits that honestly believe there's nothing more to gaming than screaming "I pwn j00 noob!" down their headsets. The X-Box is the embodiment of failure in the worst possible way; it should have failed, yet it thrives.

I've wanted the X-Box to fail since Microsoft announced it all those years ago. That's where the true hatred of the Console began - it's from Microsoft. Sony was never a company that sprang to mind with me pre-PSX, save that I had a TV of theirs that never crashed or exploded. I saw the X-Box for what it is - an attempt to cash in and 'steal' the gaming market.

Wargamer:

cuddly_tomato:

Wargamer:
I hate the X-Box because it's an X-Box. It's as simple as that.

It's online community is stereotyped, often rightly so, as a bunch of 13 year old douchebags. It's "flagship" game series, Halo, is unremarkable at best and pure shit at worst. It periodically explodes, catches fire or otherwise wreaks itself, you have to pay for X-Box Live, and the fucking thing should have died long, long ago.

The fact it's the main rival to the PS3 is a moot point - I hated it before the PS3 existed.

This certainly does seem to be a kind of fanboyism, albeit an anti-fanboyism. When dislike of something is borne of logic, of circumstance (my Xbox360 a few months back), or of it simply failing to ignite any flames of interest even after you have looked for them then yes... that is fair enough.

When you completely decry an entire gaming platform and its entire community (of which I am one and I am considerably older than 13), call its games "pure shit" out of hand without actually pointing out that is simply your opinion, when you hate it because it is, you are being mindless. And mindlessness is what being a fanboy is all about.

I own a PS3 too, but play almost always on my Xbox360. You know why? Because its got more and better games. If the PS3 actually had better games then I would probably play that more. But this is unlikely to happen, because Sony don't really need to bother beefing up their video game library due to the mindlessness of people who "hate xbox because it's xbox", and will simply give their cash to Sony no matter what crap Sony shovel out the door.

X-Box is far more than an uninteresting console. The Saturn was uninteresting. The Dreamcast was uninteresting. That's probably why both of them tanked.

The X-Box is far worse. It is cancer. Consider the 'iconic' games of the PS3. Resistance is a pretty decent FPS, which got more fame than it perhaps deserved by pissing off Manchester's clergy. Metal Gear Solid 4 gets criticised for being 'too wordy' and LittleBigPlanet is effectively a "make your own game" sandbox system.

Consider the 'iconic' games of the X-Box. Halo is a rather unremarkable FPS that has been over-hyped to the extreme, and Gears of War is actually a quite disappointing 3rd person game that doesn't quite succeed in pulling off what it sets out to do.

The key difference from my point of view is mindset. MGS4 and LBP do things very differently. Halo is the same shit we've had since the first Doom Clone came out. That's all the X-Box does; it spews out bile and excrement in the shape of whatever the last big thing was. Everyone likes Miis, so we'll have Miis too! Halo sold really well, so now every game will be like Halo!

What's more, it spreads to other consoles. This ever-growing trend to 'dumb down' games, to outdo one another via moronic titillation in order to sway the glassy-eyed dip-shits that honestly believe there's nothing more to gaming than screaming "I pwn j00 noob!" down their headsets. The X-Box is the embodiment of failure in the worst possible way; it should have failed, yet it thrives.

Yep, this is pure fanboyism. What you are doing is cherry picking elements of a particular platform which you personally dislike and then holding them up as empirical facts, and also holding them up as being representitive of the platform as a whole.

You also failed to realize Haze is just Halo with two letters changed and the fun aspect surgically removed.

Xbox had Morrowind, Jade Empire and KotOR while the PS2 gave us Rayman. Xbox360 has Mass Effect, Condemned: Criminal Origins where the PS3 is content to deliver endless driving games rehashes. But of course, Xbox also had complete crap like Dead or Alive Volleyball while the PS2 gave us Siren. See... there is a market for those games and the developers simply make the games for that market.

You can cherry pick games like Halo all you like (just as an Xbox fanboy could cherry pick Haze), but in pointing fingers at the console itself, and pointing the finger at the entire demographic of people playing those consoles and stereotyping them as "glassy-eyed dip-shits" you are identifying yourself as a fanboy. Look over this thread to see what gamers in general think of fanboys.

I don't give a toss about Haze - I never intend to buy it. It never wowed me, those games rarely do. I only bought Resistance because I couldn't figure out why people still gave it praise, and was rewarded by a nicely playable game. Not that remarkable, but for a launch title it was good.

On the subject of games, I don't recall mentioning ANY games bar MGS4, LBP, Halo and Gears. I didn't specifically claim to be defending the PS3 either. Or the PS2. Or any console. This is where, as I said, the sheer stupidity of your claims lies - how can I be a Fanboy with nothing to 'defend'? Or am I a Fanboy of the Entire Gaming World minus Microsoft?

