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So its been announced that they want to release a SNES classic.

I'd be happy if the NES classic wasn't discontinued nor bug me that its an obvious cash grab for nostalgia.

Sounds cool but it doesn't matter. They will be scarce and I'll never be able to find one for the actual retail price.

Did the NES Classic cost $50-ish?

I would buy the SNES if it had the same price.

SNES Classic? Sure, why not. Compared to the NES, the SNES has the better library by far.

Wouldn't buy one tho, since I have a fully functional actual SNES with pretty much every game I want for it (the ones I don't have won't be on the Classic anyhow).

Sweet.

Time to buy as many as I can so I can resell them in six months for a massive profit.

Capitalism, ho!

If Nintendo manages to make more than 8 of them, I'd be very interested in a SNES Classic (assuming they learned their lesson and the cord is longer than a small child).

Obviously this is pending what games are on it and the price but I'm much more interested in a SNES version than I was in a NES version.

If I were a scalper, I would be able to get one.

I don't get the appeal. I can already play all the SNES games I want.

CritialGaming:
They will only make 12 of them and nobody will be able to buy it. I wonder how long nintendo will be able to do this to people....oh wait, nintendo fans are idiots that will support all stupid decisions by that company because Mario offers secret handjobs behind Papa John's.

So I got a warning for saying

ME:
If you are about to go all SJW on me, I'm out.

in Religion and Politics. Apparently I was insulting someone, I am obviously disputing the warning. Still though, you flat out called many people idiots. You should be careful.

Anyway, yeah I saw many people complain that Nintendo discontinued the NES Classic and then in the same post begged for Nintendo to do it fans again by making an SNES Classic. I think they enjoy chasing products they cannot get.

Ezekiel:
I don't get the appeal. I can already play all the SNES games I want.

How? You already have all the SNES carts that you want, you already have all the SNES games you want on one of the virtual consoles? Some other way?

WeepingAngels:

CritialGaming:
They will only make 12 of them and nobody will be able to buy it. I wonder how long nintendo will be able to do this to people....oh wait, nintendo fans are idiots that will support all stupid decisions by that company because Mario offers secret handjobs behind Papa John's.

So I got a warning for saying

ME:
If you are about to go all SJW on me, I'm out.

in Religion and Politics. Apparently I was insulting someone, I am obviously disputing the warning. Still though, you flat out called many people idiots. You should be careful.

Anyway, yeah I saw many people complain that Nintendo discontinued the NES Classic and then in the same post begged for Nintendo to do it fans again by making an SNES Classic. I think they enjoy chasing products they cannot get.

The difference is doing generalization of insults. Like "fans" versus you directly calling someone a name. It's like directly calling someone a racist versus a general statement of "All Trump supporters are blah blah blah yadda whatever"

Fact is people are pretty damn stupid when it comes to their fandoms. Developers and companies do shady shit and people defend those actions for no reason at all. Like in the case with Nintendo and their inability to make enough product for the demand. Or Bioware and the animation ka-fuckle. Or No Man's Sky.

It's an insult, but it isn't a direct insult so *shrug*.

Back OT, The classic emulator things are a great idea. But here's is my biggest problem with Nintendo's bullshit.

1. They actively persue people who host emulators and ROMs of their games. Many of which people couldn't buy if they wanted too.
2. They release an official Emulator with NES games that people are GLADLY willing to pay for.
3. But they only release a fucking trivial amount of them.
4. So now people who would pay for products can't because there is an artifcial scarcity of the item.

They do this over and over and over again, and people defend it. Amiibo's, Wii's, Wii U's, Switches, NES Classics. It's a cycle that they repeat over an over and over again and I don't understand what the fuck is wrong with them. Nor do I understand the fans that continue to put up with that shit.

Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.

CritialGaming:

Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.

First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.

OT: Nintendo doesn't have anyone by the balls who doesn't choose to be 'had'. Every game they are likely to release on an official emulator like the NES/SNES Classics is available on one of the Virtual Consoles. If fans don't want to go that route than go to a retro store (or online) and get the real carts. Nintendo has no one by the balls but they are often anti-consumer with all the artificial scarcity BS. Nintendo is 80% to blame and those fans who think they have to have Nintendo things are the other 20% of the blame. It's like a thief (80%) who breaks into unlocked cars and then people who defend the thief because the cars were unlocked (20%). Both are to blame for the thief's continued behavior.

I can't wait to not be able to buy this.

WeepingAngels:

CritialGaming:

Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.

First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.

