The Complete Bastard's Guide To Journalism

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Anyone for this is insane, and not in a good way.
Well, at least Satan seems to want nothing to do with this.

-_- Good lord, help us all....

Edit: Wait a minute. "Another goat"? Are these the same people who inspired the last one of these "Evil Bastards of journalism" comics?

AC10:

Izanagi009:
I clicked on the link and that was one of the worst pieces of Journalism I have ever seen.

Kickstarter is not meant to fund gossip sites and give money to dealers, it's to fund projects that would not see the light of day under normal circumstances

It's on Indiegogo. Kickstarter only let's Americans and the British use it.

Thank you for the clarification but it still is a horrible idea and one that ruins the reputation of crowd-funding

RJ 17:

OT: Seriously...they're publically announcing they intend to give crack dealers 200K...annnnnnnnd there's absolutely no legal problems with this? I know weed isn't looked on as harshly in Canada as it is in the US, but crack? And if the mayor actually does know these people...can't he have them arrested? Because...you know...they're frickin' crack dealers...

Ah, but they aren't giving them money for crack, the money is to purchase a video. There's nothing illegal about that. If they were giving them the money for crack... they could probably run for mayor.

Izanagi009:

AC10:

Izanagi009:
I clicked on the link and that was one of the worst pieces of Journalism I have ever seen.

Kickstarter is not meant to fund gossip sites and give money to dealers, it's to fund projects that would not see the light of day under normal circumstances

It's on Indiegogo. Kickstarter only let's Americans and the British use it.

Thank you for the clarification but it still is a horrible idea and one that ruins the reputation of crowd-funding

Yup! But as someone who lives in southern Ontario and loves Toronto I'd be incredibly eager to see Rob Ford out of office. He is ruining the city.

Hi Gawker, nice to meet you. I keep hearing about you and I don't know whether I should punch you or shun you.

Also, I think Satan is bored of your goat sacrifices and wants some variety in life. Maybe next time you can sacrifice your magazine collection or your credit card, Gawker

You know, this means someone at Gawker either smokes crack themselves or is very deep in the crack smoking/dealing community themselves. How else did they find out that crack dealers had this video? Very classy, them and and people who've given them 74 grand so far.

DanielG:

RJ 17:

OT: Seriously...they're publically announcing they intend to give crack dealers 200K...annnnnnnnd there's absolutely no legal problems with this? I know weed isn't looked on as harshly in Canada as it is in the US, but crack? And if the mayor actually does know these people...can't he have them arrested? Because...you know...they're frickin' crack dealers...

Ah, but they aren't giving them money for crack, the money is to purchase a video. There's nothing illegal about that. If they were giving them the money for crack... they could probably run for mayor.

I'd imagine they could be roped in as accomplices for essentially funding the start-up of a crack-ring in some other city, as that's what these dealers say they intend to use the money for. But then again I don't really care enough about this to delve in much further, so I don't particularly care even if I'm wrong.

Not only is someone engaging in chequebook journalism, they're publicly asking for the money to do so.

What?

It's to pay for evidence of an actual, (presumably) criminal act that's in the public interest.

What?

It's to pay dealers of a particularly addictive drug.

What?

No one lacks integrity to this level. This is just a particularly cynical part of my subconscious messing with a lucid dream.

Wait, I'm awake? Stop the world! I wanna get off! I can't make myself bitter and cynical enough to cope with it any more.

The degenerates line genuinely made me crack up for a good 5 minutes. I seem to be easily amused.

OT: the kind of stuff I read this strip for, loving it

The Gawker empire sucks so much, I honestly can't believe it exists the way it does.

Wait, wait, wait, is this strip a condemnation of Gawker for writing about the mayor of Toronto, the mayor himself, both? I heard about the mayor being busted for crack from the Daily Show, where their Canadian correspondents just went to town with that story.

Gennadios:
You guys are missing the grand karmic point of this whole thing.

The teenage crack dealers will likely end up losing the money in a matter of months, whether to drug busts, misspent bling, or cars. They really won't be gaining all that much in the long run.

The alleged government official on the other hand is a potential pompous hypocrite who built his life through shrewd understanding and manipulation of his finances and social savvy. This man will suffer from such a leak. It'll be like shining a light on a cockroach.

