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conservative
A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in politics.

liberal
Adjective:
A person who is open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

I'm not really a political person. Personally I believe that discussing politics and religion are good ways to loose respect with nearly everyone. But the reason why I'm asking now is because I just realized I didn't really know what either of those words really meant without looking it up just now on google.

If you asked me though, I'd probably say I was neither.

I'm not a liberal because I don't believe we should just keep changing. Ideals and technology change by the decade, and what may seem like a good idea then will just look stupid now. Plus most Liberals that I've had the "pleasure" of meeting seem radical and anarchist.

Conservatives are... well

Any ways, just thought I'd voice my thoughts. Although I don't think too much about internet opinions. You guys are just always so cynical and unreal.

Conservative. You should work hard and earn your money. It shouldn't be given to you.

Hmm, this seems very much like flamebait. I'm quite staunchly left of centre, I'm not going to get into why and I'm not going to engage in any pointless and platitudinous exchange about the faults/benefits of either alignment, nobody is going to budge an inch from their perspectives and quite frankly my knowledge/understanding of politics is rather rudimentary at best and I'm betting I'll be one of the few to actually admit that. >.>

Neither, Libertarian
A person who values personal freedom and holds individual liberty as the basic moral principle of society.

mrhateful:
Neither, Libertarian
A person who values personal freedom and holds individual liberty as the basic moral principle of society.

So what is it you want to see the most in society? What changes do you want to see in government and social interaction?

R

tehpiemaker:

mrhateful:
Neither, Libertarian
A person who values personal freedom and holds individual liberty as the basic moral principle of society.

So what is it you want to see the most in society? What changes do you want to see in government and social interaction?

Removal of all laws which limit peoples freedoms, where those freedoms doesn't limit other peoples freedoms.

For instance slavery would be a freedom that limited someone else's freedom so that law would stay.
While anti smoking laws/taxes would be a freedom which did not limit other peoples freedoms, so that would get removed, including drug laws etc.

Welfare systems which transfers wealth from one person to another is also a case where some person gain financial freedom at the cost of another's financial freedom so those would get removed as well.

This would all results in a very limited government which allowed its citizens great freedom to grow technological, making them able to invent and discover everything from the cure to a disease to a new form of entertainment.

So basically everything that made America great(before they turned socialists).

Mixed.
I'd hate to say I'm in either camp, but I'll probably go with 'liberal' just because the current faces of 'conservatism' tend to be crazy bigots.

I think sometimes conservative is the way to go, and sometimes liberal. To intentionally "be" one or the other regardless of what is the best choice in that situation is just stupid. I understand people tend to naturally be one or the other, but lately people seem to think of it as some sort of allegiance in which they are the "good guys" and the opposition are the "bad guys." And that sort of thinking just sickens me. How are we supposed to get anything done if all of our political arguments boil down to "But they're not us! They're the bad guys!"

A-pa-the-tic. I used to care, but then everyone I wanted to vote for got about 2% of the votes in primaries, and the person I ended up voting for turned out to be a (surprise!) liar. But between the do-nothing Senate and House, the politicians who tell you what you want to hear so we never know what the fuck to believe, and the fact that this Republican vs Democrat dichotomy is a rut we're doomed to stay stuck in, I just find my time and energy best spent in areas where I might actually be able to make a difference.

Independent, myself.
I say so because I've no idea at the moment, and since I do not plan on being a politician, I do not think I ever will have a proper understanding of the intricacies of a modern government.

I'm a liberal conservative

Behold the false dichotomy the average American is enslaved by and despair.

Statelessness is what I support. Not to be confused with anarchism however; I do think law to be necessary. For a more detailed explanation of how a stateless society would operate, read this http://paxsurrexi.info/?page_id=62 Then if your still interested, this: http://fringeelements.info/FAEG

It's very difficult to make these kinds of threads when you're talking to an international community. A conservative in France almost would almost certainly be a liberal in the United States. Are you talking about political parties? Because again, even the conservative party in Canada is considerably further left than the Republicans in the United States, and Canada and the US are very close allies.

In Canada I'm a liberal Conservative, what many call a progressive conservative. In the US, I'm a Democratic who think's that both parties are a bit nuts and that partisanism is destroying the country. If I were to go to England, I would probably vote conservative. It's better to ask people what their views on certain political and economic issues are or to descrive their political views.

I for one am firmly in favor of individual rights but believe certain collective rights are nessisary. I distrust large organizations such as political parties and corperation, and while I very firmly believe the individual should have as much freedom as possible I believe that the power of corporations should be curbed to ensure competition and transparency. I believe strongly in the free market but I won't shy away from intervention, and I'll gladly pay to ensure someone's basic human needs are met but I'm loathe to pay for someone else's luxury.

Libertarian.

