Why is The Witcher allowed to portray heterosexual male sexuality while Kojima gets grilled over it?

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I thought it was important to put heterosexual male sexuality in the title as I cannot recall any instance of Geralt displaying interest in the same sex.

This kinda grinds my gears. I'm not exactly a Kojima Kultist but I respect the man, after all he DID make a great first step in popularizing the modern notion of postmodernism in games through MGS2 and I have spent many countless nights replaying his Metal Gear series, reading and watching interviews with the man himself and pondering the overlying themes of GENE, MEME, SCENE and SENSE.

I think it's safe to say that if you're going to create a list of Game Devs who have artistic merit, Kojima derves a slot in at least the top 10. The man can construct a meaningful and provoking narrative.

I know some people will want to say "But this is the series where you hide in a cardboard box and there's a man who poops himself, there isn't any meaningful subtext here. It can't tackle real issues." To which I can only say that these people are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. There's a reason most well-paced horror films has comedic relief "breather" moments in between the ever growing sense of dread. If you can't handle camp here and there, then I'm sorry but you really shouldn't be getting involved with media from Japan. [insert witticism about drills piercing heavens, batting a meteor out of the sky with a bass guitar, galaxy sized bullets and trains being suplexed here]

Might I add, that the anime with meteors being batted out of the sky with a guitar (FLCL, if you were wondering) has made grown-ass men cry. Big, hairy men with beards and tattoos and muscles. Camp =/= inability to be emotive and meaningful.

Now, enter The Witcher. Again, CDPR are developers I respect, developers I might even have to admit I have a great deal of bias toward. I love their policies on DLC, on DRM, on pricing, on piracy, everything. I think they're a dev team that at the end of the day, respects you not only as a consumer but also as a fan.

And sure, CDPR catch flak here and there for their portrayal of sexual relationships, I believe people bring up some points about a woman being almost raped then immediately jumping into bed with Geralt, but there's also people bringing up issues of Geralt's infidelity to Triss being neglected if the player so chooses to be unfaithful, a possible lack of maturity on part of CDPR, there's also two occasion in TW2 where sex is explicitly used as a quest reward, which may or may not have lead to some "b& in australia" censorship. Apparently it depends on where us Aussies get our copies. These scenes still work for me and my copy's retail.

But the thing is, the criticism CDPR catches for this is practically negligible and it's few and far between. Yet every time something happens surrounding The Phantom Pain and it's character: Quiet, Kojima is seemingly roasted on all fronts.

Yet I notice, that while the criticism of The Witcher's sexual explorations sound solid and reasonable, the criticism of Kojima seems to be going the complete other direction.

Here's an imgur a friend sent me from a Neogaf thread. Ignore the title.

http://imgur.com/k7CP1Cz

[Context: These people are all talking about Quiet's action figure having soft breasts.]

"... they used her [Quiet, a character that is in the game] as a marketing tool [for the game that she is a character in] which is unacceptable."

"Why does Japan get a pass for everything? They're like a cuter Saudi Arabia." [I won't even touch the racial undertones of that statement, but they're there.]

"I wonder how Joosten [who made the conscious decision to sell her likeness to Konami to create this game] feels after seeing her (kinda boss) upload a picture of [someone] squishing the breasts on a figure modeled after her."

I can't be the only one who finds this incredibly ridiculous, can I? I mean, this is unarguably less of an issue than The Witcher's portrayal of rape, yet I never saw people being this up-in-arms about that.

With the brouhaha that's happening in gaming right now, I'd very much appreciate a little consistency coming from the masses.

Because The Witcher came out years ago? The Islamic State isn't as bad as Genghis Kahns' Golden Horde but that doesn't mean any discussion should be halted until they entirely control Asia does it?

I wasn't aware that "heterosexual male sexuality" consisted of groping action figures with specially made squishy boobs.

Clearly I have been doing it wrong all these years.

It's probably because Kojima has been in the business longer and so we as an audience have been exposed to his shenanigans for longer. CDProject is still relatively new and thus has a few more strikes before we really start to call them out, though I feel that is already beginning. Also, I think CDPR currently has the more fanatical fanbase out of the two, who are more inclined to wave away criticism.

I guess CDPR has a bit more clout right now, particularly in the world of RPGs.

Without knowing next to anything about MGS or this supposed controversy, maybe it's because at least the female leads in the Witcher series tend to be wearing a shirt the majority of the time?

