So Valve is not your friend, according to Polygon.

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hermes:
Oh CoCage, you self righteous SOBs, when will you learn? Basically, it's you having a bitch fit over Polygon opinion on Valve's policies on Steam, but the way they write it, you would think Polygon brutally murdered your entire families.

My point is this, while you are not wrong, you act like Polygon is the only guilty of this, or Polygon is the worst of the worst.... Polygon has many problems, but once again, they are not the worse of the worst. They ain't my friend, but they are not my enemy either. And you seems really happy in painting them as mustache-twirly villains.

I never said that they were the worse of the worst. That goes to IGN, but Polygon is 2nd place.

CaitSeith:
How about not becoming self-righteous SOBs ourselves, and better discussing the points they wrote there instead? (I'm talking to everyone, not just the OP)

Note at the beginning: The views expressed in this article are those of the author and do not necessarily represent the views of, and should not be attributed to, Polygon as an organization.

I don't define this opinion article as much as self-righteous, but written in a tone full of smugness and condescension. Even so, it's also full of references to events worth discussing.

PS: I agree that this thread sounds more fitting to Gaming Industry Discussion; but why to waste a chance to see if people want to talk about this? (at least more people than just those who'd rather see Polygon disappear from the Internet).

I admit that the SOB part came too strong. It's just frustration on my part. I am tired of seeing such hypocrisy for most of these gaming news websites. Where they say things are not okay, but when they do it, or someone in their favor do it; then everything okie-dokie. And they never admit there mistakes, and looks like they would rather bite off their own tongue than apologize or correct their problems.

Thank you CaitSeth, I don't mind the topic staying up if everyone still wants to talk about it, but I'll make sure to come up with a more positive topic. Once again, on the Game Industry Forum, I though about it, but almost nobody goes there anymore, and it's filled with tired Gamer Gate/Anti-Gamer Gate trite. If it fits the sub-forum, I'll make sure to put it there. You have a great one.

CoCage:
I don't why the writer or whoever else does the writing for articles acts so offended and surprised by Valve policies or action, while saying nothing or being indifferent towards other companies or publishers shady actions.

Maybe because it's an opinion article about Valve, and not an analysis about shady practices from different companies in the industry. If you talk about how your city isn't fixing the potholes on your street, it doesn't make sense to call out the potholes from the city in another state.

EDIT: But that doesn't stop us from discussing the negatives from other companies here. Or if the positive things that Valve has made outweigh the negatives the writer is accusing them of doing.

Jamcie Kerbizz:

Posting clickbait racist games themed BS to try and bring in audience for ads instead of providing news on games?

If you're trying to insinuate here that advocating diversity is somehow racist, then at least I know I can safely ignore the original post, safe in the knowledge that there wasn't a valid point to be made in it.

CoCage:
Oh Polygon, you self righteous SOBs, when will you learn? Basically, it's them having a bitch fit over Valve's policies on Steam, but the way they write it, you would think Valve brutally murdered their entire families. To Polygon, I have to say, where was this attitude with companies like Apple or EA's digital service. If anything they come off as a jilted lover. Why do people subscribe to you again? You and Kotaku are the gaming equivalent of Fox News.

I never used Steam, nor will I in the future, but is Steam really the worse when it comes to digital services? No I'd say EA is still far worse from the stories I heard. For those curious, here's the article.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/5/16/15622366/valve-gabe-newell-sales-origin-destructive

Comparing them to Faux is laughable.

Also keep in mind Polygon's opinion pieces do not represent the site as as a whole.

I think the article makes some good points, I blame Valve for how crazy DRM in PC games has gotten, as after Steam got popular publishers knew they could get away with putting DRM in their games on PC.

Also considering a judge admonished Valve for their actions, I think there is reason to be wary of Steam.

Jamcie Kerbizz:
Weren't they also ones claiming COD WWII is not diverse enough?

If so then they're bunch of chauvinists and bigots in their death throes,
trying to get any attention to their crumbling platform
or given their target maybe just bunch of spineless twat's on EA's leash, smearing hit pieces on demand?

Neither option being worthy source of news on gaming industry.

You do know how Polygon does opinion pieces right? Different people on the site have different beliefs.

Silvanus:

Jamcie Kerbizz:

Posting clickbait racist games themed BS to try and bring in audience for ads instead of providing news on games?

