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Paperboy
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Joined: 15 Nov 2008

You have my sympathies Omindum I dreaded those things especially if i hadn't saved Immediately before hand.

Hidden and Dangerous on the Playstation was impossible although since I was about 8 when I got it it ended up being; run around in the dark for 1 minute, killed by enemy I could not see because everything was pitch black, Repeat until frustrated to the point of putting the game somewhere you never have to see it again and move on to other games.

Copy Clerk
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Joined: 8 May 2008

gamebrain89:

spuddyt:
don't mention mario kart
don't do it

Aww, but that was the first thing that popped into my head. Ok, I am going to say the Canary Mary Race In Banjo-Tooie, in the last world its a freaking pain in the ass to beat, as she doesnt have a set top speed, so if your going mach 1 and blast past her, she immediately steps it up to hyperdrive, and kicks your butt.

damned magic powder why couldn't he be a skooma addict instead they're frail and die easy.

Paperboy
Posts: 30
Joined: 24 Dec 2008

Virtua Fighter 5
Even on "Very Easy" the AI rips me to shreds, and before i get accused of just being shit, fark orf because i dont have this much trouble on any other fighting game lol.

Paperboy
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Joined: 22 Feb 2008

One game I can think of is Soul Caliber 3. I mean sure, some fights are about as hard as heated butter, while others are almost impossible to beat such as Olcadan(spelling) and another evil character (I'm looking at you Abyss!); but the worst part is that I swear that when you loose enough fights it the fight actually seems to get harder, while in other games I think the fight feels easier the more times I try.
I won't say anything about NT because he was made to be almost impossible (and awesome); I mean he can give you a ring out or remove 3/4 of your health in one combo, and don't get me started on that laser (yeah you can sidestep but if you get hit it hurts).

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coffin:
i gotta say im pissed with Oblivion on Xbox 360 i shoot a man in the face with an arrow and he's still coming at me with a huge axe...please explain?

No damages boxes, sry.

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Beat Writer
Posts: 194
Joined: 11 Apr 2008

Been mentioned before.... Mario Cart... nothings better than being 100 yards from the finish line and suddenly being hit by not one, not two, not even 3, but 4 blue shells in a row and going from first to seventh place.

And that's when I opened my gamecube and threw double dash out of the window, I think its still in my back yard somewhere.

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Mr.Pandah:

coffin:
i gotta say im pissed with Oblivion on Xbox 360 i shoot a man in the face with an arrow and he's still coming at me with a huge axe...please explain?

Maybe hes on some drugs? Crack? Cocaine? Speed? Heroine? Who knows man, those guys have their "magic" powder in Oblivion...

Skooma.

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Copy Clerk
Posts: 107
Joined: 30 Aug 2008

I hate The Guild 2 for letting the computer advance much faster than you, and I swear it starts off far richer than you. They breed like rabbits so their offspring gets to nick all the positions of power, mainly because their dad got the position that decides who fills all the other positions, and to anyone who hasn't even heard of The Guild 2 (Which, I'd guess, is just about every non-German person on these forums) is probably incredibly perplexed. But I'll continue my rant anyway, the computer gets more kids, more power, more money and is almost always guaranteed to hate your guts, and because its so powerful it sends its henchmen out to destroy your stuff and lock you in prison. And if you end up in court, even on the smallest charge, they'll make sure you get death (or the closest equivalent) to it

Beat Writer
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Joined: 7 Aug 2008

Pyronox:

Mr.Pandah:

coffin:
i gotta say im pissed with Oblivion on Xbox 360 i shoot a man in the face with an arrow and he's still coming at me with a huge axe...please explain?

Maybe hes on some drugs? Crack? Cocaine? Speed? Heroine? Who knows man, those guys have their "magic" powder in Oblivion...

Skooma.

Haha, you beat me to it.

On topic: every racing game ever made. AI drivers get a speed boost when they are too far behind. Pisses me off because even if you drive perfect for the entire race, you know at the last corner you're going to snag a plastic bag drifting across the street and crash. God forbid the opponents ever make a mistake.

Muckraker
Posts: 307
Joined: 19 Jan 2008

Cookietaker:
In the beginning of Fallout 3 and it takes 5 something bullets to take a guy down at point blank range.

