The censorship of the Elin in Tera has become ridiculous at this point.

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In a way, it was to begin with. Giving one region a different version of the game. It was like Hirada with Tekken, "this is what you Westerners like" kind of move. Nobody was going to take them to court over a few lolis in those outfits. And the decision didn't bring many customers to the game, I'm sure.

The Fate of Arun is here, and the "censorship" is still left intact. Depending on your definition of the word censorship. It was poor choice, especially considering what they're doing now.

Not that it's great. The whole "bikini armor" thing, for any race. But their reasons seem ridiculous and hypocritical now. Because all of these costumes they've been giving to races like the Elin are much more skimpy than the armors that were censored. In multiple costumes

Aside from being glitchy, the boyshorts really aren't that good. They weren't as well designed as the original armors.

And they even still claim that putting the original costumes back in, is a bannable offense. To me, that's ridiculous. And it would take them literally no time to put the old ones back in, or give players a slider. It's almost as if their current business strategy is to hide skimpy outfits behind a paywall.

This topic isn't to say that Tera needs a bunch of scantily clad lolis. Or a scantitly clad anyone. But En Masse and Bluefrog seem really hypocritical at this point to have censored them then, only to sell players practically naked Elin armors for like $10.

Did they not know when they localized it, that Bluehole Studio was going to make a bunch of practically naked Elin costumes? Their idea is bizarre and inconsistent at this point. They really should have kept up the censorship, or dropped it altogether.

What motivation do En Masse and others have to do this now? Has this become a pay-to-porn game?

On the positive side, the new content is pretty good. Though I don't know how Tera will be able to keep up in an evolving MMORPG industry. Black Desert is a better game in almost every way than Tera. And Scarlet Blade has it beat in the "pornygame" appeal.

I wouldn't recommend against not trying Fate of Arun, though. It's not bad.

I think you have a wrong definition of censorship.

Maybe so. Words evolve, really.

More like self-censorship.
It's been commonly called "censorship". So I'm parroting other people's usage of the term.

What reason did they give? As I'm sure that the more 'sexy' costumes for the loli's break the law in some western countries.

I really really want video games to be free of this new-age pc bullshit. If anyone sees that as *real* issues and not force fed by various ludicrous groups and wannabe organizations, I really and honestly cannot take that person seriously

Just popped in to see if this is continuing the trend of gamers misusing the word censorship to refer to trivial decisions made by a company regarding their own product. Yep, everything's in order here. Carry on.

Paywalls are a pretty annoying practice though, especially for an mmo that (presumably?) already has a subscription model.

Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

Not sure why the developers decided to censor the race outfits, they should stop listening to SJWs who probably had no plans to play it anyway.

For the record, the 'censorship' here is actual censorship. As in censorship of risque material. An in game race modeled after little/young girls had its costume options limited in the western versions, to avoid problems.

The issue this topic brings up, is that over time, premium alternate armours have been introduced which are comparable if not worse than the original armours. Which creates a situation where it calls for the question 'why did the bother initially'.

So yes, this is actual censorship, not just poorly used or worded silliness. A female character has more clothing than her counterparts, based on western attitudes towards sexuality and sexualization of young girls bodies.

Elijin:
For the record, the 'censorship' here is actual censorship. As in censorship of risque material. An in game race modeled after little/young girls had its costume options limited in the western versions, to avoid problems.

The issue this topic brings up, is that over time, premium alternate armours have been introduced which are comparable if not worse than the original armours. Which creates a situation where it calls for the question 'why did the bother initially'.

So yes, this is actual censorship, not just poorly used or worded silliness. A female character has more clothing than her counterparts, based on western attitudes towards sexuality and sexualization of young girls bodies.

Wrong.
Unless you have proof of an outside legal force refusing to allow them to launch (such as a governing body or court of law) then this is self-censorship by definition.

On topic: Meh, couldn't really care less since they aren't the ones getting the arcane engineer class....currently.

Actually its a case of a private organisation engaging in censorship.

