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Paperboy  Posts: 15 Joined: 4 Jan 2009   | |
BANNED  Posts: 514 Joined: 7 Oct 2008     | Pay money for a second job? When that's the most fun video game choice. I'll throw myself under a hearse or find a differant a hobby it's 50-50 really. User was banned for: Your worst joke. (Permanent) |
On the Record  Posts: 5567 Joined: 14 Sep 2008     |
Sure you can't see everything in 4 days. But if game is weak in those 4 days, why should I assume the rest of it is any better? First impression is the most important. See Age of Conan - it had a great start (well, still has - up to 20 level), but then people saw the rest of the game is horrible. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 795 Joined: 16 Apr 2008     |
I don't hate the playa, I hate the game. Only time I take exception to that rule is when the playa decides to insult everything else in existence in defense of the game. Especially when it is insanely untrue things like "WoW has the best graphics EVER". I only played the game for 4 days. But like I said, I did research into everything else that I hadn't done. I heared opinions from people across the board. I went on Google and found pictures to explain my points. That sort of thing. But you don't need to see every aspect of the game to know how it works. I wrote a guide for two new classes in FFXI within a week of the expansion's release, before I installed it myself or partied with any players of those classes. And the only things I've ever edited on the guides were updates to them over time. MMORPG's are predictable. Especially when all 4 days you play one, you're stuck doing quests that force you to "kill X monsters" or "collect X items". The lack of variation in quests is what killed me. |
Copy Clerk Posts: 97 Joined: 29 Aug 2008   | Ok jesuschrist, six whole pages and I'm not reading them all so apologies if this has been said already. People put things down because they think they're shit. People perhaps put WoW down because the WoW community do really annoying things like spell the word "the" as "teh" and suchlike. Also, why do you care? So what if we show distaste toward you and your ilk and what you like doing, fuck what we think and go play your game. |
Games Editor  Posts: 4226 Joined: 20 Dec 2005     |
Seriously? The RTS team started work on SC2 right after Frozen Throne shipped. Diablo 3 went through no less than THREE revisions after LoD came out before they settled on the one they announced. Announcement =/= work on a game, especially with a company as perfectionist as Blizzard is. |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 4 Joined: 24 Nov 2008   | Simplest answer: This is life. You can find haters for anything, even more so on the internet. And the bigger the target, the easier it is to find such hate. You all know this to be true.
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Beat Writer  Posts: 162 Joined: 7 Jan 2009   |
I would imagine, making a good game would take time, no? But if people would rather see Blizzard spew out a neverending stream of poor quality games, I guess that's their problem. I'm sure, when SC2 and D3 are released, we'll see why they're taking time to get done. But clearly, all of us should go back to playing Pong and everyone would be happy. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1616 Joined: 10 Sep 2008    |
People didn't know that blizzard was working on other titles. The perception was all they were doing was WoW. I was explaining why people hated wow, not saying that I agree with them. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1126 Joined: 12 Apr 2008    | to each there own so some people knit, i play wow... *holds up incomplete pair of socks* |
Paperboy Posts: 29 Joined: 10 Jan 2009    | GW updates of note are about once a month. Skill balancing is still supported and some content for holiday events but no new game content now (though that was never really the model anyway, game content coming through chapters such as Nightfall). Updates were more frequent before work on GW2 started. |
Press Junketeer  Posts: 488 Joined: 29 Nov 2008 | I hate having WoW shoved down my throat. I don't hate the game, just it's religious cult warshippers' preachings. We sociopaths don't do well in multiplayers & make terrible guildmates. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 866 Joined: 29 Apr 2008    | I dislike wow for the simple fact that it hinders any real progress of MMORPG genera. Beyond that i just simply don't care for it because its not all that exciting. You see I'm a relatively busy kinda guy, and i love playing games, so the time i can spend indulging on good games is limited. So if I fill all my "game playing time" with a game like WOW (a very time demanding game)I have to miss out on all the portals, and little big planets of the world. I see it as a cause and effect situation, and just like Machiavelli " The ends don't justify the means" |
Anonymous Source  Posts: 2 Joined: 12 Sep 2008  | The reason why people bash has probably been said quite a lot in here by now, but its just that well, its true it can ruin social lives but its a highly overrated concept, I don't play anymore but I knew maybe one, two people who stayed on 30+ a week. The average is like 3-5 if I can remember right. |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 621 Joined: 14 Jun 2008    |