Yea, I think this is a more generic problem, though. If you get hit in the head you don't die either - so it is not exactly cheating. But I do know what you mean - and it is not just in the beginning of Fallout. You can put a couple of 3-round bursts from an assault rifle into somebody's unprotected face, and they keep coming!

Find the alien blaster (I missed it myself) - apparently that is the best weapon in the game.

However, in most FPS games enemies are usually is much more durable unless you install a "realism" mod which basically guarantees one shot one kill.

Muckraker
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Joined: 19 Jan 2008

Zetona:
Far Cry 2. If you drive away from an enemy base, no matter which car you are driving, the enemy car will catch up to yours and then hang with you until you stop.

Nah, that's not cheating - you can get away from them. The top speed of all the cars in that game is the same. What's really annoying is that EVERY SINGLE GUY you meet outside of a town will try to kill you!

Now Crysis cheats - unless you have stealth on the enemy soldiers will see you in the thickest brush in complete darkness!

Pulitzer Laureate
Posts: 898
Joined: 24 Sep 2008

Soul Calibur IV, Tower of Lost Souls anyone? Here's four enemies who drain health from you to them as you fight, no pause or health refills between fights have fun.

To make it worse most of the games custom items are unlocked throught the Tower of Lost Souls.

Copy Clerk
Posts: 120
Joined: 17 Sep 2008

The random freaking shot gun guy while playing GTA4 and your about to die... EVERY, DAMN...TIME

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 13 Jul 2008

In Guild Wars, the AI can interrupt a spell that takes 1/4 second to cast with an arrow that takes 1/4 seconds to fire plus air time. Do the math.

Press Junketeer
Posts: 484
Joined: 19 Nov 2008

Railu:

On topic: every racing game ever made. AI drivers get a speed boost when they are too far behind. Pisses me off because even if you drive perfect for the entire race, you know at the last corner you're going to snag a plastic bag drifting across the street and crash. God forbid the opponents ever make a mistake.

Simple way to avoid that, play Trackmania :p (the ai is in fact there just to give you something to race against to get a certain medal time, and thus will always be the same so no cheating)

Infamous Scribbler
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Elim Garak:

Zetona:
Far Cry 2. If you drive away from an enemy base, no matter which car you are driving, the enemy car will catch up to yours and then hang with you until you stop.

Nah, that's not cheating - you can get away from them. The top speed of all the cars in that game is the same. What's really annoying is that EVERY SINGLE GUY you meet outside of a town will try to kill you!

Now Crysis cheats - unless you have stealth on the enemy soldiers will see you in the thickest brush in complete darkness!

Enemies in FC2 also have ridiculous sight lines, and they instantly recognize you as an enemy no matter what you do. Plus, they have too-good aim with shotguns.

Infamous Scribbler
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whyarecarrots:

Railu:

On topic: every racing game ever made. AI drivers get a speed boost when they are too far behind. Pisses me off because even if you drive perfect for the entire race, you know at the last corner you're going to snag a plastic bag drifting across the street and crash. God forbid the opponents ever make a mistake.

Simple way to avoid that, play Trackmania :p (the ai is in fact there just to give you something to race against to get a certain medal time, and thus will always be the same so no cheating)

Trackmania is awesome.
There is no way to cheat in that game, unless a shortcut has been built into the track. But yeah, all the CPU opponents are ghosts and not AI-controlled.

(Probably should have combined these two posts into one...)

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 11 Nov 2008

spuddyt:
don't mention mario kart
don't do it

HARDEST COURSE !!

HARDEST DIFFICULTY !!

PLAYING AS LUIGI !!!

DOING ALRIGHT FIRST 2 LAPS !!

GET TO THIRD LAP AND ONLY 4 SECONDS AWAY FROM FINISH LINE !!

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BLUE SHELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DAM YOU PEACH !!!!!!!!!

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1521
Joined: 5 Jul 2008

King of Fighters, Fatal Fury...

Pretty much every fighter SNK ever made has bosses that are so obviously cheating.

Even SSF2T's Akuma or SF3's Gill has nothing on Rugal, Geese or Krizalid when it comes to plain ol' cheating.

