songnar:
I'll add a few more cents to the pool of thoughts here.

I'd like to address the question in the title "What's the big deal?"
The big deal is that this is METAL GEAR we're talking about. A game which has been alive longer than me and which has been incredibly successful. Metal Gear was a game which changed the way that people looked at stealth in games, in fact, it can be called the first successful stealth game if we dismiss the original Wolfenstein which I suspect we can. That, my friend, is the big deal. This is real gaming history in the works.

That makes sense. Like, seeing a James Bond movie with a different guy as 007, right? Or hearing that the Supreme Court is about to overturn an earlier precedent, something like that?

Although in general multiplatform releases are a good thing, exclusives are what truly keep the industry going. Imagine if there were no exclusives, then quickly one of two competing hypothetical consoles would not sell because their hardware became apparent as the lesser of the two. Since there is no difference in software, the obvious choice would die off, and most likely pretty quickly.

Then with no opponent, creativity and competition will stifle. This is exactly why monopolies are very bad, and exclusives are very good. In fact this is happening with the Wii right now. The Wii has no competitor on its level, and poor games by any Joe Schmo developer have flooded into the Wii's library.

Additionally, timed exclusives are also a bad thing. MGS4, and other PS3 exclusives, have sold PS3s without question. For many people, the only reason they bought a PS3 could very realistically have been to play only one or two exclusive games. If within the life cycle of that console, its exclusives go multiplatform, then you have been duped into making a poor investment (if exclusives were an important part of your decision, which they generally are).

In that sense, PS3 owners have a very justifiable complaint when previously exclusive games go multiplatform, because they could have (and maybe would have) waited and bought it for another console for whatever reason (cost, hardware preference, space saving, etc). No one is offering a refund for a PS3 if MGS4 goes to the 360, and if a business announces that this will never happen, but then it DOES - this bad business will likely kill consumer confidence and act as the industry shooting itself in the foot by creating a consumer culture of mistrust and deal hunting. Consumers then won't believe in your company or product, and will only buy it once you have lost so much money on them that they sell for rock bottom prices. Not out of "fanboyism" or spite, but because they've been taught that their traditional consumer culture is dated and unrewarded.

DanRSL:
Although in general multiplatform releases are a good thing, exclusives are what truly keep the industry going. Imagine if there were no exclusives, then quickly one of two competing hypothetical consoles would not sell because their hardware became apparent as the lesser of the two. Since there is no difference in software, the obvious choice would die off, and most likely pretty quickly.

No, it just means that a console would be judged on other factors, such as online services and first-party titles released. I can imagine that if exclusive third-party titles fall apart, then Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony will have to really up their efforts on first-party titles.

Either Pay the money and get what you want or shut up in my opinion, the incessant bitching can be quite annoying as you can guess.

Except I bought a Wii and can't afford another console, so I'm allowed to complain.

Think if Mario came out on the 360. Fanboys/girls would be pissed, but Nintendo would make a lot of money. Maybe.

If Nintendo began making their major first-party releases multi-platform they would actually lose money, since the profit they made would be overshadowed by an exponential drop in Wii sales.

yes embrace MS corruption....

Sony are far from angelic. Try reading about how they handled the bleem! ordeal.

Kojima Productions, unlike many dev teams, tends to learn form past mistakes. It is unlikely that they will try an x-box release of Metal Gear again.

By "failure" I assume you mean commercially, since MGS2 was as good on the Xbox as it was on the PS2. If that's the case, the point is moot, since the Xbox 360's user base is inherited as much from the PS2's as the original Xbox's (sales would suggest this), meaning MGS4 would have a better chance of succeeding.

EzraPound:

Either Pay the money and get what you want or shut up in my opinion, the incessant bitching can be quite annoying as you can guess.

Except I bought a Wii and can't afford another console, so I'm allowed to complain.

No, no your not, I don't have NEARLY enough money for everything I want it doesn't give me the right to complain, bitch and whine about how a game is not on my console(s) of choice, I take it in good grace and become patient.

I can't afford a PSP on top of a new PS2 (cause my old one died) that doesn't give me the right to bitch loudly about how those PSP exclusives aren't coming to the DS.

Honestly I don't care if MGS4 goes to anything else, I got my version, what annoys me is that some people won't suck it up.

