In my resident over the years I've had a Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo, Sega Genisis, Sony Playstation (twice),Sega Dreamcast, Playstaion 2 (3 times), Xbox,Nintendo Gamecube, Wii and a Playstation 3.
Out of all these systems none have ever completely stopped working except the NES (Which didn't serive a trip to Kansas it was either the battery that broke [cold to the touch when we took it out of the moving box]or something in the system it self). but the rest of the consoles that broke after that at least had the merit to turn on though our 1st PS1, Dreamcast, and 1st two PS2s just stopped being able to read game disk they still turned on (Note: They all fell for one reason or another except the Dreamcast but it serived long past the system was deamed dead).
Thinking about it now I don't even recall anyone every saying thier system was or could tell them it was broken to complete inactivity to the point where repair is needed or look under the casing.
And to those saying "get a pc" because it's somehow more dependable....i dont think so. i used to be diehard pc vs. console....building gaming rigs......
You can buy a cheap $500 PC, then upgrade it for maybe $300 every five or six years. That's not nearly as expensive as what you mentioned. Also, many modern games out for PC, like Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, Half-Life 2 Episode 2, they all run just fine on my PC. in fact, apart from CoD4, everything ran fine on my PC from 2004. 2004! I've never had any problems with Blue screens, sound card drivers, video drivers, motherboards, anything! I'm not the only one either, the grand majority of people don't have problems running games on their PCs.
This is coming from someone who has both a decent gaming PC, and an XBox 360, and a PS2. I know what I'm talking about. You said you built Gaming rigs... I figured you'd know enough about them to build a computer that works.
Ah, the classic signs of internet mumbo jumbo. "I know what I'm talking about", and the "grand majority" agree with you, and let me guess, they have me surrounded, right???
'buy a PC for $500 and then upgrade it for $300 every 5 or 6 years?!?!?' LMAO. Wait, are you being serious? OMG, I think you are....
At least you figured, right. I do know enough about them. But hey, I'm glad it's working for ya. Good luck with those 'upgrades'.
My 360 failed once, and that was back in 2006. It's been fine since then, a few assorted glitches here and there but nothing permanent. I do fear it will give up the ghost soon but at the same time I'm not too worried about it.
lol i'll give you that, and GTA 4 IMO, but generally games are alot better on PC
I really have no idea what all the complaining is about with GTA IV on PC. That game ran on max settings, no problem for me. Looked great and ran great. And i preferred the controls much more on PC over Xbox or PS3, as well.
Saint's Row 2 was just an afterthought port. That's definitely an exception to the rule, rather then the rule.
L2read, I acknowledged that mistake in an earlier post. And no, you can't rate the xbox rrod's because you dont KNOW how many there are in the first place.
Which of these two: Xbox 360, or Wii, have sold more units? Xbox 360: Units sold: Worldwide: 28 million (as of January 5, 2009) Wii: Unites Sold: Worldwide: 34.55 million (as of September 30, 2008)
Now, which one is more notorious for having hardware issues? Every Wii I've ever known is working just fine, everyone I know that's had a 360 (except myself, but I've only owned the 360 for 2 weeks) has had it RRod at least once. One friend of mine has a Wii which still works, and he's on his third 360. What does that tell you? That he bought one wii and a million 360s, so that I could say "Oh his Wii is fine but 2 of his 360s have broken" just to mess around with statistics for this argument? He bought one 360 and one Wii. That Wii is still working, the 360 has broken. The replacement also broke. He is on his 3rd 360. The statistics are backing me up here.
So, no, I can't rate the xbox 360's rrods, but it should still be obvious that the XBox 360s die out more often than the Wiis.
I'm really suprised you've hung in there this long. That guy (Pyronox) is incredibly thick, throws out way too many insults to be taken seriously, and has absolutely no argument. Bravo to you for having the patience, I suppose.
Onmi: Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.
also superior control on all the games that MATTER.
A) The control for saints rows 2 sucks ass and I wasted 40 bucks. B) Yes well good thing there is no such thing as the interweb full of viruses that take your computer down. AND a computer is more expensive if you want to get one that actually works.
