Glen Beck goes Bioshock on us!

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One of the main points of Ayn Rands works was the evils of religion and traditional views on sexuality.

You cannot really say your "going Galt," and "making a land where everyone is free" if your oppressing people based on sexuality and religious practices. You missing half the point of Objectivism.

Now, how the @#$^ are you going to make a "Ranch" on an artificial island? You know how much space you will need to comfortably feed a sustainable population? If it is a floating "island," than it is going to be extremely difficult to add to it's size, unless you tie barges together, which makes basically impossible to have a consistent line of crops. It worse if it is a ranch, which last I check is a range for livestock to graze, which is even less energy efficient and would have even more problems if the town is a collection of barges.

Also, how you going to divvy up land ownership? Do people own a barge, percentages of barges? What happen if one of them is lost in a storm or sinks?

I am not saying that colonization of the sea is impossible. Far from it, several "micro-nations" have done it, and groups of Libertarians have almost succeeded at least twice (once was a big cement ship that was sunk in a storm, the second was the construction of a sand barge, but they were driven off and the island was annexed by the Fiji army) and a new attempt is supposed to launch off in 2014, you just have to accept that, for awhile at least, your going to be dependent on trade and fishing for your food supply, and you have many problems you have deal with that you wouldn't on land.

Frission:
I can't detect sarcasm on the internet. I'll just assume you're joking.

Yup. That was sarcasm.

My point is that he'd be creating a commune. A faintly abusive commune, from the sounds of it, but it's not like we've never had that before. I cannot imagine anything more at odds with the bizarre pseudo-philosophy of Ayn Rand than a commune.

There is so much wrong with this that it's not even funny, but I did find this little bit of irony humorous:

GunsmithKitten:
There will also be a marketplace, but don't confuse it with your local mall.

"There's not going to be a Gap here. There's no Ann Taylor. You want an Ann Taylor, go someplace else," Beck said in a video announcement. The marketplace, Beck says, will be a place for people to create their own businesses and learn from others.

That is not what I'd call unrestrained capitalism. It's more like a weird form of protectionism, except instead of tariffs, imports are flat out banned. Glen Beck would be very mad at Glen Beck for that if Glen Beck weren't so danged crazy :P

You have to hand it to Beck, that guy is the incarnation of irony. First he cries he wants a community of absolute unrestricted freedom, and in almost the same sentence he says "But if you want this and this, fuck off, there's no room for that". It takes talent to say something that contradictory and not burst into uncontrollable laughter.

Bentusi16:
Holy crap. I mean holy crap.
Seriously? SERIOUSLY!?
This is nuts, I cannot believe this, this is insane!
People still use Yahoo services!?

This made me grin so hard my face hurts.

Not G. Ivingname:
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I'm not sure if he's planned to make it an Island. In fact I'm hedging my bets on him just buying a ton of land in texas or some other "Uber Red State" for it.

Though I do wonder what the whole "obsession" (and I apologize ahead of time if this sounds offensive, I'm not intending it to be) with Libertarians and islands are. Is it because they're free of the jurisdiction of other nations once they're in International Waters? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Witty Name Here:

Not G. Ivingname:
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I'm not sure if he's planned to make it an Island. In fact I'm hedging my bets on him just buying a ton of land in texas or some other "Uber Red State" for it.

Though I do wonder what the whole "obsession" (and I apologize ahead of time if this sounds offensive, I'm not intending it to be) with Libertarians and islands are. Is it because they're free of the jurisdiction of other nations once they're in International Waters? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Well, then that kind of breaks the entire point of it, doesn't it? Your still under US jurisdiction, still have to abide by the same laws and what not.

Sure, if it all private land, you get to avoid traffic laws and a few other regulations, but for the most part your still living under the governments control. 201 miles off the US coast, and the Feds can't touch you.

As Andrew Ryan himself said, "It was not impossible to build Rapture at the bottom of the sea. It was impossible to build it anywhere else."

Not G. Ivingname:

Well, then that kind of breaks the entire point of it, doesn't it? Your still under US jurisdiction, still have to abide by the same laws and what not.

