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This JonTron person is being a twat. The initial insult doesn't bother me at all -the word 'retarded' doesn't seem out of place at all for what he was trying to convey-, but he follows it up with personal insults and comments laden with hypocrisy. Not very classy and in no way clever of him.

The Lunatic:
Why exactly is "The R Word" somehow more offensive than many other words which mean the exact same thing?

He didn't say it was worse though, did he? 'Retarded' could have been swapped for a whole bunch of other words that would have carried the same or similar meaning in that context, but they always do carry meaning. The very purpose of language is to convey meaning, if words held no meaning they would be pointless and you would be right; they would only be sounds. And you can think of plenty of words off the top of your head that are far more hurtful and offensive than others, lets not pretend that isn't true.

Question: Why should one use derogatory words at all, knowing that they can cause pain?

Note, it's not why should one be allowed to do so, but why should one even do it in the first place?

jpz719:
In Jontron's defense, I can imagine him, like most people are pretty damn fed up with the perma-butthurt, PC brigade that infests Tumblr in every nook, cranny, and orifice, where an opposing view shall never be mentioned, for fear of being called a straight white dude, even when you're not. Tumblr is about as fascist as sites go, it's pretty understandable if people aren't going to listen to the prime cause of said fascism. For all the bullcrap the pyschos spew about being "NO RASICSM, SEXISM, BLAHBLAHBLAH!!" they tend to spew THE MOST racist, sexist, offensive, downright insulting horsecrap I have ever seen.

I went to a High School that had the best special needs classes in the region and so there were alot of people that had mental issues there. There were kids there that would bully them and they called them retarded and the kids would be hurt by this. Its a word that does hurt people and it was used that way by JonTron to compare PSNow and this guy to people that he thinks of as less than he is. I'm sure he doesn't consciously hate these people but unconsciously thats exactly how he used the word.

QuietlyListening:
Question: Why should one use derogatory words at all, knowing that they can cause pain?

Note, it's not why should one be allowed to do so, but why should one even do it in the first place?

For the same reason we have any verb, adjective or noun, it vocalizes how we feel in a means which others can understand.

If that happens to offend people, well that's their problem, not the person saying it.

I wholeheartedly agree with this johntron fellow whom i personally dont know shit about, nor do i care to find out more beyond the fact that he apparently is a dick. Big whoop, he called the ps4 retarded, and some white knights take offense to the word retard. The kind of crowd that is offended at the word Retarded is one thing, but telling someone on the internet not to use naughty words is like telling a baby not to eat everything in sight. This is why i prefer 4chan and its horrible stench to tumblr sometimes, it's just easier when everyone is part of the same group of retarded faggots and no one really takes offense, and when they do they get laughed at.

If everything is offensive, nothing truly is, and these sort of people who take offense to a single word(, and not even a very seriously offensive word in my book,)clearly have no use being on the internet. It's not flowers and sunshine, it's cruel and inhabited by a race of basement-dwelling troll, and they dont care for whiteknights. Nor should they IMO.

lacktheknack:

Savagezion:
Kids can understand this very logic with "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will NEVER hurt me."

Kids know this is horseshit.

A kid told me recently that "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can make me think I deserved it."

How messed up is that?

Sorry I meant 80's kids. Todays kids have had a whole generation of adults telling them that words hurt people. But they don't, behavior does. More specifically, behavior patterns as that is how we communicate. We are social creatures by nature and it doesn't matter if we are grunting or using words. Self image complexes will exist with or without words because it is a behavior pattern thing. If a specific word offends you, you should recognize that you have given yourself a behavior pattern of being stung by that word. It's probably a behavior pattern you noticed in your environment that uses that word specifically and the behavior pattern you gave yourself is most likely a defense mechanism. However, I want to grab what scrumpmonkey said and point out some irony.

Scrumpmonkey:
Not everyone has the same stance as you. Not everyone uses words culturally like you do. Not everyone has the same sense of humor.

This is a good simple way of defining it. As for the irony, political correctness isn't even politically correct as it doesn't take everyone's views into account. It simply makes a system where being offended is the same as being right/victimized. We ignore any context of the aggressor's side and automatically side with the supposed victim.

ayvee:

Savagezion:

ayvee:

Yeah no.

