Griefers are Sadists

By dictionary definition

Sadist
a person who derives pleasure from the pain on others.

Griefer
a person who annoys or harasses other players for their enjoyment.

So griefers get enjoyment (pleasure) from the annoyance (pain) of others.

......

You are comparing pain to harassment. Is being annoyed by someone in your game or whatever something you would call "pain?"

Borty The Bort:
You are comparing pain to harassment. Is being annoyed by someone in your game or whatever something you would call "pain?"

Mental trauma can be comparable to physical trauma. I remember reading something that basically concluded they are more or less the same in terms of impact.

Ehh, kinda?

*goes back to placing Symmetra teleporter so it leads people straight off a cliff*

Glongpre:

Borty The Bort:
You are comparing pain to harassment. Is being annoyed by someone in your game or whatever something you would call "pain?"

Mental trauma can be comparable to physical trauma. I remember reading something that basically concluded they are more or less the same in terms of impact.

See I would have preferred to have my school bullies yell at me and call me a faggot rather than beat the living hell out of me. Anyone who thinks getting griefed in Overwatch or Minecraft is comparable to getting the shit kicked out of you either plays way too much games or had an abnormally lucky childhood.

Note: Not accusing you at all Glongpre. Just stating in general

Silentpony:

Glongpre:

Borty The Bort:
You are comparing pain to harassment. Is being annoyed by someone in your game or whatever something you would call "pain?"

Mental trauma can be comparable to physical trauma. I remember reading something that basically concluded they are more or less the same in terms of impact.

See I would have preferred to have my school bullies yell at me and call me a faggot rather than beat the living hell out of me. Anyone who thinks getting griefed in Overwatch or Minecraft is comparable to getting the shit kicked out of you either plays way too much games or had an abnormally lucky childhood.

Note: Not accusing you at all Glongpre. Just stating in general

Well I'd say it's a matter of scale. I'd say getting greifed in a game is more along the lines of that one dickhead friend you have that will keep flicking your ear because he's bored.

Just don't play online...

Zhukov:
Ehh, kinda?

*goes back to placing Symmetra teleporter so it leads people straight off a cliff*

Pfft, weaksauce. Mei is the undisputed Queen of Grief.

Or just do what I do and play Ana, and deliberately keep nano-boosting our Mercy/Lucio/Widow/etc.

Decent trolls shouldn't grief.

Can't we just agree that someone getting pleasure out of the unwilling suffering of others is not a very nice person?

RaikuFA:
Just don't play online...

That's victim blaming bro.

If you want to be ACTUALLY accurate, Greifers are Sadists with no regard for consent. IE, the bad kind, the kind that causes you harm for fun even when you don't agree to be part of their bullshit.

(I make this distinction because I have a friend who actually DOES get off on causing pain, and in addition to being in an adorable committed relationship with BDSM funsies on the table, she's also the most consent-minded person I know. I know her from a LARP I was at, and at one point she was like "Yo, out-of-character for a second, can I give you a sympathy pat on the back? Yeah yeah, I know that's a given, sure, but a person's personal space is theirs alone, you just don't get into someone's space without their express permission")

Zhukov:
Ehh, kinda?

*goes back to placing Symmetra teleporter so it leads people straight off a cliff*

You talk about causing people suffering and yet you don't bring up Mei.

For shaaaaaaaaame.

IceForce:

Zhukov:
Ehh, kinda?

*goes back to placing Symmetra teleporter so it leads people straight off a cliff*

Pfft, weaksauce. Mei is the undisputed Queen of Grief.

erttheking:
You talk about causing people suffering and yet you don't bring up Mei.

Yeah, but Mei is different. Her "griefing" techniques work better against enemy players, so pissing people off with her and playing effectively are almost the same thing.

Although, yes, throwing up a wall in front of an enemy McCree as he high noons or causing a Pharah to kill herself with her ult is pretty hilarious.

Raising walls in front of spawn is just crass though.

Reading this thread is funny because I'm playing EVE Online as we speak. You can actually fit the definition of both as you describe yet be neither. That's just Tuesday. That and actual Griefing is bannable, despite what you and even regular players may perceive.

And now I go back to shooting people and sticking their corpse in my meat locker.