The fact they're the owners of the content they're censoring, doesnt magically stop it from being censorship.

If you're going to be silly about what 'censorship' is defined as, you should probably at least get it right.

CommanderZx2:
Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120501082555/t__/tera/images/4/4a/Elintrans.png No that's a loli.

Cazboab:

CommanderZx2:
Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120501082555/t__/tera/images/4/4a/Elintrans.png No that's a loli.

Nice try, but deliberately leaving out the rest of my post in your quote, does not make your reply true.

What is it with the lolicons still trying to make this thing happen? Enjoy the game and send them a petition if you want to play that way or join East Asian servers, otherwise the horse is still dead on this topic.

So basically your complaint is that you're not getting your recommended daily dose of pseudo-jailbait?

Is this a thing?

CommanderZx2:

Cazboab:

CommanderZx2:
Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures.

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120501082555/t__/tera/images/4/4a/Elintrans.png No that's a loli.

Nice try, but deliberately leaving out the rest of my post in your quote, does not make your reply true.

Okay fair point:

CommanderZx2:

That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141203075836/creepypasta/images/3/3c/Movie-the-hobbit_002130021.jpeg Not a loli.

The Elim are *all* styled after adolescent females, hobbits have males, and and display a variety of ages and developmental stages, as such the Elim as a race can be considered lolis were hobbits cannot, individual hobbits, were they depicted as sexualised adolescents could be considered lolis, but they are not a race of lolis.

CommanderZx2:
Not sure why the developers decided to censor the race outfits, they should stop listening to SJWs who probably had no plans to play it anyway.

the developers likely censored it in the west due to bills that were being passed in various European parliaments that would criminalise the sexualised depiction of minors in artificially created forms (e.g. drawings, animation and videogames)- its just easier for them to cover up the thongs on the lolis in the west than risk criminal proceedings.

Cazboab:

CommanderZx2:
Not sure why the developers decided to censor the race outfits, they should stop listening to SJWs who probably had no plans to play it anyway.

the developers likely censored it in the west due to bills that were being passed in various European parliaments that would criminalise the sexualised depiction of minors in artificially created forms (e.g. drawings, animation and videogames)- its just easier for them to cover up the thongs on the lolis in the west than risk criminal proceedings.

If what I learned from Google is to be believed, I think the problem might be the sheer inconsistency of it. The outfit edits supposedly only apply to player controlled Elin and not NPCs, and paywall outfits are apparently not altered at all.

Despite this tread devolving into everyone bitching about the definition of a word, I do think the OP has a pretty fair point.

I play TERA and honestly, the Elin costumes you can buy are way more revealing than the default Korean armors (which you can patch if you're really adamant about it). In that respect I agree with OP. Why did they bother changing the armors in the first place just to release different Elin swimsuits every summer? I remember several articles complaining about the Elin upon the game's release around the web. Was it pressure from the gaming press?

I guess no one cares about the game now so they can do whatever they want.

Elijin:
Actually its a case of a private organisation engaging in censorship.

The fact they're the owners of the content they're censoring, doesnt magically stop it from being censorship.

If you're going to be silly about what 'censorship' is defined as, you should probably at least get it right.

So every time I'm writing, I have an idea, I put it down, I look at it then I go "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!" change it because I think it was a horrible idea, that's censorship?

If so, writers and authors censor themselves...daily.

Asita:

Cazboab:

CommanderZx2:
Not sure why the developers decided to censor the race outfits, they should stop listening to SJWs who probably had no plans to play it anyway.

the developers likely censored it in the west due to bills that were being passed in various European parliaments that would criminalise the sexualised depiction of minors in artificially created forms (e.g. drawings, animation and videogames)- its just easier for them to cover up the thongs on the lolis in the west than risk criminal proceedings.

If what I learned from Google is to be believed, I think the problem might be the sheer inconsistency of it. The outfit edits supposedly only apply to player controlled Elin and not NPCs, and paywall outfits are apparently not altered at all.

