Steam made me a pirate!

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Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

Really?
It never happened to me or other people who are conscious about Internet that I know off.

It's his fault for being careless.

Edit:

I also would like to say that I'm a pirate, I go to malicious sites, I've been playing WoW for 2 years now and I never got any problems with anything.

I know how those programs work, I know how hackers access accounts, and I know how to defend myself.

geldonyetich:

now I sell copy's of L4D and the Orange Box to buy my honestly purchased Steam games again

I'm running under the assumption that what you mean by this is that you've got a keygen and are selling several copies of L4D and Orange Box, because this sentence only makes sense under English that way. Of course, titling the thread, "Steam made me a pirate" only helps to confirm this.

Somebody obviously didn't read the whole thread...

Seriously, though, CALL them, my friend Nick managed to get his ban lifted after talking to a real person.

Richard Groovy Pants:

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

Really?
It never happened to me or other people who are conscious about Internet that I know off.

Edit:

I also would like to say that I'm a pirate, I go to malicious sites, I've been playing WoW for 2 years now and I never got any problems with anything.

I know how those programs work, I know how hackers access accounts, and I know how to defend myself.

I know how to defend myself as well, but not everyone is tech savvy or has the money to buy one of those expensive anti virus software packages. All I can say to the people who cant afford it is to get the free vlc antivirus.

KungFuMaster:
Somebody obviously didn't read the whole thread...

[This was a reply to KungFuMaster's original post, just having my entire post quoted followed by the above comment, before he edited and clarified. ]

Since you're too busy making unnecessary block quotes and snarky remarks to clarify, I'll assume you're referring to this:

I don't think this is an exceptional case, I understand that accounts get hacked daily, but to take away from the wronged party is, well....wrong.

They received a number of emails from me providing proof of purchase, the IP I play from and all manner of 'What about if I....." scenarios, they just won't budge.

The trouble with this is I don't know exactly how it went down. It could just be he happened to have reached the sole idiot in Valve's support department who bungled his case. Does that give him license to start peddling illegal copies of their games on the Internet? No. And a judge would agree.

[Having seen you were specifically referring to his references about selling his existing copies of XBox games, I'm not sure I believe him when he said that. He goes from "I'm a pirate selling several copies" to "I'm actually just selling my existing 360 copies and this has nothing to do with piracy."]

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

Really?
It never happened to me or other people who are conscious about Internet that I know off.

Edit:

I also would like to say that I'm a pirate, I go to malicious sites, I've been playing WoW for 2 years now and I never got any problems with anything.

I know how those programs work, I know how hackers access accounts, and I know how to defend myself.

I know how to defend myself as well, but not everyone is tech savvy or has the money to buy one of those expensive anti virus software packages. All I can say to the people who cant afford it is to get the free vlc antivirus.

You consider typing in Google, "Free anti-virus download" and then going to the link and downloading AVG to be tech savvy?

Well that's where you and me disagree I'm afraid. :\

What I'm saying here is that I know plenty of people, and out of those people, the ones that understand the Internet never got hacked. That's a pretty big coincidence in my opinion.

Fangface74:
This was sparked by johnman's "Pirate copy of Fallout 3" thread

In a nutshell:

My Steam account got hacked, by the time (just over 3 weeks) Valve let me know it had indeed been hijacked and had reset my password. Logging in I found my account VAC banned. I was told that the ban would not be lifted and no information would be provided; like the type of cheat used or on what servers (like I give a shit), so now I sell copy's of L4D and the Orange Box to buy my honestly purchased Steam games again. Googling this situation shows Steam doesn't budge on this issue except in exceptional situations.

To all at Valve, I love your games, but take an unjustified, hard stance with me...expect the same in return. I'm not proud, but I've done nothing wrong yet receiving a penalty.

how did your account get hacked?

Erana:
I wish that one's steam profile would be seperate from one's actual games.
What bothers me is that, when my computer decides to be a jerk and not let me on the internet, I can't play my steam games, dispite the fact that they are on my computer.

The solution to that problem is setting your Steam client to auto-login and creating shortcuts for all the games. That'll let you play the games offline.

