Explosions at Boston Marathon (Video) 1 Suspect Dead, 1 Injured and in Custody

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The Gentleman:

Shock and Awe:
Time to start pointing figures. My money is on someone linked to Al Queda or the Taliban. This seems like it fits pretty well in the playbook.

My money's on a right-wing domestic terrorist. There was a bombing attempt in Washington about three years ago during an Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade that was linked to white supremists.

I think its far too early to make any call on that.

Since this is the second thread on the subject (technically the first), I'll just copy/paste what I'd written before, as I feel it's till relevant.

Kopikatsu:

Suggesting that it was a home grown right winger made me think of an interesting scenario.

Reportedly, the explosions happened near where some of the parents of the Newtown shooting's victims were. Wouldn't it be strange if a very anti-gun control proponent tried to 'finish the job' using explosives, as a means of protesting the (many) proposed new gun control regulations by showing that explosives made with commonplace materials can be just as bad (or worse) than a firearm?

Kopikatsu:
Since this is the second thread on the subject (technically the first), I'll just copy/paste what I'd written before, as I feel it's till relevant.

Kopikatsu:

Suggesting that it was a home grown right winger made me think of an interesting scenario.

Reportedly, the explosions happened near where some of the parents of the Newtown shooting's victims were. Wouldn't it be strange if a very anti-gun control proponent tried to 'finish the job' using explosives, as a means of protesting the (many) proposed new gun control regulations by showing that explosives made with commonplace materials can be just as bad (or worse) than a firearm?

That's what i was thinking too. But that also has to be one of the dumbest motives ever, you have to think everyone would know the backlash from this would irreparably damage anybody appearing to be a "gun-nut". If anything this kind of situation would ram gun control even quicker through congress even though there where no guns involved.

Anyways, this is incredible and no amount of speculation is gonna hit the nail right on the head I'm gonna just wait and see hopefully they find whoever did it and they are just domestic terrorists and hopefully everyone that's injured makes it through.

dmase:

Kopikatsu:
Since this is the second thread on the subject (technically the first), I'll just copy/paste what I'd written before, as I feel it's till relevant.

Kopikatsu:

Suggesting that it was a home grown right winger made me think of an interesting scenario.

Reportedly, the explosions happened near where some of the parents of the Newtown shooting's victims were. Wouldn't it be strange if a very anti-gun control proponent tried to 'finish the job' using explosives, as a means of protesting the (many) proposed new gun control regulations by showing that explosives made with commonplace materials can be just as bad (or worse) than a firearm?

That's what i was thinking too. But that also has to be one of the dumbest motives ever, you have to think everyone would know the backlash from this would irreparably damage anybody appearing to be a "gun-nut". If anything this kind of situation would ram gun control even quicker through congress even though there where no guns involved.

Anyways, this is incredible and no amount of speculation is gonna hit the nail right on the head I'm gonna just wait and see hopefully they find whoever did it and they are just domestic terrorists and hopefully everyone that's injured makes it through.

How do you figure? Gun control hasn't been tightened after any of the other (many) bombings on US soil, as far as I know.

Kopikatsu:

dmase:

Kopikatsu:
Since this is the second thread on the subject (technically the first), I'll just copy/paste what I'd written before, as I feel it's till relevant.

That's what i was thinking too. But that also has to be one of the dumbest motives ever, you have to think everyone would know the backlash from this would irreparably damage anybody appearing to be a "gun-nut". If anything this kind of situation would ram gun control even quicker through congress even though there where no guns involved.

Anyways, this is incredible and no amount of speculation is gonna hit the nail right on the head I'm gonna just wait and see hopefully they find whoever did it and they are just domestic terrorists and hopefully everyone that's injured makes it through.

How do you figure? Gun control hasn't been tightened after any of the other (many) bombings on US soil, as far as I know.

The others weren't done in response to a movement in favor of gun control, though. We don't know if that's what happened here, but if that was the motivation, it was really stupid, because it probably will cause people to double down on it. It might even if it's /not/ the motivation.

Kopikatsu:

dmase:

Kopikatsu:
Since this is the second thread on the subject (technically the first), I'll just copy/paste what I'd written before, as I feel it's till relevant.

That's what i was thinking too. But that also has to be one of the dumbest motives ever, you have to think everyone would know the backlash from this would irreparably damage anybody appearing to be a "gun-nut". If anything this kind of situation would ram gun control even quicker through congress even though there where no guns involved.

Anyways, this is incredible and no amount of speculation is gonna hit the nail right on the head I'm gonna just wait and see hopefully they find whoever did it and they are just domestic terrorists and hopefully everyone that's injured makes it through.