I am a PC gamer as well I just don't happen to be an elitist.
Onmi: Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.
also superior control on all the games that MATTER.
A) The control for saints rows 2 sucks ass and I wasted 40 bucks. B) Yes well good thing there is no such thing as the interweb full of viruses that take your computer down. AND a computer is more expensive if you want to get one that actually works.
I am a PC gamer as well I just don't happen to be an elitist.
I'm not a PC gamer I just use it for RTS games. If you implement the proper protection you shouldn't get a virus (I won't say definite there's allways that chance)
and again for SR2 I haven't actually played the game on anything yet
I'm not a PC gamer I just use it for RTS games. If you implement the proper protection you shouldn't get a virus (I won't say definite there's allways that chance)
Fair enough, I would concede that RTS is always better on a PC. But still the chance of one getting a virus that will kill your computer with protection is probably 5%, ESPECIALLY when you download mods, those bastards are full of bugs. But on a Xbox its 0%. I wouldn't go around saying computer are superior if you don't really play computer for all types of games. But both of your points are perfectly reasonable.
I'm not a PC gamer I just use it for RTS games. If you implement the proper protection you shouldn't get a virus (I won't say definite there's allways that chance)
Fair enough, I would concede that RTS is always better on a PC. But still the chance of one getting a virus that will kill your computer with protection is probably 5%, ESPECIALLY when you download mods, those bastards are full of bugs. But on a Xbox its )%. But both of your points are perfectly reasonable.
But Critical Hardware failure is still more likely on an X-box than a PC, yes it's possible to get a virus that can critically cripple the computer. But if we judge percentages with all the virus protection in place the chance of getting a Virus is, lets say it is 5% i'm not sure.
It's still lower than the chance of a critical hardware failure on a 360.
Does anyone else find is funny that Pyronox is defending the 360 and it's failure rate by saying there is more of that console than the wii. Also take note that most posters here are saying things like...
Viewtiful SNAkE: I had a problem with two 360's both had the same problem, they'd turn on fine, the menu's worked fine, basically everything worked except it wouldn't play any type of Cd, I tried replacing the DvD reader but that did nothing. So now I have three 360's in my room...
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Resistance205: Yup, i had my360 for 2 years, and just before Christmas, it died. And that was it. I have tried to fix it but stil, i got it working for about 2 minutes, but then it just went again.
Now that i think of it, it could have something to do with the xbox update...I don't see why they would make an update that could screw up consoles though....But on the other hand it is Microsoft!
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ihategravity: I've owned in my time a total of 3 (se)xbox 360s, the first to 20GB premium/pros died of a "rare" desease witch scratched my discs. The third is a 60GB Premium/pro and is still alive and well.
And this is on the first page of this topic. I don't know about you but by scientific observation the facts seem to be that the xbox360's failure rate is high because of its flawed design. I will admit that the original PS2 had a similar problem reading cds and dvds but the 360 is the console that dies and you can no longer play any game at all.
I'm not a PC gamer I just use it for RTS games. If you implement the proper protection you shouldn't get a virus (I won't say definite there's allways that chance)
Fair enough, I would concede that RTS is always better on a PC. But still the chance of one getting a virus that will kill your computer with protection is probably 5%, ESPECIALLY when you download mods, those bastards are full of bugs. But on a Xbox its )%. But both of your points are perfectly reasonable.
But Critical Hardware failure is still more likely on an X-box than a PC, yes it's possible to get a virus that can critically cripple the computer. But if we judge percentages with all the virus protection in place the chance of getting a Virus is, lets say it is 5% i'm not sure.
It's still lower than the chance of a critical hardware failure on a 360.
All very true, but in my view, it balances out with the fact that you know, no matter what, that the controls will be decent and that your 360 can always run the game. You won't get that reliability with a PC. Even system requirements can be sketchy.
It is also worthy to note that Nintendo makes the most sturdy and durable consoles ever. Seriously.