If you're trying to insinuate here that advocating diversity is somehow racist, then at least I know I can safely ignore the original post, safe in the knowledge that there wasn't a valid point to be made in it.

Anyone thinks that making games more diverse is "racist" is incredibly ignorant.

CoCage:

Zhukov:

CoCage:
Oh Polygon, you self righteous SOBs, when will you learn? Basically, it's them having a bitch fit over Valve's policies on Steam, but the way they write it, you would think Valve brutally murdered their entire families. To Polygon, I have to say, where was this attitude with companies like Apple or EA's digital service. If anything they come off as a jilted lover. Why do people subscribe to you again? You and Kotaku are the gaming equivalent of Fox News.

Jeez dude, the way you say it, you would think Polygon brutally murdered your entire family.

It's not a particularly well written article and the language is needlessly melodramatic but it presents some solid points and you haven't put forward a fucking thing to refute any of them.

My point is this, while they are not wrong (Steam Greenlight, lack of a refund policy before 2015), Polygon act like Steam is the only guilty of this, or Valve is the worst of the worst. My biggest problem with Polygon is that they pretend be good people, who are nothing more than a bunch of self-serving assholes who only do things to benefit their own agenda. Steam has many problems, but once again, they are not the worse of the worst. Valve ain't my friend, but they are not my enemy either. And Polygon seems really happy in painting them as mustache-twirly villains.

erttheking:
I notice you don't actually reply to their points and then overreact, much like they did.

Not really, I am just giving my perspective. I have overreacted to some things in my life, but I put my foot down when crap like this posted on the net like it's something "new", "groundbreaking", or "controversial".

StatusNil:
You know, there's a subforum for topics like these here:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/index/663-Game-Industry-Discussion

That said, of course Steam is not my "friend". But unlike Polygon, at least it's not my enemy.

I thought about it, but barely anyone talks on that sub-forum anymore, and most of the time it's some guys talking about tired topics of GamerGate/SJW/Anti-SJW nobody cares about anymore.

I think Polygon are good people and one could argue Valve themselves are "self serving assholes"(which else would they let CS:GO gambling go on for so long?)

cleric of the order:

Phasmal:
A corporation isn't my friend? Say it ain't so!

Also, it's weird how some people like really hate some pretty harmless and bland websites like Polygon and Kotaku, or is this like an "ethics" thing that I'm just not getting? I dunno. I tend not to get angry about things like that.

I would not categorize polygon as harmless given they had something to do with those sites pushing the "you'll take what you've given" and being generally anti-consumer hacks.
whether people want to dwell on the ME3 controversy or not the gamers are entitled mythos arguably has not helped the fact that a fair bit of corporate games come to us peacemeil and mildly broken on day one.(not a big deal for me because, yah know Monkey island rule, and i mostly play indie anyway)
in fact if I'm not mistaken Colin Moriarty came from polygon and they were the folks that published this nonsense in the first place.

But if you disagree that then they are simply a bunch of corporate centrifuges, people being say "too old" to enjoy destiny, entitlement and the like doesn't really do anything but shit on their consumer base with sophist tripe.
The fact that they remain alive worries me greatly

They are not "anti-consumer" at all, and I find it hilarious that people are worried about them.

darkrage6:
Anyone thinks that making games more diverse is "racist" is incredibly ignorant.

Would have to agree.

I enjoy seeing characters like myself, and don't get to see that terribly often. Sure, that's one reason I like to see greater diversity in games. But diversity-- in its very broadest sense, applying not only to characters but game modes, environments, everything-- is beneficial from an artistic point of view, as well. The wider the pool of experiences available, the more people will find something enjoyable, and that's unarguably good. That's why game types, modes, environments, etc should be diverse.

And, since games have narratives (well, almost all of them do) and people frequently enjoy them for narrative reasons, the same applies to characterisation. Diversify the character pool and you have less homogeneity, a wider net, more people with something enjoyable to experience (and occasionally relate to).

It's not a political argument (well, not mainly, anyway; that's only a small part of it). It's an artistic one.

darkrage6:

I think Polygon are good people and one could argue Valve themselves are "self serving assholes"(which else would they let CS:GO gambling go on for so long?)

