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On the Record  Posts: 5945 Joined: 7 Feb 2008    | I don't bash "casual" gamers or even casual game design, I bash lazy or cheap money titles and the people who buy them. There's nothing wrong with wanting a more accessible experience. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
Amen to that! It's a shame the rest of the internet hasn't caught up to your thinking yet. User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 772 Joined: 25 Jun 2008     | Its because the reviewers tell them that nintendo is 'casual' and so they hate casual games. Its a matter of popularity. Because Mario Kart is casual but other racing games with the same basic premise are not. Because Metroid prime 3 where you have set hit points and have to think though puzzles is casual but Halo 3 where you wander around a liner path like DOOM and use regenerative shields is not. Because Smash bros is a futile attempt at pure button mashery but Street fighter 4 is not. Long story short its all a matter of people not understanding the lack of difference between the two and following the game industry blindly. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 3367 Joined: 28 Jun 2008   |
That threw me for a good few minutes. Man, I need some sugar. Anyway, if you want a hardcore game try playing ARMA. Although that is ridiculously hard. I think casual games are described as those that can be playable on a phone? I don't dislike them though, they keep my hands busy when I'm away from the computer. |
On the Record  Posts: 5484 Joined: 13 Aug 2008   | I don't bash casual games, I bash bad games. There are some "casual" games that I love, like Peggle and Insaniquarium, but there are some that I despise like Diner Dash and cell phone games in general because they're not fun in my opinion. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1980 Joined: 5 Jun 2008  | Maybe most people are not into these games, well I have no interest. I don't have problems with casuals though, I have other issues. What hardcore games are we comparing too anyway? |
BANNED  Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 | I don't have a problem with Casual gamers, I have a problem with casual gamers who think they are hardcore. Not getting where I'm going with this? Here's a clue. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
On the Record Posts: 5484 Joined: 13 Aug 2008 |
That hurt my soul... |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 772 Joined: 25 Jun 2008 |
Yes, but the people in that video sum up about 95% of the people who call themselves 'hardcore' |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 96 Joined: 31 Dec 2008     |
I hear that! Casual games can sometimes be good...but mainly it's just bad games that deserve a good pounding! :P |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 676 Joined: 22 Dec 2008     |
Aw man, there's no point to the game, and you NEVER run out of the goin' back in time potion! It's like mario in the future! EDIT: Shoot, I should try to contribute somehow. What IS the definition of a hardcore game? Is metal gear solid a hardcore game? is Alien Hominid hardcore? This has never made sense to me, I just play games that I like, whether they fall into one arbitrarily decided category or another. However, if I had to name a company that does exactly the most horrible thing possible: Tons of the same game in a different setting over and over with little thought put into it. THIS is what is horrible these days. |
On the Record Posts: 5945 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 |
There's a difference between Casual and Idiot though, there can be Idiotic Hardcore gamers as well, just look at the IGN or Gamespot forums. Hell, just post either a "Halo Suck" or "Halo Rocks" thread and watch them turn out in DROVES. People "like that" do not deserve our respect at all, hardcore OR casual. |
BANNED Posts: 12958 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
And thats largely who I hate. The people who are hardcore about gaming are the people who are emotionally invested in gaming, who actually look foward to its successes in becoming widely recognised as an artistic medium (odds are next year will do it, one way or another), who genuinely hate the behaviour of scaremongering pricks who try to tar us all with the same brush as some kids who were neglected and went insane. Basically, the people on this site. User was banned for: Poll: What is your opinion on the Metal Gear Solid storylines?. (Permanent) |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 857 Joined: 24 Mar 2008    | Again with the "casual games / gamers" being bashed. Where the hell are you guys getting this from? It is so false, one Core gamer says he doesn't really go for peggle because after two hours he'd rather see a giant pyrotechnic laden cutscene that makes him (or her) feel like he hasn't been sitting around doing nothing for two hours. The core gamer who loves peggle as the next great gaming innovation cries foul, another casual gamer hater. Note: "casual gamers" posting on this forum, your participation in the non casual activity of discussing video games on a video game forum makes it so that you are no longer "casual" in your gaming by definition. Honestly, casual gamers don't give a rat's ass about what core gamers say or think, not because they are self centered and uncaring, but because they are not privy to these thoughts and wouldn't even bother with them if they were flouted in their face, it wouldn't matter to them, casual gamers don't really think of themselves as gamers so the assumption would be you're referring to someone else. Again, if you consider yourself a definably "casual gamer" in describing your gaming niche you are not casual. So pffft on the sheer pointless point of the thread. