Universal Porn Filter Coming to the U.K.

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vallorn:

Irridium:
Isn't Cameron the guy who's butchering the UK's health system (NHS, I believe it's called) and who is also cutting funding for schools?

How the hell can he possibly say he's protecting the children with a straight face?

Except neither of those are true. The NHS hasn't suffered any budget cuts under this government (On the contrary actually) and the Education Secretary is working on reforming the school system to allow for more parent choice as well as removing money from bureaucrats and giving it directly to the schools themselves.

Really? Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Well the NHS has been restructured with more emphasis on private contractors.

Adam Jensen:

Deshara:
PORNOGRAPHY IS RUINING OUR CHILDREN!!

That's actually true. Porn addiction is a real thing. And every study about porn users so far had revealed that it can be quite damaging. I will refer you to this set of videos titled "Your brain on porn". It's very interesting and educational. And it will change your perspective on porn.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS9vumF6JMU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxrG6QZ-G0M
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOsF81sC4vo
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwIrmF1Z6k
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgUzACfTHI
Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQQRHdPri2s

Even though I don't like censorship, this isn't actually a bad thing.

Yes it is a bad thing, no it didn't change my perspective and if you're the type of person that accepts censorship because of one video series, you're a very, very silly fellow.

OT:
I would thank something or other that I don't live in the UK, but I know this type of crap will start spreading. Hopefully the UK will realize just how pointless it is and give up before really enforcing it.

And to think, not less than 70 years Britain was the last bastion against Fascism in Europe...

I like how many people are saying the conservatives are supposed to be for small government... newsflash people, the only things the big 3 parties stand for lying to get votes and lining their own pockets once their in power. You can bet your arse some lobbyist group is behind this bullshit. It's exactly the same shit they're trying to pull in the US with "won't someone think about the children" plastered over the front of it.

while i dont actually care if porn is banned the mention of things being "family friendly"raised an eye brow from me. i could quite easiely see it say banning LGBTI activist sites for instance

This is really a token gesture to appease conservative soccer moms. It won't do anything more then just embarass some adults and inconvenience some kids who want porn.
I don't like the idea behind it though, in two ways.
The idea that the government should do parents' jobs for them and the puritan bullshit that motivates this hatred towards porn. Our society has this revulsion towards sex, seeing it as a bad thing we should protect our kids from.
You can't just shove a child in a bubble until he is eighteen years old, shutting them off from their own and everyone else's sexuality.
Sexual repression is harmfull and doesnt work.

vallorn:

US conservative =/= UK conservative. Also he's in coalition with the Lib Dems who are as far from being liberal and democratic as can possibly be (unless you agree with their every opinion).

UK conservatives are like weedy ineffectual, polite, republicans but without the constitution holding them back. Except in UK, republican means you want to get rid of the monarchy and UK conservatives are usually pro-monarchy. Conservatives tend not to be keen on the European union, although some are bitterly divided on this.

Labour was rather hardcore socialist before Blair moderated it in the 90s. Now it's fairly centrist at least by UK standards.

The liberal democrats are rather hard to describe as they haven't had real power before and tend to be more of mix of protest votes. Typically very pro Europe, somewhat moderate individualist on economic issues and socially liberal.

Not all that much different between them really.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
This move by the government to step in and ban porn is brought to you by the Conservatives, the Party that has always argued for small government and for the state to not interfere in day to day life.

Funny that. Conservatives have a massive problem with the state stepping in to make sure welfare is provided to families living below the poverty line, they have a massive problem with the state stepping in to make sure free healthcare is provided to al, but they have no problem with the state stepping in and enforcing a block on porn which specifically requires citizens to ask permission to circumvent it.

Porn is the right of every free, adult citizen in the UK. It is not something we should have to ask permission for. This is the latest move from a colossal fuckhead, and his government of fuckheads.

Know what I'm for in this stupid country? People actually having a say in anything that fucking happens here.

Daystar Clarion:
The biggest wanker in the country wants to ban porn.

There's something ironic about that.

Just another example of the nanny state taking responsibility from stupid parents so the rest of us have to suffer. Why an opt out system? Why not make it an opt in system, it makes no goddamn sense.

