I've noticed that it's been buzzing around for quite a long time that gaming is in a doomed plunge which it will not survive, with game becoming worse and companies hating us and blah blah blah. And, in a bid to create a totally unique thread which has only been done 7 times before, I've decided to ask why. Why do people think games are getting worse? Why are you determined to declare that improved graphics, deeper stories and more exciting gameplay are signs of the coming apocalypse?
In the past decade or so, this has been happening with absolutely everything. Something small is discussed to the point where it becomes a big point, and some cynical people start calling for the end of everything. It's not unique to gaming.
I feel that games are constantly improving, and I think most gamers are just looking for stuff to complain about so they can use authorative language in their forum posts. You know, since they never get a chance to use it in real life.
Geo Da Sponge: I've noticed that it's been buzzing around for quite a long time that gaming is in a doomed plunge which it will not survive, with game becoming worse and companies hating us and blah blah blah. And, in a bid to create a totally unique thread which has only been done 7 times before, I've decided to ask why. Why do people think games are getting worse? Why are you determined to declare that improved graphics, deeper stories and more exciting gameplay are signs of the coming apocalypse?
I don't think there is anything wron with gaming at all.
It's just gloom and doom. As a rule of thumb 90% of everything is always crap. Games are no worse now than they were 5 10 or 20 years ago. In fact if anything gaming only continues to improve while those who can't take off the rose-tinted glasses of nostalgia can only whine as the medium evolves and transcends them. Of course this only applies to PC gaming. The current generation of consoles is atrocious :p
Everything is always on it's way to it's final, completely conclusive, the last one ever, ENDING. Things have always been that way, and they always will continue to be that way.
Just stop listening to what everyone keeps saying and enjoy your hobbies. They'll have their ups and downs, but an actual end in the existence in any of them? I highly doubt it.
DRM. Big time companies purposely screwing up their games on the PC so people shift to consoles. EA doing the same crap year after year after year. Lucas Art abandoning their fellow PC players the one that gave birth to the company. More and more game reviewing sites getting bought off by gaming companies.
And finally, Disney's trying to buy EA. If that isn't one of the signs of the apocalypse then I don't know what is.
Geo Da Sponge: I've noticed that it's been buzzing around for quite a long time that gaming is in a doomed plunge which it will not survive, with game becoming worse and companies hating us and blah blah blah. And, in a bid to create a totally unique thread which has only been done 7 times before, I've decided to ask why. Why do people think games are getting worse? Why are you determined to declare that improved graphics, deeper stories and more exciting gameplay are signs of the coming apocalypse?
Well you see the problem is very few games have all of those qualities, heck some times were are lucky just to have one of them.
AboveUp: Everything is always on it's way to it's final, completely conclusive, the last one ever, ENDING. Things have always been that way, and they always will continue to be that way.
Just stop listening to what everyone keeps saying and enjoy your hobbies. They'll have their ups and downs, but an actual end in the existence in any of them? I highly doubt it.
Firstly, I am well aware of what entropy is thank you very much, so there's no need to patronise.
Secondly, you seem to misunderstand the point entirely. It's not as if the entirety of gaming will be swallowed by a black hole, it's just many people think gaming is in decline with the quality of games being directly disproportionate to the number of gamers. And I don't let these views ruin my hobby, I'd just like to turn the nay sayers to my point of view so that they can actually enjoy something for once.
Sure, there have been a bunch of bad games out recently, but that's the way it's ALWAYS been.
If anything, recent times are plagued by whiney millennials who either want every game to cure cancer, are close-mindedly stuck to a single franchise/console, or both.
Nothing is wrong with gaming now. Gamers, on the other hand...that's a whole other thread.
blood77: Well you see the problem is very few games have all of those qualities, heck some times were are lucky just to have one of them.
How about Mass Effect? It had a good story, good graphics (well the character models were nice, okay?) and fun gameplay (especially if you played Vanguard and combined levitation biotics with a high stopping power shotgun). Or Call of Duty 4? Gah, what am I saying! We must hate anything popular just like we must hate anything new!
Soon you will be paying 60 bucks (or more with the economical crisis) for something that lasts 10 hours. With almost no replay value.
Do you think that's fair?
True, but the greater implementation of online Multiplayer more than makes up for that. Pretty much any game with decent multiplayer can more than make it up to me.
It's not the games, it's us. We're getting accustomed to high quality. We ask for more quality, quicker and quicker, and the innovations don't have time to follow. Games are definitely getting better and better. But so are we, and so are our expectations.
blood77: Well you see the problem is very few games have all of those qualities, heck some times were are lucky just to have one of them.
How about Mass Effect? It had a good story, good graphics (well the character models were nice, okay?) and fun gameplay (especially if you played Vanguard and combined levitation biotics with a high stopping power shotgun). Or Call of Duty 4? Gah, what am I saying! We must hate anything popular just like we must hate anything new!
