are you going to buy mass effect andromeda?

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Ehh, gonna give it a week or two after release, that'll give me a good look at the full reviews and all that. Always enjoyed the ME series and what I've seen (outside the hilarious animation glitches) has been good, but I'm leery enough about pre-orders and day-one editions that I'd rather wait and see what everyone thinks of it after the hype has died down rather than buy it on faith.

That said, even if it's met with luke-warm reactions I'll probably still get it for the Multiplayer, I finally have 3 friends interested in the series to play it with so I won't have to rely on randoms who try sniping with a fucking SMG or who try to melee Brutes to death because they think Nova-Charge Vanguards are unstoppable. Christ, I hate pick-up groups.

I'm probably never going to purchase another EA product for the rest of my life, so nah.

Hope people enjoy it. No longer my cup of tea.

As it stands now...I'm still torn. I certainly won't be buying it on day 1, but I'm still going to keep an eye on the reviews. If the reviews and popular opinion don't drive me away, and maybe if Bioware decides to give the face and conversation animations another once-over, I may get it a little further down the road.

But from where I'm standing, it looks like the Bioware of old is dead, and isn't coming back.

No, I will not, at least not anytime soon.

Having read a number of articles from various sources, both positive and negative, I feel I've gotten a reasonably decent picture of what the game is like and what I could get out of it.

It boils down to it being a solid space opera shooter, with writing that varies between mediocre and laughably bad. It's got tonnes of content, but also a truckload of bugs. It's not a terrible game, but it's hardly a standout for the series, the genre or the recent months. While I'm sure I'd have fun shooting at generic rubber forehead aliens with my space magic and whatnot, there is just too much good stuff to play that Andromeda will get pushed aside, maybe to be picked up on sale with all its DLC or something...

Absolutely. I may take against it (especially if it repeats the BS filler nonsense and 'exploration' DA:I pulled), but what other character focused triple-A production SP A/RPG sci-fi epic is there to buy instead? There are none. BioWare are still doing things no one else does--- *pause for variously moronic 'witticisms'/snark* ---and so as long as that's the case they'll have my cash.

If a company offered them direct competition, then great. But, again, there isn't any. You can't blame BioWare for that, you blame the rest of the oftentimes dumbass industry.

Jandau:
It's not a terrible game, but it's hardly a standout for the series, the genre or the recent months.

What is the series "standout", though? Some say ME1 for the plot or, apparently, the awful and cluttered RPG 'depth'. Others say ME2, but that's a game that could've only existed after the universe was set up, so comparing ME:A to what amounts to a kind of soft reboot/offshoot isn't very fair.

Personally whilst ME2 is my sentimental ME fave, I think ME3 wipes the floor with 1 and 2 in terms of overall cohesion, quality, polish, gameplay, etc. On those counts I feel it's the best game BioWare have ever made, but, again, it's impossible to directly compare that - which was a game that built a rich continuity over a trilogy - to ME:A, which represents a clean slate. It is, however, fair to compare the core combat (which I don't think's ever been great in ME. ME3 was the most polished and responsive, ergo it 'wins' by default), and I've heard both very good as well as some negative things about it.

And regarding genre; what genre? Triple-A SP A/RPG sci-fi with a focus on character narrative? Did I miss a shedload of other games in that genre?

So i went and watched about 90 minutes of the game and yeah, the faces arent as weird as the nitpicked gifs/videos show (obviously), but still, 10 years later and it's on the same level?

Anyway, now i have a different problem though. The characters look short, like kids with adult heads. And i didn't see an option to punch npcs during conversations. Sad.

For those that have played it: Do you fly all the way to another galaxy where the aliens magically speak English, or do we get something a little more intelligent?

Eventually.

I have to say what I have seen makes me question it, specially when released in one of the busies march I can remember (Persona 5, Nier, Zelda, Horizon), that makes a mediocre game seem redundant, even when carrying the Mass Effect name.

But I would not deny it once it gets into a more open season, or a more interesting price.