Now, I personally wouldn't dedicate my own money to such a cause, but I applaud anyone willing to.

Wait, we're talking about Rob Ford here, aren't we?

That really reminded me of the pilot of Siento Onii San.
Jesus: To show your appreciation we brought you a goat.
Landlord: Um... We don't allow pets.
Jesus (heard from behind a door): Saint Peter, what should we do? She doesn't want the goat.

OT:
Yeah Mayor Crack Smoke (I thought I had a better name for him).
I mean, having pictures of the video and testimony and everything for an article is one thing, but giving a ton of money to crack dealers is a really bad idea.

Zachary Amaranth:
Silly Daystar. You can't kill a cheeseburger.

Well, I think if you can kill underpants, you can sacrifice a cheeseburger.

Truth be told, I find this to be true for most Kickstarters. Mind you, there are some really good ones for the right causes but on the other hand, a majority of them are just in it for the money. I mean, it's pretty much free thus the likelyhood of you getting away with it is pretty high (even though karma always comes around.)

Tono Makt:

Gennadios:
You guys are missing the grand karmic point of this whole thing.

The teenage crack dealers will likely end up losing the money in a matter of months, whether to drug busts, misspent bling, or cars. They really won't be gaining all that much in the long run.

The alleged government official on the other hand is a potential pompous hypocrite who built his life through shrewd understanding and manipulation of his finances and social savvy. This man will suffer from such a leak. It'll be like shining a light on a cockroach.

Now, I personally wouldn't dedicate my own money to such a cause, but I applaud anyone willing to.

Wait, we're talking about Rob Ford here, aren't we?

Ok, I know how the above statement sounds, but Toronto did vote the guy in as mayor. There must be something there.

Izanagi009:
Kickstarter is not meant to fund gossip sites and give money to dealers, it's to fund projects that would not see the light of day under normal circumstances

Or in this case, the "dark of night".

Gennadios:

Ok, I know how the above statement sounds, but Toronto did vote the guy in as mayor. There must be something there.

Well, he's proof that when people decide to vote someone in based on their being an exemplar for all their most negative feelings ("they're all crooks and cheats", "everybody is trying to rip me off", "there's not a single honest person out there (except me)", "why should I help anyone? nobody helps me", "everybody is out to get me"), you get exactly the sort of outcome you would expect.

But yeah, he certainly embodies exactly what a large number of voters were feeling.

I'm a little surprised that this made it's way here frankly.

Rob Ford, Mayor of Toronto is a petty small minded excuse for a miserable human being. Having said that, the news outlets that have talked about this supposed video and expect the public to believe them sight unseen are far worse right now. This is the worst kind of smut journalism I have yet seen. And I have seen a lot of bad journalism. As I posted on yahoo it like if I had seen a video of someone murdering someone else. I report the murder and the murderer and am asked well where is the video? I don't have it and I don't know. But I saw it, there is no body but i saw it so do something.

Apparently the source of the video, if it even existed in the first place have disappeared.

I expect massive conspiracy theories from both sides of this debacle and Ford will still be in the mayor's seat after it's over.

The Star and Gawker both should be ashamed of themselves for reporting this without the evidence to back it up.

Wow...what the F**k...I'm sorry...but after reading what the kickstarter is doing (literally funding crack dealers), I must say that those people are F**KING STUPID! for funding that kickstarter and the other idiots who started it in the first place.

Gennadios:
You guys are missing the grand karmic point of this whole thing.

The teenage crack dealers will likely end up losing the money in a matter of months, whether to drug busts, misspent bling, or cars. They really won't be gaining all that much in the long run.

The alleged government official on the other hand is a potential pompous hypocrite who built his life through shrewd understanding and manipulation of his finances and social savvy. This man will suffer from such a leak. It'll be like shining a light on a cockroach.

Now, I personally wouldn't dedicate my own money to such a cause, but I applaud anyone willing to.

Now I admit i don't know mister Ford or have followed his mayor-ship, but it seems to me that unless his last name rhymes with 'Mitler' then funding crack dealers, who will most likely use the money to deal more crack, seems an extreme move. Especially since most cockroaches just find a way to scurry away when the light hits them.