Yeah I said few games, not no games. Plus I like a number of the new games to come out, I don't even really see games lacking something even as a problem. Nothing is ever going to be perfect and I think people need to realize that, but then on the other hand there needs to also be a little more for though put into some games.
Soon you will be paying 60 bucks (or more with the economical crisis) for something that lasts 10 hours. With almost no replay value.
Do you think that's fair?
Sure it's fair, if you payed for it. You should know what you're buying before you buy it. If you think $60 is not a good value for the game you are getting, well nobody is forcing you to buy these products. With all the plethora of reviews, previews, and other sources of information about games these days you have no excuse to not be an informed consumer.
Soon you will be paying 60 bucks (or more with the economical crisis) for something that lasts 10 hours. With almost no replay value.
Do you think that's fair?
Sure it's fair, if you payed for it. You should know what you're buying before you buy it. If you think $60 is not a good value for the game you are getting, well nobody is forcing you to buy these products. With all the plethora of reviews, previews, and other sources of information about games these days you have no excuse to not be an informed consumer.
Follow me here.
Over priced games --> Shorter games --> People get pissed off and stop buying games --> Companies are forced to push the prices up in order to keep their business --> People still refuse to buy games --> Industry dies.
At least until a new generation of gamers comes along with the low standards they have and buy them. That's how it works, this has happened before and it will happen again.
Soon you will be paying 60 bucks (or more with the economical crisis) for something that lasts 10 hours. With almost no replay value.
Do you think that's fair?
Sure it's fair, if you payed for it. You should know what you're buying before you buy it. If you think $60 is not a good value for the game you are getting, well nobody is forcing you to buy these products. With all the plethora of reviews, previews, and other sources of information about games these days you have no excuse to not be an informed consumer.
Follow me here.
Over priced games --> Shorter games --> People get pissed off and stop buying games --> Companies are forced to push the prices up in order to keep their business --> People still refuse to buy games --> Industry dies.
At least until a new generation of gamers comes along with the low standards they have and buy them. That's how it works, this has happened before and it will happen again.
History repeats itself.
Your path is ridiculous, you assume that businesses will drive the price of their products UP to revive demand? Come on now, that's ludicrous. Can you actually give any examples of when this has happened on such a scale as the modern game industry?
At most we may see a decrease in game budgets, hopefully in the graphics and technology departments.
At least until a new generation of gamers comes along with the low standards they have and buy them. That's how it works, this has happened before and it will happen again.
I believe they're Nintendo's new target market, known quaintly as casual gamers, which always seems to chime a certain note of irony. Of course some of the hate is well deserved, since many think that this easier market has diverted Nintendo from their real fans who would like a decent game every now and then.
I think everyone got really annoyed when the Nintendo presentation at E3 was seemingly aimed at casual gamers, thus misinterpreting the point of the event.
Your path is ridiculous, you assume that businesses will drive the price of their products UP to revive demand? Come on now, that's ludicrous. Can you actually give any examples of when this has happened on such a scale as the modern game industry?
At most we may see a decrease in game budgets, hopefully in the graphics and technology departments.
It's not about 'reviving demand' it's about the cost:profit ratio.
Producers put their prices up first and only in desperation they lower their prices, but by that time the consumers already lost interest and moved on. I don't assume, I know.
It's not ridiculous, I learned this in economics. And although economics is one of the ugliest sisters of sciences it still makes some good points.
I can't give you a examples based on games because I wasn't around that long, but there's plenty of examples out there for other industries, go search them.
At least until a new generation of gamers comes along with the low standards they have and buy them. That's how it works, this has happened before and it will happen again.
I believe they're Nintendo's new target market, known quaintly as casual gamers, which always seems to chime a certain note of irony. Of course some of the hate is well deserved, since many think that this easier market has diverted Nintendo from their real fans who would like a decent game every now and then.
I think everyone got really annoyed when the Nintendo presentation at E3 was seemingly aimed at casual gamers, thus misinterpreting the point of the event.
Nintendo is the only company who is doing it right.
Their catering to new generations, in the long run this means that they'll have a strong fan base. They did this in their golden era, it's a very smart move. Gaming companies should realize that giving out hand jobs to the hardcore crowd is the biggest mistake there is. In fact you should try to balance out both, and if you're desperate ditch the hardcores and go with the casuals.
Soon you will be paying 60 bucks (or more with the economical crisis) for something that lasts 10 hours. With almost no replay value.
Do you think that's fair?
Sure it's fair, if you payed for it. You should know what you're buying before you buy it. If you think $60 is not a good value for the game you are getting, well nobody is forcing you to buy these products. With all the plethora of reviews, previews, and other sources of information about games these days you have no excuse to not be an informed consumer.