First reviews are dropping and so far it's still pretty mixed. Generally postive but one thing that bothers me is that most of them say that a lot of the content seems like filler. Hell, a couple are saying that the main missions are kinda boring. Both of those are making me feel like this isn't something I'm really gonna care for. Maybe once it drops down to like 20 or 30 bucks, I might give it a shot but the "Lots O'Filler" thing is exactly why I don't like to play open world games much these days.

Horizon Zero Dawn? Total bore.

Nier Automata? Puhlease.

Zelda BOTW? As if.

A broken, buggy, ugly sequel to a franchise that should have ended? SIGN ME UP!!!!

Dalisclock:
First reviews are dropping and so far it's still pretty mixed. Generally postive but one thing that bothers me is that most of them say that a lot of the content seems like filler. Hell, a couple are saying that the main missions are kinda boring. Both of those are making me feel like this isn't something I'm really gonna care for. Maybe once it drops down to like 20 or 30 bucks, I might give it a shot the "Lots O'Filler" thing is exactly why I don't like to play open world games much these days.

I loved Dragon Age Origins with a passion, detested DA:2 but played a significant amount of hours in the hope it'd get better, and was utterly repulsed by Inquisition so much that I probably played 4-5 hours max.

If I do buy it I'm not planning on buying it until a year or two down the line when it's in the bargain bucket, but even then that will hang on to how similar it is to DA:I. If I hear it's structured & setup the same I won't bother at all.

I get all AAA sci-fi games on release. Jank notwithstanding.

Darth Rosenberg:
And regarding genre; what genre? Triple-A SP A/RPG sci-fi with a focus on character narrative? Did I miss a shedload of other games in that genre?

Genre as in either RPG (and it's a pretty bad RPG, by most accounts) or Third Person Shooter (in which case it's solid, but unspectacular).

If you think the game is exactly what you want, go for it, have fun. I'm guessing that you and I have somewhat different tastes, seeing as how you rate ME3 as the best in the series. But again, I hope the game is all you want it to be. I'll be sitting this one out for now.

On launch. No, I am still playing Horizon and there are other games that I want to play before this. I have read some reviews which give it mediocre marks, plus all the videos out there saying its full of bugs. I'll give it 6 months to a year to pick it up by which time it should be pretty cheap, all patched up and it'll give me something I'll probably enjoy to play.

EA can take the financial hit I'm sure.

From what i've seen, it's just depressing. I kid you not, the laughs were there when I first saw the animations / GIFs people have been making ... but than it sank in. Like, that feeling you get when realization kicks in and your heart drops.

This is a Mass Effect game. One of the if not THE richest roleplaying / memorable games despite ME3's ending. The trilogy was legendary and made an impact on so many of us, but now we're getting this game ........... a meme generator in a nutshell. Oh boy do I need to lie down and get some drinks after.

Jandau:
Genre as in either RPG (and it's a pretty bad RPG, by most accounts) or Third Person Shooter (in which case it's solid, but unspectacular).

But would you agree there isn't actually any direct competition in terms of what ME's offer? It's always been a worse RPG and 3rdP shooter than games dedicated to either.

But again, I hope the game is all you want it to be. I'll be sitting this one out for now.

Cora's apparently straightsville and the Nomad's still probably too much like the Mako, so I doubt it'll be all I want... See also: probably a second rubbish BioWare antagonist in a row.

Eventually I am. No point at the minute because I have neither a PC good enough to play it nor a console to play it on. But I am definitely going to get it at some point. I really fell in love with the Mass Effect games when I finally got the chance to play them so I'm not going to pass up a chance to play some more.

I'm loving the demo so far (I pick up the game tomorrow); to me it combines the best parts of ME 1 with the improvements of ME 2/3 - the exploration alone is getting me excited to get the full game! [And the fact that we don't have to deal with fuel, and that the new species - in the demo - don't have a translator to speak with].

Probably not for a long time if ever. The first three games got progressively worse and really burnt me out on the franchise. Plus this one looks... not good. I have really limited time for games nowadays and those animations, voice acting, and general woodenness don't encourage me to sink dozens of hour into it. I'll spend the money on Nier instead.

Darth Rosenberg:
And regarding genre; what genre? Triple-A SP A/RPG sci-fi with a focus on character narrative? Did I miss a shedload of other games in that genre?