Regardless if they're lolis or not, if true, that's just bloody stupid and/or a cynical cash grab. I mean in theory the situation could have changed where the devs thought it was okay to put that content in again, but then regardless of whether it is okay or not, having it behind a paywall is just a bit mercenary, and in the end it looks like to me like they're saying "we know a lot of folk don't like this, but if you do, and you give us enough money you can look at loli panties"

I had the over under for the first appearance of "SJW" in this thread at "3", and was disappointed to see it take as long as 7. Come on guys, get on point.

So if I understand correctly, someone at Bluehole Studio had a moment of clarity and realized they had a race of 85% naked children running around in their MMO, recommended covering them up, only for someone else to turn around and sell even more revealing bikinis as DLC? Is that right? I have to hand it to TERA, that game never fails to entertain, even if it's usually for the wrong reasons.

CommanderZx2:
Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

Well, that's...an argument, to be sure. Here, let's take a look.

Let's play spot the difference!

Bluehole Studio can do whatever they want with the game, and I'm sure just playing it isn't going to land anyone on a government watch list, but let's call a spade a spade and a loli a loli, so we don't all look like we're engaged in hysterical rationalization.

BloatedGuppy:
I had the over under for the first appearance of "SJW" in this thread at "3", and was disappointed to see it take as long as 7. Come on guys, get on point.

So if I understand correctly, someone at Bluehole Studio had a moment of clarity and realized they had a race of 85% naked children running around in their MMO, recommended covering them up, only for someone else to turn around and sell even more revealing bikinis as DLC? Is that right? I have to hand it to TERA, that game never fails to entertain, even if it's usually for the wrong reasons.

CommanderZx2:
Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

Well, that's...an argument, to be sure. Here, let's take a look.

Let's play spot the difference!

Bluehole Studio can do whatever they want with the game, and I'm sure just playing it isn't going to land anyone on a government watch list, but let's call a spade a spade and a loli a loli, so we don't all look like we're engaged in hysterical rationalization.

I was going to cite CommanderZx2's post as the most disingenuous Escapist comment of the week, a very hard achievement to reach indeed.

A quick Google search for elin tera reveals that they can't really be compared to any species played by Martin Freeman. :P

BloatedGuppy:
I had the over under for the first appearance of "SJW" in this thread at "3", and was disappointed to see it take as long as 7. Come on guys, get on point.

So if I understand correctly, someone at Bluehole Studio had a moment of clarity and realized they had a race of 85% naked children running around in their MMO, recommended covering them up, only for someone else to turn around and sell even more revealing bikinis as DLC? Is that right? I have to hand it to TERA, that game never fails to entertain, even if it's usually for the wrong reasons.

CommanderZx2:
Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

Well, that's...an argument, to be sure. Here, let's take a look.

Let's play spot the difference!

Bluehole Studio can do whatever they want with the game, and I'm sure just playing it isn't going to land anyone on a government watch list, but let's call a spade a spade and a loli a loli, so we don't all look like we're engaged in hysterical rationalization.

Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.
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Azure23:
Just popped in to see if this is continuing the trend of gamers misusing the word censorship to refer to trivial decisions made by a company regarding their own product. Yep, everything's in order here. Carry on.

Paywalls are a pretty annoying practice though, especially for an mmo that (presumably?) already has a subscription model.

Just a heads up, using the word censorship to refer to "trivial decisions" is actually correct, also self-censorship is a word and means "The exercising of control over what one says and does, especially to avoid criticism".

etna is a loli and she's a 1000 year old demon so race is meaningless

Reed Spacer:
So basically your complaint is that you're not getting your recommended daily dose of pseudo-jailbait?

Is this a thing?

From what I can decipher (I don't play tera), they made the standard outfits outside of certain regions less revealing like this

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then proceeded to threaten that patching the standard ones in would be a bannable offense and then turned around and sell practically naked elin outfits (can't find images of the specific ones nor do I really want to search...) as paid for content.