I dont understand "oh but x is worse" logic.

If bill is a racist, do you stop and say "well he didnt kill 6 million of any race, so not really." ?

There are worse examples in the world, no doubt. But griefers do still fit the bill. Theyre getting enjoyment out of ruining other peoples enjoyment.

LegendaryGamer0:
actual Griefing is bannable, despite what you and even regular players may perceive.

So what is "Actual Griefing"?

Eric the Orange:

So what is "Actual Griefing"?

To be a dick without financial or otherwise visible gain.

Find a guy you want to kill because he fits shiny stuff to his ships and popping him is like a mini-birthday for your wallet and you chase him halfway across the galaxy after wardeccing him? Fair game.

Do the same thing but the guy doesn't really seem to have much value in killing but you decide to dedicate your week to making him suffer by fitting a hundred gank Catalysts to pop his pod whenever he undocks and you use locator agents to find him halfway across the galaxy to continue this so he basically can't play the game? GMs might have a bit of a word with you over your obsession.

And then there is specifically Rookie Griefing which will universally make you despised and banned very fast.

LegendaryGamer0:

Eric the Orange:

So what is "Actual Griefing"?

To be a dick without financial or otherwise visible gain.

How is that different than
"a person who annoys or harasses other players for their enjoyment."?

I'd really call them more of a sad act than sadistic.

"Oh, you can't do X because Y and listen to me whiiine!"

Aaand I just don't care...

Eric the Orange:

How is that different than
"a person who annoys or harasses other players for their enjoyment."?

It isn't. That basically is true griefing as you can't even bullshit it with Roleplay.

Silentpony:

Glongpre:

Borty The Bort:
You are comparing pain to harassment. Is being annoyed by someone in your game or whatever something you would call "pain?"

Mental trauma can be comparable to physical trauma. I remember reading something that basically concluded they are more or less the same in terms of impact.

See I would have preferred to have my school bullies yell at me and call me a faggot rather than beat the living hell out of me. Anyone who thinks getting griefed in Overwatch or Minecraft is comparable to getting the shit kicked out of you either plays way too much games or had an abnormally lucky childhood.

Note: Not accusing you at all Glongpre. Just stating in general

I don't know, I think the asswipes that troll the undead burg with low level characters and poison throwing knives are worse than real life bullies that do actual real life violence

DrownedAmmet:
I don't know, I think the asswipes that troll the undead burg with low level characters and poison throwing knives are worse than real life bullies that do actual real life violence

I'm fairly sure the broken and bruised ribs I sustained in 5th grade hurt a hell of a lot worse than a jackoff trolling me in a video game. Aside from the physical pain, which I only alluded to one particular instance, there was the mental and emotional trauma every day stepping off the bus of fear that something bad would happen that day, regardless of anything actually happening or not.
I'd say that my entire elementary school bullying experience was on a greater plane of "pain" than anything a griefer on a video game could ever do, considering I can just walk away from the game whereas I couldn't walk away from the corner I'd been backed into before my ribs were broken.

Imperioratorex Caprae:

DrownedAmmet:
I don't know, I think the asswipes that troll the undead burg with low level characters and poison throwing knives are worse than real life bullies that do actual real life violence

I'm fairly sure the broken and bruised ribs I sustained in 5th grade hurt a hell of a lot worse than a jackoff trolling me in a video game. Aside from the physical pain, which I only alluded to one particular instance, there was the mental and emotional trauma every day stepping off the bus of fear that something bad would happen that day, regardless of anything actually happening or not.
I'd say that my entire elementary school bullying experience was on a greater plane of "pain" than anything a griefer on a video game could ever do, considering I can just walk away from the game whereas I couldn't walk away from the corner I'd been backed into before my ribs were broken.

Yeah but sometimes the newbies might not make it back to their bloodstain and they might lose a bunch of souls and might get frustrated with the game and quit and they might not get to experience the rest of the game and...

Yeah you're right, I guess real life violence is worse than video game dickery. So those asswipes are, what, half as bad as real life bullies?

I knew Undead Burg twinks will come up eventually.

Every generation has its boogeyman.

When I was a wee lad, I had bad dreams about Blink Dagger Pudges fishing noobies without TP scrolls.