Are we really at a point where intentionally offending people is something that we're going to heroize? I mean it's one thing if you just don't care, but to think that by invoking slurs against marginalized groups you're doing a favor to them?

The only "thinking" a homosexual is going to have in response to a homophobic slur is how messed up things still are for us. And so on.

First, I am not heroizing anything. I am stating that if someone saves a word for people to use to offend them with, and someone uses that word - it isn't the fault of the person who used the word. If the word faggot offends someone, perhaps they should consider thinking about why. Is someone that says "fucking faggot" any worse than someone who says "fucking homosexual"? If I call someone a dummy head in a nasty tone is it really any different calling them fucking stupid in a nasty tone? Words only have the power you lend them. If you lend power to slurs, you are to blame if you get hurt by them.

Kids can understand this very logic with "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will NEVER hurt me." Nowadays, we got grown people saying 'words hurt'. I say they can hurt if you let them. Intention matters more than the word itself. There is no such thing as a 'bad word' as words are neutral. If a word expresses an idea or emotion, then it is a 'good word' by definition. Feel free to make what you will of the person behind the words but the word is just a word.

You're taking responsibility for the use of words away from the people using them and trying to hold up offending people as necessarily good for the people being offended. I don't know how you define heroizing, but.

No I am giving equal responsibility to the people listening to someone's words. Start looking at the meaning and quit injecting meaning into someone else's words. The first way to do it is by being able to stop saying "_________ is automatically an offensive word." Stop making people apologize for expressing themselves.

I'm not straight, and I promise you that I have considerably more insight into what it's like to be called a "fucking faggot" than some self-righteous comedian. There are no more angles to this word that I need to consider. An emotion (or an idea, for that matter) is not inherently good. You're contradicting yourself if you say words can't be bad because they're neutral, but they can be good if they make you feel something. And no kidding intention matters. Intention can be a huge part of how you're marginalizing someone. If someone calls me a "fucking faggot" they're probably not trying to get on my good side. But yes, I should just be thankful that they decided to grace me with the chance to have this deep faggot-inspired insight into the human condition. How thoughtful of them.

You have more insight into what it's like to deal with anti-gay behavior more than he does, sure. As for more insight into being called a "fucking faggot" I would bet you have both experienced that from two completely different places and thus the word association is different. It's also funny you call him self-righteous then immediately say that there are no more angles for you to look at this from. Because you think you are right I am guessing.

Bolded: I did not say that. I said:

. There is no such thing as a 'bad word' as words are neutral. If a word expresses an idea or emotion, then it is a 'good word' by definition.

I did not say if they 'make you feel good'. I said if they express an idea or emotion, which is the purpose of words. So if they help you express more accurately, it is a good word. (Good = proper/correct NOT Good = warm/fuzzy)

Following the bolded part, yes you should be happy that they are being honest with you. They are letting you know them honestly. They are not smiling to your face and then going over to someone behind your back and sabotaging you. They are being themselves around you which, believe it or not I think everyone should see that as honorable. That doesn't mean you have to like the guy, but there should be a level of respect that the guy isn't afraid to be who he is, yes? He's being loud and proud. Isn't that promoted behavior by the gay community?

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But why choose that word instead of a synonym that isn't derogatory or insulting? Why say "retarded" or "gay" instead of just saying "stupid?"

I suppose if you don't care about how other people feel, it wouldn't matter. But assuming that one has empathy for others, there doesn't seem to be a good reason.

EDIT: And since we all seem to be fans of clip posting, I like this one: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/wug1p5/tim-shriver

Savagezion:
snip.

I want to make it clear, like I said in my first post, that I'm specifically addressing the argument your image was making and which you still seem to be set on defending. I don't much care what kind of words you use and I'm not going to try and police you for them, but to think that if your words offend/marginalize someone, then you're only doing a positive service for them by making them think about why they're offended/marginalized (with the clear implication that you think they haven't done that before/don't do it regularly) is the most ludicrously self-righteous and egotistical position I've ever seen expressed on these forums.

Again, you're not just saying I can use whatever words I want and I don't care what anyone thinks. You're saying I can say whatever I want to whoever I want and if it hurts them then I'm doing a good thing.

