Never liked CAD from day 1 my favorite was always megatokyo (megatokyo.com) because of the skill he shows in drawing everything by hand, no copy paste clip art type stuff.

Anyways like others have said whats the point in taking time off work for a video game, the people who actyually do take time off just to play a game usually do it for the few days after release not some random day because they feel like it.

No. Creating a holiday about gaming just increases the stereotype around gamers.

Shiuz91:
Ok your new here so I'll try to make this painl- FUCKING RETA- no must show restraint. Ok most people on here do not like CAD so this thread will mostly be about thrashing Buckley and you. So good luck with y-ASSHO- I'm really sorry about that.

P.S. Your picture disturbs me please change it or more people will call you on it.

Wow. Just wow. Calm down!

Back to the topic in hand;

No, I certainly would not do anything for this "holiday" - I play games to often as it is!

It has always been my christmas traition to game myself into a coma during christmas, even befor I heard of CAD. by the way, I don't see why people complain about CAD, it's like their forgeting that it is a FREE comic and that you aren't loosing anything weather it is good or not.

Richard Groovy Pants:

TMAN10112:
It has always been my christmas traition to game myself into a coma during christmas, even befor I heard of CAD. by the way, I don't see why people complain about CAD, it's like their forgeting that it is a FREE comic and that you aren't loosing anything weather it is good or not.

No one's complaining about CAD, they're complaining about Buckley's indulgence into his own derrière.

Actually, John Solomon and Yahtzee were complaining about CAD in our referenced material.

..partly, RAK, and partly they draw on Buckley's insufferable ego in their criticisms.

I'll be celebrating it this year, last year I celebrated it in the first week instead of the last because of exams, this year I only have 2.

Considering the "Winter-een-mas" concept is a gimmick inserted into a webcomic for the sole purpose of giving an egomaniac a chance to live out his fantasies of being crowned the king of gaming and carried on the shoulders of his adoring subjects in a fictional video-game oriented dreamland he himself created for the sole interest of himself, it goes without saying that the very phrase "Winter-een-mas- brings my piss to a boil.

That's the kindest thing I can post here. I'm serious.

I've been wondering something for a while. Why doesn't Scott Kurtz (PvP) get any hate? He's done almost the exact same thing as Buckley for years, complete with slews of emotional sub-plots and a marriage. Is it because CAD is more popular than PvP?

Second order of business: jealousy. Not the traditional kind, with all the "he can do X better than me, and has Y and I don't" jealousy. I'm talking about the popularity of CAD turning so many against Buckley. As far as I can tell, it's the same argument just worded differently. "Buckley is a hack, I hate him, and he doesn't deserve to be this successful."

I think people lash out against this fellow not because his comics are particularly bad, but because people like them. They're angry because they see a discrepancy in his talent-to-popularity balance. Were it a lesser-known comic, I believe people would simply discover that they do not like it, move on, and forget about it. Unfortunately, due to it's absurd popularity, people decide that they are going to hate it instead of simply dismissing it as a form of entertainment or enjoyment that doesn't particularly appeal to them.

PedroSteckecilo:
Beeeeewwwwwaaaaarrreeeeeeeee

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/108-Webcomics

OH! I finally get his reference! I thought he was talking about the XCDK guy, with the stick guys and stuff.

But anyway, holly shit didn't think people hate that Buckly guy who apparantly makes CAD so much. I mean, seriously, there's so much pure hate for this guy it's unbelievable! I don't read CAD that much, every now and again I might look up on it and it's okay.

You know I find the amount of hatred he generates is hilarious

you'd think he's Uwe Boll or Hitler or something.

Ctrl-Alt-Del, like Penny Arcade, is hit or miss. They are also comics of two different formats. Penny Arcade enjoys avoiding "the dreaded continuity" especially because a lot of that doesn't come off too well (Paint the Line = Not as funny as I would've thought). Ctrl-Alt-Del on the other hand is much more story-driven.

And I like both, so at least I learned how to have normal-people reactions.

To be honest, I like ctrl+alt+del. I could care less if the creator is a douche,I still think the comics are funny to read and yes I(and my buddies) will certainly be celebrating Winter-een-mas next January!

Also

Richard Groovy Pants:

Wargamer:
It's really funny how everyone seems to get a boner off of bashing CAD, and telling us all how much more awesome Penny Arcade is, yet Penny Arcade is no better.

I doubt I'll be celebrating Winter-een-mass this year; I play games too much as it is.