That reminds me about the DS vs PSP war, I kept hearing stories like someone who got hit by a car while riding his bike, the DS flew out of his bag and smashed on the sidewalk, still worked fine. I dropped my DS from about eye-height just to say "Hey, look, this thing is sturdy as a brick." just to prove the point: that thing is sturdy as a fucking brick. The PSP isn't nearly as sturdy.
Yeah there are tons of youtube videos (most of them are crappy) that illustrate that point very well with the Gamecube, like tossing them from a second story window and landing on concrete, and dragging them behind a vehicle. In just about all those situations, the thing still worked. Now its doubtful it would still read a disc after that, but they all at least still turned on.
Onmi: Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.
also superior control on all the games that MATTER.
My God how I get tired of PC players and their "master race" mentality.
well, my PC kicks X-Boxes in the balls. also, PC's are better than "consoles" but i still enjoy consoles. but as i look at the hundread plus games around me i wonder, which other system can play GTA:4, Farcry 2, Vampires, Civ 4, Dungeon Keeper 2, the sims 2, Prince of Persia, Deus Ex, Counter strike, Command and conquer, Sam and max: hit the road, and EVERY OTHER GAME EVER MADE. in 50 years, PCs will still be around, will you still be able to play the classics such as "Jak and Daxter"? i will, thanks to emulators.
also, on Saints row 2. you can get an x-Box controller or other game pad for the PC.
That happened to mine, After 8 days, new ones working fine though, And FYI its not a disk problem its a problem with a couple of new fetures of the NXL thing, mostly the install to hard drive feture, but sometimes others.
Onmi: Get a PC, same games and it's guaranteed to not die on you.
also superior control on all the games that MATTER.
My God how I get tired of PC players and their "master race" mentality.
well, my PC kicks X-Boxes in the balls. also, PC's are better than "consoles" but i still enjoy consoles. but as i look at the hundread plus games around me i wonder, which other system can play GTA:4, Farcry 2, Vampires, Civ 4, Dungeon Keeper 2, the sims 2, Prince of Persia, Deus Ex, Counter strike, Command and conquer, Sam and max: hit the road, and EVERY OTHER GAME EVER MADE. in 50 years, PCs will still be around, will you still be able to play the classics such as "Jak and Daxter"? i will, thanks to emulators.
also, on Saints row 2. you can get an x-Box controller or other game pad for the PC.
And to those saying "get a pc" because it's somehow more dependable....i dont think so. i used to be diehard pc vs. console....building gaming rigs......
You can buy a cheap $500 PC, then upgrade it for maybe $300 every five or six years. That's not nearly as expensive as what you mentioned. Also, many modern games out for PC, like Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, Half-Life 2 Episode 2, they all run just fine on my PC. in fact, apart from CoD4, everything ran fine on my PC from 2004. 2004! I've never had any problems with Blue screens, sound card drivers, video drivers, motherboards, anything! I'm not the only one either, the grand majority of people don't have problems running games on their PCs.
This is coming from someone who has both a decent gaming PC, and an XBox 360, and a PS2. I know what I'm talking about. You said you built Gaming rigs... I figured you'd know enough about them to build a computer that works.
'buy a PC for $500 and then upgrade it for $300 every 5 or 6 years?!?!?' LMAO. Wait, are you being serious? OMG, I think you are....
At least you figured, right. I do know enough about them. But hey, I'm glad it's working for ya. Good luck with those 'upgrades'.
Oh noes, $300 every 5 or 6 years? That's... $60 or $50 a year!!!
Enjoy your $60+ games. In Poland, console games are 200-300 PLN. Computer games are always cheaper than 130-150 PLN.
You pay almost double for a game with same framerate and inferior graphics, worse interface and more problematic saving system (because I don't know if there are games with "quick save" option on consoles). And after those 5 years I have to buy a new graphic card and maaaybe a new CPU. You have to buy a new console, because the old one is not compatibile with new games.
One of the reasons I didn't buy any new Gameboys after GBA - They will die in 3-4 years, another one will emerge... And you won't be getting any more games.
Besides, if an Xbox dies, you buy a new Xbox. If a PC dies, you replace the part that tripped and you are good to go. And you can upgrade the PC again.