How do you figure? Gun control hasn't been tightened after any of the other (many) bombings on US soil, as far as I know.

Relevancy and extremism. Newton was an after thought(even though it only happened a couple months ago) until the survivors started speaking to congress and while it brings it back to the public's mind not as much as another tragedy involving these same people by a group opposed to them. Also groups aren't dangerous till we can see the danger people don't find gun-nuts scary as long as they aren't holding guns now this could end up with some public revelation that the "gun-nuts" out their are dangerous in the way they are willing to protect what they consider their rights. When eco-terrorists kill people there aren't people saying, "wow they are right", they say "those bastards, fuck them and fuck their cause, see what environmentalism does to people!?".

A bombing in Boston on tax day. This isn't going to be pretty. If you're at all squeamish don't look at any links described as a photo of "guy who lost his limb" or "guy in a wheelchair."

My wife is having trouble finding the right words to say we're lucky there are only 2 dead. I guess that is the best way to say it, but this is just horrible. As ZefOtter writes: one of the 2 was an 8 year old. Killed just watching a race. This is just so pointless and stupid.

Harsh to say, but makes me hope Hell is a real place waiting for the monsters that did this.

TheGuy(wantstobe):
A bombing in Boston on tax day.

But TEA isn't supposed to be explosive! D:

And let the partisanship begin, CNN is duly noting that Obama didn't say terror, keeping it on top of the ticker like it was some sort of big deal. I wonder what Fox has to say about that. :p

It seems the police were on to the attack before it happened: http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

Witnesses reported seeing bomb sniffing dogs at the beginning and end of the race as well as announcements of "training exercises" going on. I wonder what tipped the police off... and why their dogs proved so useless.

First thought- We need to ban assault weapons so that these sorts of tragedies never happen again.

The Gentleman:

Shock and Awe:
Time to start pointing figures. My money is on someone linked to Al Queda or the Taliban. This seems like it fits pretty well in the playbook.

My money's on a right-wing domestic terrorist. There was a bombing attempt in Washington about three years ago during an Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade that was linked to white supremists.

I don't think so, marathons don't seem like their MO. Its not against the government or some specific group so I wouldn't hedge it on them. This was meant to cause terror among everyone in the US, thats a lot more like Islamic Extremists then ultra-right militias.

Kopikatsu:
Since this is the second thread on the subject (technically the first), I'll just copy/paste what I'd written before, as I feel it's till relevant.

Kopikatsu:

Suggesting that it was a home grown right winger made me think of an interesting scenario.

Reportedly, the explosions happened near where some of the parents of the Newtown shooting's victims were. Wouldn't it be strange if a very anti-gun control proponent tried to 'finish the job' using explosives, as a means of protesting the (many) proposed new gun control regulations by showing that explosives made with commonplace materials can be just as bad (or worse) than a firearm?

Oh boy! I love wild speculation, let me have a crack at it.

I'd say it was actually left wing extremists trying to frame patriot groups or militia movements by staging a pointless, innocent killing terrorist attack on Patriot Day and Tax Day (both are today). Defuse the growing pro-gun/anti-federalist movements by marginalizing them.

Why are patriot groups being framed rather than being the perpetrators? Because what point is there to bombing innocent civilians at a marathon? Why not spend that energy bombing the IRS or the Fed or something?

And they say us gamers are desensitized to this kind of thing.

This is horrific on every scale, and I can only feel sorrow for the lives lost, and the lives damaged either with physical trauma or PTSD from this.

ANd I hope we catch the ones responsible for this!

Hammartroll:
It seems the police were on to the attack before it happened: http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

Witnesses reported seeing bomb sniffing dogs at the beginning and end of the race as well as announcements of "training exercises" going on. I wonder what tipped the police off... and why their dogs proved so useless.

I'd imagine what caused the police to have bomb sniffing dogs is just that this is the U.S. post 9/11, and the Boston marathon is a monumental event which necessitates increased security measures.

as to why the dogs didn't pick up on the bombs, don't know :/

Obama was really sad he had to make such a blanket statement. They bombed the JFK library too. This was possibly retaliation for the sequester, or even a concerted action with the timing of the sequester to maximize impact. A whole country on the edge because all the federal security apparatus is suffering from the budget cuts, now it's much easier to increase the military budget again. Whose failure was it?

This was NOT DONE by a single person, nor a small organization. This was a very PRECISE attack. It was not RANDOM.

Don't forget the JFK Library was targeted by a device that produced a fire, according to the Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis. It is important to find out exactly what was targeted by this attack, namely the books and records that were damaged inside the JFK Library, and why was that a target.