Follow me here.
Over priced games --> Shorter games --> People get pissed off and stop buying games --> Companies are forced to push the prices up in order to keep their business --> People still refuse to buy games --> Industry dies.
At least until a new generation of gamers comes along with the low standards they have and buy them. That's how it works, this has happened before and it will happen again.
History repeats itself.
Your path is ridiculous, you assume that businesses will drive the price of their products UP to revive demand? Come on now, that's ludicrous. Can you actually give any examples of when this has happened on such a scale as the modern game industry?
At most we may see a decrease in game budgets, hopefully in the graphics and technology departments.
Actually he said that they would drive prices up to cover cost not to "revive demand," plus this has happened before within other industries( hint hint Vista), business is business. I just hope that they realize if they want more money then they have to spend some of it to make games better.
Soon you will be paying 60 bucks (or more with the economical crisis) for something that lasts 10 hours. With almost no replay value.
Do you think that's fair?
Sure it's fair, if you payed for it. You should know what you're buying before you buy it. If you think $60 is not a good value for the game you are getting, well nobody is forcing you to buy these products. With all the plethora of reviews, previews, and other sources of information about games these days you have no excuse to not be an informed consumer.
Follow me here.
Over priced games --> Shorter games --> People get pissed off and stop buying games --> Companies are forced to push the prices up in order to keep their business --> People still refuse to buy games --> Industry dies.
At least until a new generation of gamers comes along with the low standards they have and buy them. That's how it works, this has happened before and it will happen again.
History repeats itself.
Your path is ridiculous, you assume that businesses will drive the price of their products UP to revive demand? Come on now, that's ludicrous. Can you actually give any examples of when this has happened on such a scale as the modern game industry?
At most we may see a decrease in game budgets, hopefully in the graphics and technology departments.
Actually he said that they would drive prices up to cover cost not to "revive demand," plus this has happened before within other industries( hint hint Vista), business is business. I just hope that they realize if they want more money then they have to spend some of it to make games better.
Yeah that, I didn't read that revive demand part. I wasn't speaking about that of course I was speaking about keeping in business. Minimizing expenses while maximizing profit.
games are art, and like every other form of art they said "hey, why innovate, when we can just copy someone else!" and executives who dont play games+shareholders being more important than customers... thats also a big one.
Your path is ridiculous, you assume that businesses will drive the price of their products UP to revive demand? Come on now, that's ludicrous. Can you actually give any examples of when this has happened on such a scale as the modern game industry?
At most we may see a decrease in game budgets, hopefully in the graphics and technology departments.
Producers put their prices up first and only in desperation they lower their prices, but by that time the consumers already lost interest and moved on. I don't assume, I know.
It's not ridiculous, I learned this in economics. And although economics is one of the ugliest sisters of sciences it still makes some good points.
I can't give you a examples based on games because I wasn't around that long, but there's plenty of examples out there for other industries, go search them.
You want ME to go look up examples to support your argument?! If you studied economics then surely you have some examples. You don't have to explain them to me, just give me an event/date and I'll read up on it on Wikipedia.
I don't need to support my argument with examples, its logical basis already gives it a very strong point. If you'd like to attack that instead I'd be happy to defend it. If you however are going to throw a hissy fight and wait for examples that I am not aware off then fine, have fun with your tantrum.
Actually he said that they would drive prices up to cover cost not to "revive demand," plus this has happened before within other industries( hint hint Vista), business is business. I just hope that they realize if they want more money then they have to spend some of it to make games better.
Oh wait, someone was kind enough to put one here. A recent one at that.
Their catering to new generations, in the long run this means that they'll have a strong fan base. They did this in their golden era, it's a very smart move. Gaming companies should realize that giving out hand jobs to the hardcore crowd is the biggest mistake there is. In fact you should try to balance out both, and if you're desperate ditch the hardcores and go with the casuals.
I don't hate them for being the only ones to cater to this audience, it doesn't really affect me at all, it's just the wide spread distribution of shod like Wii Music that annoys some people. In fact, it is the very fans picked up during the 'golden era' who are becoming infuriated, so it hardly shows loyalty to them. Maybe 15 years down the line these new fans will be ditched too, in favour of some group which is even easier to sell too.
I've also just realised that you don't need to cater to a younger/older/different audience to create new fans in the games industry. I think we've read far too many stroies of kids playing violent games to believe that there is no appeal to today's youth in the other games available.
I've noticed that it's been buzzing around for quite a long time that gaming is in a doomed plunge which it will not survive, with game becoming worse and companies hating us and blah blah blah. And, in a bid to create a totally unique thread which has only been done 7 times before, I've decided to ask why. Why do people think games are getting worse? Why are you determined to declare that improved graphics, deeper stories and more exciting gameplay are signs of the coming apocalypse?