These threads make me smile. My 360 got the dreaded RRoD a few months back, and I turned it off, waited about six seconds, turned it on, and it was fixed like a dog after going to the vet. Never had a problem since. I think it's like the Chicken Pox: Once you have them and get rid of them, it's all better.
My 360 died halfway through last year, but my friends (who has an elite)died about 2 months before mine and we got it at the same time, so I don't think Elites are any more protected from Red Ring of Death. Also, on the New Xbox Experience, it just makes my Xbox slower, but I don't know if that's the update or just my 360, as it has always been a little bit slow (just like its owner). =D
If your xbox has been going for 2 years, she's got a good life so far. Have you thought about taking it in for a service with a TRUSTED professional? My friend did that to his launch when it started to die and it's pretty good right now :)
I fail? Okay, scratch my logic of 10% or 33% or whatever it is you think is wrong.
How amny Wiis have been sold? How many Wii's are incapable of playing games?
Now, how many XBox 360s have been sold? How many have RRoD'd?
"You FAIL. Good DAY sir."
L2read, I acknowledged that mistake in an earlier post. And no, you can't rate the xbox rrod's because you dont KNOW how many there are in the first place.
Now what was that?
Do you mean, you don't know how many replacment consoles are factored into their sales figures?
I fail? Okay, scratch my logic of 10% or 33% or whatever it is you think is wrong.
How amny Wiis have been sold? How many Wii's are incapable of playing games?
Now, how many XBox 360s have been sold? How many have RRoD'd?
"You FAIL. Good DAY sir."
L2read, I acknowledged that mistake in an earlier post. And no, you can't rate the xbox rrod's because you dont KNOW how many there are in the first place.
Now what was that?
Do you mean, you don't know how many replacment consoles are factored into their sales figures?
That doesn't mean anything conclusive. Like I said, you'd have to verify all the consoles with a large sample, using the scientific method. Because Microsoft doesn't count the other broken consoles nor the 360's repaired by the owners themselves.
And to those saying "get a pc" because it's somehow more dependable....i dont think so. i used to be diehard pc vs. console....building gaming rigs......
You can buy a cheap $500 PC, then upgrade it for maybe $300 every five or six years. That's not nearly as expensive as what you mentioned. Also, many modern games out for PC, like Call of Duty 4, Team Fortress 2, Half-Life 2 Episode 2, they all run just fine on my PC. in fact, apart from CoD4, everything ran fine on my PC from 2004. 2004! I've never had any problems with Blue screens, sound card drivers, video drivers, motherboards, anything! I'm not the only one either, the grand majority of people don't have problems running games on their PCs.
This is coming from someone who has both a decent gaming PC, and an XBox 360, and a PS2. I know what I'm talking about. You said you built Gaming rigs... I figured you'd know enough about them to build a computer that works.
'buy a PC for $500 and then upgrade it for $300 every 5 or 6 years?!?!?' LMAO. Wait, are you being serious? OMG, I think you are....
At least you figured, right. I do know enough about them. But hey, I'm glad it's working for ya. Good luck with those 'upgrades'.
Oh noes, $300 every 5 or 6 years? That's... $60 or $50 a year!!!
Enjoy your $60+ games. In Poland, console games are 200-300 PLN. Computer games are always cheaper than 130-150 PLN.
You pay almost double for a game with same framerate and inferior graphics, worse interface and more problematic saving system (because I don't know if there are games with "quick save" option on consoles). And after those 5 years I have to buy a new graphic card and maaaybe a new CPU. You have to buy a new console, because the old one is not compatibile with new games.
One of the reasons I didn't buy any new Gameboys after GBA - They will die in 3-4 years, another one will emerge... And you won't be getting any more games.
Besides, if an Xbox dies, you buy a new Xbox. If a PC dies, you replace the part that tripped and you are good to go. And you can upgrade the PC again.
