Ula:
The only Xbox of mine that broke was my original Xbox, not a 360, but after that one kicked it I got an Elite (it looks better, has more space and came in a good package). I've had it for 2, nearly 3 years now and no problems with it. If you a 360 get an Elite or that random Pro one.

I have a pre hdmi model myself and it's still working after about two years. I don't play it very often though, and keep it fairly well ventilated.

curlycrouton:
I have some advice!

Buy a good PC, and be rid of all your troubles.

Onmi:
Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.

also superior control on all the games that MATTER.

Yeah, just get a PC, then you can spend your day being an elitist troll in Xbox topics like you're actually going to change anyone's mind.

If I were the OP I would get on the line with tech support and discuss the issue before it finishes it's downward spiral. They may be able to suggest a fix that does not require you to send it in.

shadow skill:

Ula:
The only Xbox of mine that broke was my original Xbox, not a 360, but after that one kicked it I got an Elite (it looks better, has more space and came in a good package). I've had it for 2, nearly 3 years now and no problems with it. If you a 360 get an Elite or that random Pro one.

I have a pre hdmi model myself and it's still working after about two years. I don't play it very often though, and keep it fairly well ventilated.

Cool, I think that should be advice for everyone, don't spend 18 hours a day on it, or if you do get a huge water cooling system. Or any kind of cooling/ventilation system.

Ula:

shadow skill:

Ula:
The only Xbox of mine that broke was my original Xbox, not a 360, but after that one kicked it I got an Elite (it looks better, has more space and came in a good package). I've had it for 2, nearly 3 years now and no problems with it. If you a 360 get an Elite or that random Pro one.

I have a pre hdmi model myself and it's still working after about two years. I don't play it very often though, and keep it fairly well ventilated.

Cool, I think that should be advice for everyone, don't spend 18 hours a day on it, or if you do get a huge water cooling system. Or any kind of cooling/ventilation system.

Mine worked for two years cause of this ^ (It's my fault that mine broke)

curlycrouton:
I have some advice!

Buy a good PC, and be rid of all your troubles.

No thanks, I prefer a good controller to a crappy keyboard and mouse.

Not to mention, when I get a hot new title I like to be able to play it. Not have to install it, hope that my PC can handle it, etc,etc..

I love just putting it in the disc tray and going.

My friend bought a Xbox 360 Elite for 300€ and it's RRODing.
I didn't think it would be possible for Xbox 360 Elites to RROD at all.

But there you go :(

curlycrouton:
I have some advice!

Buy a good PC, and be rid of all your troubles.

Nice Advice, I agree.

I have a first generation 360 and it has never failed me yet. Lucky?

Mercanary57:

Onmi:
Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.

also superior control on all the games that MATTER.

Saints Row 2 port would like to have a word with you...

That's not the PC's fault, it's the company that made a really shitty port. Everything a console can do a PC can do better... But there's nothing you can do if the dev team suddenly gets a case of "the retards".

Mine is a year and a half old, and has never had so much as a flutter.

Zephirius:
I have had mine over 2 years now I think, and I have still never had a problem with it. I don't play on it that often though, and it is an Elite, though from what I've read it's typically the normal 360's breaking down, I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about a broken Elite.

my elite got the RRoD about 6 months into owning it im on my seccond now

I've had mine for about a month and a half, so i dunno if and when it'll fail...

And to the PC gamers: I agree with the control scheme argument. I don't like the fact that a new system of mine with 4GB RAM will take 27 hours to download Portal off steam. 64 KB/sec. WTF?!? Also, you need to constantly update your system to play the newest games. You need a lot of money for that.

(15 hours for HL: source)

Dude, the amount of RAM on your PC has no impact what so ever on your internet speed.

Here's a message to all the people pushing for getting a PC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_-IoeSB-A

Dancingman:

Onmi:
Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.

also superior control on all the games that MATTER.

My God how I get tired of PC players and their "master race" mentality.

Actually i'm a console player.

Similar to the OP, my 360 I've had since 2006 finally died on me right before Xmas. RROD, Microsoft lived up the the extended 3 year warranty for the RROD which covered me after my store coverage expired. They have a new interface for support, print a label, ship it out, they repaired it, shipped it back, Im good to go. I have to give them props, it was fluid and free and I appreciate good customer service.