Everything you're saying is a textbook example of why words like "privilege" (or even "trigger") exist, but something tells me you're just going to scoff at that notion.

ayvee:

Savagezion:
snip.

I want to make it clear, like I said in my first post, that I'm specifically addressing the argument your image was making and which you still seem to be set on defending. I don't much care what kind of words you use and I'm not going to try and police you for them, but to think that if your words offend/marginalize someone, then you're only doing a positive service for them by making them think about why they're offended/marginalized (with the clear implication that you think they haven't done that before/don't do it regularly) is the most ludicrously self-righteous and egotistical position I've ever seen expressed on these forums.

Again, you're not just saying I can use whatever words I want and I don't care what anyone thinks. You're saying I can say whatever I want to whoever I want and if it hurts them then I'm doing a good thing.

Everything you're saying is a textbook example of why words like "privilege" exist, but something tells me you're just going to scoff at that notion.

Haha, privilege. There's the fallback word. I assume an eyeroll is a scoff, yes?

It's funny you have taken a picture of Louis CK I posted and used his quote as my words to shame me. I will say that I agree with him to an extent on this, to which extent I have defended. His quote is actually fairly vague in what it is referring to. I did draw a link to it and political correctness in my post that I stand by. The second picture is as eually important as the first in MY words.

For the record I will say that I am not doing the offended party any favors if they refuse to consider my point of view and think about it. However, I stated that initially. Unless you count offering a couple sentences somewhere that allows you to assume you know more about my life than I and you can call me privileged to validate your own opinion, in that regard, I have done you a favor. That is, a way out of having to think about all those other words. To which I say 'you're welcome'. Just trying to share my privilege.

Savagezion:
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My apologies if I do equate your views with the quote in the image macro. If I recall, it was more or less all that your original post put forward, and as such it's what I was responding to.

But my parting thought is that, by your own reasoning, perhaps the use of the word "privilege" is something you could stand to consider a little further.

TotalBiscuits response had me in stitches even though it wasn't even that funny.

I know JT from several Did You Know Gaming? YT videos. Anything beyond that is inconsequential to me, just as PewDiePie is nothing more than some guy screaming in an annoying voice into his mic for 10 minutes straight like a jackass, yet apparently he is supposed to be sacrosanct in the gaming community.

I have no issue with the word retarded, or any other word in any other language aside from personal preferences. There are no bad words, only bad thoughts and bad intentions.

There are many appropriate non antagonistic uses for the word retarded, but sadly people use it to hurt others, and IMO even more sadly people lose their shit like you just dug up their dead pet dog and fucked it on the steps of the white house if you say it.

Even if its about an abstract concept, or something else other than an actual person.

People that are ready at a moments notice to rip your throat out over what often amounts to a brainfart or parroting back idiomatic speech regarding something they find less than satisfactory are total dicks.

As for Tumblr, the only things I have ever found on it are blogs with pictures of cute animals, blogs with artist's wip, and assorted nonsense. Also lots and lots of pony porn, whether you wanted to see it or not.

Its like Reddit, without the democracy, or the discussions. Its basically MySpace pages from the 90s.

Not that Reddit is all that great. It too is basically used to post porn by people too dim to be discreet about it. I don't mean regular porn either. Seriously you can go there right now and see things that are illegal in most countries with zero effort.

TLDR: The internet is 90% trolls, and caring what any of them say or do should be a sign that you need counseling.

ayvee:

Savagezion:
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My apologies if I do equate your views with the quote in the image macro. If I recall, it was more or less all that your original post put forward, and as such it's what I was responding to.

But my parting thought is that, by your own reasoning, perhaps the use of the word "privilege" is something you could stand to consider a little further.

I always have and always will most likely.

"The unexamined life is not worth living for a human being." - Socrates

But so far I have found no real evidence of it. The argument behind it thus far is seirously about as substantiated as 'penis envy'. While there may be some nugget of reality you can attach to it, it can't hold much weight behind it. As far as privilege goes, money and power seems to be the winning factor from my perspective by a large margin, not appearance. Money protects itself. Now if we look at the appearance of where the money and power is resting it does fall into the hands of straight white males. Unfortunately, it is the same kind of straight white males that tend to hate me; conservatives. There will not be a week that passes I do not think about privilege or penis envy or a million other things in life.