And even if the man is such a massive asshole that the crack dealers are the lesser of two evils and the video is so damning that it will definitely bring him to justice then one must wonder here why doesn't Gawker just pay for the video themselves?

I'm pretty sure the dealers can be negotiated down if they down have 200G's and surely the anonymity of the source would make the video all the more damning, plus they would avoid the public backlash from funding crack dealers. But no, Gawker apparently thinks the video isn't worth their own money but they'll gladly risk your's on the off chance that this is legit.

Kickstarter needs to put in some standards for their project. just some simple things really would greatly improve this sorry world. No fortune five hundred companies, nothing that's already subsidized by the government and no funding for crack dealers. Next thing you know the Mafia is gonna ask the internet to fund a snitch hunt.

Kapol:

Zachary Amaranth:
Silly Daystar. You can't kill a cheeseburger.

Well, I think if you can kill underpants, you can sacrifice a cheeseburger.

Underwear has a soul, cheeseburgers don't.

I read it on Wikipedia.

ThunderCavalier:
wat

Just... wat

I'm so confused right now.

same, I feel retarded. What's going on.

Edit: Nothing to see here, move along.

Zachary Amaranth:

Kapol:

Zachary Amaranth:
Silly Daystar. You can't kill a cheeseburger.

Well, I think if you can kill underpants, you can sacrifice a cheeseburger.

Underwear has a soul, cheeseburgers don't.

I read it on Wikipedia.

Then it must be true.

OT: Sometimes I forget that there are such strange tabloids out there in the world. The only ones I ever remember actually exist are The Daily Mail and Kotaku, because they're always brought up around here. >.>

Grey Carter:
Snip

You have to have lived in Toronto to understand.

Mr.Tea:

AC10:
Kickstarter only let's Americans and the British use it.

I really wish I knew where that conceit comes from, 'cause this isn't the first time I've heard this... Anyways, it's wrong; there are no inherent geographical restrictions whatsoever on Kickstarter. The only mention of it in their ToS is:

Kickstarter ToS:
International:
Accessing the Service is prohibited from territories where the Content is illegal. If you access the Service from other locations, you do so at your own initiative and are responsible for compliance with local laws.

For a well-known, non-US/UK project example: Dreamfall Chapters. Red Thread Games. Oslo, Norway.

Then there's the front page where they list 10 populare cities projects come from and while it's true that 90% of it is US cities, the 10th one is Montreal, Canada.

Also on the front page right now is a project from Donaueschingen, Germany and one from Ljubljana, Slovenia.
Edit: Nevermind those. The guys are doing it from within the US, even though one of them will ship you backer rewards from Bulgaria, for some fucking reason. Still, Dreamfall and the many projects from Montreal should be proof enough that it works.

Why, from this page good sir:
http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/creator%20questions#WhoIsEligToStarAKickProj

Who is eligible to start a Kickstarter project?

To be eligible to start a Kickstarter project as a US creator, you need to meet the following requirements:

-You are 18 years of age or older.*
-You are a permanent US resident with a Social Security Number (or EIN).
-You have a US address, US bank account, and US state-issued ID (driver's license).
-You have a major US credit or debit card.

To start a project as a UK creator, you need to meet these requirements:

-You are 18 years of age or older.*
-You are a permanent UK resident either creating a project in your own name or on behalf of a legal entity with a Companies House Number.
-You have a UK address, UK bank account, and government-issued ID (driver's license or passport).
-You have a major UK credit or debit card.

*Parents and teachers can launch projects in collaboration with children under 18 only if the adult registers for the Kickstarter and payments accounts and is in charge of running the project itself.

Most bigger groups are able to setup a US mailing address, get a credit card and use an incorporated entity within the US as a "permanent US resident" or have someone there claim their residency. Individuals, however, don't have the resources to do this.

It's worth nothing, there are no other "project options" to pick from. You can either pick a US or a UK one, nothing else is available.

AC10:
Snip

Well, fuck me... They are huge assholes after all. I guess seeing dozens of projects right next to me and a whole lot "More from Canada", as the site tells me, misled the hell out of me. I hate this regional bollocks so much I have to remember to breathe.