Press Junketeer
Posts: 484
Joined: 19 Nov 2008

Zetona:

whyarecarrots:

Railu:

On topic: every racing game ever made. AI drivers get a speed boost when they are too far behind. Pisses me off because even if you drive perfect for the entire race, you know at the last corner you're going to snag a plastic bag drifting across the street and crash. God forbid the opponents ever make a mistake.

Simple way to avoid that, play Trackmania :p (the ai is in fact there just to give you something to race against to get a certain medal time, and thus will always be the same so no cheating)

Trackmania is awesome.
There is no way to cheat in that game, unless a shortcut has been built into the track. But yeah, all the CPU opponents are ghosts and not AI-controlled.

(Probably should have combined these two posts into one...)

Sometimes shortcuts are unintentional, although those are generally only on tracks made by inexperienced people (ie, one of my friends who'd only made a few tracks before).

But yes, it is an awesome game; not at all realistic, but wonderfully ridiculous at times, and great fun.

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1151
Joined: 7 Dec 2008

ALL of the Nintendo sports games. No explanation needed.

Trist66:

Zetona:
Far Cry 2. If you drive away from an enemy base, no matter which car you are driving, the enemy car will catch up to yours and then hang with you until you stop.

this

Oh my god, don't even talk about that.

Copy Clerk
Posts: 89
Joined: 27 Dec 2008

COD2 on Veteran.

Nazi's will shoot you and only you, no matter where you are or what's going on. If they can see you (hell, even if they can't) they will shoot you.

I'm so damned glad I beat the sumbitch.

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1462
Joined: 20 Mar 2008

For those wondering what the TC means with "trope", it's Tvtropes.
Great website, but don't read it too much because you'll waste days reading everything.(the entry about cheating AI is here)

To give my most recent experience with cheating AI:

While trying to get a "no-hit" TAS* of some SNES fighting game(can't remember the name) on the highest difficulty, I had to reload every action 15-60 times because the computer hit me with a slightly faster attack, or it just skipped a few frames of the animation to get the first hit, or it dodged a few frames before my attack hit, or it did the same ranged attack.
I did get a no-hit completion, but only because I abused a programming error that caused the AI to ignore or miss my jumps/jumping attacks. I deleted the video because nobody wants to see a video of someone finishing an entire game with only jumping attacks.(would've been interesting to watch if every fight wasn't exactly the same "jumping attack > jump back > repeat")

gamebrain89:

spuddyt:
don't mention mario kart
don't do it

Aww, but that was the first thing that popped into my head. Ok, I am going to say the Canary Mary Race In Banjo-Tooie, in the last world its a freaking pain in the ass to beat, as she doesnt have a set top speed, so if your going mach 1 and blast past her, she immediately steps it up to hyperdrive, and kicks your butt.

Rubberband AI, almost the cheapest form of fake difficulty a developer can add to make the game more difficult.(if you don't press anything during that Canary Mary race, you should always win)
Only pure cheating is worse.(Mario Kart's item distribution, RTS AI seeing the entire map without fog of war, and Mario Party where the AI will roll better when they're losing are very obvious examples)

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 3234
Joined: 10 Nov 2007

Onmi:
RTS Games in general, the computer LITERALLY CHEATS on the harder difficulties.

Usually that's because it's actually a bit rubbish. Sure, the computer has frighteningly good micro skills, but it's generally got all the tactical ingenuity of cabbage.

Infamous Scribbler
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GloatingSwine:

Onmi:
RTS Games in general, the computer LITERALLY CHEATS on the harder difficulties.

Usually that's because it's actually a bit rubbish. Sure, the computer has frighteningly good micro skills, but it's generally got all the tactical ingenuity of cabbage.

The higher difficulty is not them actually being better, it's just them getting more resources than you at the start.

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 4610
Joined: 25 Feb 2008

conqueror Kenny:
Ned for speed: Underground I think it was. If you were too far ahead of the other cars in a race the game would actually make them catch up to you! Apparently it causes a "More tense race." Well it caused me to sell it.

That game would also cause you to have random unavoidable crashes if you were too far in thelead. Usually on the last junction of the last lap from an angle you couldn't possibly have anticipated or avoided. Having driven a perfect race up until then.
That's why I sent it back.