Trying to define where that is on the "liberal-consertive" line is a work in frustration, and maybe shows that the political spectrum isn't as linear as people think.

Also, why isn't this in the R&P section?

I am independent. As in Independent from the shallow "left or right" dichotomy. What ever works works.

Choppaduel:
Behold the false dichotomy the average person is enslaved by and despair.

Statelessness is what I support. Not to be confused with anarchism however; I do think law to be necessary. For a more detailed explanation of how a stateless society would operate, read this http://fringeelements.info/FAEG

It doesn't sound that different from Libertarianism after skimming through it, what is the primary differences between the two idiologies?

Hey, I wasn't aware that all conservatives are bigots. Thanks, OP. I would've never known that I hate gay people if you hadn't told me. I thought I didn't mind my gay mom at all despite being fiscally conservative, but apparently I want her to burn in hell, which I apparently am very certain is a real place.

Independent, with Conservative leanings.

On one hand, I like the liberal social policy, but on the other, finances don't work that way. I'd be a pretty ineffectual leader, methinks...

Individualist. I dont care about anyone or anything and I dont give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about me.

Simple fact is political viewpoints are irrelevant and useless tools of the power elite to dupe the ignorant masses into thinking they have some sort of measure of control or say in their lives.

There is no liberal, there is no conservative, there is no libertarianism. All there has ever been is those who have the power, those who incorrectly think they have some power and those who know they are completely powerless. We are all just rats in a maze, the only thing that really separates us is the size of the cage we are allowed to play in.

EDIT: as it relates to voting, I refuse to vote because when you vote given the current state of politics and government all your doing is saying "Yes, I approve of how this isnt working, so please by all means continue" and providing credence to a broken system. Really? Why should I waste my time and energy when it can be better spent not giving a shit?

i vote for who i think will do the best job in running the country on the world stage. last election here in australia i voted for the liberals, who are centre right instead of the ALP who are centre left (although recently both parties have moved closer together). now those who read my posts in the R&P forums would probably know i am a social democrat... the ALPs ideolgy on wiki is described as social democracy. i however i did not vote for them in 2010 and i did not vote for them in 2007 because i thought that the liberals would have done a better job economically, and the difference in other areas were not as much of a concern.

Liberal through and through. Well, mostly through and through.

To the point of where I can't understand conservative views. The way I see it, if you take a predominantly conservative stand on politics today, you are fine with everything in the country. Always a way to improve.

I'm conservative on the whole, but probably not viewed as such by some of my mainstream conservative friends. In Australia I am probably on the left economically and socially (although not on every issue) of my political party, which is Conservative (The Liberal Party of Australia). I am, however, a member of that party, regardless of the current extremity of their ideological position. I take a long-term view.

I believe in freedom: free markets, free people, free ideas. I also believe in universal health care and the addition of free dental care (from an economic efficiency point of view). At times these concepts of freedom conflict. Living with the conflict between paying taxes for services one needs, and not wanting to pay taxes for services one doesn't need, is part of getting older. The more tax you pay, the less you like people getting a free ride off your money. This is natural. The less tax you pay, the less you are concerned for those who do pay more tax. However, if people are healthy, they will pay more tax (on the whole). Reducing public healthcare is therefore self-defeating. I am largely in favour of practicality in debate, and am mostly uninterested in theoretical positions, which are often (but not always, depending on the forum) mere intellectual posing to my ears.

In America I would be between Clinton and Bush Senior, either left of the Republicans or more likely right of the Democrats. My political compass puts me around the Obama level.

Not G. Ivingname:

Choppaduel:
Behold the false dichotomy the average American is enslaved by and despair.

Statelessness is what I support. Not to be confused with anarchism however; I do think law to be necessary. For a more detailed explanation of how a stateless society would operate, read this http://paxsurrexi.info/?page_id=62 Then if your still interested, this: http://fringeelements.info/FAEG

It doesn't sound that different from Libertarianism after skimming through it, what is the primary differences between the two idiologies?

I've updated the post I made; found some better introductory material.

Onto your question. The difference, in short, is democracy. In a stateless society, the philosophy espoused by liberatians cannot simply be voted away by a group of statists.

Also, there would be more than one legal agency for an individual to subscribe to. In other words, no organisation would have a monopoly on law. This means that legal agencies must meet the demands of subscribers in order to be competitive. Where as a state can make up what ever laws it wants and its citizens can either "love it or leave it."

This is just a scratch on the surface; I don't have nearly enough energy to explain all the facets of statelessness; fortunately, its all explained in the links in my post.

You do realize that political views exist outside of the United States, right? And that there are countless more views than the american version of Liberal and Conservative, which by the way have completely different meanings in the rest of the world. US politics are fucked up at the core. The things people say and think...congress is a joke, a very scary one at that...