I distinctly remember explaining that the fact it's a 'rival' to the PS3 is moot. We don't have three competing Consoles - we have PS3 vs 360, with the Wii doing just fine in its own little area. I'm not going to insult DS gamers by claiming the PSP is competing with it, because if there's one thing I've learned it's that if it's a hand-held and it doesn't have a Nintendo badge, don't bother.

So please, feel free to hammer together whatever pile of shit you like, release it as a Games Console and compete alongside the PS3 and 360. Even if it's a fucking toaster with a DVD drive attached, I'd still prefer it over the 360. I wouldn't prefer it over the PS3, but that's because if I had a choice of 'equal' consoles I would *gasp* have a favourite! I like the Mega Drive more than the SNES, that doesn't mean I'm a Sega Fanboy (if I was, I'd have bought a Saturn).

So again, keeping in mind that by just about every accepted definition a 'Fanboy' requires an object to raise atop a golden pillar and hail as divine, and given that I have no such object, how can you declare me a Fanboy? I just despise the 360 and all it stands for. Present an alternative to the PS3, and I'll weight up which of the two is better.

Wargamer:
X-Box is far more than an uninteresting console. The Saturn was uninteresting. The Dreamcast was uninteresting. That's probably why both of them tanked.

The X-Box is far worse. It is cancer. Consider the 'iconic' games of the PS3. Resistance is a pretty decent FPS, which got more fame than it perhaps deserved by pissing off Manchester's clergy. Metal Gear Solid 4 gets criticised for being 'too wordy' and LittleBigPlanet is effectively a "make your own game" sandbox system.

Consider the 'iconic' games of the X-Box. Halo is a rather unremarkable FPS that has been over-hyped to the extreme, and Gears of War is actually a quite disappointing 3rd person game that doesn't quite succeed in pulling off what it sets out to do.

The key difference from my point of view is mindset. MGS4 and LBP do things very differently. Halo is the same shit we've had since the first Doom Clone came out. That's all the X-Box does; it spews out bile and excrement in the shape of whatever the last big thing was. Everyone likes Miis, so we'll have Miis too! Halo sold really well, so now every game will be like Halo!

What's more, it spreads to other consoles. This ever-growing trend to 'dumb down' games, to outdo one another via moronic titillation in order to sway the glassy-eyed dip-shits that honestly believe there's nothing more to gaming than screaming "I pwn j00 noob!" down their headsets. The X-Box is the embodiment of failure in the worst possible way; it should have failed, yet it thrives.

I've wanted the X-Box to fail since Microsoft announced it all those years ago. That's where the true hatred of the Console began - it's from Microsoft. Sony was never a company that sprang to mind with me pre-PSX, save that I had a TV of theirs that never crashed or exploded. I saw the X-Box for what it is - an attempt to cash in and 'steal' the gaming market.

I... oh god. This is... there are no words for this. If you wrote this thing as a joke, you would be a comic genius. Like, John Belushi genius. But instead, you're saying this as if you're actually going to change someone's mind, as if your devotion to a faceless company is superior to another man's devotion to a similar faceless company. You're the reason gaming forums suck.

I feel they miss a critical point. To love something, you must hate it. Scrutinise it. Shine a light on every blemish, know it thoroughly, speak out against it... and love it nonetheless. To me, fanboyism consists of blind worship, akin to religious fanaticism, denying the flaws and imperfections of the object of their abject worship... and it disgusts me.

I am a huge fan of World of Warcraft, I must (somewhat reluctantly) admit. I find it to be an amazing game. However, there are severe flaws, features sorely missed... in spite of all of them, and in spite of being thoroughly aware of them, I remain a fan.

Portal, however, has no flaws, and I will tear you limb from limb with my elbows if you say otherwise ;-)

WitherVoice:
I feel they miss a critical point. To love something, you must hate it. Scrutinise it. Shine a light on every blemish, know it thoroughly, speak out against it... and love it nonetheless. To me, fanboyism consists of blind worship, akin to religious fanaticism, denying the flaws and imperfections of the object of their abject worship... and it disgusts me.

I am a huge fan of World of Warcraft, I must (somewhat reluctantly) admit. I find it to be an amazing game. However, there are severe flaws, features sorely missed... in spite of all of them, and in spite of being thoroughly aware of them, I remain a fan.

Portal, however, has no flaws, and I will tear you limb from limb with my elbows if you say otherwise ;-)

Yeah and its hte blind fans that are the fanboys.

WitherVoice:
Portal, however, has no flaws, and I will tear you limb from limb with my elbows if you say otherwise ;-)

Does that mean it is impossible to like Portal without being a Fanboy, due to the fact it is not possible to find flaws?

Depends... are they MY fanbo... fangirls!