Let me give you an example, my older brother has a 360, eventually he got sick and tired of it and wanted a PS3, so he saved up his cash ALL YEAR to buy a PS3, he didn't bitch about it, he just played what he had till he got a PS3, I didn't let him use mine (Because as I mentioned earlier I'm a giant dick)

But he had patience and the dignity to not bawl like a little bitch. Do you get what I'm saying? Let me make it short.

Have some dignity and some patience, if there's something you want that you can't get, well wait, you will eventually get it. If your STILL against getting it, then don't complain, because no one want's to hear it, If you REALLY need to complain, go do it in a blog.

Again I DON'T CARE if MGS goes to another console or is made Multi-Platform, so long as the game is good. But it bugs me to no end when anyone can't be graceful.

Maybe my experience of going to 360 boards and NOT seeing millions of 'X going to the PS3 please' topics, yet finding tonnes of them on the PS3 Exclusive boards.

EzraPound:

yes embrace MS corruption....

Sony are far from angelic. Try reading about how they handled the bleem! ordeal.

RE: Bleem: lol, nothing out of the ordinary but ty for the heads up.

RE: Bleem: lol, nothing out of the ordinary but ty for the heads up.

Nintendo aren't doves either, of course - take their draconian policies regarding third-party rights during the 8-bit era, for example. Insofar as I can tell, the "Big Three" are all bad.

No, no your not, I don't have NEARLY enough money for everything I want it doesn't give me the right to complain, bitch and whine about how a game is not on my console(s) of choice, I take it in good grace and become patient.

Well, I am determined to stick with the Wii for now. I figure there's fifteen or so games I want, plus I can buy a few GC ones I never played and hack WiiWare and VC using homebrew on rainy days.

Well hopefully it isn't Metal Gear Solid 5, because i like the way Kojima said this was his last MGS and he ended it off great. If its a port of MGS 4 to 360 than great, everyone now gets to enjoy this awesome game. Personally i am hoping its another Metal Gear Acid, im one of the few out of my friends that loved playing that game.

EcksTeaSea:
Well hopefully it isn't Metal Gear Solid 5, because i like the way Kojima said this was his last MGS and he ended it off great. If its a port of MGS 4 to 360 than great, everyone now gets to enjoy this awesome game. Personally i am hoping its another Metal Gear Acid, im one of the few out of my friends that loved playing that game.

I don't think he will touch the 'Solid' series anymore, Snakes mission is over, however he can still do games in the Metal Gear verse or with similar themes.

Ya know I never had the problem other people had, I understood everything that was going on in MGS2 (I sorta watched it on youtube) I chalk it right up their with other criticism I hear.

Oh don't get me wrong it IS confusing, I'm just saying In understood it, however I also might be crazy so their ya go.

I personally hope for another Boktai/Lunar Knights game.

On the back of such huge success I suppose it was inevitable. I wonder which direction it will go in from here. Maybe a set of Ocelot prequels? More Raiden? Then again, I might be the only one who'd want more Raiden in my Metal Gear.

But musings aside. I think it's a good thing, spread the love.

EcksTeaSea:
Well hopefully it isn't Metal Gear Solid 5, because i like the way Kojima said this was his last MGS and he ended it off great. If its a port of MGS 4 to 360 than great, everyone now gets to enjoy this awesome game. Personally i am hoping its another Metal Gear Acid, im one of the few out of my friends that loved playing that game.

Metal Gear Ac!d is like the drug to me. Seriously, after I really understood the fundamentals of the game, it became addicting. I can't tell you how many times I replay certain levels just because I want to sneak through no kills, no alerts, and as fast as possible. Mind you, Metal Gear Ac!d2 didn't have the same feeling to it, and I couldn't get into it as much. Still a great game though.

As perviously stated, I'm big fanboy of the series. You know how bad? I have every Metal Gear game from the NES days, PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3. that also includes the 2 Digital Graphic Novels..

EDIT: I must regretably admit that there is ONE Metal Gear game that I do not own. Snake's Revenge. Although it isn't considered to be a true Metal Gear game.

Syphonz:

EcksTeaSea:
Well hopefully it isn't Metal Gear Solid 5, because i like the way Kojima said this was his last MGS and he ended it off great. If its a port of MGS 4 to 360 than great, everyone now gets to enjoy this awesome game. Personally i am hoping its another Metal Gear Acid, im one of the few out of my friends that loved playing that game.

