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Copy Clerk  Posts: 79 Joined: 25 Dec 2008     | |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 404 Joined: 7 May 2008     | If you think it needs to be ended, please tell us why. If I were a developer and had made a couple not-as-good games after a good run, I wouldn't just throw a strop and give up; that's why football (soccar) managers are never in the same place for more than 3 years. |
Beat Writer  Posts: 194 Joined: 30 Apr 2008     | It's like how Tomb Raider 3 didn't actually feature any tombs. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2901 Joined: 3 Jan 2008     | TC Cry More, I'm to tired and this has been argued to death, it will be final when they say it is, if you don't like it don't buy it. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2378 Joined: 29 Oct 2008    | I think when companies have a series with success at this magnitude, they can't help but milk it for everything it's worth. I reckon they'll stop making them when people stop buying them. Even then they might try something drastic to bring everybody back. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1302 Joined: 19 Dec 2008    | Final Fantasy isn't so much of a series as it's a brand. It's just a collection of (mostly) unconnected JRPGs (and a few spinoffs). As such, it's not a problem of too many sequels since there aren't any sequels in FF anyway, every game is a world in itself (again, for the most part). The problem might lie in Square neglecting to make the newer FF games as good as the earlier ones, but then it wouldn't make much of a difference if the game was called "Final Fantasy" or "Unforgotten Eternal Questjourney" or whatnot... |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1324 Joined: 3 Sep 2008    | FF doesn't have true sequals a name change would not make FF12 better if it was called penultimate fantasy 12 |
On the Record  Posts: 5972 Joined: 7 Feb 2008    | Never, because Final Fantasy isn't a "series" so much as a bunch of games with somewhat similar (albiet sometimes vastly different) play elements, thematic elements and similarly large budgets. Let me pose this question... Why should square make a big budget, cutscene heavy RPG and NOT call it Final Fantasy? Basically, it's not so much a "series" as it is a "brand". |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2996 Joined: 13 Aug 2008   | Nothing short of the apocalypse would end development of Final Fantasy games. |
On the Record  Posts: 5011 Joined: 28 Feb 2008  | Its called, "Final Fantasy" because in the first game, the main antagonist created a time loop that allowed him to be allmighty forever, like a dark, twisted fantasy. I find it a stretch to call it a, "Fantasy," but that's what one of the sages calls it. They make name-only sequels because brand names sell. |
On the Record Posts: 5972 Joined: 7 Feb 2008 | Can't argue about one thing lately though, Square needs to dial back on these bloody spinoffs and remakes and start giving us REAL games again. I enjoyed getting Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy IV for the DS but were they really necessary? Why not make some more original titles like TWEWY, that seems to be the only thing the "square" side of Square Enix has done in a while. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 79 Joined: 25 Dec 2008 | i'm not pissed off with the title or anything like that, i just think now that they have created a successful series of games, possibly the longest ever, that perhaps their undivided attention would be good elsewhere. games like kingdom hearts and TWEWY are quite good games, and with square not worrying about how to make the next final fantasy good they might get even better |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 98 Joined: 12 Dec 2008    | Me final fantasy ended at final fantasy 7. They can never make a better final fantasy than 7. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1151 Joined: 7 Dec 2008   | It's called Final Fantasy because Square was going bankrupt at the time and this was their last game they planned to make, only to have it be a huge success, lucky bastards. I don't like the FF games, but if they sell I don't see a reason that Square should stop making them. |
On the Record Posts: 5011 Joined: 28 Feb 2008 |
Eww, FF7 fanboyism. Want to support your opinion? Well, no. Its kinda off-topic anyway. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 107 Joined: 16 Apr 2008   |
They can and they have. It was called Final Fantasy 6. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 98 Joined: 12 Dec 2008 |
Im not a fan boy, it just thought it had a great story line, I personaly feel that the other games after it sucked, thats just my opinion. I enjoyed the rest of the final fantasy games but to me it felt like the others lost the spark, I always keep a open mind and I do hope the new final fantasy will blow my opinion away. |
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Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1654 Joined: 1 Oct 2008   | No. |
Red Guard  Posts: 3508 Joined: 18 Sep 2008  |
Are you sure? I heard that it was called 'Final Fantasy' because the company (Square) was going under and that was the last game they were going to make. However, when it became immensely popular, they ran with it as a brand. |
On the Record Posts: 5011 Joined: 28 Feb 2008 |
The guy in the game calls it a Final Fantasy. They may have called it that to pay homage to it being their "last game", but its in the storyline. I wish I could remember the dialogue from the original game, but I've played the DoS version several times since then... |
Copy Clerk Posts: 79 Joined: 25 Dec 2008 | See, for all the greatness of the Final Fantasy 7 story, for me and many others the only reason that people say it had a great script was cos of the whole tragic Aeris (that is her name, i refuse the "Aerith" shit) death, because it was a shock, her being a main character and all. Not to say that the rest of the game wasn't superb and raised a whole generation of rabid fan boys (and girls, Vincent needs love as well), but when i ask people what the definitive moment was, they generally say that was it. |
Red Guard Posts: 3508 Joined: 18 Sep 2008 |