I completely forgot about the CS:GO problem, thanks for reminding me. I said this before though, I don't see Valve as the good guys at all. They've got huge problems, but at least they attempt to fix some mistake. Yet, they still need do more and act on it fast. But between that and whatever Polygon going on about it's case of pick your poison. The self-serving asshole part still rings true on Polygon; the whole GamerGate thing. Then again, a lot of people on both sides on the fence look like equal assholes.

darkrage6:

Comparing them to Faux is laughable.

Also keep in mind Polygon's opinion pieces do not represent the site as as a whole.

I think the article makes some good points, I blame Valve for how crazy DRM in PC games has gotten, as after Steam got popular publishers knew they could get away with putting DRM in their games on PC.

Also considering a judge admonished Valve for their actions, I think there is reason to be wary of Steam.

What would you compare Polygon to? Just out of curiosity. I know one of the user compared them to Buzfeed.

darkrage6:
Anyone thinks that making games more diverse is "racist" is incredibly ignorant.

Agreed. While I usually prefer gameplay over story, that should not excuse the lack of diversity.

CoCage:

darkrage6:

I think Polygon are good people and one could argue Valve themselves are "self serving assholes"(which else would they let CS:GO gambling go on for so long?)

I completely forgot about the CS:GO problem, thanks for reminding me. I said this before though, I don't see Valve as the good guys at all. They've got huge problems, but at least they attempt to fix some mistake. Yet, they still need do more and act on it fast. But between that and whatever Polygon going on about it's case of pick your poison. The self-serving asshole part still rings true on Polygon; the whole GamerGate thing. Then again, a lot of people on both sides on the fence look like equal assholes.

darkrage6:

Comparing them to Faux is laughable.

Also keep in mind Polygon's opinion pieces do not represent the site as as a whole.

I think the article makes some good points, I blame Valve for how crazy DRM in PC games has gotten, as after Steam got popular publishers knew they could get away with putting DRM in their games on PC.

Also considering a judge admonished Valve for their actions, I think there is reason to be wary of Steam.

What would you compare Polygon to? Just out of curiosity. I know one of the user compared them to Buzfeed.

darkrage6:
Anyone thinks that making games more diverse is "racist" is incredibly ignorant.

Agreed. While I usually prefer gameplay over story, that should not excuse the lack of diversity.

I don't have a problem with Buzzfeed for the most part, so that's not a comparison that really means anything to me. Some of the stories i've heard about Valve are disturbing, especially with how poorly they treated a trans-gendered employee(something which i've never heard of Polygon doing).

I agree with most of what Polygon said about GG.

darkrage6:
I don't have a problem with Buzzfeed for the most part, so that's not a comparison that really means anything to me. Some of the stories i've heard about Valve are disturbing, especially with how poorly they treated a trans-gendered employee(something which i've never heard of Polygon doing).

I agree with most of what Polygon said about GG.

Kinda like how the original Blue Ranger was harassed on and off the set for being gay. Do you have a link or news source about that story on Valve. If it's true, then that is another corporation on the asshole list.

CoCage:

darkrage6:
I don't have a problem with Buzzfeed for the most part, so that's not a comparison that really means anything to me. Some of the stories i've heard about Valve are disturbing, especially with how poorly they treated a trans-gendered employee(something which i've never heard of Polygon doing).

I agree with most of what Polygon said about GG.

Kinda like how the original Blue Ranger was harassed on and off the set for being gay. Do you have a link or news source about that story on Valve. If it's true, then that is another corporation on the asshole list.

It's in the original link:

Much like the ones on their famously mobile desks, the wheels on that particularly romanticized notion appear to have fallen off. Former Valve employees have come out to slam the internal culture as being a high-school like mix of cliques and backstabbing, with another engineer saying it was "the worst experience of my life" and with desk setups similar to a "panopticon prison". Valve was even slapped with a court case after one transgender employee alleged that her supervisor constantly referred to her as 'it.'

Frezzato:
Much like the ones on their famously mobile desks, the wheels on that particularly romanticized notion appear to have fallen off. Former Valve employees have come out to slam the internal culture as being a high-school like mix of cliques and backstabbing, with another engineer saying it was "the worst experience of my life" and with desk setups similar to a "panopticon prison". Valve was even slapped with a court case after one transgender employee alleged that her supervisor constantly referred to her as 'it.'

Huh? How did I miss that? I'll give the guy on Polygon where credit is due on that one.

Wow, people are actually defending Polyg-

*reads usernames*

Hm.