OT: Nintendo doesn't have anyone by the balls who doesn't choose to be 'had'. Every game they are likely to release on an official emulator like the NES/SNES Classics is available on one of the Virtual Consoles. If fans don't want to go that route than go to a retro store (or online) and get the real carts. Nintendo has no one by the balls but they are often anti-consumer with all the artificial scarcity BS. Nintendo is 80% to blame and those fans who think they have to have Nintendo things are the other 20% of the blame. It's like a thief (80%) who breaks into unlocked cars and then people who defend the thief because the cars were unlocked (20%). Both are to blame for the thief's continued behavior.

But we aren't talking about theivary here. We are talking about people literally telling Nintendo, "Hey we wanna buy these things from you, please make them." And Nintendo going, "Nah, money is stupid and we hate it."

CritialGaming:

WeepingAngels:

CritialGaming:

Well actually I do, I understand that Nintendo has many people by the balls, and if those people want to get the games they love, they have to suck nintendo off, or nintendo wont release anything. Holding your fans hostage is not a good look for a company.

First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.

OT: Nintendo doesn't have anyone by the balls who doesn't choose to be 'had'. Every game they are likely to release on an official emulator like the NES/SNES Classics is available on one of the Virtual Consoles. If fans don't want to go that route than go to a retro store (or online) and get the real carts. Nintendo has no one by the balls but they are often anti-consumer with all the artificial scarcity BS. Nintendo is 80% to blame and those fans who think they have to have Nintendo things are the other 20% of the blame. It's like a thief (80%) who breaks into unlocked cars and then people who defend the thief because the cars were unlocked (20%). Both are to blame for the thief's continued behavior.

But we aren't talking about theivary here. We are talking about people literally telling Nintendo, "Hey we wanna buy these things from you, please make them." And Nintendo going, "Nah, money is stupid and we hate it."

It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.

I thought earlier you said:

nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions

So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?

Natemans:
So its been announced that they want to release a SNES classic.

I'd be happy if the NES classic wasn't discontinued nor bug me that its an obvious cash grab for nostalgia.

it's only a rumor.

no it hasn't been announced at all. get your facts right OP.

Ezekiel:
I don't get the appeal. I can already play all the SNES games I want.

just because you can doesn't mean other people can.

WeepingAngels:

CritialGaming:

WeepingAngels:

First of all, I didn't call anyone an SJW, I just said 'If you are one and about to jump on the Trump hate train then I am out'. I just don't care enough about Trump to have a meaningful or interesting debate. I guess it's kinda nice though that calling someone an SJW is officially (according to Escapist mods) an insult.

OT: Nintendo doesn't have anyone by the balls who doesn't choose to be 'had'. Every game they are likely to release on an official emulator like the NES/SNES Classics is available on one of the Virtual Consoles. If fans don't want to go that route than go to a retro store (or online) and get the real carts. Nintendo has no one by the balls but they are often anti-consumer with all the artificial scarcity BS. Nintendo is 80% to blame and those fans who think they have to have Nintendo things are the other 20% of the blame. It's like a thief (80%) who breaks into unlocked cars and then people who defend the thief because the cars were unlocked (20%). Both are to blame for the thief's continued behavior.

But we aren't talking about theivary here. We are talking about people literally telling Nintendo, "Hey we wanna buy these things from you, please make them." And Nintendo going, "Nah, money is stupid and we hate it."

It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.

I thought earlier you said:

nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions

So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?

I don't understand why Nintendo denies people to give them free money. It doesn't make business sense to me. I would've gladly bought an NES Classic if they produced enough of them no question. It's like a game that Nintendo is playing, a very annoying one at that. It makes people care about them less and less.

WeepingAngels:

It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.

I thought earlier you said:

nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions

So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?

I understand manufacturing cost, and I don't blame Nintendo for doing a conservative number of the consoles. But once the things sold out in seconds, any reasonable business would produce more. But Nintendo doesn't (at least not for Amiibos and the Classics), they just stop making them.

Think of it this way, if I make a product that I'm unsure that will sell it is reasonable that I'll only make a limited number of them. Say 10,000. But if that product sells out almost instantly and people clammor for me to make more, I wouldn't shake my head and say no. I'd make more.

Why sell 10,000 units when I can sell 100,000 units? 250,000?

Would you like a million dollars or ten million dollars?

THAT! is what doesn't make sense to me. They clearly have the production capability, so that isn't an excuse. It isn't parts, it isn't even production cost. There is literally NO REASON to have not made more.

And I can promise you. IF they do an SNES version, it will be just as rare. Not only that but depending on the games they put on the system, it might even have a HIGHER demand. I mean if they stuck Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6, on this thing. I'd pay 50 bucks just for that. Nevermind any other titles they put on it.