Even though I don't care for people much in general, human behavior fascinates me for some reason. I have seen people do 180's in behavior over what I consider very small insignificant things. Yet I have seen them also stand up against very big things even to their own detriment. Our behavior is to sporadic for labels of any kind especially ones based on something like appearance.

Savagezion:
However, I want to grab what scrumpmonkey said and point out some irony.

Scrumpmonkey:
Not everyone has the same stance as you. Not everyone uses words culturally like you do. Not everyone has the same sense of humor.

This is a good simple way of defining it. As for the irony, political correctness isn't even politically correct as it doesn't take everyone's views into account. It simply makes a system where being offended is the same as being right/victimized. We ignore any context of the aggressor's side and automatically side with the supposed victim.

I don't understand why people go "I'm going to shit on you for shitting on some hypothetical victim"

I remember this discussion came up with Beej from LRR and his rule of thumb and ideas of subjectivity were some of the best I've heard. Don't be an asshole. If you're telling someone off for being an asshole by being an asshole back then how does that make you right or better? Sometimes what people do treads on each-others toes but you just have to sit back for minute and think before hand "What is going to be achieved here?".

Was there REALLY so much moral good in chastising and antagonizing someone for saying something you personally found offensive but isn't really harming anyone? What is being a bigger asshole, saying a pejorative term some feel is outdated in an offhand but in the original instance non-insulting way or telling someone unsolicited what they can and can't say in a superior manor?

This is what baffles me about those who say "SJWs don't exist it's just an insult!" No they do exist; it is a useful term of derision. It's about people who feel like they are doing good but are actually just blundering around being massive dicks to everyone for their own ego. It's an important term to have. Yes its meaning has been eroded but these people DO exist and their behavior SHOULD be pointed out for the hypocritical bullshit it is. You can't make the world a better place by being a self-superior cunt. You can't apply your own half-baked moral code onto everyone because your opinion is the only right one. That IS being intolerant. It's being an ass. And many people can't see outside their own arrogance bubble to realize that.

It's like the leap people make that anyone who thinks homosexuality is against their beliefs does not have the right to a job or to even exist. It's an uncomfortable fact that people with opposing opinions you feel are ugly will always exist. Religious people have the right to think that. The sate shouldn't let them effect other people with that belief but they can hold it within their own mind and not lose the right to be a person. Being able to say "I disagree with your opinion violently but i think it has the right to exist" is part of being an adult in an imperfect world. MANY people regard all kinds of what you would think of as 'normal' beliefs as abhorrent; you can't hate and tear down everyone who disagrees with you even if their stance is morally repugnant to you. It's part of being TRULY TOLERANT.

Things like this makes me wonder why human beings bother interacting with one another. Hell, I remember back as a kid in the 90s EVERYONE including teachers saying the word retarded. Anymore if you say anything that's remotely not politically correct, the no life police state protectors of everyone's feelings rise up to defend the feelings of those who are "hurt" from words. The funny thing is this mostly only happens on the internet. I would LOVE someone in South Bend, IN tried to do this crap. That person would honestly be kicked out of the city with nothing on his/her back. People around here don't put up with whiners crap. You don't like was said? Guess that means you have to stay inside and don't socialize.

Ratty:
JonTron thinks being offended is dumb and tantamount to censorship from people who are just too sensitive and "PC".
Unless of course he's the one who is offended.
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The hypocrisy is palpable. As PsychadelicEyeball put it on twitter "JonTron sure knows how to dig a grave. I went from thinking the response to his tweets was being too excessive to totally warranted."

Wait... So Russian Guyovich is Palestinian? What a world...

QuietlyListening:
But why choose that word instead of a synonym that isn't derogatory or insulting? Why say "retarded" or "gay" instead of just saying "stupid?"

I suppose if you don't care about how other people feel, it wouldn't matter. But assuming that one has empathy for others, there doesn't seem to be a good reason.

EDIT: And since we all seem to be fans of clip posting, I like this one: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/wug1p5/tim-shriver

If you make words taboo, people will think it's funny to say them. Lenny Bruce, am I right?