And to those saying "get a pc" because it's somehow more dependable....i dont think so. i used to be diehard pc vs. console....building gaming rigs......

but PCs hardware dies just the same. and there's a lot more in there to die. which costs $ to replace. New games come out demanding you upgrade again even tho you just did a year ago, and then there's the inevitable new game you get that conflicts with something, that gives you blue screens or crashes the PC.....that the game developer says has to do with drivers of the video card, which the video card company says its not the video drivers its the sound drivers, which the sound card company says no way, its the game software, which the game software says its the operating system, which the OS company says it's the game....then someone blames your mobo or ram......even tho 5GBs does squat......

no thanks. after being a ping pong ball for years, a gaming console was the easier choice for me.....games come out, they've been tested, on hardware thats the same for everyone....i know it'll work right........and i can play in the comfort of my sofa on the big screen tv.

Pyronox:

shadow skill:

Pyronox:

shadow skill:
Pyronox do you hear about Wii's failing the way you hear about 360's failing? Do you hear about PS2's failing in the way you hear about 360's failing at this point in the life cycle?

Did you read my post?

I did and the Wii has more consoles out in the wild than the 360 or the PS3, and even then the difference between the PS3 and the 360 is only about eight million or so. It's not very large at all.

You definitely did not read my post.

Housewives won`t go start a flame war on the internet if their wii broke down, nor will they answer online polls, nor will 8 year olds. See where I'm getting at?

Do I have to explain it again?

The difference is you can actually pick out specific hardware faults in the Xbox. I love the 360, it's my console of choice, but I've had two and both have died. It's staring at me right now, totally shagged, Red-Ringed, and its all due to the same fault each time. The motherboard (or whatever it's named in this case, I'm not up to speed with techno-lingo) is set in a god-awful fashion with clips that set it in place by flexing it slightly. When the heat rises, the board flexes more. Eventually, it just breaks connections.

I even dug into my first Xbox and improved its ventilation a little (since the warranty ran dry) and supported the motherboard with a small bit of rubber to put less strain from the clips, I got another nine months out of it, but eventually it died.

The point is, it has identifiable faults. I'm bias with the Xbox and I still admit it's crap. I know one other person who owns a 360, three who own a PS3, and god-knows how many who own a Wii, possibly in double figures, and I've never heard a problem with the other consoles. My two Xbox's beat every other person I know with a console.

It's a simple fact, Xbox 360 are made poorly

yeah, well GTAIV was the end of my original 360. It was 'fixed' and lasted another week, then had to go back for further repairs. In the meantime, I bought an Elite. Old box came back, and a mate has been had it for a few months with no problems. It is disappointing to me that such a great console has it's reputation ruined by poor manufacturing/testing of whatever it was that has cause so many failures.

Pyronox:
To quote Arnold:
The 360 is the most popular console on the market. OF COURSE it's going to have a higher failure number because there are MORE consoles. It probably fails just as much as PS3s or WIIs.

Actually, the XBox 360 had roughly a 33% failure rate, it's now about 10%. The percentage is MORE THAN ANY OTHER CONSOLE OUT NOW.

And you know what else? There have been more Wii's sold than XBox 360s or PS3s. You logic of Rates vs. Numbers just doesn't add up, because, if it did, we'd have a lot more paperweight Wiis than brick 360s.

Gamer101:

And to those saying "get a pc" because it's somehow more dependable....i dont think so. i used to be diehard pc vs. console....building gaming rigs......

You can buy a cheap $500 PC, then upgrade it for maybe $300 every five or six years. That's not nearly as expensive as what you mentioned. Also, many modern games out for PC, like Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, Half-Life 2 Episode 2, they all run just fine on my PC. in fact, apart from CoD4, everything ran fine on my PC from 2004. 2004! I've never had any problems with Blue screens, sound card drivers, video drivers, motherboards, anything! I'm not the only one either, the grand majority of people don't have problems running games on their PCs.

This is coming from someone who has both a decent gaming PC, and an XBox 360, and a PS2. I know what I'm talking about. You said you built Gaming rigs... I figured you'd know enough about them to build a computer that works.

Dancingman:

Onmi:
Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.

also superior control on all the games that MATTER.

My God how I get tired of PC players and their "master race" mentality.

THANK YOU! I own both a decent PC and a 360, and I will honestly say that my PCs limitations aside, I prefer my 360. Yes the 360 has hardware issues, but for every RROD on the 360, you have some error with a driver or need to upgrade your hardware, or have to clear out some hard drive space or some other technical difficulty on the PC.

Why does it matter though? We all play games and console gamers are perfectly willing to accept PC gamers, but the PC gamers think they're some kind of master race because their hardware costs 2-3 times as much and can be used to view porn.

Pyronox:

I JUST told you PERCENTAGES are INCORRECT.

You FAIL. Good DAY sir.

I fail? Okay, scratch my logic of 10% or 33% or whatever it is you think is wrong.

How amny Wiis have been sold? How many Wii's are incapable of playing games?