So you leveled to level cap AND experienced high level arena + high end raids as a fresh player in four days? Don't make me laugh. If you were a player of about a year or two and you made a big essay whining about a game, then fair enough. But you have played an MMO for 4 days and claim you've seen it all? Completely false. And btw, was it on a trial account? Because I'm fairly sure they can't level over 20... |
Beat Writer  Posts: 149 Joined: 12 Jan 2009 | What I'm going to say as probably already been said but... I played wow for about 3 months. Mostly because me and some friends had a habit of coop play and wanted to try something new in MMORPGS. Its hard to make a point here on what side I want to be, but the fact is, that in a personal opinion there's only one MMORPG that I enjoyed playing and it was GW. WOW just felt like a money waster to me, yes it was fun but lacked the feeling you get when you beat a game and find your journey come to a conclusion. I bought Hellgate: London and right now I'm going to play Tabula Rasa, because the first one has single player and the second is now free right now so there's no feeling of "I could have bought a lot of ice cream with that money". In short... if you like the grind pvp and such then maybe MMORPGS are things for you. But some people don't like it, especial when a game like wow is known to turn people into bedroom-dwelling trolls. Come on guys! there's lots of bridges out there for us to live in! |
On the Record Posts: 5567 Joined: 14 Sep 2008 |
If a game bored the hell out of me in 3 days (this is how long I managed to play it), why should I assume the rest of it will be better? |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 61 Joined: 22 Dec 2008    | my brother was funny yesterday, and he always is playing it, and when we got in a fight that I wasn't into that thing he said: 'Then get a life. I have a life, cause I have a lvl 80 Death knight.' I never stopped laughing. |
Pulitzer Laureate  Posts: 834 Joined: 21 Aug 2008 |
It's not all just grinding. People who make this claim obviously didn't actually delve into the game much. There are thousands of quests, and a lot of the new ones are really original and fun. (That's not to say that the old ones aren't fun either, they are.) There's plenty of stuff to do if you're in a good guild. It's even better if you can manage to play with RL friends. However, like ANY game that requires you to level your character(s), there is going to be SOME form of grinding. It's a trick of balancing it with other things to do. Which, if you know anything about WoW at all, you'd know that there is a good balance of both. At any rate, if you don't like MMO's, fine. That's totally understandable. And if you like MMO's, that's also fine. People are always going to complain about anything and everything. You can safely bet that whatever they're complaining about, they have a negative experience with it in some way, and therefore they want everyone to agree with them to make themselves more assured in their assumption. Which is okay too. That's life. |
Copy Clerk  Posts: 53 Joined: 8 Jan 2009   | I'm neutral on the subject. WoW has some appeal to me from time to time but I'm not an avid player. |
Paperboy Posts: 15 Joined: 4 Jan 2009 |
This is exactly the one sided stuff I'm getting at. Essentially different games appeal for different reasons to different people. Personally, I find shooting the same half dozen or so types of zombies over 4 maps to unlock achievements pretty repetitive and more of a grind than wow, but I refuse to judge the game or those that play it with the multitude of offensive superlatives thrown at my game of choice. I think it's partly because I respect others' choices and have no need, or desire to berate someone else for something which is meant to be fun for them. Call me an adult or something. Damn, I mean even CoD4 (the counterpoint example I choose in this case) has a level cap, achievements and better gear to entice you along and keep you interested. That is essentially wow. The promise of seeing more content with a better player character with better weapons. And now to amend your quote for this example so that it reflects the above:
And to answer that as CoD4 player I'd say, You'll miss out on unlocking the tasty weapons, different abilities and achievements. You might also miss the chance to make a new buddy / girlfriend online, and all the social interaction that may stem from that. Feel free to substitute CoD4 with any game that you don't see everything within a few hours of playing. A WoW character that has been played for a couple of days will miss similar stuff. Stands to reason, yes? If you don't like the genre or a game, that's cool, but it's absolutely bewildering that some people dedicate *any* amount of time to talk bigoted nonsense about wow [or players] when it doesn't interest them and shows their lack of complete knowledge on the subject. Notice I didn't say "teh" once. You know, I'm on your side, and I want you to be right. Hence my explanation. |