NoX 9:
This JonTron person is being a twat. The initial insult doesn't bother me at all -the word 'retarded' doesn't seem out of place at all for what he was trying to convey-, but he follows it up with personal insults and comments laden with hypocrisy. Not very classy and in no way clever of him.

Sounds about right. I would imagine the winning move was not to play.

Personal opinion: You could easily read Ben Huber's first post as being smug, I can see why it wouldn't be appreciated.

TheMigrantSoldier:

Jokes are conveyed properly with body language and tone. You don't get that with online text. Calling someone who you've never met "retarded" over Twitter isn't what I'd call fun and games. It came off as venting, to me.

I use twitter a lot, and I see responses like JonTron's a lot. In fact, his response was a lot tamer than most.

TheMigrantSoldier:

As with Tumblr, I haven't really seen much from them, to be honest. I've heard that they have a nasty vocal minority but I'll just take words for words.

There all abuzz on it now. Though he has some defenders.

TheMigrantSoldier:

The PC white knights you mentioned are the bogeymen I was referring to. The guy Jon insulted (from my point of view) insisted that he was just asking for it to stop and the rationale behind it. A fan's response? "PC Police!"

They're bogeymen to you because you think they aren't a problem. I've had about 10 people on twitter say I'm a bigot by supporting JonTron's stance.

As for the guy who asked him to stop, he has actually been the most reasonable person on that PC side. He doesn't deserve any hatred he's getting.

TheMigrantSoldier:

The_Kodu:
How dare you say his point should STICK.
I find that offensive how dare you say a point should stick. A point could branch, I find your language highly offensive and demand an apology for it.

You're welcome to represent my post in whatever way you feel like, I guess.

Well I'm sure you wouldn't feel that way if hundreds of people who were somehow offended by your post said that you shouldn't use that word.

Lovely Mixture:

TheMigrantSoldier:

Jokes are conveyed properly with body language and tone. You don't get that with online text. Calling someone who you've never met "retarded" over Twitter isn't what I'd call fun and games. It came off as venting, to me.

I use twitter a lot, and I see responses like JonTron's a lot. In fact, his response was a lot tamer than most.

TheMigrantSoldier:

As with Tumblr, I haven't really seen much from them, to be honest. I've heard that they have a nasty vocal minority but I'll just take words for words.

There all abuzz on it now. Though he has some defenders.

TheMigrantSoldier:

The PC white knights you mentioned are the bogeymen I was referring to. The guy Jon insulted (from my point of view) insisted that he was just asking for it to stop and the rationale behind it. A fan's response? "PC Police!"

They're bogeymen to you because you think they aren't a problem. I've had about 10 people on twitter say I'm a bigot by supporting JonTron's stance.

As for the guy who asked him to stop, he has actually been the most reasonable person on that PC side. He doesn't deserve any hatred he's getting.

TheMigrantSoldier:

The_Kodu:
How dare you say his point should STICK.
I find that offensive how dare you say a point should stick. A point could branch, I find your language highly offensive and demand an apology for it.

You're welcome to represent my post in whatever way you feel like, I guess.

Well I'm sure you wouldn't feel that way if hundreds of people who were somehow offended by your post said that you shouldn't use that word.

I'm not really good with quote shuffling here. Bear with me :|

"I use twitter a lot, and I see responses like JonTron's a lot. In fact, his response was a lot tamer than most."

Yeah, sorry. The argument that "He really meant something else" with "He's not as bad as those other guys" doesn't really cut it. The fact is, he was "joking" with some guy who had a post with an seemingly serious and innocent intent.

"They're bogeymen to you because you think they aren't a problem. I've had about 10 people on twitter say I'm a bigot by supporting JonTron's stance.

As for the guy who asked him to stop, he has actually been the most reasonable person on that PC side. He doesn't deserve any hatred he's getting."

No. They're bogeyman because they are used as a device to derail discussions and invalidate the opposition with sentiments including "free speech" and the like. I remember experiences with those nasty, vocal PC police, in fact. The few ones who I could swear were just joking around, a la Poe's Law. However, I remember far more people complaining about said PC police, in practice.