I think it could be both, really. They wrote the game, right? In any case, I suppose it isn't overly important. If either case is true, it shows that the name is merely a brand (Coming from either the original story, the fiscal problems of the company, or both), and not a literal 'final fantasy', in the sense that the game is said 'final fantasy'. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2048 Joined: 10 Nov 2008  |
NEVER!!! MWAHAHAHAHAHA! |
Paperboy  Posts: 22 Joined: 7 Jan 2009  | The "Final" Fantasy "series" did see some direct sequels over these years. Those were without a doubt, the worst games I've ever played. Anyone remember "X-2"? |
Beat Writer  Posts: 190 Joined: 6 Jan 2009   | As terrible as it may seem Final Fantasy will never end. Sure, they may start a totally-unrelated-to-any-previous-game-it-shouldnt-be-considered-so but unfortunately we are in a world of never ending FF games |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 54 Joined: 2 Oct 2008   |
hmmm . . . That kinda sounds pulled outta your ass. Is that a joke I didnt get or someting? If not, where did you here that? |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 857 Joined: 24 Mar 2008   | The original game was going to be a stand-alone, but by the fifth installment of the series (perhaps even earlier) it was pretty much decided that the series would continue until it became unprofitable. Which is when the "final" final fantasy will happen. But don't expect that to any time soon, Metroid, Zelda, Mario, Mega Man, Street Fighter... all are going strong thirty years after they were originally conceived with no end in sight. FF falls into this category. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 998 Joined: 26 Jun 2008  |
Final Fantasy is a name, don't take it too literally. It's not like we leave Left 4 Dead to die, The Eye Toy wasn't really a toy but a camera, we buy our copies of Thief, Half Life (1)looks pretty whole to me, Silent Hill has functional audio, Perfect Dark had functional video, Paper Mario was not made out of paper, I did not see my reflection while playing Mirror's Edge, Castle Crashers did not crash my Xbox, The Orange Box wasn't actually a box (something that really disappointed me), The Burning Crusade didn't even emit a spark, Donkey Kong has yet to feature donkey, the list goes on... Oh and I'm sure someone has already mentioned Chrono Trigger and Mario RPG |
Copy Clerk Posts: 79 Joined: 25 Dec 2008 |
aren't you one of the lucky ones then? |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1803 Joined: 8 Nov 2008    |
No. You aren't a JRPG player, I can tell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Square_Enix_games. Ever heard of dragon quest, the mana series? Hell they even made the manga full metal alchemist. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 5 Joined: 7 Jan 2009  |
Yah, I pretty much agree with this statement here. As for the bit about the new Final Fantasy games not being all that nicer dicer, I thought Final Fantasy 12 was amazing, and has since then replaced Final Fantasy 7 as being my favorite. I am hoping that Final Fantasy 13 is equally amazing. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2326 Joined: 19 May 2008   |
No that is truth, Wikipedia it if you want. Square made some real shit games and when they only had enough money for one more game to make or break them, Final Fantasy was born and saved their ass from doom. Ironically the same thing almost happened with 7 as the amount of money they spent making and advertising that game was so vast that if it failed, the company would be no more. Lightning definitely struck twice with them.
Yup, Final Fantasy wont go away if it has managed to hold up for 20 years year and is still immensely popular. There is no reason or right to complain about final fantasy having too many games and then totally neglecting the franchises mark here has mentioned. Also considering for the most part Final Fantasy game are a disambiguation of each other, it's a brand and not a chronological series of some sort. There have been a few spinoff/sequels but that makes up very little of the franchise. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 2361 Joined: 14 Sep 2008  |
It's not a joke or anything like that. It's the truth. Final Fantasy was supposed to be Square's last game. Edit: Somebody was faster. |
Paperboy  Posts: 23 Joined: 7 Jan 2009  |
(yes you are) Sorry, Yahtzee quote. Final Fantasy 6 was the first final fantasy game i ever played with a storyline i personally quoted as "epic" Final Fantasy 7 was as well, and I'm a fan of both, to me, it started to degrade around Final Fantasy 8 and the Junction system. Oh, that and you had to draw magic out of your... sorry about that, had a flashback and had to go take an advil. Final Fantasy 9 was a last attempt at going back to what made it good, but utterly failed me at the "to learn this spell you must wear this article of clothing" crap. Then there was 10 and its sphere grid and whiny non existant, yet existant hero (i mean seriously hes dead but alive, put a bullet in the zombies head and move on, and forget the sphere grid. "i can learn that i dont have any spheres....give me a break. Then there was 11, which i feel doesnt exist, final fantasy was never supposed to be an MMO, just square trying to run with the popular kids...and failed. Then there was the checkerboard nightmare that is final fantasy 12. Cant wear clothes because i dont have a license for it.....damn RIAA, they screw up everything. Anyway i'm sure i've shifted off topic by now.... sorry about that. |
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I'm slightly annoyed at Square. After all these years all they can seem to do is create more Final Fantasy games, despite the fact that there even being a second Final Fantasy game screwed with the notion presented in the word "final", changing it from the end, or completion of something to mean "the last one unless it sells good" oh, there have been other games, but most of them have been spin offs of Final Fantasy games, and the rest have sucked. I'm just wondering if i'm the only person in internet land who thinks that its time to put it to an end, or am i just mad cos Final Fantasy 12 wasn't that great?