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 2184 Joined: 12 Oct 2007  | The distinction is worthless when it comes to users, what it really is an exscuse for is crappy software. If I happen to have alot of windows open Windows' window management sucks ass period the fact that I have more than four windows open at a time does not make me a "power user" it just means that Microsoft's methodology sucks. The same is true when it comes to game software, "casual" has become all but synonymous with low quality shovelware. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1409 Joined: 19 Nov 2008    | I don't really get what the big deal is about. Okay, I like Gears of War, Halo and Guitar Hero. I also like Psychonauts, Okami and Viewtiful Joe. All of these games sit comfortably togethor on my games rack. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 968 Joined: 9 Oct 2007   | Casual games are frequently criticized because the large majority of them are complete and utter crap. For every Boom Blox or great Tower Defense flash game, you get 500 different Babiez, Mario Cricket, and Super Fun Time at the Beach Mini-Game Collection games. Casual gamers are also criticized because a large majority of them have the consumerist sheep mentality. They happily eat up all the shit infested games they can without taking time out to actually find out if the game is good or not. They will blindly follow any trend or gimmick without question. |
On the Record  Posts: 6198 Joined: 31 Dec 2008   | That video hurt me |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1083 Joined: 11 May 2008   | There's only one casual gamer i'll ever bash... And she's my older sister. She had her boyfriend get a Wii for christmas, wants him to buy all this crap shovelware for the machine...Bitched when the guitar for guitar hero she bought for her was both A.) not a drum kit, and B.) yellow which she suddenly hates...And she has no idea about any of the crap she's making the guy buy. She wanted him to get Wii Music for heaven's sake, and thats when i let her have it... ...idiot... |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1905 Joined: 9 Sep 2008   | I still don't see the point of this thread. I play Bloodsplosion Goresplatterfest 13 and I play Pinky's Party Puzzles and enjoy them both. Anyone who has a problem with people who don't like the same games as them, raise your hand. I'll casually crack open your skull and feast upon the goo inside. That's hardcore. |
Paperboy  Posts: 16 Joined: 2 Nov 2008   | I go from playing "hardcore" games like Command & Conquer, Guitar Hero, StepMania and other "hardcore" games like those to playing casual games like Inspheration, Luxor, Solitaire, the After Dark Games compilation and even the occasional(not sp, I know) game of Diner Dash quite frequently. I play casual games because to be quite frank, they're freaking fun. For me, if a game entertains me, I'll play it for hours. It doesn't matter what it is, it's just the matter if I want to play it or not, and if it's fun for me. Hell, if you go by the very definition of casual games (simple, jump right in, typically puzzle), Tetris is the casual game. You'd be hard-pressed to find someone that hasn't played it. What "hardcore" gamer (the ones like Soulja Boy and his ilk) would be willing to admit that, though? :P |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1065 Joined: 27 Aug 2008   | ^^ Thanks to Kimosaber for claiming Guitar Hero is a hardcore game. This is the perfect example I was looking for. Can you not see the retarded nature of your statement? A game where you press colours at the right time and pretend you're playing an instrument instead of actually doing something useful and playing an ACTUAL instrument. Yeah man, that's not casual in the slightest! Self titled "Hardcore gamers" typically have no idea what they're on about and the fact that they call themselves that is them over-compensating in an effort to fit in with all the other "hardcore gamers" and sit shooting each other on FPS' all day long. Just like those pricks who've played something online for 10 minutes and then run around shouting "NOOB NOOB NOOB DIRTY FUCKING NOOB!" etc. PS: Don't worry dude, you're not the first person to claim a colour matching game is 'Hard-fucking-core' and you certainly won't be the last. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1243 Joined: 11 Jan 2008 |
Agreed, if it were quality casual games like Worms, Bust a Move, Pro Pinball, I think it's acceptable. It's when I see members of my family pay £29.99 on a cheaply made casual game when they could get a better one for cheaper when I get driven up the wall.