CritialGaming:

WeepingAngels:

It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.

I thought earlier you said:

nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions

So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?

I understand manufacturing cost, and I don't blame Nintendo for doing a conservative number of the consoles. But once the things sold out in seconds, any reasonable business would produce more. But Nintendo doesn't (at least not for Amiibos and the Classics), they just stop making them.

Think of it this way, if I make a product that I'm unsure that will sell it is reasonable that I'll only make a limited number of them. Say 10,000. But if that product sells out almost instantly and people clammor for me to make more, I wouldn't shake my head and say no. I'd make more.

Why sell 10,000 units when I can sell 100,000 units? 250,000?

Would you like a million dollars or ten million dollars?

THAT! is what doesn't make sense to me. They clearly have the production capability, so that isn't an excuse. It isn't parts, it isn't even production cost. There is literally NO REASON to have not made more.

And I can promise you. IF they do an SNES version, it will be just as rare. Not only that but depending on the games they put on the system, it might even have a HIGHER demand. I mean if they stuck Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6, on this thing. I'd pay 50 bucks just for that. Nevermind any other titles they put on it.

Agreed 100%. Nintendo has no issue producing these things, so limiting them and enabling price scalpers is very odd to me.

CritialGaming:

WeepingAngels:

It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.

I thought earlier you said:

nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions

So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?

I understand manufacturing cost, and I don't blame Nintendo for doing a conservative number of the consoles. But once the things sold out in seconds, any reasonable business would produce more. But Nintendo doesn't (at least not for Amiibos and the Classics), they just stop making them.

Think of it this way, if I make a product that I'm unsure that will sell it is reasonable that I'll only make a limited number of them. Say 10,000. But if that product sells out almost instantly and people clammor for me to make more, I wouldn't shake my head and say no. I'd make more.

Why sell 10,000 units when I can sell 100,000 units? 250,000?

Would you like a million dollars or ten million dollars?

THAT! is what doesn't make sense to me. They clearly have the production capability, so that isn't an excuse. It isn't parts, it isn't even production cost. There is literally NO REASON to have not made more.

And I can promise you. IF they do an SNES version, it will be just as rare. Not only that but depending on the games they put on the system, it might even have a HIGHER demand. I mean if they stuck Super Metroid, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 6, on this thing. I'd pay 50 bucks just for that. Nevermind any other titles they put on it.

Well in truth, anyone with eyes and an internet connection could see the excitement and demand for the NES Classic when it was announced. Nintendo literally had no excuse to manufacture so few unless they did no market research at all. Like you said too, once even Nintendo couldn't ignore the demand they still didn't put any real effort into meeting demand. They are 80% to blame but the people who defend them and ask them to repeat this disaster with another Classic mini system are to blame too.

I would want a SNES Classic under normal circumstances but 1) After the way they treated consumers with the NES Classic, I don't want one now. 2) Even if I still wanted one, it isn't worth the frustration of trying to find one.

BaldursGateTemple:

WeepingAngels:

CritialGaming:

But we aren't talking about theivary here. We are talking about people literally telling Nintendo, "Hey we wanna buy these things from you, please make them." And Nintendo going, "Nah, money is stupid and we hate it."

It's true but there is more to it than that. Nintendo saves money by being ultra conservative with manufacturing and not doing proper market research and I believe that is where this scarcity usually comes from. Nintendo fans defending them and also begging for more of the same is only encouraging Nintendo to keep it up.

I thought earlier you said:

nintendo fans are *the type* that will support all stupid decisions

So why are we disagreeing now that Nintendo fans are partially to blame for Nintendo's continued anti-consumer behavior?

I don't understand why Nintendo denies people to give them free money. It doesn't make business sense to me. I would've gladly bought an NES Classic if they produced enough of them no question. It's like a game that Nintendo is playing, a very annoying one at that. It makes people care about them less and less.

Maybe if Nintendo would tell us why. Maybe it was because the machine was hacked but then why not patch the holes on newer models. If they are making an SNES Classic then surely they are capable of patching the hole.

WeepingAngels:
1) After the way they treated consumers with the NES Classic, I don't want one now. 2) Even if I still wanted one, it isn't worth the frustration of trying to find one.

or you could always just preorder it like a normal person who wants one would.

McMarbles:
I can't wait to not be able to buy this.

*tipshat* genuine lol'd.

Yoshi178:
or you could always just preorder it like a normal person who wants one would.