This, basically. That said, maybe him and Piers Morgan wouldn't be such massive wankers if they'd just realize they'd have so much fun sucking each other off instead.

Cameron called upon Google, Bing and other search engines to blacklist sites provided to them by the government,

I don't think serious perverts use mainstream search engines.

MCerberus:

Because communism is an economic model and "Nazi" is generally short-hand for fascist?

What in the hell are you talking about. In that case I could argue that National Socialism is an economic model as well. The very basis of Communism necessitates a political component, which many people and governments are a part of. In any case I don't know why anybody would use Nazi as shorthand for Fascism since they aren't the same thing and unlike Nazism Fascism isn't inherently bad as many people who hold left wing political beliefs like to believe.

f*** this guy and his stupid @$$ idea. it'll never work. Internet = Porn. and i really hate these child worshipers, children aren't innocent, they are barbaric selfish beasts that need to be disciplined into civilization. I saw porn when i was six years old (on video!) and it didn't corrupt me and turn me into a rampaging sex machine. instead it did absolutely nothing. i didn't have sex until i was nearly 18 years old and i've been with the same person ever since. (and i've watched a lot of porn too)

captcha: lost love.
... lol.

The kids will find porn whether it be on the internet or not, my first "What are these AWESOME pictures and what is my penis doing?" prepubescent erection was to some collectible pornographic playing cards. Either way this is some serious nanny state shit that pisses me off, on the other hand it'll probably cut down my masturbation habits by a lot and maybe give me the incentive to reconnect with my roots.

The Conservative Party -It's not the nanny state when we do it!

This won't pass, Labour party will get in and postpone a lot of the unpopular notions of the conservatives, most notably the EU referendum.

I think something has to be done, but something can already be done, the tools are already at parents disposal to take steps to prevent children seeing porn but most seem to lazy to do it. (parental control internet/OS programs)

Another act of the government taking choices and responsibilities away from parents.

If parents don't want their kids to see porn, there are plenty of parental controls available on computers, either in the form of downloadable programs or blocks already built into the software/browser. They have the tools, thus government intervention is utterly unnecessary. If they want to blame someone for their kid whacking it all day, they ought to look in the mirror.

Learn the tech. Your kids may know a lot more than you, but you learn faster and they are still absolute amateurs.

Captcha: eat cous cous

No thanks, I prefer quinoa.

It is bizarre that they can just up and decide to impose that on everyone. Better get your fap on while you can!

Although I don't see how this could stop unofficial stuff that isn't marked as such like torrents.

Matt Dellar:
Wait, this guy is conservative? Aren't conservatives supposed to be against empowering the government more than it already is?

Regardless, I have a feeling Google DNS is going to become very popular in the UK very quickly.

Supposedly yes, but for some reason, the modern "right wing" is a mix of small government pro-business ideology, interventionist pro-military ideology, nationalist ideology, and "family values" and pro-theocratic ideology. Essentially the attitude is "the liberals want to control our lives and nanny us! We won't do that... except for those disgusting left-wingers trying to bring down good Christian values, they don't get freedom. And the gays are trying to corrupt our society, we need to stop them too. And we need to cut government spending, its wasteful. Except the military, that needs way more money, despite us not fighting any large scale conflicts, and instead fighting terrorism.", though the military point is more applicable in the U.S..

*sigh* Don't you just love it when your non-democratically elected government makes decisions on what you can or can't do? You know, maybe I will vote for independence after all. We never wanted your party in our country, Mr Cameron, perhaps it's time we made it official. Personally, I think we could do with booting him out of UK politics altogether, but I suppose we could make a start with Scotland.

I can see it now...

PM's Office "We're banning porn for the sake of the children!"
Fathers "But where we get our porn?"
PM's Office "You can call your ISP to disable it."
Fathers "But then my child can see it..."
PM's Office "Good point. Why are we doing this again?"

Criminalize rape porn? Well now I'm sure I'm never moving to the UK.

Also, V for Vendetta anyone? I saw an interview with Alan Moore where he said the idea of putting cameras on every street corner was put in the book (published in the 70s) because it struck him as being what a fascist state would do. Fast forward to the late 90s where the events of the book takes place...
And now you're getting the far right morality law. Seeing how apathetic you brits are, it will only be a short time before a masked hero blows up Old Bailey.