Usually Penny Arcade isn't in the array of webcomics I read (VG cats, Explosm) but at least I can see the difference between them, for example, the characters in Penny Arcade actually have expressions on their faces, unlike Ctrl+Alt+Del were everyone seems to have suffered from a stroke.

Penny Arcade also does something better than Ctrl+Alt+Del. They don't give up the joke until the last panel. If you give the joke in the first fucking panel like CAD is known to, then there's no sense in hanging around now is there?

Noone seemed to realise that the maker of that picture collection has obviously gone through the archives looking for people with that expression cos I really dont see it in the comic that much. You know how I know? Because most of those characters are ones that have only appeared once or twice in the history of the comic.

95% of people have no taste in anything whatsoever. Their likes and dislikes are based on what other people like/dislike. I'm willing to bet that even a number of rabid CAD haters on this very forum did read his comic on a regular basis, then saw Yahtzee's little videorant and decided, "Man, if Yahtzee hates him then so do I!".

As for me, I read it and I haven't gotten a laugh out of it in a while. Reading it reinforces my belief that I could easily give up my job and make a killing on the internet, but don't out of sheer bone idleness and the lack of motivation required to create, host and maintain a webpage.

Richard Groovy Pants:

TMAN10112:
*snip*

Yeaaah, I don't think that's going to hold up bud.

From his latest comic!

Vs.

I see the similarities. Do you?
Why can't people admit that what they like have flaws? I don't get it.
You like it? Fine! There's nothing wrong with that and no one will persecute you for it, but at least get the criticism.

I'd be happy to dig in at least some dozens of pages and point out more similarities if you want...

I get the criticism, I see the obvious similarities, and I admit that the comic isn't as good as other webcomics like penny arcade(which I really like), I just don't see why people give it attention by criticising it when they should just not read the comic if they dislike it so much. Expressing a negative opinion is fine, but I'm getting tired of people attaking something they don't like when it dosn't cost them, therefore anything that they find wrong with the comic shouldn't matter to them.

Richard Groovy Pants:
You like it? Fine! There's nothing wrong with that and no one will persecute you for it, but at least get the criticism.

Oh please, you're bullshitting yourself and you know it :P

I thought this was about Winter-Een-Mas, not Tim Buckley and the hate you have for him.

:: Scratches chin. ::

Personally, I'll just play a little more than I usually do thanks to the time off. However, I must say this--

I like Buckley, and I like Yahtzee, and I don't feel the need to justify my liking of one with biased hatred of the other. They might not like each other, you might not like one or both of them, but I enjoy entertainment by itself, not polluted with drama, and it doesn't need to escalate into arguments whenever one or both are mentioned.

kthx :3

Aha! Found it!

This comic and it's commentary on the bottom pretty much sum up my arguments.

Richard Groovy Pants:

meatloaf231:
Aha! Found it!

This comic and it's commentary on the bottom pretty much sum up my arguments.

So all my arguments and gripes I have against his comic fall apart by the fact that I'm 'jealous' of him? That doesn't seem right. I mean I never aspired to be a webcomic writer in my whole life...

And I'm actually partial on this because I sincerely never read CAD. I didn't. I never followed the story, I never saw the drama with the miscarriage comic and I don't follow it now. But, I can see where the problem with CAD lies, if the thing was actually funny and did things right I'd probably read it along with VG cats and explosm.

... Am I the only one who sees the problem with this?

I really didn't intend to get into an argument over this, but I have to...

You, sir, are stupid.

I sincerely never read CAD. I didn't.

if the thing was actually funny and did things right I'd probably read it

So, what you're saying is, even though you've never read it you know it's not funny and doesn't do anything right.

...

This reminds me of when Fox News brought a lady onto the show to talk about Mass Effect after having spent the past few days not playing it, having absolutely no experience on it, and said that it was nothing more than a boobfest targeted at children to corrupt and destroy our society.

RAKtheUndead:
http://badwebcomics.blogspot.com/2007/06/ctrlaltdel.html

This is why certain people hate CAD. Including myself.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Buckley is a boil on the ass of society.

I'll try to get through this with as little "Buckley Bashing" as possible.

I will never celebrate a holiday, created in a crappy web comic, made by that hack, Buckly (yes, that was as little as possible).

If, however, Scott Ramsoomair were to make a gaming holiday in VGcats, I would definitely celebrate it (even if he would say it was one day, then delay it for like, a month).

In Australia we have holidays till February so we can game all we want.