Regardless, it's just some article on Polygon. Who cares, really? They want the attention. Why give it to 'em, OP? "Don't feed the trolls!" applies to these sorts of "news" organizations too, ya know.

Traffic is traffic.

Rage clicks are just as valuable to them as the self-righteous ones.

Ya really don't need that kind of negativity in your life, m8.

I'm just going to try and keep this short, but if you're seriously going to consider anything Polygon has to say of any real significance, then I'll try to remind you that this is the site that has financial ties to Microsoft(hint, hint), and routinely put out videos approaching their "First 30 minutes of Doom" vid that came out last year in terms of incompetence.

And if you continue to defend them, then I really don't see any real reason to really respond, far too much of a waste of my time.

Valve's reputation has fallen so much over the last 10 years, this isn't really anything surprising. Valve has betrayed the trust of its fan base since like, every game after the Orange Box.

Most of the positive opinions of Valve came from when they released 5 god-tier games for only $50, summer sales, and free updates for tf2. All this without charging like Xbox Live. Oh, and you could also point to the number of concurrent steam users and CS1.6/CS:S players and say that PC gaming wasn't dead yet.

Then it was all downhill from there. If this was supposed to be a slap in the face to Valve fanboys, let's just say if you haven't changed your mind after the last 10 years, you probably will never do so.

darkrage6:

They are not "anti-consumer" at all,

>gamers are too old to enjoy destiny
>mass effect 3 is consumer entitlement
and i assume quite a bit more but i dropped that site pretty fast after this.
this sentiment that they produce is anti-consumer, it's trying to spin mediocre product into the consumers fault.
it's not that the game is bad and over-hyped, it's that YOU are wrong.

and I find it hilarious that people are worried about them.

I disagree.
the fact that the site is still up shows the there is a great lack of taste

Phasmal:

I'm sure there's probably reasons to legitimately dislike them but I was mostly surprised by the hostility.

I don't think there is a lot of actual hostility towards it, I like a tongue and cheek approach myself but there are friends of mine who are actually angry over it.

I generally just stop going to websites I don't like.

Same, reason why I'm not reading the article until i see an archive link of it, no clicks from me.

Also maybe it's just me but it seems like loads of things get labelled "anti-consumer" when it comes to gaming.

I mean that's because they are.
-selling the game piecemeal
-micro transactions
-dlc
-central servers and always online drm
-lack of optimization
-apologia for bad products. (see polygon)
-PAID MODS (now that i'm mad, that thing had to die, value why)
-fanboyisms and consol wars
-square enix and the consolidation of middle market titles into AAA tripe.
all of this strangles a dying industry

Personally I do think the customer base can be a bit sensitive like that.

rightly so, games have the highest price of any form of media and generally the worst time/money ratio.
and a great deal of people ain't rich, you could by almost 7 books for the cost of a new release and unless it's a multiplayer hog I'll get more time out of those books
The marginal utility of games is fucking weird, and having hucksters around doesn't help

CaitSeith:

A bit sensitive if you read only the complains and not the profit figures from those things. Numbers talk: the consumers like those things. Personally I think the customer base has grown unsensitive to such practices because they are the norm in the industry (even if they didn't use to be before).

not sure if i agree.
From what i remember we were seeing a drop off in hardware and software sales overall.
squeeenix and capcom for instance were counting a bunch of losses even despite the major sales of some of their titles
Konami was mostly doing poorly bare the metal gear game
but it does annoy me that this hasn't happened faster
this shit should be unbearable for any gamer and yet the banal fields and codrones keep marching foward

I have no love for Polygon, but Valve isn't your friend. They'll tell you they are, but only as long as they keep getting access to your wallet. Next you'll be telling me that "Blizzard is perfect and is in no way related to those bumfucks at Activision!"

Also, for someone calling out melodrama you seem to be pretty melodramatic. After the DOOM saga and the complaints that WW2 shooter wasn't "diverse enough", I don't think any of us need reminding that Polygon is basically a professional baiting organization.

I've never loved Valve. Haven't hated it really either. As numerous others have stated, despite the rather melodramatic overtones, the article raises a few key points.

My real beef with Valve is the DRM shitstorm it throws at you. Unfortunately, GOG has a much smaller library, and I care more about video games than DRM, so thus, I use Steam.

...I mean, it's not like they're wrong about Valve, they are a bit of a bullshit organization.