Anyone who truly believes you'll only spend $300 every "5 or 6 years" to upgrade a PC that will keep up with technology, is futile to pursue. The minute you buy a PC and turn it on, it's already yesterday's news. Let alone, some manufactured PC w/propietary hardware that was only $500 initially to start with. You're gonna buy a new state of the art video card or CPU. What exactly are you going to do with them? Are you going to play with them running around the room pretending they are fighter planes? Because you certainly aren't putting them in your PC. In 5 or 6 years, the board on that PC, if it's even able to accept 3rd party upgrades, won't even have interfaces that accept the new technology any longer, unless you know how to, using your example of a video card, shove a PCI-E card into an AGP slot, or perhaps you know how to install dual video cards onto a board that has no idea what that is, nor the ports to do so. How about a quad-core CPU on your board that takes a socket478? Go ahead, give it a go. I'd love to watch. And even if you are able to install the new hardware, the mobo wouldn't even be able to gain any performance because the bus speed or bios of the board wouldn't know how to even use it, although I'm sure the guy at Wallymart told ya you'll see amazing improvement. So congratulations, you just wasted $300.
So you go ahead and keep upgrading that flintstone monkey in there with a new propietary stone and chisel. Throw some Crysis or Flight Simulator X or Oblivion or Assasins Creed for that matter on there, and enjoy with all the graphics options set to MAX, like every game needs to be played to fully enjoy and get your money's worth. Be sure to give the monkey some Red Bull first. And when you have a game that conflicts or won't run or runs choppy & laggy, you stress out and try to figure it out, meanwhile I'll pop a new game disc in my 360 and instantly begin playing in the comfort of my reclining sofa on the big hd screen.
I'll say it to you too, I'm glad it works for ya, really I am. And I understand when someone tries to make themself feel good about their budget rig and claim it performs like a NASA rocket. But not at someone else's expense, who actually knows the drill, and doesn't settle for mediocrity and minimum requirements.
Now how about, for the sake of the OP, we stop discussing PCs in this thread?
No thanks, I prefer a good controller to a crappy keyboard and mouse.
Not to mention, when I get a hot new title I like to be able to play it. Not have to install it, hope that my PC can handle it, etc,etc..
I love just putting it in the disc tray and going.
Considering I actually have both an Xbox Controller and a keyboard and mouse for my PC, I wouldn't have thought that would be much of a problem.
Installing takes about one minute, and the benefits are well worth it. Patience.
I said a good PC, which means it would definitely be able to handle it.
Since most/all my games are on Steam, I don't even need to put a disc in.
gmer412: I've had mine for about a month and a half, so i dunno if and when it'll fail...
And to the PC gamers: I agree with the control scheme argument. I don't like the fact that a new system of mine with 4GB RAM will take 27 hours to download Portal off steam. 64 KB/sec. WTF?!? Also, you need to constantly update your system to play the newest games. You need a lot of money for that.
(15 hours for HL: source)
That's your computer's fault for having a terrible connection. Mine downloads at about 700/800 kbps. It has nothing to do with RAM.
No thanks, I prefer a good controller to a crappy keyboard and mouse.
Not to mention, when I get a hot new title I like to be able to play it. Not have to install it, hope that my PC can handle it, etc,etc..
I love just putting it in the disc tray and going.
Not having to jump through a bunch of technical hoops just to play a game I can certainly understand and sympathise with; but what games play better with a game pad than mouse and keyboard?
In my resident over the years I've had a Nintendo Entertainment System, Super Nintendo, Sega Genisis, Sony Playstation (twice),Sega Dreamcast, Playstaion 2 (3 times), Xbox,Nintendo Gamecube, Wii and a Playstation 3.
Out of all these systems none have ever completely stopped working except the NES (Which didn't serive a trip to Kansas it was either the battery that broke [cold to the touch when we took it out of the moving box]or something in the system it self). but the rest of the consoles that broke after that at least had the merit to turn on though our 1st PS1, Dreamcast, and 1st two PS2s just stopped being able to read game disk they still turned on (Note: They all fell for one reason or another except the Dreamcast but it serived long past the system was deamed dead).
Thinking about it now I don't even recall anyone every saying thier system was or could tell them it was broken to complete inactivity to the point where repair is needed or look under the casing.