I myself enjoy the comic. I don't really pay attention to the author though. if he is a prick, so what? it does not diminish, in any way, what I get out of the comic. most of what I see here is just Buckly Bashing, and all of it is purposeless. if someone likes the comic, then this will not likely change their opinion on the matter; and like-wise if they do not.
Back on topic, I will be having a small lan party with a few other gamers who like CAD as well. nothing extravagant. but still friggin fun! and that is the whole point. if I have fun with it, then so what? if you don't... then don't try and wreck my fun.

SimuLord:

RAKtheUndead:
http://badwebcomics.blogspot.com/2007/06/ctrlaltdel.html

This is why certain people hate CAD. Including myself.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Buckley is a boil on the ass of society.

You know, I think my original statement applies perfectly to this. People hate him because they think he doesn't deserve to be as successful as he is because his comic is bad. While most likely true, my point stands. It's a webcomic, but it isn't good. He is successful anyways, so people hate him. Just because you find his comic to be not entertaining, suddenly he's a blight on the face of the earth?

Honestly, it's entertainment, and that's where it should end. If it doesn't entertain you, don't read it.

PedroSteckecilo:

Wargamer:
It's really funny how everyone seems to get a boner off of bashing CAD, and telling us all how much more awesome Penny Arcade is, yet Penny Arcade is no better.

I doubt I'll be celebrating Winter-een-mass this year; I play games too much as it is.

Penny Arcade is better for three reasons...

Twisp And Catsby
Paint the Line
The Rainslick Precipice of Darkness

Maybe it's more of a taste thing but Gabe's art and Tycho's writing are constantly evolving whereas Buckley has remained roughly the same for the past couple of years. As well Buckley just has no idea how to pace a joke.

Though mostly it's his attitude that makes me dislike him.

It helps that Gabe and Tycho can put together a hell of a con too.

PedroSteckecilo:
In all seriousness, giving Gaming a holiday makes it feel all weird and cultish. The fact that Buckley seems to take it seriously is worrying.

Now "Pretend to be a Time Traveler Day" on the otherhand is some legitimate awesome.

Yes, it is. The guys from the Historical Pre-enactment Society always have the best costumes.

okay so ive just started reading cad because id heard about it recently and have been unaware of the apparently huge amount of negativity surrounding it. im asking, honestly: why do so many people hate the comic, and why do i see so many people mention the creator specifically:

SimuLord:

RAKtheUndead:
http://badwebcomics.blogspot.com/2007/06/ctrlaltdel.html

This is why certain people hate CAD. Including myself.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Buckley is a boil on the ass of society.

did buckley himself do something people dont like, or is it just people who dont like his comic refer to him instead of the work. i am impartial to the comic and its creator and i really am just curious what all the fuss is about. please give me a serious answer and not "omg he's gay and his comic isnt funny" or "CAD IS FRIGGIN AWESOME."

Well I think it was mainly because Tim Buckley decided to make CAD a more plot/character driven comic instead of a gag comic based around videogames. This in itself is not a bad thing, MegaTokyo started life as a gag comic and made the transition (fairly well, IMO). The problem is that he used all his stock characters as they are, and suddenly expected us to care about them.

Which is almost impossible to do, because there is nothing to care about. The characters were all pretty one dimensional and nothing was done to flesh them out. Ethan also acts in exactly the same sociopathic manner as does/did in the gag strips without care for anyone else. The whole thing felt....odd. Like grinding gears or something. I didn't help that his plot strips were intersperced with gag strips using his plot characters.

As for what happened after, I stopped reading CAD in March (I keep a list of what I am/are not reading, so I know where I'm up to), so I missed the whole miscarriage thing and I'm not particularly game to go back and read it. Before, I read mainly because, even though he has all the faults already mentioned (like dragging out the joke, poor pacing etc.) it was overall amusing and he would occasionally have one that is genuinely funny. I liked his one on the Battlefield 2142 teleport pads, and his observations on America's Army.

But I remain more or less indifferent on him now. The direction he started taking when I stopped was not one I'm fond of, so I don't read it.

As for Winter-een-mas, I thought it was a stupid idea when it first appeared, so no, I won't be playing games more than usual.

I really don't understand...

Don't lots of people get new consoles & games for Christmas anyway? Plus with the general trend of it being a worldwide holiday won't there be a lot of people gaming then, without somebody declaring peen-mas or whatever it is.

Can somebody explain how this thing actually works, or what constitutes celebrating this holiday as opposed to what people usually do at Christmas with new games.

I'll play more than usual during the time this fictional holiday falls on. Not to support the holiday, but rather because it is really fucking cold and I'd rather stay inside.