Redryhno:
I'm just going to try and keep this short, but if you're seriously going to consider anything Polygon has to say of any real significance, then I'll try to remind you that this is the site that has financial ties to Microsoft(hint, hint), and routinely put out videos approaching their "First 30 minutes of Doom" vid that came out last year in terms of incompetence.

And if you continue to defend them, then I really don't see any real reason to really respond, far too much of a waste of my time.

...who's defending them? Outside one guy the running theme of the thread seems to be 'Polygon is bad but they do have a point about Valve being awful too'. If anything the 'defense' is just people having a go at OP for reacting to the article's tone rather than engaging with the points it was trying to make about Valve being god-awful.

Unless this was directed at the one guy, in which case, ignore me.

Whaaat, a multi-billion dollar company doesn't treat me like their friend?

They still beat most if not all digital distribution platforms, they might not be the best company in the world but I've never had real grudges against them.

But if they could release games instead of focusing on selling skins for their 5 to 10 year old games, that'd be great.

CoCage:

darkrage6:
I don't have a problem with Buzzfeed for the most part, so that's not a comparison that really means anything to me. Some of the stories i've heard about Valve are disturbing, especially with how poorly they treated a trans-gendered employee(something which i've never heard of Polygon doing).

I agree with most of what Polygon said about GG.

Kinda like how the original Blue Ranger was harassed on and off the set for being gay. Do you have a link or news source about that story on Valve. If it's true, then that is another corporation on the asshole list.

Yes like that, she was also stiffed on payment for her work on translations:https://www.polygon.com/2016/5/24/11761242/valve-former-employee-lawsuit-transgender-discrimination

cleric of the order:

darkrage6:

They are not "anti-consumer" at all,

>gamers are too old to enjoy destiny
>mass effect 3 is consumer entitlement
and i assume quite a bit more but i dropped that site pretty fast after this.
this sentiment that they produce is anti-consumer, it's trying to spin mediocre product into the consumers fault.
it's not that the game is bad and over-hyped, it's that YOU are wrong.

and I find it hilarious that people are worried about them.

I disagree.
the fact that the site is still up shows the there is a great lack of taste

The key word here is "assume" as in you don't know for a fact, so you're talking nonsense. Polygon actually seems one of the more reasonable gaming sites in terms of being careful not to overhype games to death.

Wrex Brogan:
...I mean, it's not like they're wrong about Valve, they are a bit of a bullshit organization.

Redryhno:
I'm just going to try and keep this short, but if you're seriously going to consider anything Polygon has to say of any real significance, then I'll try to remind you that this is the site that has financial ties to Microsoft(hint, hint), and routinely put out videos approaching their "First 30 minutes of Doom" vid that came out last year in terms of incompetence.

And if you continue to defend them, then I really don't see any real reason to really respond, far too much of a waste of my time.

...who's defending them? Outside one guy the running theme of the thread seems to be 'Polygon is bad but they do have a point about Valve being awful too'. If anything the 'defense' is just people having a go at OP for reacting to the article's tone rather than engaging with the points it was trying to make about Valve being god-awful.

Unless this was directed at the one guy, in which case, ignore me.

We've got two pages because of a Polygon article dude. We've had 3 posts in threads on mediocre games turn into scream fests in the last two months alone. There's at least two people that are at least thinking in their minds "Well, it's Polygon, they've run true stories before(that they copied from slightly more reputable sources)". Just because a horribly broken, badly rainbow-painted, gender confused, cuckoo clock is right this time doesn't mean it has any real trust from alot of people. And at least one of those "Alot" is me.

I'm not even saying they're wrong or that Valve cares about me beyond what I can pay them, but they're at least honest about what they want from you. And I'll take that over a piece that just suddenly turned up out of the blue from a news outlet that has ties to a company that is trying to make their operating system less and less accessible for anyone but their pre-approved and rubberstamped programs. Not to mention they sorta rolled out a new update for their newest OS and people have reported some Steam games not functioning properly here and there. Which may just be a coincidence and be a unpackaging fuck-up, I know.

All I'm saying is that best case scenario, they ran out of things to take off social media and turn into a big deal(or overhype a game to the point that nobody has any interest in looking at it), annoying as hell and largely something anyone that uses Steam or has any experience with any company knows already, but whatever, they have no other talents or skills to make a living anyways. Worst case, it's the first in a line of hitpieces.