The point of my entire argument was that none of JonTron's dickishness should have been aimed at that guy (disregarding the rest). If he really was joking (which I still doubt), why didn't he put a "seriously though..." and give him an earnest reason as to why he doesn't believe in all that PC stuff?

In fact, that Benhuber guy (or whoever) said something along the lines of "I find that word offensive and would appreciate if you would stop it. Just asking" instead of "You're an asshole who should watch what you say". What was the first response directed at him? How he's this PC white knight who Jon should steer clear of.

In all fairness, most of the hostility toward that guy was from Jon's fans.

"Well I'm sure you wouldn't feel that way if hundreds of people who were somehow offended by your post said that you shouldn't use that word."

Like whoever originally quoted that, you missed my earlier sentiment. I don't care how he used that word. It annoys me in the same way gay is sometimes used but I just shrug and move on.

TheMigrantSoldier:

Yeah, sorry. The argument that "He really meant something else" with

But if he meant something else then....

TheMigrantSoldier:

"He's not as bad as those other guys" doesn't really cut it.

I wasn't saying that at all. I was saying that it speaks of how sensitive people are. If a joke that is clear to me upset so many people.

TheMigrantSoldier:

The fact is, he was "joking" with some guy who had a post with an seemingly serious and innocent intent.

.....And there's a problem with that? You're not allowed make jokes in serious discussions?

TheMigrantSoldier:

No. They're bogeyman because they are used as a device to derail discussions and invalidate the opposition with sentiments including "free speech" and the like. I remember experiences with those nasty, vocal PC police, in fact. The few ones who I could swear were just joking around, a la Poe's Law. However, I remember far more people complaining about said PC police, in practice.

I'm confused.
These overzealous people who meet the description of the overzealous people we speak of are not the people we speak of?

And I'm confused by the later part of your post.

TheMigrantSoldier:

The point of my entire argument was that none of JonTron's dickishness should have been aimed at that guy (disregarding the rest). If he really was joking (which I still doubt), why didn't he put a "seriously though..." and give him an earnest reason as to why he doesn't believe in all that PC stuff?

Cause he didn't think people were so sensitive to take this so seriously. I know I wouldn't, and I consider myself to be quite sensitive.

TheMigrantSoldier:

How he's this PC white knight who Jon should steer clear of.

I never said he was. I don't think he is. He supports PC, but he's not an asshole who's calling Jontron an "ableist" or a bigot over this.

TheMigrantSoldier:

I don't care how he used that word. It annoys me in the same way gay is sometimes used but I just shrug and move on.

Which is the normal response.

Speaking as someone who watches and likes most of his videos, yup, he pretty much deserves the inevitable internet lashing he's about to get. I do agree that he used the term retarded in the same way many people commonly used 'gay' or 'you're such a faggot,' even when they didn't have actual homophobia or the like, but at the same time, I can't understand this pent-up hostility towards people who point OUT that the word is not, in actuality, a terribly awesome thing to say. Because it isn't. Admittedly doesn't keep me from using 'retarded' when I'm frustrated about something, but if someone points OUT to me upon use of a word its negative implications, I'll usually just apologize for having offended them, and try not to use it in their presence any more.

The fact that SAYING 'retarded' or 'faggot' or something, more and more, seems to be getting painted as being far less offensive than pointing out that those words are offensive to others is just... WEIRD. o.O Especially since, let's face it, some of the people who give a shit might actually have personal connections that make such things uncomfortable, (my favorite uncle is gay, and since he came out I just don't feel comfortable really spending time with folks who toss out the negatively-inclined buzz words connecting to that on a regular basis; I don't try to preach to em, though, just stop hanging out with them.)

Whereas the people using the words are just using them cause... well, they don't really have a reason, they just think 'lawl, funny.' Or sometimes just because they're accustomed to using them and don't even really think further than that.

Anyway his retort to the guy who pointed out how rude it was was just pure, hundred perfect dick move. Don't like such a thing being pointed out, then follow that 'mind your own business' thing that's preached so zealously and ignooore iiiit. Or, if you're going to make a joke, for the love of God let it be something REMOTELY creative; his response had all the humor and innovation of a middle-schooler going 'Yeah, yeah, well... you're ugly and your mom is a slut!' and then sticking his tongue out with his eyes crossed. If you look at, say a Comedy Roast, the difference between a bad roaster and a good roaster boils down not to how PC they are, but rather how funny they are; if you make a dick statement, and it isn't even funny, then joke or not, prepare for the backlash.