EDIT-

MarsProbe:
*sigh* Don't you just love it when your non-democratically elected government makes decisions on what you can or can't do? You know, maybe I will vote for independence after all. We never wanted your party in our country, Mr Cameron, perhaps it's time we made it official. Personally, I think we could do with booting him out of UK politics altogether, but I suppose we could make a start with Scotland.

Correction: seeing how apathetic you English are*

The LibLabCon are truly a bunch of utter cunts. Seems like the Torys are starting to fear UKIP, this is just Cameron's adept to make himself look more conservative and right wing. Except anyone with a brain can tell 'Cameron's Cuddly Conservatives', are basically a slightly less left-wing New Labour with posher accents, worse haircuts and the obligatory tax breaks for the rich. The inevitable media shit-storm, will make it easier for them to avoid talking about more important issues they are unwilling to address.

Of course, another epic coalition U-turn could be on the cards if this turns out to be really unpopular.

Deshara:

Oh, fuck off UK.

What do you mean, UK, as though the people who actually live here don't think Cameron's as much of a bellend as you do?

You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

Hammartroll:
Criminalize rape porn? Well now I'm sure I'm never moving to the UK.

You shouldn't anyway, the cost of living sucks.

I'm not against an "opt out" approach but like all government interference in social media it'll eventually over step the mark, we already know they let people over seas see our online information :(

The UK government doesn't make money from porn so it ok to ban and make up baseless reasons to do so, but what the UK government does make money from is gambling a far more destructive influence on children, the working class and families.

Don't get me wrong I'm not against gambling since I actually run a AGC "Adult Gaming Centre", basically an old fashioned arcade. Now before the Gambling Act of 2005 we had pretty strict self regulated rules which were perfectly fine. Now our mighty caring government applauded us for this and told us to support us and protect the public they would put these regulations into law so people wanting to gamble could do so in well run, officially regulated, fair and honest premises while also restricting access to gambling by vunerable people and making people like me responsible for those people if I allowed them to gamble and if I did I could receive a heavy fine and face criminal prosecution and all it enforced by the British Gaming Commission and their army of enforcement officers.

Now what people don't realise is this was huge con on the British people, buried in all the pages of this act was one very small change in the law which doesn't sound much but it make certain people billions and cost thousands of jobs and destroyed an industry. Basically they changed the law which stated every operator is responsible for any underage gambling if it occurs in their business too an operator is only responsible when they become "AWARE" of an underage gambler then they must act.

Seems small but this little change opened the flood gates for online gambling allowing anyone to access gambling anywhere and anytime if you are a child, have a gambling addiction and on the point of suicide, spending stolen funds none of this matters because the online operators are not aware and don't care.

Now we have the biggest growing online gambling market in the world, a much more destructive vice than porn and you're government gave you this because there's money in it for them and their friends, lots of money.

fix-the-spade:

Capitano Segnaposto:
Okay, I am confused. Since when was porn considered something that would ruin a child? I remember seeing my first porn mag at the age of 7. I didn't become a mass murderer or serial rapist.

Porn is the front/distraction being used to bring in active web screening to the UK, so the government gets to make a list of all the websites it doesn't like and then force ISPs (and search providers) to block UK users from ever seeing them (without any kind of due process). If you want to see anything on the banned list, you will have to called up your ISP, hand over your name and number, no way that will ever be abused, no sir.

Whilst Cameron is talking big on violent porn and paedophilia, the bill will apply to everything, yay freedom of speech! If I were one of these ISPs, I would erase Cameron and the conservative party from the internet right about now to demonstrate the practical use of this legislation. Google bomb them to oblivion already!

Great firewall type situation then?

Really, it seems to me like the desperate floundering of a man who has no realistic chance of winning the next general election.
Really, the only thing going for him is that Milliband isn't all that popular either.

Leftnt Sharpe:
The LibLabCon are truly a bunch of utter cunts. Seems like the Torys are starting to fear UKIP, this is just Cameron's adept to make himself look more conservative and right wing. Except anyone with a brain can tell 'Cameron's Cuddly Conservatives', are basically a slightly less left-wing New Labour with posher accents, worse haircuts and the obligatory tax breaks for the rich. The inevitable media shit-storm, will make it easier for them to avoid talking about more important issues they are unwilling to address.

