Okay I have a lot to let out of my system so bear with me. Basically the crux of my post is that it's not about the message itself (though that is flawed) but rather who it is that's saying it. Namely the same usual crowd of fascists, they are the same people as from Charlottesville and all points before then.
Also just quickly if you want a quick video summary I recommend the following video as a required viewing:
Again a lot of my points are informed or are better explained in this video so you should watch this if you want better context to the terms I'm using. You should watch it anyway though because Contrapoints is hilarious, I love her work and she's pretty damn informative too.
Just a quick couple of early caveats:
If you'll forgive my quick dip into absurdism. I just wanted to elaborate on a point my fellow filthy SJW Reptilian brethren touched upon.
Whiteness was invented as a way to justify colonial exploitation, slavery, genocide, and so on. Whiteness is not European culture, it's not an attitude of solidarity in response to oppression, it's simply a way to keep the lower classes divided and focused on each other rather than the people at the top laughing all the way to the bank. What is there actually worth redeeming in whiteness? Discard it, if that is possible.
...the fuck is "white"?
For everyone else, it's Europeans.
So, Irish, German, , French, Spanish, Bulgarian, Portuguese, Slavs, Romani, Finns, Welsh, Anglo-Saxons, and Moors are all white? 'Cause, well, your definition only works if you exclude people who've been living in Europe for centuries.
...honestly, not seeing it. Hell, I'm fairly certain I've got basically nothing in common with your average Anglo-Saxon Protestant given I'm a Catholic Serbian mutt whose family moved generationally west over the years.
Or at least, those fuckers had a plenty good time describing how folks like mine were going to subvert western values and destroy America. Because, you know, Eastern Europeans weren't actually white. Until the next batch of immigrants moved in and my folks were able to blend, anyway. Really got to thank both the empty spaces of Minnesota/Wisconsin and the Irish for that one.
So again, as a race, what the fuck is white?
STRAWY THE STRAWMAN: "But wait! Why then is there such a thing as a 'black' identity when there's no such thing as a 'white Identity'. What is the difference?
MANDY McMOUTHPIECE: "Well Strawy that comes down to the fact that, at least as far as the United States is concerned most African Americans are descended from people who were brought there as slaves. Africa much like Europe is not one single nation but rather is built up on many smaller nations, just like a Scott is not the same thing culturally as a Brit, there were and are still many major cultural differences in the various regions of Africa. These topographical and cultural differences of places like Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Ethiopia and Algeria among others each had their own cultures and their own ways of doing things. But then as many thousands of people from Early African nations were bought and sold to white people as slaves and transported to America they were essentially property. They were stripped of whatever cultural heritage they may have had to individual areas of Africa and instead all grouped together as 'Black', as mentioned above the only time European settlers of the United States and Europe as a whole started using the term 'white' rather then just 'Irish' or 'English' or 'French' etc was specifically so that they could both reduce 'black' people to a lower status while elevating themselves to a higher status and using that to justify the atrocities that would befall generations of African slaves.
Moving forward and many generations later these 'blacks' have no idea of their specific nations of origin nor of their cultural practices nor do they have any way to trace their genetic roots. Generations of working alongside white people has eroded their culture significantly and even their genetic makeup has been altered through decades of rape (and consensual sex) at the hands of white people. By the time the slaves were freed and the civil war ended (which is indeed what that war was about! I know, shocking) there was suddenly an entire subset of the American people who could not trace their heritage back to a specific country of origin, rather their entire cultural identity was their skin color. The very thing that had been used to classify the as less then human for so long. Hence why in America it is known as 'Black culture' or the 'Black identity', in lieu of heritage of nation or culture of specific regions it is instead a culture based on a shared identity and shared living experience and that has carried from then all the way to here in 2017.
STRAWY STRAWMAN: Okay that makes sense I guess. But what about white people, why aren't we just referred to as 'white'. Why can't we get our own identity? Is it because of revenge? That's not fair! I'm getting angry now!