I agree with this. There's very few actual RPGs being made as very few actually focus on ROLE-PLAYING. The "RPG elements" aren't what make an RPG but what enhance the core role-playing, which pretty much every video game RPG forgets about (even the likes of Witcher 3). Leveling, inventory, acquiring new skills/abilities, new weapons/gear, etc aren't what makes an RPG. Does DnD cease being an RPG if you start at max level with any and all equipment you want? Hell no because you are still role-playing the character. You can take out the triple-A and sci-fi aspect of the "genre" and there still are hardly any games that fit in.

With that said, this is want makes me the most worried about Andromeda...

Dalisclock:
Generally postive but one thing that bothers me is that most of them say that a lot of the content seems like filler. Hell, a couple are saying that the main missions are kinda boring. Both of those are making me feel like this isn't something I'm really gonna care for.

That is exactly what I was worried about. I want quality over quantity in any game I play and especially RPGs, which are really the worst with padding and filler IMO. I want a solid and lean Mass Effect game like the previous games that can be completed in 30 hours. I don't want sidequests that aren't on the level of loyalty missions.

Coming back around to Darth Rosenberg's post. Yeah, Andromeda is one of the very few games of its kind we get but I'm not going to put up with shit either just because it's the only option either.

The concept interests me, but I'm going to wait for the dust to settle and for people to stop freaking the fuck out over everything, and probably wait until it goes on sale. Unless I hear it really sucks from people that I personally trust.

Even then, I might just decide that there's too much bitterness surrounding Mass Effect now for me to get back into it. I don't need that shit in my life right now.

Darth Rosenberg:

Jandau:
Genre as in either RPG (and it's a pretty bad RPG, by most accounts) or Third Person Shooter (in which case it's solid, but unspectacular).

But would you agree there isn't actually any direct competition in terms of what ME's offer? It's always been a worse RPG and 3rdP shooter than games dedicated to either.

But again, I hope the game is all you want it to be. I'll be sitting this one out for now.

Cora's apparently straightsville and the Nomad's still probably too much like the Mako, so I doubt it'll be all I want... See also: probably a second rubbish BioWare antagonist in a row.

The specific sub-niche that ME:A fills is indeed a bit empty, so if that specific combination of themes and genres is an itch that you just have to scratch, Andromeda would be your best bet, I'll grant that. As for it being worse than dedicated games, I'm going to have to disagree. ME1 was a solid RPG with good writing and amazing worldbuilding, with dodgy shooting. ME2's overall story was a step back, but the individual character storylines were awesome, while the shooting was IMO the best of the series. ME3 was a hot mess, at least to me.

Also, why is Cora being straight a problem? I mean, I heard something about people being pissed about that, but I couldn't see what the issue was...

Phoenixmgs:
That is exactly what I was worried about. I want quality over quantity in any game I play and especially RPGs, which are really the worst with padding and filler IMO. I want a solid and lean Mass Effect game like the previous games that can be completed in 30 hours. I don't want sidequests that aren't on the level of loyalty missions.

Coming back around to Darth Rosenberg's post. Yeah, Andromeda is one of the very few games of its kind we get but I'm not going to put up with shit either just because it's the only option either.

I mentioned a dislike of filler at the top of my post, so yeah, I agree with that concern. ME2 and 3 were, I feel, paced and structured wonderfully.

But given how distinct BioWare's offerings are, I do have a high tolerance for negatives (nothing is perfect, after all). Hell, I put a few hundred hours onto DA:I, after all[1]...

Jandau:
As for it being worse than dedicated games, I'm going to have to disagree. ME1 was a solid RPG with good writing and amazing worldbuilding, with dodgy shooting. ME2's overall story was a step back, but the individual character storylines were awesome, while the shooting was IMO the best of the series. ME3 was a hot mess, at least to me.

Definitely agree to disagree on that assessment (to you 2's story was a step back - for me that was perfect because it allowed the world and characters to shine, away from fairly bland 'invasion' narratives).

Also, why is Cora being straight a problem? I mean, I heard something about people being pissed about that, but I couldn't see what the issue was...