Has it become normal to pre-order the products you want making it harder for people to walk into a store and buy one? I am not a fan of pre-order culture. If that's the new normal, I'm out.

WeepingAngels:

Yoshi178:
or you could always just preorder it like a normal person who wants one would.

Has it become normal to pre-order the products you want making it harder for people to walk into a store and buy one? I am not a fan of pre-order culture. If that's the new normal, I'm out.

do you always sulk when companies put out limited run items and you miss out on them?

NES mini was only ever meant to be a limited edition item. it was never intended to be a mass produced item. hell we're lucky we even got the restocks they gave us in the first place

Yoshi178:
do you always sulk when companies put out limited run items and you miss out on them?

No, do you pre-order everything?

WeepingAngels:

Yoshi178:
do you always sulk when companies put out limited run items and you miss out on them?

No, do you pre-order everything?

pretty much yeah so i have everything i want paid off early and so i don't miss out on anything.

hell Fire Emblem Echoes limited edition pre-orders ran out within a day here

Yoshi178:
pretty much yeah so i have everything paid off early and so i don't miss out on anything.

hell Fire Emblem Echoes limited edition pre-orders ran out within a day here

To each his own but Fire Emblem Echoes limited edition is just a special edition. If you prefer to buy things after release and/or in stores, you can easily get the standard edition. Not really comparable to a piece of hardware that you have to pre-order or you can't get it at all. Also, it wasn't called the NES Classic Mini Limited Edition. I know that Nintendo said that it was intended to be limited but it wasn't obvious to most people and Nintendo never said it before release and did wait until it was discontinued to tell us.

I have no problem with special editions that are limited and therefore sell out with pre-orders (outside of disliking pre-orders in general) but a standard edition being easily available makes all the difference. Besides, let's not pretend that Nintendo tried the best they could to meet demand, they didn't.

WeepingAngels:

Yoshi178:
pretty much yeah so i have everything paid off early and so i don't miss out on anything.

hell Fire Emblem Echoes limited edition pre-orders ran out within a day here

To each his own but Fire Emblem Echoes limited edition is just a special edition. If you prefer to buy things after release and/or in stores, you can easily get the standard edition. Not really comparable to a piece of hardware that you have to pre-order or you can't get it at all. Also, it wasn't called the NES Classic Mini Limited Edition. I know that Nintendo said that it was intended to be limited but it wasn't obvious to most people and Nintendo never said it before release and did wait until it was discontinued to tell us.

I have no problem with special editions that are limited and therefore sell out with pre-orders (outside of disliking pre-orders in general) but a standard edition being easily available makes all the difference. Besides, let's not pretend that Nintendo tried the best they could to meet demand, they didn't.

just because it wasn't obvious to you, the fact that Nintendo did say it was intended to be a limited run item should still be a massive indicator to you that you should probably pre-order or miss out.

especially since you live in America where the population is massive and it's much harder to obtain items and people wait out the front of stores at like 6am just so they can get new release consoles and such.

i live in Australia and people always crap on us saying it'd be horrible to live here because of our game censorship and such. but hey at least it's alot easier for us to actually obtain new release items here than it is in America.

and hey, because i pre-order all my stuff. it means that currently the only upcoming things i have to pay off are Splatoon 2, Fire Emblem Warriors and Mario Odyssey and those all aren't coming out for ages so i have plenty of time to pay them off.

it also means it's much easier for me to save up for the announcements they make at E3 now. i'm way ahead in that sense :)

Did Nintendo say it was to be limited prior to it being discontinued? I may have missed it.

WeepingAngels:
Did Nintendo say it was to be limited prior to it being discontinued? I may have missed it.

Nintendo released it a 30th anniversary celebration for the NES. it was purely meant to a novelty limited release item to appeal to peoples nostalgia people could pick up over the holiday season to keep people occupied while everyone was waiting for the Nintendo Switch. nothing more.

the NES Mini was never intended to go into massive production like all of Nintendo's actual consoles like the Switch is

Yoshi178:
Nintendo released it a 30th anniversary celebration for the NES. it was purely meant to a novelty limited release item to appeal to peoples nostalgia people could pick up over the holiday season to keep people occupied while everyone was waiting for the Nintendo Switch. nothing more.

the NES Mini was never intended to go into massive production like all of Nintendo's actual consoles like the Switch is

I am not seeing a link to a quote from Nintendo so no, I guess they didn't come out and tell people it was limited until it was discontinued. Why are you defending them, what's in it for you?

Well they're going to make few of them.
They're going to make them hard to buy.
And then they're going to discontinue them.
So I don't know why even get excited about it.

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