Earth's Mightiest Teaser

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rayen020:

Looking at the bigger picture, is anyone kinda surprised that the avengers, i have to say it, the second most well known superhero team is getting a movie before the most well known superhero team, the justice league? i mean i know that DC would love to put out a movie for all its big IPs and then make a justice league movie. Is it weird that even though everyone knows about the justice league DC can't make a decent movie for anyone who isn't a pyschopath in a batsuit fighting other pyschopaths?

personally speaking i didn't know about the avengers until i really started getting into comics. I find it odd that with all the various incarnations of justice league for TV that isn't getting a big screen adaptation first.

Still Avengers is looking like it's gonna be awesome.

My theory is that the justice league's villains would have to be covered in kryptonite, which would be rather expensive for the prop department, rendering the movie financially nonviable. That will continue to be my theory forever, no matter how many intelligent people tell me it's a stupid theory.

Yes, because DC heroes all have the silly weaknesses like a magic rock, the color yellow, or hands behind their back. Marvel's heroes on the other hand, all have personality flaws. Bruce - short temper. Thor - young and cocky. Cap - too trusting. Stark - cocky, drinking womanizer, fratboy. That's what makes marvel films more engaging. They don't depend solely on FX shots.

Mr.Tea:

alrekr:

Arcanist:

Well, Stark made his first Arc Reactor IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS, so it's not like they're hard for him to make.

Bob, I approve of the Lonely Island reference.

Which was slowly killing him until he made the improved one in the second Iron-man film... And it wan't scraps so much as parts from all his weapons that were sold on the black market.

He may be only saying it that way because that's Jeff Bridges' exact line in Iron Man.

To some engineer who failed to replicate the Arc reactor for him: "What do you mean it can't be done? Tony Stark made it IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!"

Dangit, where's the upvote button on this forum?

...

And I can't downvote the forum for not having one either! I've been spoiled by reddit.

I love you, Bob; but you sound like those same nerd purists who got mad over the Dragon Age trailer. Hard Rock is not the devil and as I have been hearing the same fucking string compositions and arrangements for epic movies for as long as I have been alive. I really wish that it would die or at least evolve. I think that things are moving in the right direction when composers start using more electronic sounds in movies. Even heavy acoustic rock is better than an orchestral score, to me. I have nothing against the symphony, I play a Viola from time to time, I just think that you are falling into the same love of cliches that you fault others for from time to time.

"Also: Whoever's been cutting these at Disney/Marvel? Look, I like Tool and Nine Inch Nails as much as anybody; but it's time to cool it with the 90s Metal motif for all these trailers. This is the first continuity-driven superhero-epic, guys... let's get something orchestral going on with the proper amount of portent and gravitas already."

My thoughts exactly Bob. I was hoping for more from the first trailer, something more epic. Not to say that I'm not happy with what I've been given! Of course not! I'm just sayin', I'd like something a bit more epic for the next trailer that rolls around.

It's funny that you said "Iron Man 3: Guest Starring The Avengers", because throughout the trailer, he completely steals the show with his snarky lines. Robert Downey Jr. is just so charismatic and funny that it's hard to take my attention away from him...

cynicalsaint1:
I have to agree the NIN music feels out of place here - ever since the 300 trailer it seems like people can't get enough of pillaging The Fragile for trailer music though ..

Otherwise looks awesome can't wait!

i think the lyrical content of the song had a lot to do with the choice.

marcogodinho:

Wilbot666:
Joss Whedon is a perfect pick for this. Read the first 4 Astonishing X-Men graphic novels if you don't believe the stats. Ord of the Breakworld was simple, powerful and also excellently written/murderous.

Absolutely. Whedonīs x-men run should be the blueprint to its movie franchise. If the Avengers turn out half as good as those comics iīll be a happy man. The line "I really like beer" alone makes it worthwhile.

Heh heh, in some ways I wish Whedon had had a chance to write some Deadpool into that series, I think he would have written a mighty fine dynamic between Logan and Wade.

"00:44 - 00:45 Captain America meets his new 21st Century uniform. I'm really curious as to the context of this scene - the outfit is preserved like a museum piece, as in "this is Captain America's gear;" but it's NOT his actual gear (it can't be, he was wearing said gear when he was frozen) and in fact looks like a modernized version of the "costume" he wore at USO appearances. I'd really like it if there was a "bit" about that in there, re: Cap's legend having gotten exaggerated/embellished in the 70 years he's been "away.""

I wonder if it's a reference to the imposter Captain America that was active during the Cold War whilst Steve Rogers was still frozen? Perhaps the "new" Cap updated the uniform and this is one of those iterations.