CommanderZx2:
Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.
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...And? Aren't Frodo and Mary/Pippin supposed to be young? Wouldn't looking at the explicitly younger members of a race to prove that the entire race is composed of lolis be cherry picking? You'll notice that when they aren't children, Hobbit's don't actually look like children, whereas... do the Elin ever look older than children?

CommanderZx2:
Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

If that was the best rebuttal to "cherry picking" you could muster than I'm half convinced you're trying to make my argument for me. Well done!

*shrugs*

It's there game and they can change the look of the armor how every they want, and add things like that if they so choose.

I just know I'm kinda pissed about all the Reaper 'armor' (IE the dresses you see them in in the promo pic for em) are locked behind a stupid grind wall for some 'fashion tickets' -.-

It'd piss me off less if the armor they got didn't look like utter ass, but ....

BloatedGuppy:

CommanderZx2:
Got to love it when people cherry pick, I too can play this game.

If that was the best rebuttal to "cherry picking" you could muster than I'm half convinced you're trying to make my argument for me. Well done!

Elijah Wood is a loli.

But to be honest, if you wanted to demonstrate that hobbits exhibit the same characteristics as Elin (oversized eyes, waifish frames, etc.) there's a way better example:

so, am I the only person left on earth who doesn't just blatantly judge people based on their tastes? like I don't get the appeal of loli but apparently everyone else does, what's wrong with having a loli character in a game? I won't play as them, personally I always prefer women over girls i like curves, hips and chest are a must. But I don't see loli as particularly distasteful either, there are fully grown 20-30 yr old asian women who look loli as hell.

As for the topic at hand. it seems to me like yeah they thought maybe people would find it distasteful and lets be honest we westerners are pretty silly in alot of our views on sexuality. i mean did you see the shit fit people threw over a cat girl in tekken? but then hey they gave people the option of buying it for their character if they CHOOSE to partake. this is whats killing the current debate on all this type of BS. just because something exists doesn't mean it is literally oppressing you by being a thing. like that spiderwoman cover it was a variant meaning only those who wanted it and sought it out would ever see it. I don't care what your personal opinion on.. well almost anything... is, unless you are being force ably subjected to it with no alternative shut up. just because someone else likes the way a suit of armor looks on their character and they might walk past you in the game wearing something you find objectionable doesn't mean anything. saying "that's too loli" is no different than saying "i don't care for that color scheme." get over yourself.

erttheking:

Elijin:
Actually its a case of a private organisation engaging in censorship.

The fact they're the owners of the content they're censoring, doesnt magically stop it from being censorship.

If you're going to be silly about what 'censorship' is defined as, you should probably at least get it right.

So every time I'm writing, I have an idea, I put it down, I look at it then I go "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!" change it because I think it was a horrible idea, that's censorship?

If so, writers and authors censor themselves...daily.

You're an individual. An individual self-censors.

A Government or organisation (such as a corporation) censors.

Especially since you know, in this case they totally went through with the original design on the original servers, and changed the content for western servers because they thought it was too risque and would attract trouble.

Elijin:

erttheking:

Elijin:
Actually its a case of a private organisation engaging in censorship.

The fact they're the owners of the content they're censoring, doesnt magically stop it from being censorship.

If you're going to be silly about what 'censorship' is defined as, you should probably at least get it right.

So every time I'm writing, I have an idea, I put it down, I look at it then I go "WHAT THE HELL WAS I THINKING!" change it because I think it was a horrible idea, that's censorship?

If so, writers and authors censor themselves...daily.

You're an individual. An individual self-censors.

A Government or organisation (such as a corporation) censors.

Especially since you know, in this case they totally went through with the original design on the original servers, and changed the content for western servers because they thought it was too risque and would attract trouble.

And did doesn't count as self-censorship when they do it to themselves because...there's more than one person? Really it just seems like hair splitting.

That's called modifying your work for a different audience. People do it all the time, because when you step out of your comfort zone and are speaking to a new audience you can't just do whatever the hell you want. I just got done taking a class on Rhetoric and one of the things we talked about was how you had to change your writing to overcome cultural barriers. Example. When Dunken Donuts first expanded to China, they just everything they way they had done in America, selling the same foods. They failed miserably. Then they tried again, adjusting the store to fit China and selling foods more commonly seen in China. Then things worked properly. Same concept.