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

its all his fault if a key logger gets his details, here's an idea, dont be a tripfag.

dont allow your PC to download programs off the net, dont click on untested links, dont let your girlfriend have your password for hotmail to check that your not cybering with other girls that you only happen to fucking use the same password for everything else. Its common sense, just because this guy has paid for a game doesn't give him the right to be blase with the IP.

Same goes with crossing the street, looking both ways and you'll be fine, ask your girlfriend if its safe and your in a bloody heap.

ColdStorage:

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

its all his fault if a key logger gets his details, here's an idea, dont be a tripfag.

dont allow your PC to download programs off the net, dont click on untested links, dont let your girlfriend have your password for hotmail to check that your not cybering with other girls that you only happen to fucking use the same password for everything else. Its common sense, just because this guy has paid for a game doesn't give him the right to be blase with the IP.

Same goes with crossing the street, looking both ways and you'll be fine, ask your girlfriend if its safe and your in a bloody heap.

Whatever you people say it will never be his fault, simply because he did nothing wrong but...
If Valve on the other hand does not want to give him back his account that's an other thing. That depends on what the User Agreements were.

Heh, thanks for the security tips all but I'm covered there, I was online in the mid 80's (BBS's)and have installed more security, checked more ports and removed more malicious code than you've had hot dinners ;)

back to the point, I've had 1 prior issue with account security in nearly 2 decades, so 1 successful intrusion every 10 years isn't bad, it's just annoying picking up the pieces.

Geez, here I was hoping you were some angst-ridden kid. You're old enough that you should know better than to take the law into your own hands.

I mean, I respect that you're standing up for yourself and all, but I don't go slashing my neighbor's tires when he forgets to return the leaf blower.

Xvito:

ColdStorage:

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

its all his fault if a key logger gets his details, here's an idea, dont be a tripfag.

dont allow your PC to download programs off the net, dont click on untested links, dont let your girlfriend have your password for hotmail to check that your not cybering with other girls that you only happen to fucking use the same password for everything else. Its common sense, just because this guy has paid for a game doesn't give him the right to be blase with the IP.

Same goes with crossing the street, looking both ways and you'll be fine, ask your girlfriend if its safe and your in a bloody heap.

Whatever you people say it will never be his fault, simply because he did nothing wrong but...

He was careless. :]

I'm sorry but I'll have to go with the looking both ways before crossing the street analogy here, it fits majestically.

Richard Groovy Pants:
I'm sorry but I'll have to go with the looking both ways before crossing the street analogy here, it fits majestically.

Anaolgy #2:

A)If you leave your wallet sitting around and somebody takes it...careless?

B)Your wallet is comfortably in your inside pocket but an individual skilled in 'wallet removal' is working the crowd...careless? or unlucky?

EVERYBODY here has probably taken reasonable precaution yet still had something stolen from them, is it fair to be told that the item has been recovered, it's agreed it's yours but you can't have it back due to policy?

Fangface74:

Richard Groovy Pants:
I'm sorry but I'll have to go with the looking both ways before crossing the street analogy here, it fits majestically.

Anaolgy #2:

A)If you leave your wallet sitting around and somebody takes it...careless?

In a public place? It sure is.

B)Your wallet is comfortably in your inside pocket but an individual skilled in 'wallet removal' is working the crowd...careless? or unlucky?

A pick pocketer picking your wallet? Well if you don't have it showing then no it's not being careless.

EVERYBODY here has probably taken reasonable precaution yet still had something stolen from them, is it fair to be told that the item has been recovered, it's agreed it's yours but you can't have it back due to policy?

I don't know of anyone who has taken precautions on the Internet and still got hacked. That's why I'm finding it a huge coincidence since all my friends who don't understand why Windows is called Windows get hacked/infected quite often.

geldonyetich:
Geez, here I was hoping you were some angst-ridden kid. You're old enough that you should know better than to take the law into your own hands.

I mean, I respect that you're standing up for yourself and all, but I don't go slashing my neighbor's tires when he forgets to return the leaf blower.

I know, your right of course, I'm not going to have any trouble sleeping but I have little recourse, the 1 viable suggestion from this thread I haven't tried is an actual phone call, I'll give it a try and see what happens, if it comes up aces I'll immediately snap in 2 the dodgy disks, but if not Valve will get me back as a begrudging customer, only I'll be using money that could've gone straight into their pockets.