It's a bit of a stretch but who knows, it could happen.

BOB!

you missed something crucial the iron man suit pilot is dizzy / confused when he / she switches from vertical to horizontal flight

does someone steal the iron man suit?

there's a foreshadowing hint at this when mr america taunts him about it too.

rayen020:

Looking at the bigger picture, is anyone kinda surprised that the avengers, i have to say it, the second most well known superhero team is getting a movie before the most well known superhero team, the justice league? i mean i know that DC would love to put out a movie for all its big IPs and then make a justice league movie. Is it weird that even though everyone knows about the justice league DC can't make a decent movie for anyone who isn't a pyschopath in a batsuit fighting other pyschopaths?

personally speaking i didn't know about the avengers until i really started getting into comics. I find it odd that with all the various incarnations of justice league for TV that isn't getting a big screen adaptation first.

Still Avengers is looking like it's gonna be awesome.

It's because DC suck at getting their movies off the ground in this way. There hasn't been a very decent Superman film in a while, and certainly none that really captured the essence of the Big Guy in a context that would work with other heroes.
Green Lantern was a total disaster that did more to upset a multi-hero continuity than help it.
The Dark Knight is obviously the best movie going for DC right now, but can you really see Nolan's Batman sitting up in the watchtower, next to Flash and Martian Manhunter? Can you really envisage Christian Bale shouting a gravelly voiced one liner as uses a laser-guided bat-missile to blow up an alien spaceship while he punches Darkseid in the face? Bit of a step up from Gotham's thugs.
And we are seemingly a million miles away from a Wonder Woman/Flash/Aquaman/Hawkman movie, and we need at least a few years to recover from GL to make it viable to reboot.
The best hope for Justice League being realized as a film is if Snyder's Man of Steel does great in the box office and ties Superman to the rest of DC a bit, and if DKR leans batman a bit closer outside of Nolans gritty realism world. That's possible if they go the whole resurrection route with Raz Al Gul and make Bane a total badass out of the pages of comics.

But, yeah... I'd probably pony up for a movie of nothing but Johansson in a black jumpsuit doing nifty acrobatic takedowns on henchmen.

In 3D !

What seems strange to me, BLack widow looks like she is in custody too at 0:48.

SimGrave:
I have a question about continuity for you Bob, or anyone who has an answer.
At the end of Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton, Nick Fury talks with General Ross.
Leading us to believe that Fury wants Ross on board, not Hulk
In the Avengers' trailer, it's clearly Hulk, Bruce Banner that is part of the team, not Ross.
(yeah I know, that's how it is in the comics, but I'm talking about the movies here)
Why is that? As far as I know, there wasn't any closure between Banner and Ross.
Do you think that it'll be explained, or just ignored?

This was on the Thor Blu-Ray:

OT: I'm so excited for this film. I agree that the trailer is very Iron Man heavy. I want to see Iron Man taking the piss out of everyone though. That will be some of the best bits of the film.

You know what sold me on this movie?

Captain America: "Big man in a suit. Take that away and what are you?"
Tony Stark: "Genius. Billionaire. Playboy. Philanthropist."
[Thor laughs]

Harveypot:

SimGrave:
I have a question about continuity for you Bob, or anyone who has an answer.
At the end of Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton, Nick Fury talks with General Ross.
Leading us to believe that Fury wants Ross on board, not Hulk
In the Avengers' trailer, it's clearly Hulk, Bruce Banner that is part of the team, not Ross.
(yeah I know, that's how it is in the comics, but I'm talking about the movies here)
Why is that? As far as I know, there wasn't any closure between Banner and Ross.
Do you think that it'll be explained, or just ignored?

This was on the Thor Blu-Ray:

OT: I'm so excited for this film. I agree that the trailer is very Iron Man heavy. I want to see Iron Man taking the piss out of everyone though. That will be some of the best bits of the film.

Why did I had the souvenir of Fury talking to Ross, while it was Stark? Well, it doesn't matter! This is perfect and pretty much the answer I was looking for. So thanks a bunch. I'm not that much into Super Heroes movies. They all are the same... Origin + Villain introduction. But, I finnd the over-arching story line more interesting that the movies themselves. I mean... IT IS EPIC! I just hope that the main villain in the Avenger will be just as epic.

rayen020:

Looking at the bigger picture, is anyone kinda surprised that the avengers, i have to say it, the second most well known superhero team is getting a movie before the most well known superhero team, the justice league?

I think you'll find the most well known team is the X-Men.

The rest is leagues behind them to the point where trying to figure out who is no 2 is rather much a moot point.

The general public really doesn't know. Especially outside the US.

"Um... incidentally, why has nobody said "Avengers Assemble!" yet?"