I mean bikini are great and all, but there's a time and place for that stuff and the battlefield isn't one of them, especially not when trying to be taken seriously.

People who don't know shit about Metal Gear judging it for being sexist or what have you pretty much sums it up. Not to mention the whole "MGS is so silly it can't be taken seriously" despite exploring some truly dark themes in the past anyway.

Zhukov:
I wasn't aware that "heterosexual male sexuality" consisted of groping action figures with specially made squishy boobs.

Clearly I have been doing it wrong all these years.

That action figure serious creeps me the fuck out. It's on the same level as those anime girl boob-mouse pads. Like, what the fuck? Seriously? Who the fuck buys these?

Get laid, please God!

Fappy:

Zhukov:
I wasn't aware that "heterosexual male sexuality" consisted of groping action figures with specially made squishy boobs.

Clearly I have been doing it wrong all these years.

That action figure serious creeps me the fuck out. It's on the same level as those anime girl boob-mouse pads. Like, what the fuck? Seriously? Who the fuck buys these?

Get laid, please God!

Getting off topic but while I've never bought a boob mouse pad, I have used ine and they're seriously comfy. Of course there are non boob alternatives (like butts, pecs and biceps) and options not modelled after body parts but who really cares if someone buys boob mouse pads.

Hell, the guy I know that has a bunch of boob mouse pads gets laid far more often than the average guy. Who are we go judge a person based on their choice of mouse pads or action figures for that matter.

This also brings up the topic of how common it is to shame men for expressing their sexuality these days. Guys buys a sex toy/body pillow/boob mousepad or fleshlight and he's treated like a shameful virgin that never gets laid. Meanwhile a woman owning any of said products would be considered normal.

I don't even own any of the products mentioned because I'm too afraid of ever being caught with them but I'll be damned if I'm going to shame some guy for such a stupid, trivial thing.

In conclusion: this is just a repeat of the Dead Island Bikini Bust from 4 years ago. It's the same oversensitive and judgemental narcissists getting s high from shaming people they disagree with. Either ignore them because they feed on your clicks and attention or call them out on their hypocrisy.

TITS ARE LIFE. ASS IS HOMETOWN.

I heartily second this sentiment:

Zhukov:
I wasn't aware that "heterosexual male sexuality" consisted of groping action figures with specially made squishy boobs.

Clearly I have been doing it wrong all these years.

I don't quite see the parallel (OP), so I don't see why you're comparing the stick each game/creator gets.

I personally don't see Kojima getting more criticism, so you seem to be overreacting, as well. All I see is a much bigger console IP with one of the most prominent auteurs in the medium getting more attention than a core European RPG dev - ergo it is proportional. I also think both parties deserve some of the criticism they get.

So, yeah. Non-issue is a non-issue? Quoting some random people banging on about Quiet's design is a bit pointless, too, given we really need to see Quiet's story play out to assess whether Kojima's talking a lot of old BS about her arc (I suspect his BS will just be BS, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now).

As for the 'action' figure of the character? It is fucking ridiculous, and it deserves mockery, but to me that's just Japan being Japanese. CDPR haven't, as far as I know, greenlight an oddly fetishistic figurine of Triss. So, again, the comparison doesn't really work. Critics are criticising different things.

LeathermanKick25:
Not to mention the whole "MGS is so silly it can't be taken seriously" despite exploring some truly dark themes in the past anyway.

Not to derail the thread, but; it may blow your mind to discover something can be "silly" whilst exploring "dark themes" (whatever they are... ). I'm not a fan of Kojima or MGS in general, but I played MGS and MGS2 multiple times back in the day, and they were certainly both utterly stupidly ridiculously absurd as well as being rather intelligent (neither had "dark themes", though, as far as I could tell).

Darth Rosenberg:
I heartily second this sentiment:

Zhukov:
I wasn't aware that "heterosexual male sexuality" consisted of groping action figures with specially made squishy boobs.

Clearly I have been doing it wrong all these years.

I don't quite see the parallel (OP), so I don't see why you're comparing the stick each game/creator gets.

I personally don't see Kojima getting more criticism, so you seem to be overreacting, as well. All I see is a much bigger console IP with one of the most prominent auteurs in the medium getting more attention than a core European RPG dev - ergo it is proportional. I also think both parties deserve some of the criticism they get.