Now that was true horror you brats!

Get off my lawn.

Imre Csete:
-snip-

playing dotrash sounds like true horror to me honestly.

Undead Burg twinks

the hell is an undead burg twink?
someone who rages at it or people who believe the darksouls is hard may may

Griefers make the good experiences stand out more. In my point of view they are altruists.

cleric of the order:

Undead Burg twinks

the hell is an undead burg twink?
someone who rages at it or people who believe the darksouls is hard may may

People who play through the game at a low level, buff their equipment up to full, and then head back to the burg to invade newbies.

It's basically the reason they decided to tie weapon levels to the multiplayer system in Dark Souls 3.

Mental Cosmas:

People who play through the game at a low level, buff their equipment up to full, and then head back to the burg to invade newbies.

It's basically the reason they decided to tie weapon levels to the multiplayer system in Dark Souls 3.

Jesus i remember those jackasses, first player interaction I had in game was a jerkoff rocking full havels.
I figure they are the entire reason why soul memory was a thing
literally made ds 2 worse for it.

Battlefield Bad Company 2 had the worst case I've encountered. The spawn points are set in the game, typically 5. One home base for each team and 3 posts to capture. If one side has all 3 posts, the other can only spawn at home base. There are also attack helicopters, tanks and excellent sniping positions. Particularly on one map that has you in the middle of a flat desert.

Which means, joy of joys, the winning side can now spawn kill like nothing before. Two jackasses take the very fast and highly maneuverable heli and circle strafe the spawn points so it's impossible to hit them before they've sent your sorry ass into oblivion. To make things worse, the tanks, typically flanked by support crews armed with rocket launchers, are barraging your base. This kicks up smoke, shakes your camera constantly and ensures you cannot get a single accurate shot off. If you take the time to even try to line up a shot and miraculously aren't blown to smithereens, your head will be blown off by the snipers camped out where you have no hope of hitting them.

This meant that if one side got all the outposts, the other side would immediately quit rather than bother trying. This was a serious issue that was somewhat rectified in BF3, though Metro still suffered greatly from this because one side was trapped in 3 hallways that were easily covered by continuous fire. Your chances of winning were greatly affected by what side you were on. That being said, the other side's spawn suffered to a lesser degree as it was in a glass-fronted building across a wide street that made them easy pickings for snipers.

The game itself was structured to encourage this griefing, so it's either you roll with it or don't bother with it. I don't blame anyone who experienced this degree of encouraged spawn-killing and decided this wasn't going to be worth their time.

More on topic, your OP has more basis in reality than you realize.

cleric of the order:

playing dotrash sounds like true horror to me honestly.

People who think current MOBAs are toxic have no idea what the original WC3 mod with community servers were like more than a decade ago.

Now that made you immune to online harassment. :P

Imre Csete:

People who think current MOBAs are toxic have no idea what the original WC3 mod with community servers were like more than a decade ago.

I don't blame them if i was playing a mod that shit, in a game even worse. It'd make me uppity.
Now given the mod is one of the many nails in the coffin of the RTS genre even fucking more.
Thanks to mobas lapping up the short headed mildly academic preening nerds and starcraft "DRM > consumer's right" 2 staking claim to the rest, there's no real space on the market for new upcoming ips that no one would ever ask for anyway.
Fucking halowars 2 was the last big release.
And next up is dawn of war 3 which flung out gab, gaz and taldeer's VAs, Flung out chaos and real reasonable cover mechanics for ripping the fuck out of starcraft2 (a supremely overrated game if you ask me, if only for the always online drm which still has me boycotting it for all the good it's done) and just doesn't look promising

Now that made you immune to online harassment. :P

What i don't understand is how somehow get it in to their heads to people play these games while angry.
Hell when I'm dragged into devote way more of my life then I'd want on one of these at the behest of a friend i have to wonder how anyone goes into it thinking they aren't going to feel at the very least drained because the very system isn't really conducive to having or being fun.
Even then the worse i've seen on the mobas is the preening of cock sure fresh faced prat highschoolers, or curses in another langauge.
If folks are so fragile that, that constitutes harassment then they should realize you can just mute the fucker.

 

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