And that whole Gaza strip statement, way to go from dick move to really stupid dick move. o.O Especially given the post that started all this was essentially complaining about pricing on a game streaming service, which is pretty much 'First World Problems' embodied. Why was he there complaining about game streaming services when there are kids in Africa with no games or food, eh? Eh?? Pretty much seemed like he was snapping out responses without taking a second to figure how completely things would snowball, which if you're going to do that, then don't be surprised WHEN things snowball.

Internet persona uses intentionally provocative wording. Public reacts. Internet persona generates presence. Internet persona profits.

Internet persona uses insulting cop-out. Public reacts. Internet persona generates presence. Internet persona profits.

In other words, business as usual on internet. And people are arguing over that. I guess people could do worse things. But at lease people are not advocating such behavior. Oh, sorry, the do. ;(

i'm dyslexic and i could easily find it very offensive when people correct me or make any insult / joke towards my disability but i don't because my ass isn't going to respond to people making fun of something that i was born with

i do what anyone else would do and build a bridge and get over it and if that bridge isn't big enough, i build a bigger bridge

so why not let people who are suffering from said mental illness or at least look after people who do defend themselves against these insults instead of social justice warrior rushing and crying for something they have no understanding over

I hope the people offended by Jon's tweet don't watch any of the game grumps episodes he's in, otherwise they're in for a surprise as he has said some waaay more 'offensive' stuff on there. Also, Jon said that he did not apologize, as it would have been disingenuous. It's kind of sad to think about how many people would have been happy with an apology that was insincere.

On a related note, I 100% agree with what Jon said in the interview about this whole mess:

'I can guarantee you, without naming names, that every big YouTuber or Hollywood celeb that apologizes for saying a 'bad word' does NOT mean it 99 percent of the time. It's all public relations nonsense.'

QuietlyListening:
Question: Why should one use derogatory words at all, knowing that they can cause pain?

Note, it's not why should one be allowed to do so, but why should one even do it in the first place?

I suppose you have never been annoyed by someone and answered with an insult. Or you have, but it hasn't been endlessly debated on internet forums afterwards.

This whole non-controversy certainly brought out the hypocrisy in people. It's really easy to hold someone to an unreasonable standard, especially when you already consider them to be an asshole, and there's no one around to testify if your past behavior fits with what you are preaching.

There goes another internet critic/comedian being a dick. Who woulda thunk it?
And there goes certain people on Tumberleleer being them apparently.

These topics remind me of gossip rags. We're no better than those people who purchase crap magazines filled 'OMG pregancy!', 'OMG we invented sex!', 'Look who's doin' who!' and soap opera storylines and so and so forth.

Ain't it grand?

EDIT: That said though, I would have though he'd have more class than to insult that other guy. Hopefully he was just having a bad day or something and everything will be fine, maybe an apology and then we can all just bake cakes with happiness and rainbows for a bit. Until next time.

Who is JohnTron? Why does what he say matter?

NoX 9:
This JonTron person is being a twat. The initial insult doesn't bother me at all -the word 'retarded' doesn't seem out of place at all for what he was trying to convey-, but he follows it up with personal insults and comments laden with hypocrisy. Not very classy and in no way clever of him.

Just because an apology makes the most PR sense, doesn't make it right.
Because of so many people caving for PR reasons, every easily offended person on social media has come to expect apology if they don't like what someone said.
Being offended does not mean you deserve an apology. It's incredibly arrogant.
It's time to stand up to these people and stop giving what they want. Turn the tables on them. Don't give them power over you.

pandorum:
Who is JohnTron? Why does what he say matter?

He's an internet celeb, like pewdiepie. What he says matters because a lot of people know and follow him.
It matters to them and if you're easily swayed by public opinion then that's why this matters to you too.

Otherwise; internet being internet. Move along, nothing to see here.