So, yeah. Non-issue is a non-issue? Quoting some random people banging on about Quiet's design is a bit pointless, too, given we really need to see Quiet's story play out to assess whether Kojima's talking a lot of old BS about her arc (I suspect his BS will just be BS, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now).

As for the 'action' figure of the character? It is fucking ridiculous, and it deserves mockery, but to me that's just Japan being Japanese. CDPR haven't, as far as I know, greenlight an oddly fetishistic figurine of Triss. So, again, the comparison doesn't really work. Critics are criticising different things.

LeathermanKick25:
Not to mention the whole "MGS is so silly it can't be taken seriously" despite exploring some truly dark themes in the past anyway.

Not to derail the thread, but; it may blow your mind to discover something can be "silly" whilst exploring "dark themes" (whatever they are... ). I'm not a fan of Kojima or MGS in general, but I played MGS and MGS2 multiple times back in the day, and they were certainly both utterly stupidly ridiculously absurd as well as being rather intelligent (neither had "dark themes", though, as far as I could tell).

You do realise you just agreed with me right?

VanQ:

This also brings up the topic of how common it is to shame men for expressing their sexuality these days. Guys buys a sex toy/body pillow/boob mousepad or fleshlight and he's treated like a shameful virgin that never gets laid. Meanwhile a woman owning any of said products would be considered normal.

I don't know, I guess there's just an arbitrary switch in my mind that differentiates "sexual" and "pervy". Certain things fall into one category or the other. I mean, I'd think a woman owning a butt mousepad with a character from Free would be weird as fuck too, so at least from my perspective I don't really distinguish between genders.

For me, I get easily annoyed when characters are degraded outside of the context of their fictional universe. It's fine for a sexy character to strike a silly pose on some promotional thing or whatever, but I draw the line on things like body pillows and boob mousepads. I'd feel like I was disrespecting the character, I guess.

Just the way I personally feel about it. If I found out a close friend had a bunch of boob mousepads I'd probably joke about it, but it wouldn't change my opinion of them or our relationship. We're all allowed some measure of quirkiness.

CDPR are independent and make the games they want to make. People can criticize the sexual themes all they want (and they do), but it won't make CDPR change in any way. I can't say the same about Konami.

LeathermanKick25:
(You do realise you just agreed with me right?

(you can edit out parts of quotes, y'know) Heh, fair point - reading my response back, I'll concede my wording was actually terrible. Chalk that up to my brain not quite kicking into gear this morning.

The point I fumbled was more; surely 'it's silly' is a legitimate reason to not play the series (which you seemed to refute). MGS and 2 did have some great ideas in and dealt with what could be described as 'mature' themes, but ultimately it's a conspiracy laden soap-opera. I can understand those who perceive great depth. And I can also understand people dismissing the series because of how goofy and convoluted it is.

Darth Rosenberg:

LeathermanKick25:
(You do realise you just agreed with me right?

(you can edit out parts of quotes, y'know) Heh, fair point - reading my response back, I'll concede my wording was actually terrible. Chalk that up to my brain not quite kicking into gear this morning.

The point I fumbled was more; surely 'it's silly' is a legitimate reason to not play the series (which you seemed to refute). MGS and 2 did have some great ideas in and dealt with what could be described as 'mature' themes, but ultimately it's a conspiracy laden soap-opera. I can understand those who perceive great depth. And I can also understand people dismissing the series because of how goofy and convoluted it is.

I love the series. Some of it silly stuff is...well silly. But overall I think it strikes a nice balance. The problem I had was everyone saying MGS was too silly of a series to show rape and other stuff in Ground Zeroes, when the series has had stuff as bad, if not worse since the first one anyway.

Fappy:

I don't know, I guess there's just an arbitrary switch in my mind that differentiates "sexual" and "pervy". Certain things fall into one category or the other. I mean, I'd think a woman owning a butt mousepad with a character from Free would be weird as fuck too, so at least from my perspective I don't really distinguish between genders.

For me, I get easily annoyed when characters are degraded outside of the context of their fictional universe. It's fine for a sexy character to strike a silly pose on some promotional thing or whatever, but I draw the line on things like body pillows and boob mousepads. I'd feel like I was disrespecting the character, I guess.

Just the way I personally feel about it. If I found out a close friend had a bunch of boob mousepads I'd probably joke about it, but it wouldn't change my opinion of them or our relationship. We're all allowed some measure of quirkiness.