Really don't see what's so horrible about this. This wasn't exactly forced on them.

EDIT: OT: I'm starting to feel like censored is going to have to join entitled and causal in the list of words the internet completely ruined.

I have never played Tera, but if I was considering it the Elin would make me think twice about it, I find them that unpleasant to look at.

CommanderZx2:
Technically speaking these are not lolis as you put it, they're just a small race of creatures. That's like saying hobbits are loli, because they are small creatures therefore they must be children.

I don't agree with you. Lidda from Dungeons and Dragons is short, but she is still obviously an adult. Anna Maria Marconi from Superior Spider-Man is short, but she is still obviously an adult. These have faces like children's faces, and that's skeevy as hell.

Lets run down a list.

Does the content exist in the finished product, in regions which are not subject to this 'censorship'? Yes. Therefore we can conclude it isnt someone simply deciding the content doesnt fit the finished product.

Is the content legally obtainable within the region it is restricted? No.

Is the content considered risque, unacceptable or objectionable by the region where it is being restricted? Yes. Im sure there are some who will argue for the side of lolis, but as a general rule we dont like it in western society.

Are there penalties in place for people who choose to circumvent this restriction? Apparently bans are handed out, or at the very least threatened, Im not a Tera player.

Sounds like censorship to me. Content which is within or intended to be within the finished product, but due to societal or political sensitivity has been cut or changed, and not made obtainable within that market, while still freely existing in its original form in other free markets.

This would be the same as arguing that prior to recent addition of R18+ rating in Australia, that games who elected to release a toned down less violent version are not censored versions. Im not talking the companies who submitted and failed to pass classification, Im talking the companies who made a product and went "Man, that content will cause issues if submitted, lets cut or change it to save time and hassle with changing it later anyway."

And to once again address the actual topic at hand, all this censorship is a moot point, as later introduced premium cosmetic content achieves the same thing, and is freely available for purchase.

The double standards of continuing to enforce the original restriction is the OPs concern.

sanquin:
What reason did they give? As I'm sure that the more 'sexy' costumes for the loli's break the law in some western countries.

They don't break the law that I'm aware. And that wasn't given as one of the reasons.
If they were, they would be in trouble at this very moment. Because the costumes that can be worn, are much, much showier than the armors commonly referred to as "censored".

This video describes a lot of what happened, kind of. He quotes what Frogster said on the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO26h9etTbw

En Masse stayed pretty much silent on the matter. But Frogster, who as far as I'm aware worked together worked with En Masse on some level, if only minor. The reasoning was apparently that they claimed that they were afraid that activist groups would be outraged and cause problems for them. En Masse and Frogster appear to share the same opinions. And they've both ended up doing the same things, in the end. Though En Masse did not speak to their opinions as much as Frogster did.

To be honest, the game in general is way too skimpy and tasteless. And the Elin can be even further over the edge for people, considering.. how.. err... young they look. Very few adult women would look like that without a lot of cosmetic surgery. But the boyshorts they got replaced with aren't exactly a big improvement. And like with Scarlet Blade, most players knew what they were getting into, and that Tera was a highly sexualized game.

And they simply look hypocritical now that the servers are filled with almost totally naked Elins in what look like microbikini cash shop items. But both En Masse and Frogster seemed to have had moral problems with the outfits in the beginning.

To be honest, I think that MMORPGs should stop this bikini armor thing, though.

But the hypocrisy here also bother me.
If they cared about morals, awesome, they should have given the Elin, and even more races, awesome, badass armor that covers their bodies like armor normally should. Not exchange their original outfits for booty shorts, acting like they have a moral high ground, and then turn around and sell Elin microbikinis on a cash shop.

I don't believe their claims of moral high ground when they told Bluehole to make boyshorts for them. When they're selling microbikinis for cash money.

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