On the Record Posts: 5567 Joined: 14 Sep 2008 | More ways of getting bored isn't a solution to boredom. I love MMOs. I love grind that has sense (Ragnarok Online), because when you get to level 80+ in RO, you can finally PvP on equal ground. In WoW, you do get to PvP, but the main focus is on PvE. Also, achievements exist in almost any new game. For people like me, it's a great way to extend the life of a game. It's extremely fun to try and get "Hot on your heels" achievement in Team Fortress 2 or "Lenin a Hand". But if 3 first days of a game is boring, repetitive grind where you just press 1-2-3 as soon as you get in the range of spell cast, why should I assume I won't do the same thing 70 levels later? |
Infamous Scribbler  Posts: 684 Joined: 22 Dec 2008    |
I KNOW I can't change your mind, I'm fine with this. However, what you are describing is basically a single unsocial player in World of Warcraft. The game thrives on all its multiplayer bits (and to be fair, they do allow decent PvP balance by only having 10 levels at a time in there, though I still am not that interested in it) and by playing only single player you will not get to experience that. In 4 days you should be high enough to get to one of the early level dungeons, and that is the thing that really changed the game for me. Additionally, the whole string of spells/attacks things goes right out the window if you play as a tanking or healing character intended to eat up/undo the enemy's damage. You need a whole different strategy, which to me is another place where the game shines. However, it all comes down to the fact that if you don't want to play, you don't have to. And it sounds like you don't. Sooo... That's how it goes I guess. Just saying there's a lot more to it than the grind which is all that a lot of people see. |
Muckraker  Posts: 253 Joined: 15 Dec 2008 | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! RANDOM WORDS ARE FUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 795 Joined: 16 Apr 2008 |
I never said I saw it all. But as long as you've seen a little of everything, that should be enough to convince me of how the rest of the game works. Especially when a lot of the information I had filling in the blanks were from players of the actual game. A friend of mine played the game for roughly a year and by the end he was so bored of it he told me everything else I needed to know. He spent the last hour of his account just shouting in Stormwind or whatever that city is called, saying "World of Warcra[ft] sucks". People were telling him to shut up and they were blocking him all over, but through the whole hour he was annoying people, no GM or anyone kicked him off. He just got bored and went offline lol |
Pulitzer Laureate Posts: 706 Joined: 8 Sep 2008  | MMOs: i think about them as the soulless whoring of my favorite form of media. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1684 Joined: 7 Feb 2008  |
The thing about WoW is the expansions change the game a lot. Levelling from 1-60 is boring as tits. Outland really wasn't all that bad, and 70-80 is some of the best questing I've ever seen in an MMORPG. Wrath of the Lich King still uses a lot of that Kill X enemy and gather Y items, but they keep each quest short and sweet. There's a lot more variety in just the grind quests. On top of this WoW added totally new quest mechanics that I haven't seen in any other MMORPG. WoW always had a decent variation in quests. There was a good mix of grind, delivery and quests that don't fill any particular category, but Wrath just raises the bar 10 fold. The Wrath gate quest is probably one of the best quests I have ever experienced. It's not a particularly long quest at all. A large gate that guards Arthas' realm (the Lich King) becomes the focal point of the entire horde/alliance offensive. You reach the gate, do a few little quests here and there and then you're treated to a fantastic cinematic. |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1753 Joined: 3 Sep 2008   |
That's a little harsh, alot of WoW players are 20+ |
Gone Gonzo Posts: 1753 Joined: 3 Sep 2008 |
Agree on that |
Gone Gonzo  Posts: 1631 Joined: 11 Jan 2009 |
I didnt say the entire population is under 13, just most of it. And yes I have played WoW for a good 2 months. For the record these are MY opinions, nothing will change my view on the game. |
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Apologies for making it sound like you played for a whole year. To be fair, someone who would go to the trouble of writing that many academic papers, the song etc with any kind of extensive knowledge or authority seems like they'd need to play it for longer than a week.
People can level fast, that's true, but no one will ever see the whole game and experience everything in four days.
I made an assumption based on how much trouble you went to. I guess if someone said they wrote several papers on any subject, academic or not I'd imagine they'd have been studying the subject longer than 4 days for it to be actually a balanced summary.
You don't like wow. That's totally cool. Just remember to respect other people's choices. Recognising and accepting diversity is a powerful academic tool.