MANDY McMOUTHPIECE: Woah there hold your horses buddy. The main reason why we don't really classify whites, at least not to the degree of black people in the US, by skin color is because there is no reason to do so. As mentioned above 'white' is a very innocuous term that can have dozens of meanings. Does it just mean European or does it mean only people of Germanic origin? Australia tried to enact a 'white Australia policy' for several decades and they ran into the same problem of 'how white is white enough and what the hell constitutes 'white' anyway?' Eventually they were forced to forgo the policy altogether in the seventies and just start letting immigrants of all skin colors in.
The fact of the matter is if you wanted to you could probably trace your family origins pretty well couldn't you? Let's say you are an American, where did your great great grandparents come from?
STRAWY STRAWMAN: Oh that's easy. My great great grandmother was Dutch, she settled from Holland in 1912 and my great great grandfather was an Irish immigrant working as a fisherman. They married in the fall of 1914. I guess that makes me... Dutch Irish? But I think really that was over a hundred years ago so I'm just an American.
MANDY McMOUTHPIECE: Exactly, you don't need to identify as 'white' because your heritage wasn't wiped clean from your distant ancestors so that they could make for more effective household property. When you factor in the fact that Black Americans had to deal with segregation, Jim Crow Laws and had to fight every inch for basic civil rights and in the process turn what was once used to marginalize them and turn it into a powerful culture and a statement of their humanity. With that in mind is it truly so hard to understand why so many people can say 'I'm proud to be black?'
STRAWY STRAWMAN: I suppose not, but then why can't I take pride in being white?
MANDY McMOUTHPIECE: In theory there is nothing wrong with that but remember the slavery and slaughter of black Americans was justified in part for several centuries as being because their skin color made them 'inferior'. The idea of a 'White identity' or an identity based solely on the color of one's skin was forged at least in part by white colonials to justify horrific atrocities and crimes and to prop themselves up as 'superior'. Once again in an ideal society no one would use their skin color to define who they are as people, Martin Luther King Jr. himself even said as much. It's just that in the case of Black Americans, they never had a choice. Society stripped them of their country of origin and reduced their whole identity to a skin color. Unlike black Americans, white Americans don't need to define themselves by their skin colors because they still know their countries of origin. And while it might be a sad thing to think about, unfortunately the connotations of the racist double meaning behind 'the white identity' are still there and throughout history they were and still are to this day used to justify racism, oppression and even violent crimes. Even genocide.
STRAWY STRAWMAN: Yikes, that's saddening. I guess I just wish I had my own identity you know? It's great that black Americans have this shared cultural experience and overcame oppression. I wish I had something to take pride in too.
*FASHY SMASHY FASHSIST enters stage right*
FASHEY SMASHY: FAKE NEWS!! The white race is superior, don't listen to this cuck. He's trying to brainwash yoooooou and soon your wife will be having sex with black men! Take pride! Hail trump!.... Pizza gate. Frogs. Frogs everywhere. Give in to your anger! Give in to your hate!
*MANDY throws rock at FASHY SMASHY who promptly runs away*
MANDY McMOUTHPIECE: Away with you! Anyway try to think of it like this, you have a heritage. Few people have had to overcome quite as many forms of adversity as the Irish, google the potato famine for an example of the kinds of things your ancestors had to endure. You have a legacy of two remarkable people who left their country of origin to find a new life in America and succeeded. You have the legacy of dreamers who managed to make a home for themselves in America and that is a legacy to be proud of. You don't need to define yourself by your skin color. Hell you don't even need to define yourself by your ancestors country of origin. You can define yourself however you want. Perhaps instead of thinking about your identity in the context of the past, try to create a brand new one. Just remember that while there may sometimes SEEM to be double standards in how we respond to one culture or another it probably doesn't mean there is a conspiracy against white people, these issues are deep and complex and require a lot of research and understanding. And remember people like Fashy Smashy want you to be angry and make assumptions so you should always take the time to google and understand all points of view BEFFORE deciding on the truth. Just remember just because something seems like a double standard on the surface doesn't mean it always is.
STRAWY STRAWMAN: Golly gee I never thought of it like that, thanks Mandy McMouthpiece!
MANDY McMOUTHPIECE: No problem.