It denies the player choice, and I don't see a single character in BioWare's SP line-up (from KotOR on) whose story necessitates a fixed orientation of any kind.

RPG's are there to embolden player choice, right? And given BioWare's fairly narrow role-playing parameters, that means every single possible building block of a projected role becomes very important. Romance arcs in such games can be an important part of an RP. Fix characters orientations, and you simply close down choices at the gain of nothing, in my view. Allow players to make their RPG playthroughs as straight/gay/bi/whatever as they wish.

Cora evidently joins the list of Ashley Williams, Jack, Miranda, and DA:I's Cassandra as what I feel are great female party members 'off limits' for a female lead, and frankly I'm getting a little tired of it (particularly as FemShep's choices for men were, frankly, almost exclusively boring as fuck). Would any of those character arcs change meaningfully if they were available for both male and female Shep's? If not, then what has that design decision added to the RPG experience?

[1] Though, mini disclaimer: I started out on the utterly risible, broken, half-finished wreck that was the last gen version, which I practically detested. Took current gen, the Golden Nug, Trespasser, and an appreciation of just how much you can ignore of DA:I's filler for me to actually really enjoy it - puddle shallow combat aside.

Game is sitting at a respectable but far from spectacular 75 on OpenCritic, with the general consensus being that the game has a mediocre story and companions but fun combat and entertaining exploration elements. Environments are supposed to be gorgeous, in spite of some pop-in and framerate issues, but character models are generally panned as being a weakness for the game.

So if you're looking for a semi open-world action game with the occasional bit of corny dialogue, you're golden. Otherwise if you're looking for an more story-driven experience you might want to give it a pass.

Also worth noting that in spite of the 75% rating, only 42% of critics outright recommend the game with quite a few of even the more positive review comparing it unfavourably to other recently released titles like Horizon and Nier.

In the theoretical scenario that I would violate my life long EA embargo AND somehow get enough brain damage to forget the ending?

No, its story looks crap, the character dialogues from the clips I have seen are the definition of cringe and a bog standard third person shooter is not enough of a draw for me to get over the sub par story and the characters.

And then there is the fact of how ugly the characters look, especially the main characters.

When Hell freezes over. I'd rather save my money for something worthwhile.

It's happened before; game series gets "finished" gets a "reboot" from a completely different studio. Game, at best, is mediocre.

Nihil sub nove solum.

I expect 3 things from a bioware game:

1. a good iteration of an already-existing combat system
2. narm
3. a shitstorm of controversy on launch

So. Yah.

Bought it. Have it. The fiancee is making her character right now

Darth Rosenberg:

Also, why is Cora being straight a problem? I mean, I heard something about people being pissed about that, but I couldn't see what the issue was...

It denies the player choice, and I don't see a single character in BioWare's SP line-up (from KotOR on) whose story necessitates a fixed orientation of any kind.

RPG's are there to embolden player choice, right? And given BioWare's fairly narrow role-playing parameters, that means every single possible building block of a projected role becomes very important. Romance arcs in such games can be an important part of an RP. Fix characters orientations, and you simply close down choices at the gain of nothing, in my view. Allow players to make their RPG playthroughs as straight/gay/bi/whatever as they wish.

This video immediately jumped to my mind.

I am pretty sure Bioware is going to allow you to be gay or bi just not with Cora. and that is simply world-building which is important because allowing the player to mold the world however they see fit also destroys the concept of "meaningful choices".

As for the topic, no. My backlog is too full and the PR around this game is too risky. My question is can Bioware afford to shoot themselves in the foot AGAIN and still keep getting away with it?

Yes.

I'll give it a while. Let the inevitable patches come out, at least some of the dlc. Wait for the hype (of every kind) to wear off and see if people like it after they get some perspective on it. Then I'll be able to gauge my expectations and buy it at a price I think it's worth.

I preordered the collector's edition of ME3, and before you ask, no I was not disappointed, but I don't see Andromeda being anything better than a step back from the trilogy. I don't have a choice in the end, I need to play it, but right now I'm not in a great hurry.

I really don't get the hate for this game. The was plenty of goofy stuff in the first three games and they never got near as much flack for it.