Sure, if it all private land, you get to avoid traffic laws and a few other regulations, but for the most part your still living under the governments control. 201 miles off the US coast, and the Feds can't touch you.

As Andrew Ryan himself said, "It was not impossible to build Rapture at the bottom of the sea. It was impossible to build it anywhere else."

I suppose you do have a point there. Good luck with the islands idea, I imagine it would take a lot of resources, and if a stray hurricane were to pass over... Well, things could get really bad really quickly.

Personally, for my "Utopia" I would probably build the town somewhere in Siberia. The amount of untamed land there is simply huge, it would probably be perfect simply for the fact that, if you keep everything on the down low, the Government just plain wouldn't find you. The fierce winter would protect you from any thugs attempting to do you harm. Finally Siberia can look downright beautiful in certain places.

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=siberia#/d264173

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=siberia#/d1007sl

http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=siberia&offset=48#/d100c18

Hell, if I recall correctly there are still certain small groups of religious people in Siberia that fled to it during the russian revolution to escape persecution by the communists... And they still don't know what's going on in the outside world.

Granted, I think the "move to Siberia" idea would only work for Agrarian Socialist/Green Anarchist communities. Chances are it wouldn't work out so well for Libertarians because increased commodities going to siberia of all places would probably attract government attention. It DEFINITELY wouldn't work for Objectivists because an increase in heavy industry is practically a red dot for Government interference... That is if they don't die off in the fierce winter because everyone would be too busy in their houses trying to keep themselves warm then to huddle together and form some sort of community "action plan".

GunsmithKitten:

"Before you send your kids to college," Beck said in his pitch video, "you come to us. And you spend a week with us. We're gonna tell them exactly, we will show them the truth, we will tell them what they're going to try to do, and we will deprogram them every summer, if you care."

Wow... assuming that's not satire, it's super cultish. I hope that this doesn't succeed because that sentence... yikes. Plus, Glen Beck's understanding of economics is laughable, he's like the David Icke of economics.

Maybe he can merge plans with those weapon fetishist guys that want to build a medieval community with arms factory.

Madman. To me, it simply suggests that he's never read the book. I haven't either, but I'm not about to declare my own little society.

I would love it if he went through with it.

I kinda doubt Rand would approve of that. I'm not too familiar with her philosophy but even i know that her vision of a true entrepreneur wasn't a fat old drunk who gets paid for whining about how much he doesn't like the government. In a way he's exactly the kind of parasite she was speaking out against.The fact that he's apparently trying to build a quasi-communist town doesn't make it any better.

Okay, I'm just going to say it. Is anyone else already getting some kind of 'Jonestown' vibe from this? A bunch of people form their own community under the strict guidance of a fundamentally insane madman. I really can only see this going one of a couple of ways:

1) The project never gets off the ground because Glenn Beck is an idiot incapable of managing something like this.
2) The project is realised and this community is full of crazy people who idolise and worship Glenn Beck for his 'amazing' message, then the power goes to his head and he goes too far resulting in a massive tragedy of some description.

PsychedelicDiamond:
I kinda doubt Rand would approve of that. I'm not too familiar with her philosophy but even i know that her vision of a true entrepreneur wasn't a fat old drunk who gets paid for whining about how much he doesn't like the government.

That's funny, because that's how I picture most of the characters from Atlas Shrugged, and quite a few rich Objectivists as well.

Anyways, if crazy people/idiots were a separate species, then I'm pretty sure there'd be a discovery channel show that's just a 24 hour live feed of that town.

Not G. Ivingname:

Witty Name Here:

Not G. Ivingname:
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I'm not sure if he's planned to make it an Island. In fact I'm hedging my bets on him just buying a ton of land in texas or some other "Uber Red State" for it.

Though I do wonder what the whole "obsession" (and I apologize ahead of time if this sounds offensive, I'm not intending it to be) with Libertarians and islands are. Is it because they're free of the jurisdiction of other nations once they're in International Waters? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Well, then that kind of breaks the entire point of it, doesn't it? Your still under US jurisdiction, still have to abide by the same laws and what not.

