An Open Letter to The Escapist Community

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[Removed upon request of a mod down below. Apologies~]

This is my first time seeing any posts by Wynn, and I have to say that first impressions are really bad. :|

BreakfastMan:

vallorn:

BreakfastMan:

This is the top right here. It really don't get any better than this, holy shit. XD

As much as people on The Escapist disagree on things, I think that laughing at lines like this can truly bring all of us together.

The only truly uniting force.

Marik2:

BreakfastMan:
It is awesome how so many have decided to die on a hill to defend Wynn's honor. Definitely keep doing that guys.

Your fanfic porn was the catalyst for epyc wynn to go on his crusade.

Thank you.

It wasn't actually fanfic (or porn for that matter), but you are welcome. I take full responsibility.

Well it was porn according to tippy2k2.

This isn't a thread about Wynn, folks. Back on topic, please.

Elvis Starburst:

I really hope Wynn is a "sovereign citizen". If he is, it'll put so much crap into perspective.

Look, I'm as anti-authoritarian as they come, but he's definitely drifting into sovereign citizen territory.

Edit; Sorry Cat, your post wasn't there when I went to post!

Here, I'll try to get us back on track... let's go back to the last post before the... unpleasantness.

Murlin:

Nikolaz72:

Determining whether or not someone is a bigot is really going to depend on whom is doing the determining and it is going to be different from person to person where they draw the line.

In said threads openly bigoted comments/alt right memes "Women ruined gaming - Day of the rope - remove kebab" should then (at moderators judgement) be harshly punished whilst those that can perhaps be interpreted as bigotry "Women simply aren't as proficient with technology" are let off with a warning (at moderators judgement).

The bigger issue always remains that nobody knows the rules better then the people who skirt their limits. You can write an exhaustive, iron-clad code of conduct and you'll still have to deal with bad faith actors who manage to stay just within the limits of acceptable. The idea of a purge then isn't just to get rid of those people, it's to signal a definitive stance taken by your community against them. It's a gamble and it has no guarantee of succeeding.

I mean I wouldn't be entirely on board with it either, but from my experience performing the nuanced, reasonable discussion plea does nothing in the long run because the people you want gone, the people who chase out forum-goers and poison the well, either don't feel concerned or see it as a signal to step up their game. I want to believe in diversity of opinion as much as any other but I've seen it go wrong too often.

Dammit... too soon?

How about:

Whoracle:
Wanted to talk about this as an extra point, but I accidentially did so already above. So, see above: Forums don't bring revenue now, with a fee they'd bring at least a bit more revenue.

The whole site would need some kind of patreon deal to break even or be profitable.

SA changed this up by locking some functions behind paywalls (thread search, changing avatars, usernames, titles etc.) or allowing you to pay more to have this done to somebody else. Not a great model if you ask me. I'd be far more willing to pay a monthly 2$ or 3$ fee and have all those functions unlocked freely. Makes more sense from a technical perspective as well.

Yeah, no, that part of SA works for them, but I wouldn't propose it here. Just the one time sign-up fee (or, as you said, a flat rate). Everyone that doesn't pay gets read only.

Yeah, we don't get enough traffic for one time fee to work. Paetreon might. I don't know if there is enough content to warrant even a dollar. I only pay for one and its a podcast, so maybe we could go back to community contributions leading to some people making some podcasts. Since its community, maybe they offer their time as a donation because I cant see enough money being made to cover a payment

BreakfastMan:
It is awesome how so many have decided to die on a hill to defend Wynn's honor. Definitely keep doing that guys.

I can't help it. Whenever I see a fair maiden in distress, I rush to their aid.

Wynn is basically the court jester of The Escapist.

Edit: Shit, back on topic.

Uhhhhh, I hope the reorganization process here goes better than it did for the Soviets in the 80s?

Achelexus:
Seems like another sjw site is going to hell.

Btw, if anyone is interested, Destructoid has gotten under new management and made a lot of changes to be a bit better.

This post just proves that that term has lost all meaning. How anybody can call this place an "sjw site" with a straight face is quite frankly beyond comprehension.

Andy Chalk:
I've changed my mind

No one blames you for that. What a shitshow.

The last couple of pages have been quite the eye-opener.

Not very nice, is it mods, to have your private chat messages leaked for everyone to see. Now you know what it's like, and what it was like for the GamerGate group when the same thing happened to them.

Hazy992:

Achelexus:
Seems like another sjw site is going to hell.