And that's actually totally fine. We all have a metaphorical "line" that's different from others. I think my line is probably not too different from yours, I have no desire to own a body pillow or boob mouse pad either. Where one crosses the line is when you say something like "get laid" like you did. Because that's when you impose your standards onto another in a way that shames them.

I get that you didn't actually mean that and I doubt you'd ever do that to someone face to face because I know you're a reasonable guy. Still, seeing that line was actually what brought on my earlier rant.

Everyone has different needs and wants and expresses themselves differently. Forcing yours on others is when there's a problem. This doll is hurting nobody and the few people that do buy it will probably admire it in private and you'll never actually know or care.

Fappy:
Get laid, please God!

God doesn't need you to tell Him when to get laid, sir!

Doom972:
CDPR are independent and make the games they want to make. People can criticize the sexual themes all they want (and they do), but it won't make CDPR change in any way. I can't say the same about Konami.

Konami isn't Kojima though, certainly not anymore. Kojima tends to make whatever he wants, too. Which is why a lot of people say he needs an editor to reign him in.

At least in the Witcher they tend to be relatively clothed when not fucking Geralt. Quiet looks like a trashy whore all the time and the Witcher has gotten shit.

It's not what you portray it's how you do it. Kojima is being all weird and Japanese pervy about it.

Kojima is a person and symbol, he is a straight white white white Japanese cis male. He is rich and famous and actively mocks SJWs, he is well known, rich, white and successful.

The Witcher is made by poor faceless Polish developers who aren't well known.

LeathermanKick25:
The problem I had was everyone saying MGS was too silly of a series to show rape and other stuff in Ground Zeroes, when the series has had stuff as bad, if not worse since the first one anyway.

I can only speak of MGS 1 and 2, and in those games, no, neither had anything as sensitive as rape. There's also a time and place for such subject matter, and I don't think a goofball conspiracy soap-opera is it. MGS1's [variously hamfisted] existentialism worked fine (apropos 'mature' themes), but sexual assault's a jarring tonal change. I've heard the Ground Zeroes content, and to me it's horribly misjudged verging on exploitative.

In relation to the thread; I have issues with both companies, but I don't think anything CDPR have done is as crass as hearing rape audio in a poorly written [and acted] interrogation scene. If that's there to somehow underline what a badguy The Badguy is? Then, well, Kojima is now nothing but a hack.

I find it because CD Projekt Red is generally more mature than Kojima, judging from what I've seen. Kojima tends to be way more silly and less serious than CDPR.

wizzy555:
Kojima is a person and symbol, he is a straight white white white Japanese cis male. He is rich and famous and actively mocks SJWs, he is well known, rich, white and successful.

The Witcher is made by poor faceless Polish developers who aren't well known.

That is a very relevant observation. Also relevant is that this is a moment of relative weakness for Kojima, since Konami gave him the boot. "He's on his own! Quick, let's pounce!" Then there is the whole strategic and symbolic significance for gaming that Japan has, and Poland at the moment doesn't.

Plus "Kojima" is easy enough to spell for even the lazier outrage mongers. With the Polish folks, you have to make an effort.

GrumbleGrump:
I find it because CD Projekt Red is generally more mature than Kojima, judging from what I've seen. Kojima tends to be way more silly and less serious than CDPR.

Eh. I love both series, but they both have issues.

Kojima deals with subjects like PTSD, Child Soldiers, Privacy Abolition and Censorship as used by a totalitarian power, the cost of Dutifully serving your cause, Soldiers not being able to stop being soldiers and so on and so fort. Before Spec-ops The Line, the MGS series was the only anti war game series of note in the industry.

Kojima, however, needs an editor who can tone down his ramblings. Several of the games narratives could have been toned down significantly if it wasn't for his fondness of verbose and knowledgeable characters who take any chance to expound on their particular knowledgebase. Show don't tell Kojima.

Then there is the combination of comedy and drama. It's a very common pacing tool in Japanese media that can work wonderfully but kojima is rather hamfisted with. He has the general idea right, to intersperse comedic exchanges or events among the the serious drama.