Of course, another epic coalition U-turn could be on the cards if this turns out to be really unpopular.

Who will you be voting for? I considered this and it's either green or Monster Raving Loony

They tried passing this before, but with the idea being that everybody with an internet connection would be left as they are, but people signing up for one would have to opt-in.

The same people who already have free access to hundreds of free programs to block internet sites, the same people who with one phone call to their ISP could get as much help as they need to block site access from their computers using software that comes pre installed with ALL internet browsers. Yeah we live in a society were the responsibility of people's children is everyone other than the fucking parents.

Here's the kicker, the government wants ISPs to block a list of sites that the government gives them, well I am sorry but that is a big fucking no as far as I am concerned. The last two decades we have seen the slow and gradual decay of our own personnel freedoms by both the last Labour and current Tory / Lib Dem governments but this this is a slippery slop folks.

Captcha: Scot free

Not if that arsehole Cameron has anything to do with it.

SonOfVoorhees:
You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

Err no, there are two things.

One of them is an optional filter that blocks all porn.

SonOfVoorhees:
You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

You didn't read it, did you?

The law would immediately ban possession of rape pornography full stop, as well as bringing in new measures to detect and block child pornography. However, it would also automatically block all porn sites to everyone in the UK unless they specifically ask their ISP remove the block,

So the funny thing is that this task is literally
-mathematically
--provably
---100%
-----*IMPOSSIBLE.*

It's called a halting problem. Look it up UK, you're apparently over 77 years behind common computer science intelligence. And that includes none of the work of Gödel.

Oh, also, as the resident psychic and psychologist of the Escapist forums, you've completely overlooked the fact that some men get off to shoes.
So even if you had a magic filter that wasn't stopped by the halting problem, you will slowly block off so much of the net that it just won't exist anymore

Enjoy the stone age!

wizzy555:

SonOfVoorhees:
You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

Err no, there are two things.

One of them is an optional filter that blocks all porn.

Erm no it doesnt. It allows porn thats acceptable to buy to be seen online. What are you watching?

SonOfVoorhees:

Da Orky Man:

SonOfVoorhees:
You all stupid? Its not blocked. It blocks rape or child porn. Why do people claim it blocks everything? I hate the condems but this is a good thing. End of the day, if you are a normal porn loving guy, you have nothing to fear.....only if it involves kids or its rape porn. In that case, your not normal and should be beating in prison.

You didn't read it, did you?

The law would immediately ban possession of rape pornography full stop, as well as bringing in new measures to detect and block child pornography. However, it would also automatically block all porn sites to everyone in the UK unless they specifically ask their ISP remove the block,

You didnt read my comment did you. I said it blocks rape porn. Why would anyone want to see rape porn? If you do, i hope some female person in your life is raped so you know its not something for entertainment. Now blocking child porn im all for.

It also block all normal porn sites, unless you specifically ask you ISP to unblock them. Now then, I don't see many sexually frustrated teenagers asking their parents to essentially sign a porn waiver form.

Da Orky Man:

SonOfVoorhees:

Da Orky Man:

You didn't read it, did you?

The law would immediately ban possession of rape pornography full stop, as well as bringing in new measures to detect and block child pornography. However, it would also automatically block all porn sites to everyone in the UK unless they specifically ask their ISP remove the block,

You didnt read my comment did you. I said it blocks rape porn. Why would anyone want to see rape porn? If you do, i hope some female person in your life is raped so you know its not something for entertainment. Now blocking child porn im all for.

It also block all normal porn sites, unless you specifically ask you ISP to unblock them. Now then, I don't see many sexually frustrated teenagers asking their parents to essentially sign a porn waiver form.

Then they can deal with their frustrations like we all did as teens (me being 36 now). How pathetic is this world getting where no porn is a major issue? Talk about your 1st world problems. Maybe they should wait, get a girlfriend and then have sex with her with out filling their mind with all that fake bullshit porn does. Either that or start handing out razor blades if thats a major issue in their lives.

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