This bombing is kinda...strange. It could have been much worse. But a bomb at the finish line? kinda a bad spot for it as there are medical teams at the finish lines. Still, im glad we are not immediately jumping onto "foreign terrorists at at work."

still, doesn't seem like right wing nuts. Doesn't fit their style.

2ndhiggsboson:
They bombed the JFK library too.

Current reports are saying the opposite, that whatever happened at the JFK library was most likely not related.

Hammartroll:
It seems the police were on to the attack before it happened: http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

Witnesses reported seeing bomb sniffing dogs at the beginning and end of the race as well as announcements of "training exercises" going on. I wonder what tipped the police off... and why their dogs proved so useless.

It's an event with 30,000 people, also most K-9 units usually don't have specialized dogs for sniffing. The K-9 dogs are trained for all operations, this also includes sniffing for explosives and narcotics. As i said with 30,000 potential targets moving as a crowed I'm surprised there were no predator drones flying escort sorties considering this is post Oklahoma and post 9/11...

Shock and Awe:
Time to start pointing figures. My money is on someone linked to Al Queda or the Taliban. This seems like it fits pretty well in the playbook.

The Taliban? They've no real power anymore, and they were localised. Anyway, way to early to guess, but if I had to, I'd say domestic isn't unlikely, which means they won't call it terrorism.

...

Oh, and I see it's already being used in anti0gun control rhetoric. Great.

Hammartroll:

Kopikatsu:
Since this is the second thread on the subject (technically the first), I'll just copy/paste what I'd written before, as I feel it's till relevant.

Kopikatsu:

Suggesting that it was a home grown right winger made me think of an interesting scenario.

Reportedly, the explosions happened near where some of the parents of the Newtown shooting's victims were. Wouldn't it be strange if a very anti-gun control proponent tried to 'finish the job' using explosives, as a means of protesting the (many) proposed new gun control regulations by showing that explosives made with commonplace materials can be just as bad (or worse) than a firearm?

Oh boy! I love wild speculation, let me have a crack at it.

I'd say it was actually left wing extremists trying to frame patriot groups or militia movements by staging a pointless, innocent killing terrorist attack on Patriot Day and Tax Day (both are today). Defuse the growing pro-gun/anti-federalist movements by marginalizing them.

Why are patriot groups being framed rather than being the perpetrators? Because what point is there to bombing innocent civilians at a marathon? Why not spend that energy bombing the IRS or the Fed or something?

If what your saying is right that would literally be the first time that has happened in the past two decades(or more) in a first world nation. Groups don't frame other groups and expect to get away with it in a world with forensics, money trails, and wire tapping; especially in america our law enforcement has a severe hard on for all terrorism so much so they are probably looking at everyone and their mother for this. I think it's far to early for speculation but your suggestion seems like something a batman villain would think up. We'll make it look like the batman did it!!!

Lets see today was Kim Li Sung's birthday, and also a host of other events such as first Arab revolts in Palestine now Israel, first flight of the b-52, and the great Mississippi flood of 1927, Operation El Dorado Canyon, when Abe Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteers to quell the insurrection.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_15

This also happen while Biden was in a conference about gun control Ironically.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/15/two-explosions-at-boston-marathon-finish-line-injure-dozens-reports/

This scares me a bit as I was thinking about doing a marathon next year. I think however a group of Skinhead Nazi's this due to Leo Felton arrest.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2001/fall/bombs-in-boston

Knight Templar:

2ndhiggsboson:
They bombed the JFK library too.

Current reports are saying the opposite, that whatever happened at the JFK library was most likely not related.

No one knows who was responsible for the bombing yet. Why are we so quickly ruling out that both events were related?

There's an eyewitness account that says he what he heard was "definitely an explosion": http://www.bostonirish.com/news/2013/jfk-library-official-fire-was-not-caused-device

a "person of interest" is being questioned in hospital who is a 20yo saudi national on a student visa who is apparently cooperating

wombat_of_war:
a "person of interest" is being questioned in hospital who is a 20yo saudi national on a student visa who is apparently cooperating

I'm sorry if I am jumping in too hard at this thread, but I think this person was detained because he is a Saudi, rather than because he's a suspect.

2ndhiggsboson:

wombat_of_war:
a "person of interest" is being questioned in hospital who is a 20yo saudi national on a student visa who is apparently cooperating

I'm sorry if I am jumping in too hard at this thread, but I think this person was detained because he is a Saudi, rather than because he's a suspect.

He's not being detained as of yet, he's being questioned when a bombing like that happens the profile of the suspect is quite predictable. Weather it's a YMM or a Militia nutcase there aren't that many profiles too look at.
It's like being surprised that an Irish man would've been questions in a bombing in the UK in the 1980's or a Basque questions in Spain.
There are just no that many groups that use bombings for political gain, and for the most part a single group has taken a monopoly on that.