Because you'll only get one shot at delivering that line. One. The movie could be a two hour long nerdgasm, but if you mess up that line, it will all be tainted. It will be in the movie, without a doubt, because if they do get it right....Oh Sweet Jesus. A lot of fans will gladly sign their souls over to Marvel.

Vortigar:
I think you'll find the most well known team is the X-Men.

The rest is leagues behind them to the point where trying to figure out who is no 2 is rather much a moot point.

The general public really doesn't know. Especially outside the US.

I think the Fantastic Four is a close second, some years ago they'd likely be in front, but given that the recent fantastic four movies were pretty bad and the X-men ones on average decent, they've likely been overtaken.

Also I think the Justice League is more the sum of it's parts popularity, than the actual team itself.

SimGrave:
They all are the same... Origin + Villain introduction. But, I finnd the over-arching story line more interesting that the movies themselves. I mean... IT IS EPIC! I just hope that the main villain in the Avenger will be just as epic.

One of the key things I liked about Thor was that it wasn't your classical origin movie, where a good person becomes powerful, he starts the film with all of his might and abilities, it was more about his shift in behaviour to become a better person.

Vortigar:

rayen020:

Looking at the bigger picture, is anyone kinda surprised that the avengers, i have to say it, the second most well known superhero team is getting a movie before the most well known superhero team, the justice league?

I think you'll find the most well known team is the X-Men.

The rest is leagues behind them to the point where trying to figure out who is no 2 is rather much a moot point.

The general public really doesn't know. Especially outside the US.

Okay i'll agree the Xmen are the top, but the justice league is second by a long way, IMO. They've been around on TV for our parents, us and depending on your age our kids. The JL is well ingrained into the public conscious.

The only thing that annoyed me was when Hawkeye unfolded his bow they used a shotgun pumping sfx. A part of me cringed pretty badly at that.

Yes, this is awesome. I like the comeback that Tony says to the Captain. Truly great.

I am kinda looking forward to seeing how Robert Downey Jr. is fit into the film since he seems to be an automatic scene-stealer. I hope they work it into the plot, say Iron Man doing his own thing that blows up in his (or more likely Capt. America's) face.

Vortigar:

rayen020:

Looking at the bigger picture, is anyone kinda surprised that the avengers, i have to say it, the second most well known superhero team is getting a movie before the most well known superhero team, the justice league?

I think you'll find the most well known team is the X-Men.

The rest is leagues behind them to the point where trying to figure out who is no 2 is rather much a moot point.

The general public really doesn't know. Especially outside the US.

The Justice League is the best known superhero team by far; it's just that the NAME they're "best known" by isn't The Justice League - it's The Superfriends :)

honestdiscussioner:
Bob,
Loki gets arrested on purpose, basically so he can steal the cosmic cube. When everyone is away, he retrieves his weapon and the cube, and uses it to escape. The thing(s) in the sky everyone is looking at probably isn't Loki himself, but perhaps something Loki had pretty much ready to go except for the missing Cosmic Cube.

Further, there isn't enough information to assume that Loki has been 'arrested' at all. He gives Scarlett a creepy stalker look, so he might just be throwing illusions into the HQ to have some fun with them. He's Loki, and all, that's the kind of thing Loki would do.

That's something we saw him do a lot of in Thor, now that I think about it.

Well I think it's safe to say the vastly better version of this trailer is below


/shamless plug

rayen020:
Okay i'll agree the Xmen are the top, but the justice league is second by a long way, IMO. They've been around on TV for our parents, us and depending on your age our kids. The JL is well ingrained into the public conscious.

MovieBob:
The Justice League is the best known superhero team by far; it's just that the NAME they're "best known" by isn't The Justice League - it's The Superfriends :)

Oh yeah, the Superfriends I vaguely remember that one from way back.

Maybe it's my local situation. The JLA cartoon never aired in The Netherlands (so they aren't on tv for anyone slightly younger than me and beyond), I had to download that thing (Superfriends did though, see above). But I really think the difference between the US and Europe is massive when it comes to these things. You people mostly don't know who Asterix is (as evidenced by Stuttering Craig in a short on an Asterix game in a horrible way at one point), whereas everybody does over here and I do mean everybody.

Even among my rather geeky friends the name Wonder Woman makes most go "who was that again?" Most have trouble keeping the DC and Marvel characters apart. Every random passer-by on the street has some vague notion of what the X-Men are though.