Either way, I don't particularly think Polygon has much value to me and I don't think they should really have as much of a market share of games "journalism" as they do. Was simply reminding people of instances where they have supremely fucked up if they were on the fence of "What if Polygon knows what they're talking about?".

BabyfartsMcgeezaks:
Whaaat, a multi-billion dollar company doesn't treat me like their friend?

They still beat most if not all digital distribution platforms, they might not be the best company in the world but I've never had real grudges against them.

But if they could release games instead of focusing on selling skins for their 5 to 10 year old games, that'd be great.

Not in terms of customer service, Origin by most accounts is far better in that department then Valve is, plus let's not forget Origin had a refund policy years before Valve did.

I personally like GOG better since all the games you buy there are DRM-free.

Redryhno:

Wrex Brogan:
...I mean, it's not like they're wrong about Valve, they are a bit of a bullshit organization.

Redryhno:
I'm just going to try and keep this short, but if you're seriously going to consider anything Polygon has to say of any real significance, then I'll try to remind you that this is the site that has financial ties to Microsoft(hint, hint), and routinely put out videos approaching their "First 30 minutes of Doom" vid that came out last year in terms of incompetence.

And if you continue to defend them, then I really don't see any real reason to really respond, far too much of a waste of my time.

...who's defending them? Outside one guy the running theme of the thread seems to be 'Polygon is bad but they do have a point about Valve being awful too'. If anything the 'defense' is just people having a go at OP for reacting to the article's tone rather than engaging with the points it was trying to make about Valve being god-awful.

Unless this was directed at the one guy, in which case, ignore me.

We've got two pages because of a Polygon article dude. We've had 3 posts in threads on mediocre games turn into scream fests in the last two months alone. There's at least two people that are at least thinking in their minds "Well, it's Polygon, they've run true stories before(that they copied from slightly more reputable sources)". Just because a horribly broken, badly rainbow-painted, gender confused, cuckoo clock is right this time doesn't mean it has any real trust from alot of people. And at least one of those "Alot" is me.

I'm not even saying they're wrong or that Valve cares about me beyond what I can pay them, but they're at least honest about what they want from you. And I'll take that over a piece that just suddenly turned up out of the blue from a news outlet that has ties to a company that is trying to make their operating system less and less accessible for anyone but their pre-approved and rubberstamped programs. Not to mention they sorta rolled out a new update for their newest OS and people have reported some Steam games not functioning properly here and there. Which may just be a coincidence and be a unpackaging fuck-up, I know.

All I'm saying is that best case scenario, they ran out of things to take off social media and turn into a big deal(or overhype a game to the point that nobody has any interest in looking at it), annoying as hell and largely something anyone that uses Steam or has any experience with any company knows already, but whatever, they have no other talents or skills to make a living anyways. Worst case, it's the first in a line of hitpieces.

Either way, I don't particularly think Polygon has much value to me and I don't think they should really have as much of a market share of games "journalism" as they do. Was simply reminding people of instances where they have supremely fucked up if they were on the fence of "What if Polygon knows what they're talking about?".

I think more often then not they do know what they are talking about.

Some people are obsessed with Valve to a truly unhealthy degree, it's beyond disturbing how many fanboys are willing to overlook their many problems, it took years of Total Biscuit and Jim Sterling railing on Valve's terrible decision making before they finally started trying to stop the flood of awful shovelware games. I'm sick of Valve cultists trying to whitewash everything.

Ishigami:
As someone who criticized Valve for Steam since its creation. I read the article and find nothing wrong with it.

The acceptance column hits the nail on the head especially.
Ultimately I too had a choice: Leave large scale PC Gaming or accept Steam.
Back then when I was faced with this choice every new AAA game had a Steam requirement.
Well I still play on PC so yes I too have a Steam library?

Anyway so far everything seems true.

I'd also point out that Steam, back in the day, was worse than Origin or Uplay when it launched. They were first, so they were always going to have the worst version.

OT: Me personally, I've been buying my games elsewhere, like Humble. They usually give way better deals too. I haven't been liking the way Steam has been doing things lately (like years). I don't know how much of a cut Steam gets by purchasing elsewhere like this, but I hope its less than normal. Steam still has the best library function.

As to journalism, all journalists are biased. There is no way not to be biased. It doesn't matter if its FOX news or the NYT. If your offended by the bias, may I suggest that find news from both side of the political spectrum to try to give you a balanced view. If you cant handle one side (left or right), then you are just wanting someone to pander to your biases.

darkrage6:

BabyfartsMcgeezaks:
Whaaat, a multi-billion dollar company doesn't treat me like their friend?