*Mandy and Strawy hug and go to exit stage left but are plowed over by Fashy Smashy's deadly Meme-Mobile*
FASHY SMASHY: Hahahahahahah! Take that liberal cucks!
AUDIENCE: Hilarious JOKE! Stupid SJW?s trying to bully us and tell us what do! They?re the real fascists!
FASHY SMASHY: Damn right?. Now about that Jewish Question?
AUDIENCE: You validate our anger so let's listen to you!
*Curtains fall while Springtime for Hitler plays*
Oh Zontar I have watched you from afar for quite a while now. You continue to fascinate me. I'm not going to talk about the other stuff you bring up because A. I think I've covered my point fairly conclusively already and B. I don't have twenty years to spare.
But I am fascinated by one continuous thread of hypocrisy I find from you and the right in general in relation to political violence. You constantly say 'the left is too violent, the left is too extreme and it's driving people right', by implication arguing that the new rise of fascism is the fault of the left for being too extreme and that 'Antifa' thugs need to be defeated and will at the hands of glorious president Trump.
You say all these things and yet when I look at the news I consistently see stories like this:
Yeah I know 'fake news' but honestly its a pretty comprehensive list of some extremely violent and biogted sentiment surrounding American right wing politics and Trump in particular. To say nothing of Dylann Roof, the Quebec Shooter and the Charlottesville Nazis. (on both sides remember, the people who got hit by the car are equally as culpable as the guy who ran them over). I see this violence, I see it getting dismissed, I see the people in the Alt Right gloating about it and rubbing it into people's faces. After Heather Heyer died there were a lot of digusting posts calling her a fat skank, trying to argue she died of a heart attack as a way to shift blame. (It was blunt force trauma: http://www.newsweek.com/charlottesville-heather-heyers-cause-death-revealed-medical-report-686471) insulted her directly and gloated about the fact that she was dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20170814185757/https://www.dailystormer.com/heather-heyer-woman-killed-in-road-rage-incident-was-a-fat-childless-32-year-old-slut/ and some even going so low as to suggest sending protestors to her funeral to harass her family (oh hi Gamergate alumni Weev, fancy seeing you here) https://imgur.com/a/dsAVZ
I guess my question to you, Zontar is how come any and all violence on the right isn't a big deal and is solely the fault of leftists and no one else but I, as a leftist, can't suggest that maybe the only reason there is all this violent 'antifa' crap out there right now *might* just be a response to violent Trump loving zealots and white supremacists terrorizing neighborhoods and smugly gloating while people's lives are destroyed by horrific policies and mocking innocent people who die trying to protest them?
Why does the right get a free pass but the left doesn't? If you would like to surprise me I'd like a straight answer as to why all of the violence and the smug gloating in the face of this violence, to say nothing of the racist misogynistic and homophobic shit is okay but any leftist who so much as raises a fist to any of it is the devil incarnate? I'm sure you'll scream fake news but hey you might surprise me.
Also how come in two posts you have described the left as simultaneously a giant terrifying mass that you are bravely opposing and also a pathetically weak and futile enemy that can't possibly fight your noble might? How can they be both at once? Or is this Schrodinger's Leftist again?
Oh and if you're looking for an example of white privilege being able to smugly meme and joke about people getting their lives torn apart by cruel immigration laws or women with their backs to the wall because they may no longer have the right to an abortion or transpeople being kicked out of the military because you know it won't effect you and you can make up any bullshit conspiracy story you want to justify it? That's like sooooo much privilege.
Also the fact that a Muslim man killing six people causes the President to flip out and demand laws for stronger immigration against all Muslim brown people while two white guys within only about a month of each other have killed a combined 87 people or so prompts to response at all even though all democrats want is gun control and the notion of.... I dunno.... limitation on white guys as a concept isn't even discussed.
Or the fact that the guy who killed Heather Heyer might be facing less prison time then the protestors who smashed six windows?
Yeah the world's totally anti white. Your so clever to see it.
Remember when Black Lives Matter first started? Remember how those who were against the movement were told that if they had a problem with the phrase then they must be racist against blacks? Does the same logic apply here?