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 10 Nov 2007

vxicepickxv:
The higher difficulty is not them actually being better, it's just them getting more resources than you at the start.

Among other things. Faster build times, ignoring build prerequisites, any one of a number of completely cheating cheats...

I used to piss about designing Starcraft maps for my own wee campaign, and it pretty soon became clear that if the AI didn't have infinite resources it would simply grind to a halt against any reasonable turtle player. (Even with infinite resources it would take years for the AI to crack a decent turtle shell, as I said, tactical ingenuity of cabbage).

Press Junketeer
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Joined: 25 Sep 2008

The Hardiest difficulty on Gears 2 cheats... NPC bots in the Single player go out of their way just to aim for me rather then my comrades, perfect example was the level with all the tickers. Three tickers, not one or two but three freaking tickers ran past Carmine, Thai, and Dom and went straight for me!..What the butt..

I also tried to explore the DC ruins once at level two in Fallout 3, ever tried to kill a Super Mutant Brute at level two with no guns skill and a 10mm pistol? Best i got was Crippling his head... CRIPPLED HIS HEAD, I'm sorry but if you've had your head crippled i doubt you're able to chase me at full speed with a piece of wood and beat me to death.

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1871
Joined: 11 Jun 2008

Motorstorm... you can push another driver off of a cliff and run perfect laps but the asshole will still be on your tail waiting to pass you up as soon as you drift out a little too hard on the next turn.

Clearly rubberbanding AI to compensate for poor driving AI.

Beat Writer
Posts: 219
Joined: 21 Feb 2008

The older Hitman games: A lone guard could spot you with a gun out, you kill him before he can say 'boo' and yet suddenly every guard on the map knows how you are and where to find you.

Even as recent as Blood Money, the game cheats. Get into a fight with a bad guy (actual bad guy not some cop or private security), run away and stand infront of a cop, watch as bad guy runs over and starts shooting you infront of cop, so obviously you must be evil and the cop joins in!

Gone Gonzo
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Joined: 5 Jan 2009

Lu Bu in Dynasty Warriors 6. Two hits from beating him and he breaks out his insta-kill musou :/

Anonymous Source
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Zetona:

Elim Garak:

Zetona:
Far Cry 2. If you drive away from an enemy base, no matter which car you are driving, the enemy car will catch up to yours and then hang with you until you stop.

Nah, that's not cheating - you can get away from them. The top speed of all the cars in that game is the same. What's really annoying is that EVERY SINGLE GUY you meet outside of a town will try to kill you!

Now Crysis cheats - unless you have stealth on the enemy soldiers will see you in the thickest brush in complete darkness!

Enemies in FC2 also have ridiculous sight lines, and they instantly recognize you as an enemy no matter what you do. Plus, they have too-good aim with shotguns.

Not only that but it's a pain that u need to take a bullet or something out when ur in red and always under fire yet not just freaking heal urself

Paperboy
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Joined: 4 Jan 2009

I have to agree with you on football manager.. I went into the editor once, just for fun, and transferred a load of huge professional football stars, Messi, Ronaldo, Casillas, Xavi.. the lot, to my Leeds, in LEAGUE ONE! I won the first 5 games, then started losing against crappy semi-professional teams. I changed my tactics and tried everything, but in spite of my team having about 150 shots on goal compared to the opposing sides 2, they still managed to win 2-1. Thats when I gave up on manager games...

Gone Gonzo
Posts: 1351
Joined: 22 Aug 2008

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. : SoC and CS.

the AI is extremely unforgiving at times. Especially at the Chernobyl NPP.

Pulitzer Laureate
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It's rather annoying playing versus mode in Left 4 Dead with computers as the survivors. If you're on the infected team, they can see you through trees, gates, shadows, etc from all the way across the room, field, or whatever. They also have magic accuracy that allows them to kill you from that distance as well.

I do have to say that most fighting games prove to be the most infuriating by far. Especially when the computers pull off ridiculous combos that are impossible to block, but when you try to do them, they suddenly become totally ineffective.

Edit: Actually, the damage physics in CS:S piss me off more than anything. Since when does a shot to the head from a shotgun not kill someone?

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