They still beat most if not all digital distribution platforms, they might not be the best company in the world but I've never had real grudges against them.

But if they could release games instead of focusing on selling skins for their 5 to 10 year old games, that'd be great.

Not in terms of customer service, Origin by most accounts is far better in that department then Valve is, plus let's not forget Origin had a refund policy years before Valve did.

I personally like GOG better since all the games you buy there are DRM-free.

Yeah steam support sucks balls, luckily I haven't been in need of it in a decade or so.

Origin does a couple things better but its functionalities and aesthetics are still very lacking compared to steam.

darkrage6:
The key word here is "assume" as in you don't know for a fact, so you're talking nonsense. Polygon actually seems one of the more reasonable gaming sites in terms of being careful not to overhype games to death.

Well i just lost a rather long post by accident.
so i think I'm going to condense this now.

This is illogical
polygon, has set a precedent when they penned that editorial, in which they were willing to attack the consumer and two that they are concerned largely with corporate money.
It takes a special kind of wretch to say that people are wrong for being disappointed with the product they received when it failed to be as advertised and you are one of the people who advertised it.
now assuming, against all reason that they are unlike every other site in the media at large, that they do not subsist on corporate money and click bait. This would not make anysense at all and would speak of great hatred for their consumer base as all whole embedded in the company.
but that's generally impossible and i doubt they directly hate the consumer, it's far more likely that like every publisher and their dog they simply snatched up some money to protect their interests, namely the interests of the corporations they serve to disseminate information for.
Whatever the case is a publication isn't just going to swing around in a year or 3 to favouring the consumer over the people who pay them directly.
Since you brought up gg I will add to that, GG itself only served to force them to have ethics policies and place the fear of god in them not actually have them follow those codes.

Now for a second point I'd like to pull attention to your post wherein you comment because i lack empirical information i am in your own words "talking nonsense". I firmly disagree with that, one can make reasonable assumptions based on what they have seen but to remedy both of our ignorance, i went looking for an old video i watched years ago on the subject.


while inconclusive it is the closest thing to concrete metrics either of us has sought to bring into the conversation up until this point.
We can see a reasonable systems of action and motivation removed from political reasoning. Assuming polygon does had connections with Microsoft, which is very much clear by the start of the video one could assume that it's their best interest to serve as a spin machine for Microsoft given the connection.

We see them breaking their ethical code, attacking the consumer, and we have reason to suspect them of being possibly being biased where possible though the sample size is not definitive. this site, very reasonably has a poor reputation.
even during my original conversation with in which you responded to, the person i was speaking to agreed it was bland.
what more is there to say?

Polygon is another crooked site on the internet, in an age where trust in the media is at an all time low.
it is another brick in the wall.
how sensitive to this you may vary but given that my more common hobby is wargames and miniatures i can see i've rarely seen people as crooked as them. most of what i read wouldn't dream of attacking their reader base.
and historical do not have the marginal utility of games nor the cost wall, though it does have a stepper curve.

I mean, yeah? Hell, I've been unenamored with Steam ever since they gamified spending money during their steam sales. That was garbage, doubly so after gamers figured out how to game that scheme so everybody got a chance at the grand prize and valve stepped in to squash that. Add to that a strong aversion to any sort of accountability whatsoever regarding Greenlight, asset flips, an embarrassingly long run of enabling gambling, and general apathy towards any sort of minimal oversight whatsoever, and we have a company coasting on the evaporating goodwill of decade old games they aren't continuing to make.

To the point where if I buy a PC game anymore, I'd rather it not have a Steam key.

And if your entire rebuttal is "but Polygon" while ignoring everything about Valve? Congratulations, you're everything you hate about the people you don't like.

Silvanus:

Jamcie Kerbizz:

Posting clickbait racist games themed BS to try and bring in audience for ads instead of providing news on games?

If you're trying to insinuate here that advocating diversity is somehow racist, then at least I know I can safely ignore the original post, safe in the knowledge that there wasn't a valid point to be made in it.

Are you trying to ignore the fact that bringing up someone's race and gender and not performance is utter garbage racist and sexist? If so then I can just congratulate you on levels of divisive moral relativism that you achieved and display here.

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