The Witcher series also tackles serious stuff, but they tend to be for flavor and aren't explored in any meaningful way. The world of The Witcher is racist, but there is no exploration of that theme. The humans hate non-humans and vice versa. Done, fill in the rest withc cliched examples of racism. It occassionally touches on rape, but it's never impactful, it just happens. The world is a political minefield, but ultimately it doesn't affect geralt, as geralt is in it for himself and his friends... any outcome works as long as it works in his favor.

Saying that, because no topic is focused on to the point clearly defining right or wrong, and how every choice has both a negative and positive outcome, the world of the witcher becomes extremely grey. Geralt is more an Anti hero then a hero. If he does the "right" thing, it's usually incidental to his own ambitions.

I think their attempts at humor are more endearing, those little character moments that make you smile, ranging from witty comments, comedic pauses (there aren't enough of these in games) or just plain goofiness.

The Witcher handles sex like an adolescent would, gleefully but without substance. The first game had that awful card collecting shit, best forgotten. The sequel put more effort into it, but barring a few particular scenes, most of them were just gratuitous sex fantasies for Geralt to get involved in.

Which is fine, really. The Geralt in the books is fairly promiscuous and sex doesn't always have to be meaningful. However, much like kojimas use of comedy, the majority of sex scenes undermine the more serious overtones far more harshly then the comedy ones do.

Also, the witcher can be VERY silly:

And then theirs the time Geralt wakes up partially naked on the riverside where someone tells you that you tried to sail to paradise on whores arses.

Maybe it's because Kojima explicitly stated that Quiet would an antithesis of female characters...

and then goes and makes a figurine with squishable boobs. Even if he's right about the character in the actual game, that figurine detracts from any point he might be trying to make. I mean, I love Kojima, eccentricities and all, but there's definitely some dissonance there.

And let's not pretend that CD Projekt Red have never been criticised on this issue either. In fact, one of the main criticisms of one of the Witcher games (the original, I think) was the way it treated sleeping with women as a card collecting minigame.

Well, I imagine Metal Gear is both more successful and more famous then The Witcher, so that's probably why it receives more criticism. Also, CD Project has built up a lot of good will through consumer friendly practices.

Personally, I'm pretty critical of both. They have their merits, and they should be acknowledged, but their representation of sexual violence, and sexuality in general, is woefully poor. Honestly, for all their merits, I find both rather creepy.

CDPR don't take the bait as much. They make a couple comments each time, and ignore all the other bullshit. Kojima likes to actively antagonise people complaining about this stuff.

Fappy:

Zhukov:
I wasn't aware that "heterosexual male sexuality" consisted of groping action figures with specially made squishy boobs.

Clearly I have been doing it wrong all these years.

That action figure serious creeps me the fuck out. It's on the same level as those anime girl boob-mouse pads. Like, what the fuck? Seriously? Who the fuck buys these?

Get laid, please God!

To be fair, the design of those mouse pads is incredibly comfortable. Though does it need to have a game/anime character printed on it so that the wrist-rest looks like boobs? Probably not.

You know what question comes to my mind whenever I see a thread like this?

"Why do you care?"

Now, I don't think I mean that quite as condescendingly as it sounds, but honestly, the only impression it ever gives me is "I'm outraged that people are outraged!"

If you can't see how an action figure with squishy boobs is different than a narrative (poorly) tackling issues of sexual violence or stuffing in sexuality for the sake of appearing like a more "normal" world, then I don't think random strangers on the internet are going to be able to explain it. And if you do understand the difference, then this entire thread is just being built on the dishonest premise of trying to get some sort of "gotcha!" on people you don't like (which, to be honest, is what I'm getting from that "consistency from the masses" line anyway; let's just disregard that the audiences for Metal Gear Solid and The Witcher are probably massively different, and that the people into both who are criticizing MGS are probably the same people who were criticizing The Witcher for its portrayal of sex and everything).

Ragsnstitches:

GrumbleGrump:
I find it because CD Projekt Red is generally more mature than Kojima, judging from what I've seen. Kojima tends to be way more silly and less serious than CDPR.

Eh. I love both series, but they both have issues.

And then theirs the time Geralt wakes up partially naked on the riverside where someone tells you that you tried to sail to paradise on whores arses.

Good observation on Japanese comedy/drama combo.

Though id say that you missed the depth and messages of the Witcher :P . The commentary, the exploration...

Then again seems like for some reason mostly people from Eastern Europe seem to get that stuff (both in the books and the games) :(

BarryMcCociner:

I think it's safe to say that if you're going to create a list of Game Devs who have artistic merit, Kojima derves a slot in at least the top 10. The man can construct a meaningful and provoking narrative.

