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Book details how Sony paid for Xbox 360 dev, let Microsoft borrow its car, acted like a doormat

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Sorry for the stolen title, but damn, Engadget's headline was just too good.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/01/book-details-how-sony-paid-for-xbox-360-dev-let-microsoft-borro/

This year we've seen the PS3's Cell processor pitch in and help break the petaflop barrier, exploit a major security hole in SSL encryption and enable adolescent hijinks on PlayStation Home. Obviously, this is one serious piece of kit. According to The Race For A New Game Machine, written by two of the folks responsible for designing the thing, the Cell (a partnership between Toshiba, Sony and IBM) was the product of a deal that opened the door to IBM selling key parts of the chip to Microsoft before they had even finished building it -- even though this was clearly not part of the plan. Essentially, Sony's R&D money was spent creating a component for their rival, helping the Xbox 360 make its launch date of November 2005, while the PlayStation 3 was pushed back a full year. It seems somewhat fitting that the troubled game system should have such dysfunctional origins, no?

...Hot damn, I thought the AMD/ATI merger and the subsequent Intel motherboards supporting CrossFire and not Nvidia was filled with juicy drama.

Although I guess it's also fitting that the Xbox 360 has had its fair share of problems when it comes to production :]:[

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LOL all I can think of, is that Karma bite sony in the butt. Since the playstation was orginally a partner between nintendo and sony before they basical took it all for themselves.

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Shamtee:
LOL all I can think of, is that Karma bite sony in the butt. Since the playstation was orginally a partner between nintendo and sony before they basical took it all for themselves.

That is not as clear cut as you say. Both Sony and Nintendo fucked over Phillips. Nintendo went one way, Sony went the other.

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Wow, Sony just hasn't been doing well this generation, eh?

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So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

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Eggo:
Although I guess it's also fitting that the Xbox 360 has had its fair share of problems when it comes to production :]:[

Given the 360's 'excellent' reliability and all the money it's made for Microsoft (all $6billion), does anyone else think this was a clever triple cross by the people at Sony.

"Our chips not ready yet, it runs but not properly. I know, let's get IBM to sell the component to Microsoft, we know they they need them. Microsoft never test anything, they'll put it on sale, it won't work and we can clean up once we've got our system working properly..."
I realise that's probably not what happened, but it's a thought.

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Shamtee:
LOL all I can think of, is that Karma bite sony in the butt. Since the playstation was orginally a partner between nintendo and sony before they basical took it all for themselves.

You've got it wrong, Nintendo back stabbed Sony by going with Philips (under contract I may add) and Sony just decided to use what they had to make the PlayStation.

But anyway, I find this halarious even though I might not get exactly what's going on. Still funny though :D

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Why would anyone want to read a whole book about this?

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fix-the-spade:

Eggo:
Although I guess it's also fitting that the Xbox 360 has had its fair share of problems when it comes to production :]:[

all the money it's made for Microsoft (all $6billion)

where'd you hear that? I know the RROD fiasco (what with needing to repair and replace free of charge ) has lost microsoft $700 million, and that each console sells at a loss, so how can they make any money from it?

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Indigo_Dingo:
Why would anyone want to read a whole book about this?

I'd probably find it interesting to be honest.

Engineers probably say the same about us, "why would anyone want to paly blah blah" insert insipid comment here.

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y8c616:
where'd you hear that? I know the RROD fiasco (what with needing to repair and replace free of charge ) has lost microsoft $700 million, and that each console sells at a loss, so how can they make any money from it?

Find yourself a dictionary, Sarcasm and Irony, look them up my good man.

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Indigo_Dingo:
Why would anyone want to read a whole book about this?

Afraid the book contains some of Sony's biggest failures?

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SuperFriendBFG:

Indigo_Dingo:
Why would anyone want to read a whole book about this?

Afraid the book contains some of Sony's biggest failures?

So its their fault Microaoft are completely unethical?

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This book may the most interestingly written book about something I find quite boring. Hmm, one of my friends is going to buy it, I'll just borrow his copy.

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Danny Ocean:
So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

Sadly, in a lot of cases, you'd be right.

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Indigo_Dingo:

SuperFriendBFG:

Indigo_Dingo:
Why would anyone want to read a whole book about this?

Afraid the book contains some of Sony's biggest failures?

So its their fault Microaoft are completely unethical?

Yes cause it was Microsoft who made up their own movie reviewer and told us all that any sort of music ripping was theft.

No wait.

Just saying this is a complete "glass house" situation.

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This is like a history book on the Console Wars...

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AceDiamond:

Indigo_Dingo:

SuperFriendBFG:

Indigo_Dingo:
Why would anyone want to read a whole book about this?

Afraid the book contains some of Sony's biggest failures?

So its their fault Microaoft are completely unethical?

Yes cause it was Microsoft who made up their own movie reviewer and told us all that any sort of music ripping was theft.

No wait.

I wasn't aware that any of this was actually relevant to Microsoft actively stealing someone elses tech, but what you listed really pales in comparison to PAYG computing.

Edit: And if its the context of a brand again, I am forced to bring out IBM and the Nazis.