(Edit: I dont even know if he's on youtube. He's on the internet, in any case)

Look, I spend more time than reasonable on Tumblr and I've never hear of this bs. Why do people seem to think tumblr is some unified community echo chamber? Its not. That's reddit. I only see posts of people who I follow, same with everyone else. Its not centralized. There is no community.

Following the tumblr link, it looks like no one really gives a shit and people on tumblr are mocking other people on tumblr who do theoretically give a shit.

Yes there are people out there who find the word "retarded" offensive and do not like to see it used in everyday language. Get over it. Move on.

TumblrinAction is well known for being a MRA haven. I'm assuming you're part of the subreddit since you specifically brought them up. You have to realize that the things in there are cherry picked, especially considering TiA's membership. Most people reblog memes and pictures of cats, get over yourselves.

TL/DR: Tumblr is not reddit, no one on Tumblr knows this is happening there and no one cares. Unlike TumblrinAction.

Jesus christ, its like no one on the internet actually bothered to learn how tumblr works.

The lesson from South Park's cartoon wars applies heavily here.

either people should be allowed to say anything or nothing. Silencing and social media ganging up help no one.

Dear god people are really dense, and yes RETARDED, seriously bitch and moan about a single word in a sentence this much? Grow up people and get your heads out of your arses. Jon doesn't like the PS4 big deal, so? LIVE WITH IT, SUCK IT UP

gargantual:
The lesson from South Park's cartoon wars applies heavily here.

either people should be allowed to say anything or nothing. Silencing and social media ganging up help no one.

I fully agree with this that people should be allowed to say anything, but I also think that people should be allowed to say what they want without judgement. Judgement from a large group of people all hyped up on trying to fit in juice just leads to disproportionate retribution. People shouldn't be judged for the opinions they hold, only for the actions that they take

My take: JonTron's a dick. This isn't exactly news, and this is a lot more of an issue than it needs to be. This doesn't in any way make him in the right, but I file him in the same category as that Tosh douchebag and similar sorts and just try to ignore them.

On a tangental point, the people claiming that words can't hurt are idiots. (vocal-tone assist for text: this is somewhat tongue-in-cheek)

cypher-raige:

NoX 9:
This JonTron person is being a twat. The initial insult doesn't bother me at all -the word 'retarded' doesn't seem out of place at all for what he was trying to convey-, but he follows it up with personal insults and comments laden with hypocrisy. Not very classy and in no way clever of him.

Just because an apology makes the most PR sense, doesn't make it right.
Because of so many people caving for PR reasons, every easily offended person on social media has come to expect apology if they don't like what someone said.
Being offended does not mean you deserve an apology. It's incredibly arrogant.
It's time to stand up to these people and stop giving what they want. Turn the tables on them. Don't give them power over you.

Like I said, I am not bothered by his inital comment, and I frankly don't care about the people that were offended by it. Still, he followed it up with personal insults and sponfulls of hypocrisy, and for that he is a bit of an ass... I never said he should have just apologized for his initial comment, I said his handling of the entire situation was unclassy and unprofessional. Please note that I have not seen or read anything by this guy before, so I don't know how he normally behaves.

Besides, his current response seems to have gotten him far more publicity than an apology would -maybe he subscribes to the idea that 'all publicity is good publicity'. Maybe he's just stressed out, being an internet celeb and all...

JarinArenos:
My take: JonTron's a dick. This isn't exactly news, and this is a lot more of an issue than it needs to be. This doesn't in any way make him in the right, but I file him in the same category as that Tosh douchebag and similar sorts and just try to ignore them.

On a tangental point, the people claiming that words can't hurt are idiots. (vocal-tone assist for text: this is somewhat tongue-in-cheek)

Couldn't have said it better myself! Seriously, I couldn't; that shit was spot on.

That's the problem with JonTron, he almost NEVER thinks before he opens his big fat mouth. Like, I love the guy, he's hilarious and all, but anyone who watches his stuff knows that, despite coming up with some pretty funny stuff on the fly, most of it is blatantly offensive... though that might just mostly be back when he was on Game Grumps.

Ironically, he also goes "Oh, maybe I shouldn't say that." Mostly because he doesn't want to deal with shitstorms like this.

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