Ranting tangent: Just yesterday I got an email from Nvidia announcing the GTX 780 and offering me entry into a sweepstakes.

"Cool!" I thought,
"I hope it's not US-only" and it wasn't!

Official rules listed a whole slew of countries: US, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Finland, Czech Republic, Australia, China, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, India, Brazil and Canada. This shit spans the entire planet, but a ton of countries are still excluded. Why some of the EU but not all of it? Why Brazil and not the rest of SA? Why US/Canada and not Mexico? But most egregious of all, were these parentheses next to Canada: "(Excluding the Province of Quebec)" ...Motherfuckers.

On the internet, there are no borders and global shipping is exceedingly simple these days; Get with it, assholes!

Mr.Tea:

AC10:
Snip

Well, fuck me... They are huge assholes after all. I guess seeing dozens of projects right next to me and a whole lot "More from Canada", as the site tells me, misled the hell out of me. I hate this regional bollocks so much I have to remember to breathe.

Ranting tangent: Just yesterday I got an email from Nvidia announcing the GTX 780 and offering me entry into a sweepstakes.

"Cool!" I thought,
"I hope it's not US-only" and it wasn't!

Official rules listed a whole slew of countries: US, UK, Germany, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Finland, Czech Republic, Australia, China, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, India, Brazil and Canada. This shit spans the entire planet, but a ton of countries are still excluded. Why some of the EU but not all of it? Why Brazil and not the rest of SA? Why US/Canada and not Mexico? But most egregious of all, were these parentheses next to Canada: "(Excluding the Province of Quebec)" ...Motherfuckers.

On the internet, there are no borders and global shipping is exceedingly simple these days; Get with it, assholes!

I'm with you, Brother!
We could at the very goddamn least have regional restrictions and release dates removed from digital items. This could be out of every digital distribution system by tomorrow if they wanted it. Instead companies are still pretending this is the 80s.

This is the internet age. I can have a phone conversation with live video with anyone on the planet (who has the required hardware and internet). They put that in the Jetsons because it seemed like far off crazy future-tech, but here we are. I'm posting to forums visible to anyone on the world at the same time; and you're going to tell me it really takes Dr. Who 6 months to release in NA? That hollywood movies actually have to be released 2 weeks later in Europe?

I know companies aren't ready for this yet, but digital goods don't need to be shipped. They can be distributed for basically 0 cost, and that can be instantaneous. We should be embracing these capabilities not fighting them!

*reads link*
Wow, you weren't kidding, Grey. That's the most ridiculous thing I've read this week, and I've been reading about the Xbox One reveal.

BaZING!!!!

......

yeah, that wasn't funny at all.

The Gentleman:

DVS BSTrD:
I didn't know goats kept ALL their blood in their throats.

Satan: WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP SENDING ME GOATS!?! DO THEY THINK I FUCK THEM OR SOMETHING? I've got succubi for that!

Well, we used to make some pretty good shwarma, but the guy who cooks it is on a thousand year vacation, so we don't really need the meat anymore...

yeah, its always shawarma now since the avengers

no love for doner kebab anymore..

Who reads Gawker media stuff? Jezebel? Nope.

"$200,000 to crack dealers" I know some shady ass stuff goes on behind the scenes in journalism all the time but up-front stating your murky intentions then putting them on indie-gogo shows a real lack of taste, subtlety and any shred of sense.

Many tabloids or even a more reputable news outlet have had to pay some pretty unpleasant people to break important stories but they knew that what they were doing was morally dubious enough not to fucking crowd-fund.

My random thoughts:

No other media outlet, even the ones with the scratch, is touching these guys with a ten foot pole. Is this not ample warning to Gawker and their victibackers of how fantastically bad an idea this is?

Also, when Indiegogo's weekly e-mail headlined this... er... "effort", my opinion of them dropped into the basement. Though to be fair I only read the subject line before disgust overtook me; maybe the text of the e-mail was them vocally denouncing the idea as the worst one they've ever hosted.

Somehow, though, I doubt it.

Ah yes, we truly live in the age of crowdsourcing. This whole thing has just made me giggle from a distance.

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