2ndhiggsboson:

No one knows who was responsible for the bombing yet. Why are we so quickly ruling out that both events were related?

They are not saying for certain they are unrelated, just that the initial assumption "could be premature" and the event "may not be linked directly" to the bombings, as your own link says.
They seemed to be wavering on treating it if its related or not, but its clear they do not think it is directly related either way.

There's an eyewitness account that says he what he heard was "definitely an explosion"

As your own link notes, one person claimed such but many others did not hear anything. Which suggests mechanical failure, not an explosive device. If a bomb went off, more than one person would notice.

It's not that they cannot be connected, it's just unlikely and they want to avoid jumping to conclusions anymore than they already have.

wombat_of_war:
a "person of interest" is being questioned in hospital who is a 20yo saudi national on a student visa who is apparently cooperating

The police are saying they do not have any suspects, nor do they have any persons of interest in custody.

Five options in my opinion:

1. Islamic terrorists - Islamic extremists want to cause the maximum death, carnage and confusion, so why was the bomb at the finish line and not the start? Every marathon I've ever seen starts with a tide of people, one small shrapnel bomb in a crowd like this:

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Would do far more damage than a bigger one at the finish. There'd also be the higher death toll as there's not nearly as many medics at the start.

This just doesn't strike me as a Islamic extremist operation.

2. Nationalist/Anti-Islamic Nut - Bomb goes off anywhere in the West who are the first people we blame? This could be someone trying to drive up anti-Islamic sentiments and/or drive people towards another war in the Middle East(e.g.Iran). This could be America's Anders Breivik.

3. Right wing/pro-gun Nutjob - What's the main argument against gun control when it comes to attacks like Aurora or Newtown? That if they can't get guns they'll use bombs; maybe someone decided to try prove a point. Two fold (twisted) reasoning; a)people will think there's no point banning guns because bad guys will use bombs and b) gun sales will increase (as they always do after American tragedies) meaning there would be a boost to pro-gun arguments.

Unlikely to be the reason but it might be possible that someone (maybe from option 2) uses this kind of argument.

4. Left wing/anti-gun nutjob - If I thought of 3. there may be others - could be possible someone decided to smear pro-gun/right-wing groups by framing them for the attack.

Just as unlikely as 3.

5. Lone Nut - Someone who is angry at the world and wants to lash out at it. Maybe couldn't get a gun licence so resorted to explosives. Could use any of the arguments from options 2-4 as justification for why he did it but most likely just did it to be famous - expect a violent last stand/death by cop if he's found.


Whoever it was and whatever their reasoning hopefully the find the sick son of a bitch and throw the book at him.

Karma168:

Sounds reasonable...except there's no reason to assume whoever did it was mentally ill. Almost certainly, there will be calls for "something" to be done to protect "normal" people from the mentally ill, in lieu of anything useful, and this will do nothing other than make things worse.

Psykoma:

Hammartroll:
It seems the police were on to the attack before it happened: http://www.local15tv.com/mostpopular/story/UM-Coach-Bomb-Sniffing-Dogs-Spotters-on-Roofs/BrirjAzFPUKKN8z6eSDJEA.cspx

Witnesses reported seeing bomb sniffing dogs at the beginning and end of the race as well as announcements of "training exercises" going on. I wonder what tipped the police off... and why their dogs proved so useless.

I'd imagine what caused the police to have bomb sniffing dogs is just that this is the U.S. post 9/11, and the Boston marathon is a monumental event which necessitates increased security measures.

as to why the dogs didn't pick up on the bombs, don't know :/

regardless, the false flag conspiracy theories are already emerging.

(1:20 "it's a false flag!")

Apparently people were being told to keep calm right before the bomb went off, insinuating that the police knew it was about to happen I suppose. My friends on the lunatic fringe are saying that it's a ploy to give the DHS more funding, which I suppose is a possibility, but governments will always try to find a way to benefit from a crisis regardless if it was a false flag.

Meanwhile, in Somalia, 19 people died when gunmen bombed and shot up the Supreme Court. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22143503#TWEET723441

Danny Ocean:
Meanwhile, in Somalia, 19 people died when gunmen bombed and shot up the Supreme Court. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22143503#TWEET723441

Is that like something that happens every day?

Danny Ocean:
Meanwhile, in Somalia, 19 people died when gunmen bombed and shot up the Supreme Court. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-22143503#TWEET723441

It's Somalia, Iraq had like 3 car bombs too it's nothing special...

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