Metal Gear Ac!d is like the drug to me. Seriously, after I really understood the fundamentals of the game, it became addicting. I can't tell you how many times I replay certain levels just because I want to sneak through no kills, no alerts, and as fast as possible. Mind you, Metal Gear Ac!d2 didn't have the same feeling to it, and I couldn't get into it as much. Still a great game though.

As perviously stated, I'm big fanboy of the series. You know how bad? I have every Metal Gear game from the NES days, PS1, PS2, PSP, and PS3. that also includes the 2 Digital Graphic Novels..

EDIT: I must regretably admit that there is ONE Metal Gear game that I do not own. Snake's Revenge. Although it isn't considered to be a true Metal Gear game.

Do you have the proper 32X Metal Gear games?

*facedesk*

first point - Not a teaser trailer. It was made by the guy posting it up. It was basically a small bit of a song put over a 15 second slide of the Picture posted on Kojima's site

second point - Who gives a crap. PS3 still have a lot of good exclusives coming. 360 fanboy's just don't want to admit it because they are emotionally invested in their console. Bioshock was regarded as a great 360 exclusive. It became multi-plat.

Now can we shut up about it?

i like metal gear since the 2d game then.. haha what's the big deal? i dont care which game console.. its the game.. and its metal gear...

The big deal is that the Sonytards are touting the almighty power of their new God (blu-ray) and how disc switching will be a horrible blight upon the 360 peasantry.

The 360Tards meanwhile are just touting the fact that Sony might lose another exclusive.

That's the big deal.

Apparently.

I'm on the side of the 360 users only because I really would like the Sony fans to shut up about pricing points and their stupid blu-ray. Yes I said it was stupid. Deal with it.

Well considering that Microsoft are getting their mitts on all sorts of franchises to expand their appeal, my only concern is the porting thing. I haven't seen a PS3 game that isn't an exclusive, look good. Bioshock may be an exception but that's had a lot of work on it to make it PS3 friendly.

I'm confused as to how this is 'selling out'

MGS2 was on the original Xbox, was it not? As MGS2:Substance?

corroded:
I'm confused as to how this is 'selling out'

MGS2 was on the original Xbox, was it not? As MGS2:Substance?

I heard that bombed. (No seriously I have no actual clue that's just what I heard)

I think it's fine if Konami releases games on the 360, but I'll start calling bullshit when people call for Level-5 games to be on the 360, mostly because Level-5 and Microsoft tried working together and the parting was... less than friendly.

Just to all the people who want MGS4 on the 360, what about all the Apple sponsoring, the In-Joke about how there is no need for disk swapping since it's on blu-ray.

I mean sure they can change/remove them, but they are funny. *This is a Joke coming up, if you take it seriously you NEED to get out more*

What would the codec be like

Otacon: Okay Snake time to change the disk, I know I know it's a hassle, but do you see the disk marked 2?
Snake: No I see the disk marked 17 seriously this stopped being a 'Hassle' 15 disks ago and has degenerated into pure mind fuckery.
Otacon: Oh that's right we are on DVD.
Snake: Damn It Otacon! Get a Grip!

Doesn't have the same charm to it does it?

whenever i read about Metal Gear Solid 4 and Xbox 360 I keep thinking about this image.

Yes yes we all know its not real and wouldn't look like that but its still funny to me. xD

Onmi:

Spartan Bannana:
I honestly don't care, I found the game to be rather mediocre when I played it on a friend's console. But to answer your question, I agree, PS3 owners have been holding out for good exclusives, looking at their console as a long term investment, but with FFXIII turning, LittleBigPlanet and MGS4 are the only (allegedly) good exclusives they have

White Knight Chronicles, inFamous, The Ratchet and Clank series, FFXIII Versus.
There is more but I honestly can't be to arsed to go check.

I really don't like any of those besides Ratchett and Clank, and that ship seems to have sailed, with the team doing more PSP games instead

Snakktastic:
whenever i read about Metal Gear Solid 4 and Xbox 360 I keep thinking about this image.