Richard Groovy Pants:
I don't know of anyone who has taken precautions on the Internet and still got hacked. That's why I'm finding it a huge coincidence since all my friends who don't understand why Windows is called Windows get hacked/infected quite often.

I promise you, the only foolproof method of securing your system from the net is to unplug your modem.

Dessembrae:
this is one of the main reasons why i NEVER by full games or even expansions via digital distribution!
xbox live arcade games yes, DLC like maps and small expansions yes. But never full games.

second reason is that i don't really feel like i "own" the game unless i have a hard copy...but that's just me :p

Exactamundo. Hard copies are always best, no matter the media.

Here is what you do.

Make a new steam account.

Mail Valvae from a different e-mail address saying you bought them second hand. Take new photos that resemble in no way the old ones (no noticeable furniture etc, no face either), and they will move the keys to your account.

This has worked for a friend of mine before on my suggestion.

Xvito:

ColdStorage:

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

its all his fault if a key logger gets his details, here's an idea, dont be a tripfag.

dont allow your PC to download programs off the net, dont click on untested links, dont let your girlfriend have your password for hotmail to check that your not cybering with other girls that you only happen to fucking use the same password for everything else. Its common sense, just because this guy has paid for a game doesn't give him the right to be blase with the IP.

Same goes with crossing the street, looking both ways and you'll be fine, ask your girlfriend if its safe and your in a bloody heap.

Whatever you people say it will never be his fault, simply because he did nothing wrong but...
If Valve on the other hand does not want to give him back his account that's an other thing. That depends on what the User Agreements were.

If he's been stupid enough to have his account hacked by being a tripfag then, yes, yes it is his fault.

If your in a baseball game and you get clocked in the side of your head by a home run then its your fault for not paying attention to the fucking game, your connected to a whole world of hurt from your PC, pay attention to it.

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

handofpwn:

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:
Like -616- said, there not going to help me, they're quiet clear on this :(

And to all the "You've only got yourself to blame" crew...one question;

how exactly?

Because you don't know how to effectively protect your account of hackers.
Or maybe because you downloaded a virus without knowing and it key logged you of your password.

how exactly is it his fault that a keylogger took his details without his knowledge? No matter how careful you are, there is always the chance that you could get an E-STD.

Really?
It never happened to me or other people who are conscious about Internet that I know off.

Edit:

I also would like to say that I'm a pirate, I go to malicious sites, I've been playing WoW for 2 years now and I never got any problems with anything.

I know how those programs work, I know how hackers access accounts, and I know how to defend myself.

I know how to defend myself as well, but not everyone is tech savvy or has the money to buy one of those expensive anti virus software packages. All I can say to the people who cant afford it is to get the free vlc antivirus.

Mine wasn't that expensive, and it has stopped every attack so far for the last three years running.

scotth266:
Exactamundo. Hard copies are always best, no matter the media.

Yeah i do miss them, damn digital these days

Fangface74:

Richard Groovy Pants:
I don't know of anyone who has taken precautions on the Internet and still got hacked. That's why I'm finding it a huge coincidence since all my friends who don't understand why Windows is called Windows get hacked/infected quite often.

I promise you, the only foolproof method of securing your system from the net is to unplug your modem.

I'm very aware of that. But why would a hacker centre his attention on you? I just seems ludicrous. Unless you lost your password trough a keylogger, which should be blamed on a keylogger. Which any anti-virus would intercept.

See my line of thought?

Erana:
I wish that one's steam profile would be seperate from one's actual games.
What bothers me is that, when my computer decides to be a jerk and not let me on the internet, I can't play my steam games, dispite the fact that they are on my computer.

That's why I hate steam. It really makes me feel as if I don't OWN the game.

The only other problem I have with steam is that I bought SR2 off it because it had a decent meta rating. How does a game that is unplayable receive a number above 30? And really, its quite stupid to say you committed a crime. Not OJ bad, but pretty stupid.

DragunovHUN:
To be fair it's kinda your fault for letting your account get hacked

You could apply this to bank heists too. I mean, it's their fault for being such an appealing target, isn't it?