Alright, let's be real here. Kojima's stories are entertaining, but they're not high art. The man can't actually write plots beyond throwing together the standard war is bad cliches and tying them up with sci-fi nonsense. Again they're entertaining, but not exactly a "meaningful and provoking narrative."

Anyways, people did get mad at the Witcher over it's stuff. But it was a lot less brazen, and the devs were smart enough to recluse themselves from the conversation instead of trying to defend it (very, very poorly I might add) like Kojima did. Also, I mean, boobie toys. Nothing in the Witcher really goes beyond the status of "badly executed", but those figures were pretty much just a stupid idea overall.

Fun fact: The Big Boss model has a squishy butt and pecs made with the same material as Quiet's boobs.

Its all about exposure. MGS is a beloved and well known franchise, so people will attack it because it will bring THEM more attention.

In comparison, no one gives a shit about the Witcher series. Though there was a big palavar about the "sex cards" in the first game.

Same reason a Batgirl cover gets viral outrage for "rape culture" while Family Guy keeps Quagmire around without shame: outrage is trendy, and it's just a mater of what catches on and what gets noticed.

shrekfan246:
You know what question comes to my mind whenever I see a thread like this?

"Why do you care?"

This pretty much sums up my feeling on the matter.

If you want to buy the boobie figure, buy the boobie figure.

No amount of prepubescent bitching from the Guardian (It's sad that I have to actually say that about a Pulitzer prize winning site, though that was for something...you know, important) or whatever trashy tabloid is going to make that manufacturer, especially if they're Japanese or making Japanese products, stop making it if it's financially viable for them to do so.

So buy the boobie figure. Squeeze 'em to your heart's content and ignore the whining puritanical fucks who've been given an undeserved podium from which they can broadcast their pathetic first-world whingefests.

Buy that shit and let them know there's a market? There will be enough boobie figures to fill even the greediest dragon's hoard...as we're seeing, since that figure is apparently selling quite well, as it's out of stock in the few places I've bothered to look.

Charcharo:

Ragsnstitches:

GrumbleGrump:
I find it because CD Projekt Red is generally more mature than Kojima, judging from what I've seen. Kojima tends to be way more silly and less serious than CDPR.

Eh. I love both series, but they both have issues.

And then theirs the time Geralt wakes up partially naked on the riverside where someone tells you that you tried to sail to paradise on whores arses.

Good observation on Japanese comedy/drama combo.

Though id say that you missed the depth and messages of the Witcher :P . The commentary, the exploration...

Then again seems like for some reason mostly people from Eastern Europe seem to get that stuff (both in the books and the games) :(

I sort of oversimplified my stance on The Witcher. It's not a shallow game, if that's what you think I'm saying. I didn't want to go into depth about it as, being two 30-50 hour games there is a lot to talk about (whereas MGS is more focused and trimmed... despite Kojimas frantic and verbose writing and direction).

I've Read 2 Witcher books. The short story compilation "The Last Wish" and Blood of Elves a few years ago, which were the only translated paperback books available in my local book store. The Last Wish suffered from shoddy translations, but Blood of Elves was a good read. Currently these 2, Time of Contempt and Baptism of Fire are translated. The Swallows Tower and The Lady of the Lake haven't been translated yet but are due in 2016 and 2017 respectively. The Sword of Destiny's English translation is due out this year (if it isn't out already).

There very well may be some cultural difference that eludes western European readers, some significant historical influence or contemporary social mindset that offers insight into The Witcher saga. Possibly something lost in translation.

I'm curious though as to what messages I might have missed. I'm aware that characters, events and various references to the books in the game are lost on me due to not having access to more then half of The Witcher saga. I read the ingame codex as much as I can but there is only so much I can get from them.

Fox12:
Well, I imagine Metal Gear is both more successful and more famous then The Witcher, so that's probably why it receives more criticism. Also, CD Project has built up a lot of good will through consumer friendly practices.

Personally, I'm pretty critical of both. They have their merits, and they should be acknowledged, but their representation of sexual violence, and sexuality in general, is woefully poor. Honestly, for all their merits, I find both rather creepy.

This. I think they should both take flak for their portrayals, and I think that that's fair - one or the other should not be given special treatment over it.

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