Now, how many XBox 360s have been sold? How many have RRoD'd?

"You FAIL. Good DAY sir."

Long live my Zephyr chipped 360! I believe I got one that wasn't part of the 50% failure rate of the Zephyrs. Thank crikes...I'm starting to want to force a RRoD though while I'm still under the warranty. That Jasper chip is way too reliable for me to risk the Zephyr

My Xbox just got the rings of death so it died just not how yours is...
less than a month after our warrenty expired too but microsoft decided to be a good sport and let us ship it out anyway.

Pyronox:
To quote Arnold:

"Stop whining."

The 360 is the most popular console on the market. OF COURSE it's going to have a higher failure number because there are MORE consoles. It probably fails just as much as PS3s or WIIs.

That's wrong. The Wii is the most popular console on the market. The sales numbers prove that. And the 360 still has a higher failure rate. But that's a given. Nintendo has a reputation for releasing extremely well-made consoles.

Onmi:
Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.

also superior control on all the games that MATTER.

I'm really sad now. *Goes to the land of imagination where I don't rely on my 360*

Pyronox:

L2read, I acknowledged that mistake in an earlier post. And no, you can't rate the xbox rrod's because you dont KNOW how many there are in the first place.

Which of these two: Xbox 360, or Wii, have sold more units?
Xbox 360: Units sold: Worldwide: 28 million (as of January 5, 2009)
Wii: Unites Sold: Worldwide: 34.55 million (as of September 30, 2008)

Now, which one is more notorious for having hardware issues? Every Wii I've ever known is working just fine, everyone I know that's had a 360 (except myself, but I've only owned the 360 for 2 weeks) has had it RRod at least once. One friend of mine has a Wii which still works, and he's on his third 360. What does that tell you? That he bought one wii and a million 360s, so that I could say "Oh his Wii is fine but 2 of his 360s have broken" just to mess around with statistics for this argument? He bought one 360 and one Wii. That Wii is still working, the 360 has broken. The replacement also broke. He is on his 3rd 360. The statistics are backing me up here.

So, no, I can't rate the xbox 360's rrods, but it should still be obvious that the XBox 360s die out more often than the Wiis.

Enigmers:

Pyronox:

L2read, I acknowledged that mistake in an earlier post. And no, you can't rate the xbox rrod's because you dont KNOW how many there are in the first place.

Which of these two: Xbox 360, or Wii, have sold more units?
Xbox 360: Units sold: Worldwide: 28 million (as of January 5, 2009)
Wii: Unites Sold: Worldwide: 34.55 million (as of September 30, 2008)

Now, which one is more notorious for having hardware issues? Every Wii I've ever known is working just fine, everyone I know that's had a 360 (except myself, but I've only owned the 360 for 2 weeks) has had it RRod at least once. One friend of mine has a Wii which still works, and he's on his third 360. What does that tell you? That he bought one wii and a million 360s, so that I could say "Oh his Wii is fine but 2 of his 360s have broken" just to mess around with statistics for this argument? He bought one 360 and one Wii. That Wii is still working, the 360 has broken. The replacement also broke. He is on his 3rd 360. The statistics are backing me up here.

So, no, I can't rate the xbox 360's rrods, but it should still be obvious that the XBox 360s die out more often than the Wiis.

It is also worthy to note that Nintendo makes the most sturdy and durable consoles ever. Seriously.

matrix3509:

It is also worthy to note that Nintendo makes the most sturdy and durable consoles ever. Seriously.

That reminds me about the DS vs PSP war, I kept hearing stories like someone who got hit by a car while riding his bike, the DS flew out of his bag and smashed on the sidewalk, still worked fine. I dropped my DS from about eye-height just to say "Hey, look, this thing is sturdy as a brick." just to prove the point: that thing is sturdy as a fucking brick. The PSP isn't nearly as sturdy.

The 360 is just made to fail. I have one and for like maybe 14 months it was fine. Then it started beleiving it was a DVD player randomly and asking me to put my 360 games into a 360 console, this from the console was very distrubing. Then it RRoD'd on me about 8 months later and I wasn't that surprised. Slowly but surely its tearing itself apart. With the NXE I've notice the dashboard is ALOT slower and freezes everytime I try to open and close the new blades a little too fast. This is wrong. Oh and it also still beleives randomly it's a DVD player. I still love my 360 as my pc isn't up to much and buying a new 1 then upgrading from stupid factory default parts would cost more than my 360 was 2 and a half years ago.

There's only one problem with the 360 and that's microsoft. It's all thier fault and we should be shooting ourselves in the foot thinking they could build something that doesn't fail at every turn.