Okay, see if you can follow me on this.
The reason why the group became known as 'Black Lives Matter' got the name it did was NOT because the full statement was 'Only black lives matter and white people must all die and burn in Hell'. The term originated because of two important things, number one that black people are regularly unfairly and maligned and stereotyped by the media and are on the recieving end of disproportionate amounts of police scrutiny and police violence to the point where 'having to know what to say if a policeman approaches you and how to move to avoid getting shot' is something they have to teach ten year olds in predominantly black schools. Literally black people have genuine reason to fear death in a scenario where most average white people might at worst face a fine. The killings of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown cannot be justified in my opinion, no matter what people might say.
Now people on the far right try to talk about racial crime statistics and stuff like that as a smokescreen but it does not change the fact that in the United States of America the constant fear of police brutality and gun violence is always at the backs of the minds of many black people, especially young black men.
The OTHER reason it was dubbed 'Black Lives Matter' which I'm annoyed more people don't bring up is the fact that when these shootings take place the police officers involved have a habit of not getting punished. Instead they go unpunished and get away. Zimmerman was one example that caused a LOT of anger but there have been others. Sometimes its justified with arguments about the supposed correlation of violence in black communities, sometimes the deceased is labelled as a 'thug' in media and sometimes its just treated as a whoopsy daisy and never talked about again. At worst the cop might get a slap on the wrist. Now obviously this is hardly universal but it happens enough times to cause major upsets and levels of distrust between African American citizens and the people who are ostensibly supposed to be protecting them.
And that's at the core of it. Not only do black people die unjustly with alarming frequency at police hands but when it happens over and over again its not treated the way it should be, a serious crime. Because that wasn't a whoopsy daisy, that was someone's son, brother, best friend or boyfriend. That wasn't just a mistake, that was a human being who died and left an entire community heartbroken in their wake. Black Lives Matter was founded on the idea that their lives should be worth more then a shrug and 'oh well', that literally American society should place more value on a black person's life then they do some trigger happy cop's reputation. Just like they would, and do, on the occasions where a white person gets unjustly gunned down.
Again make up any excuse about gun crime statistics and race as you want but when a black man can get killed for moving too quickly while following police instructions of exiting his freaking vehicle that's all a moot point. Especially if in many cases the police officer can sleep comfortably knowing they probably won't face any consequences for it.
Bearing that in mind maybe the slogan should have been 'Black Lives Matter too' or ironically 'all lives matter' just to clarify to uncertain whites that being upset about how black people are treated by the police in America isn't a comment against white people in general. But honestly maybe they just expected white people to look at the situation honestly, listen to their complaints, take note of it and maybe I dunno read between the lines and see what 'Black Lives Matter' actually means in context? Because adding shit like 'Black Lives Matter and white people do as well, can't forget the white people, wouldn't wanna risk offending them.' or 'All Lives Matter' just dilutes the message. Because maybe, just maybe the message that 'Black Lives Matter' should be enough and we shouldn't need to bend over backwards to add caveats about 'oh and white people do as well' when the entire god damn focus is on the lived experiences of the black people to whom this issue effects! White people shouldn't need to have their name mentioned to understand and care about issues and Black people shouldn't have to constantly stop what they are saying just to assure the white people who aren't gunning down black people in stop and frisks that they don't mean to offend them. That should go without saying. Just like sometimes men who support women's rights should really practice what they preach and just shut up on occasion to let women's voices actually be heard because even though their support should be welcomed the movement is not about them and maybe that's okay.
A lot of the time when I see people saying 'shouldn't it be all lives matter' all I see really is 'I don't like the fact that I'm not being mentioned! Everything is about me! How dare black people talk about life experiences that effect them without doing so in a way that accommodates me!'
Now Black Lives Matter is far from perfect, there are many flaws and lots of times where they have gotten violent and aggressive and even kind of separatist which is not helpful. Yes there are some anti white elements sprinkled in there by more extreme members but you know what? This comes from decades of anger at being treated like second class citizens, feared, marginalized and targeted by police brutality and constantly being told that literally their lives are worth less then the reputations of the people who leave them in this constant state of fear.