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Danny Ocean:
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Oh horh horh hoorh.

This made me laugh a lot more than perhaps it should have.

I generally don't care about stuff like this but the inner fan boy in me is pretty chuffed knowing Sony willingly shot themselves in the foot with a gianormous knife launcher just for all the gear I've bought from them that shat itself and died as soon as the warranty expired.

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I've always said that the Cell and the Xenon have more similarities with each other (both are based on the Power architecture for one) than the Xenon and the PC have. Interestingly, the biggest loser here has been Apple: IBM spent their resources on console processors and their interest in delivering, say, a version of G5 that works properly with laptops diminished.

But who'da thunk Sony would do all the mistakes Nintendo made almost a decade earlier?

Indigo_Dingo:
I wasn't aware that any of this was actually relevant to Microsoft actively stealing someone elses tech...

In this case, no stealing (or anything illegal) had actually been done. Sony had agreed that IBM would eventually sell the Cell to other clients, but they hadn't thought of the possibility that IBM would sell key parts of the tech before it's done.

Also, yes, MS has horrible practices but anyone who thinks Sony (or Nintendo) is any better is fooling themselves.

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Indigo_Dingo:

SuperFriendBFG:

Indigo_Dingo:
Why would anyone want to read a whole book about this?

Afraid the book contains some of Sony's biggest failures?

So its their fault Microaoft are completely unethical?

Pardon my intrusion, but I've seen far more "unethical".

If Microsoft is unethical, Apple is the nazi empire and sony is well.. their japanese friends...

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Pyronox:

Pardon my intrusion, but I've seen far more "unethical".

Microsoft is unethical

there i fixed that for you, they ARE unethical, they've been convicted of it several times by a few different courts

like i've said about this console war, no matter who "wins", IBM is the only real winner

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Pyronox:

Pardon my intrusion, but I've seen far more "unethical".

Microsoft is unethical

there i fixed that for you, they ARE unethical, they've been convicted of it several times by a few different courts

like i've said about this console war, no matter who "wins", IBM is the only real winner

Whos fault is it if someone sells you something they stole? Gee, I don't know, maybe the guy that sold it to you in the first place?

Just because you've been convicted to court doesn't mean shit. Sony fuxed Microsoft because of a NAME for their video format, and Apple went whining to the court cause Microsoft actually had success and achieved quasi-monopoly.

K?

K.

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Blair Bennett:

Danny Ocean:
So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

Sadly, in a lot of cases, you'd be right.

Especially the accent...

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Pyronox:

Whos fault is it if someone sells you something they stole?

Eh, IBM didn't really steal anything. Just sneaky business on their part. The Cell mostly IBM designed as is the Xenon.

Like I said, Sony knew IBM was going to sell the Cell processor to other clients, but Sony didn't anticipate them selling key parts of it before the thing was even complete. No actual breaching of contract happened, as I understand it, since Sony didn't even think a situation like this would even happen.

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Eggo:
Although I guess it's also fitting that the Xbox 360 has had its fair share of problems when it comes to production :]:[

Given the 360's 'excellent' reliability and all the money it's made for Microsoft (all $6billion), does anyone else think this was a clever triple cross by the people at Sony.

"Our chips not ready yet, it runs but not properly. I know, let's get IBM to sell the component to Microsoft, we know they they need them. Microsoft never test anything, they'll put it on sale, it won't work and we can clean up once we've got our system working properly..."
I realise that's probably not what happened, but it's a thought.

Obviously that's not what happened, because Sony is losing money with every console sold, and hasn't enough exclusives to turn a lot of core 360 players to Sony.

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fedpayne:

Blair Bennett:

Danny Ocean:
So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

Sadly, in a lot of cases, you'd be right.

Especially the accent...

Especially the accent!

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Blair Bennett:

fedpayne:

Blair Bennett:

Danny Ocean:
So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

Sadly, in a lot of cases, you'd be right.

Especially the accent...

Especially the accent!

-ESPECIALLY- the accent!!

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TsunamiWombat:

Blair Bennett:

fedpayne:

Blair Bennett:

Danny Ocean:
So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

Sadly, in a lot of cases, you'd be right.

Especially the accent...

Especially the accent!

-ESPECIALLY- the accent!!

In fact, without said accent, I don't think that statement is quite complete.

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Blair Bennett:

TsunamiWombat:

Blair Bennett:

fedpayne:

Blair Bennett:

Danny Ocean:
So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

Sadly, in a lot of cases, you'd be right.

Especially the accent...

Especially the accent!

-ESPECIALLY- the accent!!

In fact, without said accent, I don't think that statement is quite complete.

I concur gentlemen, the accent is crucial.

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Yes, they will prevail!!!

...as soon as they learn how to drop prices.

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ansem1532:

Lil_Hank93:
I lurves Sony! They shall prevail!

Yes, they will prevail!!!

...as soon as they learn how to drop prices.

And as soon as they fix mah ps3! >.<

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Danny Ocean:
So? Zis iz, az zey zay, buzzinez.

Oh horh horh hoorh.

Is that supposed to be Ubisoft commentary?

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Sony obviously invented the Red Ring!

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