Anyway, I'm a Swedish Social Democrat. If I were to describe my ideology, I would say this:
I believe in a society in which the weight of your wallet has as little influence on your opportunities in life as possible. A society which holds values above value.

I picked liberal. I've never understood why the term 'liberal' is such a slur in some parts of America. It's just... normal in the most of Europe (From what I have personally seen in the parts of Europe I've visited, which is quite a lot.)

I also find it hilarious how America's "left" party (Democrats) seem to be so far right of the UK Conservative party that I'd be skating on the edge of Godwin's law if I took this analogy further.

But yeh. Liberal.

Acrisius:
You do realize that political views exist outside of the United States, right? And that there are countless more views than the american version of Liberal and Conservative, which by the way have completely different meanings in the rest of the world. US politics are fucked up at the core. The things people say and think...congress is a joke, a very scary one at that...

Anyway, I'm a Swedish Social Democrat. If I were to describe my ideology, I would say this:
I believe in a society in which the weight of your pocket has as little influence on your opportunities in life as possible. A society which holds values above value.

Exactly (As in, I would probably be part of the Social Democrats here, but they merged with the Liberals to form the helpless LibDems. Also, I agree on US politics being fucked)

Although considering the Lib Dems, It'd be interesting to see how the American media/political establishment/people would react to being in a "special relationship" with a country led by dirty liberal commie fags or whatever it would be that Bill O'Rielly would spew at us...

While I like to think of myself as more of a neutral person I pry would fall more into the Liberal area. I mainly try to stay neutral though so I don't have to pick sides.

It's also interesting to note that out of the two big parties here in Australia, the one that appeals most closely to the American idea of a Conservative is actually called the Liberal party. Mind you, that's probably more because the Liberal part of their philosophy is actually neo-liberal, which is exactly the ideology the Republican party seems to support. Liberal in the economy and Conservative on social issues, is how the Republicans have always seemed to me.

Regardless, I'm liberal, left-wing, socialist, the term seems to differ depending on who you talk to, but you get the picture. And I agree that America's most "liberal" party is thoroughly Conservative by the standards of pretty much any other nation on the planet. I always feel a bit sad that Australia seems to want to emulate the USA rather than Europe.

tehpiemaker:
conservative
You guys are just always so cynical and unreal.

There's no socialist option, and the interpretation of the two things you mentioned there is not entirely correct. Here's the rundown in broad terms:

Conservatives believe in gradual change or reversals of it in some cases, they vary greatly but can be found in any society, at any stage of development.

Liberals tend to favour the free market, individual liberty and human rights.

Socialists favour economic equality.

Most people tend to favour stances between these, I'm a social liberal. I favour change for the better, and a humane but workable economy. I've experienced the benefits of it first hand and I feel it is something coming generations should benefit from as well.

neither, im a socialist

Baradiel:
I picked liberal. I've never understood why the term 'liberal' is such a slur in some parts of America. It's just... normal in the most of Europe (From what I have personally seen in the parts of Europe I've visited, which is quite a lot.)

I also find it hilarious how America's "left" party (Democrats) seem to be so far right of the UK Conservative party that I'd be skating on the edge of Godwin's law if I took this analogy further.

But yeh. Liberal.

If you read my post above yours, you'll see that I mention this.

The reason is that though the US has historically had a unique position to develop a differently compared to the rest of the world. Geographical and ideological differences are the cause. For example, the Republicans were once considered "liberal" and the the Democrats were once considered "conservative". It's funny that way. I could try to describe it more, because it's obviously very complicated, but I won't. I'd have to go back and look at my notes from class from over a year ago, and the wall of text would be simply epic.

However, the interesting thing about the Conservatives and the Liberals in the US is that they both actually subscribe to the ideas of Liberalism. The Conservatives are on the Neo-liberal side of the spectrum, while the Liberals are more on the Social-liberalist side. By conventional definition however, they are both Liberalist and right-wing. So really, there's no such thing as a "left" in the United States. Only "left by comparison", at most.

Also I truly despise 2-party systems...

Azahul:
It's also interesting to note that out of the two big parties here in Australia, the one that appeals most closely to the American idea of a Conservative is actually called the Liberal party. Mind you, that's probably more because the Liberal part of their philosophy is actually neo-liberal, which is exactly the ideology the Republican party seems to support. Liberal in the economy and Conservative on social issues, is how the Republicans have always seemed to me.

Regardless, I'm liberal, left-wing, socialist, the term seems to differ depending on who you talk to, but you get the picture. And I agree that America's most "liberal" party is thoroughly Conservative by the standards of pretty much any other nation on the planet. I always feel a bit sad that Australia seems to want to emulate the USA rather than Europe.