(some people will no doubt bring up those black teenagers who kidnapped and tortured a white kid and filmed it saying 'fuck Donald Trump', you know those awful shitty excuses for human beings who were actually punished? I will ask you in turn to google the time a black kid was raped with a coathanger by a group of white footballers in a shower. Those footballers only punishment was probation and a judge arguing that they shouldn't have to suffer the consequences of being a registered sex offender: http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/football-player-hanger-assault-avoid-prison_us_585ac1d0e4b0eb586484dd02 again, not just about crime but how that crime is punished and what it says about American society is at the core of Black Lives Matter)
Meanwhile the Alt Right, who are 100% the people behind this little stunt, make no mistake, manage to radicalize young white guys into forming Nazi parties, militias, torch wielding mobs and yes even violent gun and car murderers over, among other things, the rise of 'PC culture' and 'safe spaces' and imaginary 'global discrimination of white people' because they are just now starting to realize that the world does not actually revolve around them.
I don't support violence on either side but at least one side is dealing with real world problems not fantasy pizzagate erotic fanfiction.
*Wipes tears away from eyes while laughing*
I know man it's hilarious right? I tell you what it's almost as funny as that hilarious and wacky prank of when that guy brilliantly rammed his car into a crowd of counter protestors and injured dozens and killed a woman. Oh man comedy genius I tell you those stupid liberal snowflakes were so fucking triggered at that woman's funeral, they couldn't stop crying! It was sooooo funny.
For real though dude it's the same group of people. The same people who are responsible for the atrocities in Charlottesville and for people like Dylan Roof, the Quebec shooter and many others past, present and oh yes future, getting inspired to do yet more brilliantly edgy antics. Man remember when ol' Dylan just memed the hell out of those black churchgoers. Man he really showed the liberal cucks that day!
It starts as jokes or innocuous phrases and once they start to reel people in it becomes much more then that and eventually it all leads the same way.
People aren't getting angry at this shit because they hate white people or because they're easily triggered or anything like that. They are angry at this because they know exactly where this shit came from. That's why they are angry. Because more and more people on the left are having to recognize fascist dog whistles as what they are and after Charlottesville which is still fresh in a lot of people's minds it makes them angry. You aren't an idiot, you know that.
People aren't refusing to tolerate this because they hate white people, they hate it because they know this is fascism's new way of trying to slip into ordinary discourse and they don't want to allow it.
You wanna inspire and empower the people who killed Heather Heyer, the people in that black church and who want to see many more people die in the near future? You want to laugh and meme on as the next inevitable lunatic kills the next Heather Heyer or shoots up a sidewalk or plows into a Muslim screaming 'they all must die'? You be my guest dude.
Just don't for one second pretend you are doing anything else.
A klan backed openly racist misogynistic cheeto has managed to pussy grab his way into office and his disgusting white supremacist supporters have stopped hiding in the shadows and now feel emboldened to go out into the streets armed to the teeth to protest, to commit hate crimes and yes to kill. Recently a large number of white nationalists screaming 'white pride' and 'blood and soil' cemented the idea of 'white identity' pretty strongly in the eyes of the world by terrorizing people and performing multiple acts of violence.
Before all of that however, it began with innocent seeming memes specifically designed to appeal to disgruntled angry young white people. From places like 4Chan.
After Charlottesville fascists deliberately attempted to distance themselves from the image above and try to rebrand themselves in a more friendly light. To whit they have ditched all the Nazi stuff (on the surface) and now present everyone with the question 'Gosh guys it's sure nice to be white' in a very deliberate effort to provoke an angered response because like I mentioned above people are catching on. And once again the genesis of this little stunt came from places on the internet like 4Chan.
If anyone actually understood what these words mean, they'd immediately realize this was a harmless act.
I do. And that's why I disagree.