Yeah, my mum just bought my little sister that. Fantastic looking front cover artwork. Cheapo game that's so far nothing more than sub games of hit the right notes at the right time. She got bored of it within 10 minutes. Bye bye £39.99. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 886 Joined: 14 May 2008   | I don't hate "casual gamers" (placed within quote marks for safety purposes). I hate what's happend to the industry in the name of casual gamers; in other words, what's happend to Nintendo. I don't personally own a Wii, but I know at least one person who has bought a different console becuase the supply of decent games on the Wii has dried up. It seems to me though, that all the "casual gamers" really need is a game with short load times where you can save anywhere. Then they will be able to 'dip in and out' as much as they want. Then again, the people who say casual gamers want that are the same ones who claim console gamers want instant gratification gaming, so their opinion is probably worthless. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 100 Joined: 30 Jan 2008 |
PS: your post makes you look like a massive douchebag. |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1065 Joined: 27 Aug 2008 |
Nice come back......wait.......I wasn't talking to you.........oh I see, hit a nerve did I? Another 'hard-core-gamer' puts me in my place it seems. |
BANNED Posts: 4378 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
The point is that Bloodsplosion Goresplatterfest 13 is just as much of a casual game as Pinky's Party Puzzles and a lot of people who don't realize this, play the former game and make fun of those who play the latter game (not you). User was banned for: Microsoft and the World Domination of Gaming&Communication. (Permanent) |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1207 Joined: 17 Oct 2008   |
He's right though, that did make you like a massive douchebag, as did that last one. Jeez i'd think by the time someone has narly reached gonzo they would stop with petty little attacks like that. So in his defence; See heres the thing, guitar hero isnt a sterotypical casual game, its a normal game thats acesssable, and one with a hardcore difficalty setting. Just because the nature of the game is simple doesnt suddenly put it below anything else, its a test of dexterity, physical skill and timing, which puts it up there with any sport. If you strip away hardcore FPSs it usually doesnt boil down to much more than that, sure theres an element of tactics but for most of them it really is minimal and if your're really looking for tactics you're in the wrong genre. Also the logic in "...pretend you're playing an instrument instead of actually doing something useful and playing an ACTUAL instrument. Yeah man, that's not casual in the slightest!" falls flat on its face. How about instead of a hardcore FPS you do something usefull like pick up a real gun for the service of your country instead of using a drastically simplified version with all elements of danger removed, you know like guitar hero does ¬_¬. Besides i'd argue that in simply 'playing' a guitar there is no more merit than playing a fake one, its only when you do something artistic with it that in starts to be at all worth the halo you've given it. You realise he didnt even call himself a hardcore gamer, right? *points to the 2nd line of your post* |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1331 Joined: 22 Oct 2008 |
Ditto. I play Peggle with my mom when we go out to restaurants and stuff, but I'm really not a fan of the EA sports type of games. I suppose I wouldn't be so down on them if they didn't $60 per title. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1515 Joined: 5 Jul 2008    | So the fact that I play Gary Grigsby's strategy games gives me a pass to bash casual gamers? Excellent! When can I start the bashing? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 595 Joined: 19 Jan 2008  | What else is videogaming BUT casual? I like videogames because I like relaxing and because I have enough free time and money to indulge it. It's not a vocation, and "hardcore" gamers tend to be those that have a little TOO much free time. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1209 Joined: 13 Dec 2007   | I've always thought of hardcore gamers as being the ones who are insanely skilled, and play in tournaments for games like Starcraft, Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike, Counter-Strike, etc. The sort of people who are capable of pulling off stuff like this: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=pS5peqApgUA&feature=related and this |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 71 Joined: 31 Dec 2008   | While simulation games are the epitome of the 'hardcore' game, I don't think that means every so called 'hardcore' gamer is going to like them, unless they are obsessed with realism and have Joysticks and love to memorize a dozen keyboard shortcuts. Or spend as much time looking at the manual as playing the game. I think Casual games have potential, they are supposed to be easy to understand and also you can pick up and play them for any period of time without a serious time investment. If they are fun and the game play has enough long term depth to keep someone interested I think this is stellar game design. However like others have pointed out, the Casual market is a breeding ground for bad games, because uneducated people (about games) will buy something for their kid as a gift just because it has a cool box or is based on a popular movie or franchise (this is one of the worst offenders). Casual gamers are hated on the internet, but I think the Hardcore gamers are looked down upon in the real world, because they are seen as having too much free time, or that they should be doing something else with that time. That sentiment comes from non-gamers of course. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 456 Joined: 16 Nov 2008  | What most people wont realize is, most people who are "casuals" mostly play games like NFS, Halo or others What i consider a casula are like a friend of mine I played Fallout 3 at his house, and he told me all the time to "skip the fucking dialouge" ^^ |
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...Why aren't those who so often bash the aforementioned playing games like this?
Or this?
Or for something really recent, this?
Since this forum (and so many others) is so obsessed with the casual and hardcore dichotomy, discuss (and wax nostalgic about) other actual hardcore games.
Me? I'm still looking for my Falcon 3.0 floppy disks :D