Sure, if it all private land, you get to avoid traffic laws and a few other regulations, but for the most part your still living under the governments control. 201 miles off the US coast, and the Feds can't touch you.

As Andrew Ryan himself said, "It was not impossible to build Rapture at the bottom of the sea. It was impossible to build it anywhere else."

Pft. Of course they could touch you. If they can occupy half the world and interfere with the jurisdictions of other countries, they can deal with some idiots on a boat.

No no, going into international waters doesn't give you some kind of protection from states (unless you are flying the flag of a state, in which case you are under its protection.) it simply means it's no longer obliged to give a fuck about you.

It really just makes you unprotected from anyone who does, like in that Fiji example.

Am I the only one who thinks this idea seems very similar to the old Russian "Soviet" communities of yore? Ya know, the ones who ended up eventually bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war and caused the worst nuclear disaster in the history of mankind?

hmm hes using the sea steading concept. communities of people with the same ideology setting up little independant and self sufficient communities.

while i dont particularly like the guy in any way im really curious to see how it turns out

Spartan448:
Am I the only one who thinks this idea seems very similar to the old Russian "Soviet" communities of yore? Ya know, the ones who ended up eventually bringing the world to the brink of nuclear war and caused the worst nuclear disaster in the history of mankind?

Closhish, it's more like the Russian "mirs"(peasant villiages) which were diffrent from Soviets (worker councils)

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From the last scientific village lecture. Held by Bill Orly and his dog. Rumors has it Beck was impressed.

Sure, and more power to him. Sounds like a decent experiment.
But, you have to wonder how long he can really stay true to the Ann Rand vision of absolute self reliance and zero public collectivism if he's going to manage a community.
At some point he's going to have to issue laws an enforce them. And what about taxes? How is he going to pay for things like roads, water, and power? Or is everyone just going to build their own roads, generate their own power, and supply their own water?
The second he puts up a stop sign, his experiment has failed.

Good, let him. I won't miss him. The guy is nuts from what I've seen.

Glenn Beck goes ADD on his staff & audience...again. Talk about a high stress job.

Damn striking collectivists!

I'm gonna go on strike and make my own collective!

I may be thinking of someone else, please correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Beck one of the "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WILL TAKE OUR JOBS AND RAPE OUR LANDS" idiots? Why would he idolize Ellis Island where mass immigration was processed?

But still, i think the BioShock comparison is appropriate because i can easily see it devolving into some insane cult on the verge of a class war because of the idiotic economic system before Beck's overreaction to a crime ring sets off a powder keg that kills basically everyone. Okay maybe not completely appropriate, Andrew Ryan was charismatic and intelligent while Glen Beck is dog-fuckingly insane and really quite dumb, but hey events speak louder than absurd straw men arguments.

I just hope they televise the entire ordeal and turn it into a documentary or something. I'd Netflix that for shits n giggles.

He should do a kickstarter or something. For real. I would totally chip in $25 in exchange for a documentary crew being able to film the thing.

It was previously suggested elsewhere, the probable outcome is that funding is secured, some construction begins, some holes are dug, but the project fails. And Glen's sticky fingers manage to hang onto a few of those dollars.

Thurston:
It was previously suggested elsewhere, the probable outcome is that funding is secured, some construction begins, some holes are dug, but the project fails. And Glen's sticky fingers manage to hang onto a few of those dollars.

Sticky fingers? That's from the jelly. He will spend it all on charity because every time he says the word Obama he donates 20 dollars to charity.

None of these rich guys are ever going to go Galt.

All their money is tied up with stuff that is guaranteed and protected by the United States of America. Gold Bonds, Stocks, Bank Accounts, etc. Without ownership laws tying their stuff to them, they're just a bunch of guys in suits who don't have anything.

And they know all this. Buying farmland, stocking up on guns, fighting back is for other people. The people who buy Beck's books and keep his advertisers happy. He isn't really crazy; he just pretends to be because people inexplicably throw money at him. You can buy his "Go Galt" kit, but he is going to continue to enjoy the benefits of living in a functioning, structured society. Actions speak louder than words (or at least they should) and I see not a single Right-Wing pundit acting out their supposed beliefs.

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