Richard Groovy Pants:

Fangface74:

Richard Groovy Pants:
I don't know of anyone who has taken precautions on the Internet and still got hacked. That's why I'm finding it a huge coincidence since all my friends who don't understand why Windows is called Windows get hacked/infected quite often.

I promise you, the only foolproof method of securing your system from the net is to unplug your modem.

I'm very aware of that. But why would a hacker centre his attention on you? I just seems ludicrous. Unless you lost your password trough a keylogger, which should be blamed on a keylogger. Which any anti-virus would intercept.

See my line of thought?

"Hi I'm Troy McClure, you may remember me from such overly convoluted hacking techniques as asking a guy for his password and him not seeing if a program isn't a keylogger program"

screw this shit, I've had enough of this site and you people, i'm off to talk to that Nigerian General on hotmail with 10 mil in the bank, at least he listens to me and understands how I feel.

Erana:
I wish that one's steam profile would be seperate from one's actual games.
What bothers me is that, when my computer decides to be a jerk and not let me on the internet, I can't play my steam games, dispite the fact that they are on my computer.

There is an offline mode for Steam. When you log on to Steam and it fails to connect a button on the failed connection window should say a play offline .

Fangface I'm getting mighty curious to hear how your account was hijacked. I believe that if there are Hollywood super hackers out there who can access a persons information through protective software without that person taking some ill-advised action to give them a way in, then these people would be far too contented counting all the money they had received from the worlds governments holding our nuclear stockpiles to ransom....or some such shit.

While I feel bad for the OP, I can't say I disagree with Valve's stance on the issue. Hell, I've had my account hacked before (long time ago, hasn't happened since, and I'm a much smarter user now) which involved a long process and lots of communication with Valve.

The OP had the misfortune of dealing with both hacking and account stealing, which I would hope isn't a very widespread issue, but at some point, he became a target, and most of the time that occurs through some fault of the user (trojan, keylogger, negligence).

And yes, GenHellspawn, it is their fault that banks are appealing targets, because of the type of business they chose to go into and conduct; as such, they have much higher security and take many more precautions than a convenience store would take.

Frankly, 100% securing your system is impossible if you leave it out on the public net. It's far harder to secure a system that can run Steam, too.

So unless you have a machine for running Steam and only Steam, the chances are you will be vulnerable at some point. No antivirus, no update, no firewall can protect you all of the time... as someone who has fallen to a zero-day virus thrice now can attest to. Thrice in five years, mind you, but still, it happens.

Much more so for someone without professional level skills for securing his system.

Erana:
I wish that one's steam profile would be seperate from one's actual games.
What bothers me is that, when my computer decides to be a jerk and not let me on the internet, I can't play my steam games, dispite the fact that they are on my computer.

It is anti-piracy technique.

By logging into steam they make sure you don't put the game on a USB drive and then sell it.

Richard Groovy Pants:
If your account got hacked then there's no one to blame but yourself.

That's all I have to say about this.

It's more than just the victim to blame. If there weren't such such annoying fuckheads on the internet, we wouldn't have this problem.
And it's not necessarily you who's installed the spyware - most likely your nave brother with no concept for illegal activety on the net.

Bulletinmybrain:

Erana:
I wish that one's steam profile would be seperate from one's actual games.
What bothers me is that, when my computer decides to be a jerk and not let me on the internet, I can't play my steam games, dispite the fact that they are on my computer.

It is anti-piracy technique.

By logging into steam they make sure you don't put the game on a USB drive and then sell it.

Yes, but its annoying as Hell. AND the offline play doesn't want to work.

@Richard Groovy Pants
It seems that your entire argument is based on the fact that people should know that there is a risk of being hacked on anything, thus they should protect all their passwords/computers to make it as hard as possible for the hackers to get into, and i agree 100%. However, even the best of computer users can be careless and get hacked. So instead of wasting your time tell us that OP should have used better protection, tell him getting back at valve is not a solution

also when people do stupid things, they don't try to learn from the mistake, but rather sue the company for millions of dollars. IE Liebeck v. McDonald' (AKA the hot coffee case)

So you cheated and got caught. Unlucky, but move on.

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