Yes yes we all know its not real and wouldn't look like that but its still funny to me. xD

Yes, yes, and we all know 18 of those 20 discs would be taken up by long boring cutscenes

Spartan Bannana:

Onmi:

Spartan Bannana:
I honestly don't care, I found the game to be rather mediocre when I played it on a friend's console. But to answer your question, I agree, PS3 owners have been holding out for good exclusives, looking at their console as a long term investment, but with FFXIII turning, LittleBigPlanet and MGS4 are the only (allegedly) good exclusives they have

White Knight Chronicles, inFamous, The Ratchet and Clank series, FFXIII Versus.
There is more but I honestly can't be to arsed to go check.
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I really don't like any of those besides Ratchett and Clank, and that ship seems to have sailed, with the team doing more PSP games instead
[quote="Snakktastic" post="9.79360.1012074"]whenever i read about Metal Gear Solid 4 and Xbox 360 I keep thinking about this image.

Yes yes we all know its not real and wouldn't look like that but its still funny to me. xD

Yes, yes, and we all know 18 of those 20 discs would be taken up by cutscenes

You said good exclusives, I gave them, if you had said 'Good exclusives I will enjoy' I would have made different choices.

And R&C Future 2 (Not QFB) Is a PS3 exclusive. Since good is a (Okay forewarning here I tend to use words that may not actually make sense, but they sound really good together so forgive me if something make you go wuh) subjective term, you can't judge based on personal likes, I dont care for all but 2 360 exclusives, However I know that LOTS of 360 owners DO care for them, I haven't played like 98% of them, so I cant really say they are bad. Not my cup of tea, it's just wordplay.

Despite that note I can understand you not liking the majority of them since taste is personal. Also people severely exaggerate on the cutscenes, yes there are a lot, but not much more than other games I dont care to name out of fear of causing an argument, also it wouldn't make sense.

Cutscenes are skipable, Unless of course people are telling me that the 360 can't handle similar cutscenes to previous Metal Gears.

Seriously though they aren't THAT long, both Yahtzee and ... well trigger happy people over play them.

Yes yes we all know its not real and wouldn't look like that but its still funny to me. xD

Yes, yes, and we all know 18 of those 20 discs would be taken up by long boring cutscenes

And the other 2-20 would be the interesting cutscenes. The gameplay comes on a floppy disk. Naturally, Microsoft will charge £260 for the Floppy Drive attachment.

As far as I'm concerned X-box owners can have MGS4 and play it all they want. I got mine and I love it as I love my PS3. I see no problem in everybody getting to enjoy as many games as possible. I will however agree with Onmi that until the game actually shows up on the 360 people should stop bitching or buy a PS3. You don't hear me whining about not getting to play GeoW. If I want to do that I buy a 360 or wait (even if waiting is probably futile). So I don't play it and I don't whine. Cough up the green or shut up and wait.

Another thing though: I think exclusives is a good thing for me as a PS3 owner. At least that way I know that the game isn't a half assed port of a game made for 360. The developers can make what they want out of the hardware without needing to be concerned about fitting it on DVDs. I think that is part of what drives the technology forwards. (This argument of course works both ways). I am a bit pissed about having to play Fallout 3 on PS3 as it seems I got shafted. So, in some respects exclusives are a good thing. But in general I don't mind multiplatform. And at some point I'll get the money and buy a 360 (also, there need to be a bit more decent games for the damned thing) and see what the fuss about GeoW is about. Until then I'll shut up.

Also the image of the 20 DVD box of MGS4 is funny as hell, even if wildly untrue. :D Have some sense of humor guys.

Now I have to go do something to silence the inner fanboy that really doesn't want MGS4 on the X-box because the damn X-bots can't have it all dammit. :) He's an annoying jerk who pops up now and again. He and I have some serious arguments about what to think. Luckily I win most of the time.

Metal Gear Acid for DSi. Count on it.

If I'm wrong, I'll change my avatar!

If it came to the 360 it would further support what I have saying for a while now. The death of exclusives.

SteveDave:
If it came to the 360 it would further support what I have saying for a while now. The death of exclusives.

Yes because Metal Gear has been the PINNACLE series of exclusive titles, uh hu, nope never gone multi-platform before...

Oh wait.

Onmi:

SteveDave:
If it came to the 360 it would further support what I have saying for a while now. The death of exclusives.

Yes because Metal Gear has been the PINNACLE series of exclusive titles, uh hu, nope never gone multi-platform before...

Oh wait.

I don't care what you say. One of the big appeals that the PS3 has is their supposed exclusive MGS4. IF it goes multiplatform nothing will disuade me from the belief that exclusives will eventually die. This wouldn't be a shitty Nintendo port. A Microsoft port would be huge.