I see a deliberate attempt to rile up liberals using propaganda that's just innocent enough sounding that even though people
on the left who have to deal with fascist rhetoric on a daily basis can recognize it as such straight away, the average white person might not. And then before liberals even have a chance to explain their position (because you know the nuance and complexity of these issues is hard to explain in quick conversation, as is the case with nearly every political issue in the world) the Alt right can water this down into bite sized digestible chunks of 'OMG SEE?! The Libruls hate whites!!! They don't want us whites to have our own identity! We aren't safe! LIBERAL SCUM LIBERAL SCUM!' then any white people who are convinced join to their side do so and then it goes from 'why can't white people be allowed to be proud of ourselves' to 'why can't white people have our own homeland not shared with others?' then it becomes 'Diversity is code for ANTI WHITE' and 'MUSLIMS ARE THE REAL THREAT!' and so on. Eventually 'edge' is encouraged as jokes and memes get much worse. What may have started as just a joke gets more and more real the more isolated and radicalized these groups get and what may have started as jokes at the expense of oversensitive 'SJW's' become sincerely held beliefs and soon there's another Charlottesville and another Heather Heyer. And that's to say nothing of if they manage to elect a candidate who follows their views politically and can actually make some of their worst ideas come true. If that day comes expect any talk of 'peaceful relocation of non whites from our new homeland' to just become 'send 'em to the gas chambers!'
Do I sound paranoid? Hell yes. I am paranoid. That's a consequence of the constant gaslighting and fear mongering that groups like this employ. They start with jokes and eventually through radicalization we get people like the hilarious shitposter in his wacky mememobile or lovable scamp Dylan Roof killing people. This isn't based on speculation, this is based on observation of things that HAVE occurred. Very recently. And believe it or not this is how Nazism was able to grab its stranglehold on Germany. Hitler didn't start by saying 'Fuck all the Jews let's kill them all' he started much more slowly then that.
I'm sure people will look at this post and say 'hah look at this triggered liberal, he's being so paranoid and hyperbolic' (but Pizzagate is totes real right guys?) but frankly we can't keep pretending that online behavior doesn't correspond to the real world. Elliot Rodger was just some woman hating loser who couldn't get laid once upon a time but he found his gross little online niche circle and eventually he went out and actually killed people and now there are new gross misogynistic creeps who can't get laid who worship him as 'Saint Elliot' and try to convince other lonely confused virgin men to join their disgusting echo chamber. How long until one of the proud and growing 'Incels' community actually goes out and does another massacre, inspired by the rhetoric they inspire themselves by. Especially since earlier this year one of them proudly admitted to raping a girl who was passed out drunk at a party, that day may come very soon.
Dylan Roof was just a lonely skinny pasty little man child but thanks to fascism and online rhetoric he found his own niche and went out and massacred nine people in a Church and now we have the Charlottesville Nazi's surrounding and menacing people with torches and again ramming their vehicles into people and killing them. Even here in my home country of Australia I see the shit posted under every new One nation video or article and I just think 'it can't happen here' but I know in my heart it can. It can happen anywhere.
So hell yes I'm scared.
And I'm a WHITE STRAIGHT MAN. I'm just burdened by empathy for people who don't look like me and understand that not every political issue needs to involve me or even reference me directly for it to be one that I worry about.
Again the words themselves 'It's okay to be white' are fairly innocuous and innocent and were they by themselves I would agree that liberals are overeacting (though I would argue this is a lose/lose situation, either you challenge them and give them what they want or you don't challenge them and invite fascist rhetoric into your school) but those words 'Context' and 'Implication' that you brought up? The current unstable political environment we are in? THAT'S the damn context! And where it led last time and where it WILL lead again is the 'implication'
I might have the wrong info on it, but apperantly 4chan started a very hilarious kind of trolling, promoting putting signs with the most inoffensive sentence possible "It's Okay to Be White". The idea is that the current political climate even that sort of inoffensiveness is akin to white supermacy.
Because it is. You know it is.
As a side note guys. I'm Australian. I'd love nothing more then to not have to think about any of this and be in me Holden and drink me VB and dodge dropbear attacks but I still have to be here and calling this shit out because I can't let ignorance stand. Also I am not a native to your country but I learned so much about the historical context surrounding these issues with a simple ten minute google search, really what is your excuse?