Istvan:

tehpiemaker:
conservative
You guys are just always so cynical and unreal.

There's no socialist option, and the interpretation of the two things you mentioned there is not entirely correct. Here's the rundown in broad terms:

Conservatives believe in gradual change or reversals of it in some cases, they vary greatly but can be found in any society, at any stage of development.

Liberals tend to favour the free market, individual liberty and human rights.

Socialists favour economic equality.

Most people tend to favour stances between these, I'm a social liberal. I favour change for the better, and a humane but workable economy. I've experienced the benefits of it first hand and I feel it is something coming generations should benefit from as well.

See above :)

I've always ridden a little right of center. I'm not conservative persay, but I strongly believe in my right to bear arms. That's been enough to change my vote in more than a few cases. There are other things I tend to lean right in as well; I think you should earn your own money, that capitalism is a good thing (although it does need some regulation), that hard work is extremely important and that I shouldn't have to support you if you're not going to work yourself. However, I know there are exceptions to those rules and I'm more than willing to pay taxes that are needed in order to keep the country running and maintain a high standard of living. So, economically I tend to lean right. As far as human rights and all that jazz goes, however, I tend to lean more left. I strongly believe that gay marriage should be legal (hell, I believe that the government has no right dictating anything about marriage except for tax purposes. Marriage is at its core a religious ceremony, and therefore shouldn't be governed at all by the government. That presents problems of its own though, as would any sort of change), that abortion is a choice that should be left to the would-be mother and not some religious nuts, that stem cell research is an extraordinarily promising field and a good thing, even if the stem cells come from eggs (hell, where else would those eggs go if they didn't go towards research anyway?)...

Now that I think about it, I'm essentially conservative except for the religious aspects of it. That's not to say religions are bad by any means; tons of good comes from church charities and work the put in to the community across the nation. However, when it goes too far it goes too far, and I'm constantly surprised by what some people see as acceptable, logical, or moral. But I could say some of the same things for many liberals too.

Also, I'm from the States, and are using terms relative to my country. I know they vary and are not necessarily the most accurate, but it's 2am and I don't feel like thinking all that much. Forgive me.

viranimus:
Individualist. I dont care about anyone or anything and I dont give a flying fuck what anyone thinks about me.

Simple fact is political viewpoints are irrelevant and useless tools of the power elite to dupe the ignorant masses into thinking they have some sort of measure of control or say in their lives.

There is no liberal, there is no conservative, there is no libertarianism. All there has ever been is those who have the power, those who incorrectly think they have some power and those who know they are completely powerless. We are all just rats in a maze, the only thing that really separates us is the size of the cage we are allowed to play in.

EDIT: as it relates to voting, I refuse to vote because when you vote given the current state of politics and government all your doing is saying "Yes, I approve of how this isnt working, so please by all means continue" and providing credence to a broken system. Really? Why should I waste my time and energy when it can be better spent not giving a shit?

you have successfully switched between Rand and Marx in one post, well done i wasnt sure it could be done

but in terms of votingm while your idea is good on the surface youve just left your self with out a say at the end of the day

DeadSp8s:
Conservative. You should work hard and earn your money. It shouldn't be given to you.

PLEASE, EVERYBODY READ THIS FIRST!That's a political and economic standpoint, not a socialogical one. If somebody asks you if you're a liberal or a conservative, and your response involves the word "democrat" or "republical", you're doing it wrong. Okay, now read the rest at your own discretion.

The term Liberal and Conservative, as it relates to socialogical issues, means, respectively, Con or Pro the current status quo. Current conservatives (Ie, recent standing conservative values) cover things such as homophobia, strict christian doctrine and pro white power. So, in the example of American sociology, liberalism is typically being for one's personal freedoms as opposed to society having the deciding factor.
So, while many people have the above knee-jerk reaction of "I'm a republican, not a liberal", they fail to realise that political and economic conotations aside (that we expect democrats to be liberals and republicans to be conservative), liberalism and republicanism are both against societal influence, only one regarding to personal lifestyle choices and the other in economic factors. And, in a certain sense, we're all liberalistic to an extent. It's simply a matter of how liberal you are, ranging from a little bit liberal (Ie, I think the old extremist and maintainers of the status quo had problems, but people should still be required to act the same as me because I'm doing everything my parents did and we wouldn't want to imply that they were capable of mistakes) to fairly liberal (We should all choose what we do but should colour our actions based on how they might appear to/affect others) to very liberal (Free-love "it's my body I can do with it what I want" hippy, ect.). Me? I'm pretty liberal, but that's because I'm compulsive and affectionate, and the 'traditional' relationship structure of asking permission to like somebody and then forcing yourself to go through the motions for the rest of your life until you're dead doesn't work for me.

both are wrong on every subject, no one of any werth picks such ideotic extreams

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