But apart from my local situation I must really stress that Superhero comics are a uniquely American invention, a point which Bob missed completely back in that episode where he defended Superman walking around in the US flag by posing that every country probably has a character like that. They don't. They really don't. Unless you count Asterix, Bryant the Brigand (horribly translated name) and a couple more like those. The cultural difference in outlook on comics is extremely big. Holland's most persisting comic series is Jan, Jans en de Kinderen, we're talking about a family comic that rose to prominence from the back page of a women's lifestyle magazine. Can you imagine that in the US?

And as an aside:
Loki looks rather snarky as he is escorted past the heroes. Looks like he gets arrested half way through the movie and they probably need him to solve a bigger problem.

*double-post, move down....*

rayen020:

Vortigar:

rayen020:

Looking at the bigger picture, is anyone kinda surprised that the avengers, i have to say it, the second most well known superhero team is getting a movie before the most well known superhero team, the justice league?

I think you'll find the most well known team is the X-Men.

The rest is leagues behind them to the point where trying to figure out who is no 2 is rather much a moot point.

The general public really doesn't know. Especially outside the US.

Okay i'll agree the Xmen are the top, but the justice league is second by a long way, IMO. They've been around on TV for our parents, us and depending on your age our kids. The JL is well ingrained into the public conscious.

Yeah, but the problem with that is Chris Nolan, believe it or not.

As long as Nolan is running his Dark Knight trilogy and insisting that Batman stay as realistic and believable as possible, we're very unlikely to see the current movie incarnation of the Dark Knight meet up with Superman from the upcoming filmThe Man of Steel[1] at the end of The Dark Knight Rises to arrange the formation of a team.

Reinforcing this is Bale's similarly lunkheaded commitment to a realistic portrayal, extending to his threat that he would leave even if Robin was introduced to the current film series.

On top of this is the fact that the Nolanverse is now thoroughly ingrained in the public and critical conciousness, thanks to the great first film and the phenominally popular and well-recieved second film.

So, to put it bluntly, a JL film is probably only going to happen without Nolan and/or Christian Bale on board, and switching out a now-popular and well-loved version of the character for, at the very least, the same one with a different actor just wouldn't go over that well with the general public. The only way we'll see a JL film is if they start again a few years down the line, although with the aforementioned upcoming Superman title and the fact that we'd all love to see a reboot of Green Lantern since the original was shit, that doesn't seem too far-fetched.

It's just, that Batman problem again. He's going to be the main draw of anything like this, and switching out Nolan's version for a new one just wouldnt work too well unless the planets were perfectly aligned. I'd love to see another take on the big bad bat, but it probably won't work out if it goes ahead.

So yeah, at this rate the only way we'll see a good JL film is if Nolan and Bale (and anyone else with similar obsessions with "realism") drop the pretentious attitude and give it a fair old whack, an unfortunately unlikely scenario.

Oh, and like I said, they'd have to reboot Green Lantern like they're doing with Superman just now.

SimGrave:
I have a question about continuity for you Bob, or anyone who has an answer.
At the end of Incredible Hulk with Ed Norton, Nick Fury talks with General Ross.
Leading us to believe that Fury wants Ross on board, not Hulk
In the Avengers' trailer, it's clearly Hulk, Bruce Banner that is part of the team, not Ross.
(yeah I know, that's how it is in the comics, but I'm talking about the movies here)
Why is that? As far as I know, there wasn't any closure between Banner and Ross.
Do you think that it'll be explained, or just ignored?

Maybe they get Ross to use his resources to find and capture Hulk. y'know, kind of a "if you do the capturing for us, we'll take care of The Hulk and ensure that you guys don't have to mobilise just to stop him accidentally killing innocent people" deal. That'd make sense.

[1] Yup, I'm aware he's producing this film, but I'm not sure if that makes it more or less likely to see a JL film

Darn - with all the action I was really hoping this thing would be produced and directed by Michael Bay! ;)

From behind, left-to-right: Bruce Banner, Black Widow and Captain America. Probably safe to assume these interiors are The Helicarrier, a flying aircraft carrier SHIELD uses because... well, if you had one wouldn't you?

hell yeah! I remember seeing it in the Iron Man 2 game (which was...surprisingly entertaining) and was like "man this is so cool"

I like how Thor's "hanging around outfit" is basically "ditch the cape."

LOL hilarious. as are many other points here.

still, I gotta say that the teaser did its job. the music fit to give it a fast paced edge and all, but I do agree on something more suitably grand and epic for the full trailer? I dunno, this IS the ultimate assembly that Marvel and fans have been dreaming of :D

I'm glad I'm not the only person who was irritated by the music. It seemed incredibly out of place, and wrong for a reason that i can't quite put my finger on.

I really hope we don't just get another 'evil Loki'. He's my favourite god, dammit! It's him and Hades against the world, just because the shiny gods like Thor don't appreciate them...

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