But then I can't remember the last time I was disappointed by something I was particularly hyped for so maybe I'm just less critical and more willing to accept a game's flaws than some people. Y'all are welcome to your opinions but the only game that's ever actually made me feel angry is Crackdown 3 because Crackdown 2 was hot garbage yet it's sequel is safe while the ONE xbox exclusive I was excited for, Scalebound, got cancelled.

Bob_McMillan:
I don't know. I enjoy third person cover shooting. ME:A's comnbat looks fun, but the soft cover system always pisses me off. The open-ness and the focus on what looks like really clunky jump packs don't appeal to me either. And I'm not confident in the ability of whoever is developing this to make exploration fun. And the voice acting in general is really annoying. I know the characters are somewhat younger here, but man... It's like every characters is Jacob.

As for the animations, well, ME has never been amazing with them. If voice acting is all Jacob, then animations are all Miranda. when this game has such nice graphics the shitty animations really stand out. And they do seem worse than usual.

So yeah, gonna wait for a sale. Like almost every game coming out recently. Of the most recent games, only Zelda and Horizon Zero Dawn seemed to meet people's expectations. Injustice 2 is up next and I am no longer excited for it.

" It's like every characters is Jacob." oh god I hope not I can't stand that guy. It pains me to have to talk to him. I would have let him die a million times if I wasn't a perfectionist and have to have everyone survive.

Darth Rosenberg:
Absolutely. I may take against it (especially if it repeats the BS filler nonsense and 'exploration' DA:I pulled), but what other character focused triple-A production SP A/RPG sci-fi epic is there to buy instead? There are none. BioWare are still doing things no one else does--- *pause for variously moronic 'witticisms'/snark* ---and so as long as that's the case they'll have my cash.

If a company offered them direct competition, then great. But, again, there isn't any. You can't blame BioWare for that, you blame the rest of the oftentimes dumbass industry.

Jandau:
It's not a terrible game, but it's hardly a standout for the series, the genre or the recent months.

What is the series "standout", though? Some say ME1 for the plot or, apparently, the awful and cluttered RPG 'depth'. Others say ME2, but that's a game that could've only existed after the universe was set up, so comparing ME:A to what amounts to a kind of soft reboot/offshoot isn't very fair.

Personally whilst ME2 is my sentimental ME fave, I think ME3 wipes the floor with 1 and 2 in terms of overall cohesion, quality, polish, gameplay, etc. On those counts I feel it's the best game BioWare have ever made, but, again, it's impossible to directly compare that - which was a game that built a rich continuity over a trilogy - to ME:A, which represents a clean slate. It is, however, fair to compare the core combat (which I don't think's ever been great in ME. ME3 was the most polished and responsive, ergo it 'wins' by default), and I've heard both very good as well as some negative things about it.

And regarding genre; what genre? Triple-A SP A/RPG sci-fi with a focus on character narrative? Did I miss a shedload of other games in that genre?

agreed 100%

Hell no. After everything I invested in the first 3 games to get burnt by the ending so badly, they can fuck off. And it's an EA game anyway, so whatever. Now it's a meme-generator, ok so what I usually wait for reviews to come out afterwards. Skyrim and Witcher 3 had hilarious bugs too, but didn't affect my decision to purchase.

What annoyed me about ME3 (besides the ending) was it seemed to oversimplify and dumb down everything. Inventory, controls (one-button-to-rule-them-all syndrome), and stupid extra arbitrary tasks (a mobile phone game???) the game just couldn't recover itself after that, for me anyway. From what I've seen of Andromeda, the trend of dumbing down continues, and with all the added bullshit of boring and cliched writing, nah thanks, I'll give it a pass. Much better stuff on the horizon or in the backlog to even consider ME:A.

darkcalling:
I really don't get the hate for this game. The was plenty of goofy stuff in the first three games and they never got near as much flack for it.

Well, at least now people are complaining about more tangible issues then "Derp Faces"(with optional SJW conspiracy because reasons). I'm very likely not gonna get it(just like I didn't get DA:I) but because it sounds like there are enough issues with the game to not make it worth my time(that and I have a huge backlog anyway), not because animation issues or which characters are gay/straight/bi datable.

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