Btw, if anyone is interested, Destructoid has gotten under new management and made a lot of changes to be a bit better.

This post just proves that that term has lost all meaning. How anybody can call this place an ?sjw site? with a straight face is quite frankly beyond comprehension.

Would I call this place an sjw site? No. However there certainly are quite a few of them here. As there are from the opposing side. It's probably somewhat close to 55/45 split.

That's a rarity these days, because most forums I've seen just become echo chambers for whatever camp has the majority and they ban all dissent. As some people want to happen here.

SolidState:
The last couple of pages have been quite the eye-opener.

Not very nice, is it mods, to have your private chat messages leaked for everyone to see. Now you know what it's like, and what it was like for the GamerGate group when the same thing happened to them.

To be fair, Topaz did eventually get kicked out and turned into a pariah here for that bollocks.

Warhound:

Xsjadoblayde:

QuiteEnjoyed2016:

Ha ha, and they say passive aggressiveness broke the site.

Are the little social justice warriors upset because someone pointed out they destroyed site with their own site with their shark jumping posturing nonsense?

Don't worry have a little internet backslap between yourselves and you'll feel much better better - ahhh don't you feel all morally superior now ; )

That's not passive-aggression, you confused, delicate Snowflake. That's me agreeing with someone else that their observations were shared and humourous so they weren't alone. If I wanted to waste my time communicating with a miserable butt-grudge, I would've done so.

Actually this is exactly the passive-aggressive stuff that people talk about.

"Oh im not aaactually insulting that guy, I am just jokingly agreeing with my buuuuuddy here." Everyone knows exactly what you are doing, and it is designed precisely to skirt around the rules. Then when people take offence and call people like you out on it they are mocked, likely in an attempt to bait the person into getting smacked with a warning.

But, the trend of the popular kids getting passes will continue.

Ha ha, exactly, I love how the stampy little SJW outlines a classic passive aggressive act as a defence against clear passive aggressive behaviour... and then is so desperate not to communicate with the "miserable butt grudge" they reply....

You have to feel sorry for 'em, all they have is a soon-to-be-deleted ridiculous post count, a desperate need to be proven right, and an complete inability to avoid the bullying that destroyed the place despite knowing, deep down its their own fault.

Hazy992:

Achelexus:
Seems like another sjw site is going to hell.

Btw, if anyone is interested, Destructoid has gotten under new management and made a lot of changes to be a bit better.

This post just proves that that term has lost all meaning. How anybody can call this place an ?sjw site? with a straight face is quite frankly beyond comprehension.

Lol, it's always been an SJW site. It collapsed partly because it "signal boosted" an SJW lie then tried to claim that was ok.

Playing as a black character is "a revolutionary act" don't you know :)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/criticalintel

You people need to sort out your aggression, it?s all that right wing stuff what me leave. For what it's worth, I value my time here though, it was good for a while.

trollnystan:

shrekfan246:
I remember your avatar and name, at least, if not your actual posting habits. :D

Senpai noticed me! *squees*

I remember you too and your many fun J-pop themed avatars =D

Hey friends

QuiteEnjoyed2016:
Ha ha, exactly, I love how the stampy little SJW outlines a classic passive aggressive act as a defence against clear passive aggressive behaviour... and then is so desperate not to communicate with the "miserable butt grudge" they reply....

You have to feel sorry for 'em, all they have is a soon-to-be-deleted ridiculous post count, a desperate need to be proven right, and an complete inability to avoid the bullying that destroyed the place despite knowing, deep down its their own fault.

>accuses of passive-aggressive behavior
>is passive-aggressive in accusation
>this colortext is passive-aggressive

What can I say. None of us can help ourselves, you included. :)

Evil Smurf:

trollnystan:

shrekfan246:
I remember your avatar and name, at least, if not your actual posting habits. :D

Senpai noticed me! *squees*

I remember you too and your many fun J-pop themed avatars =D

Hey friends

<3 <3 <3 <3

QuiteEnjoyed2016:

Lol, it's always been an SJW site. It collapsed partly because it "signal boosted" an SJW lie then tried to claim that was ok.

Playing as a black character is "a revolutionary act" don't you know :)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/criticalintel

Where the fuck have you been for the past five years that could lead you to think this is an 'SJW' site? People with progressive views are in the minority, this place fully embraced GamerGate and became GG central. That's what most of the site is now, GGers and alt-right lunatics.

Hazy992:

QuiteEnjoyed2016:

Lol, it's always been an SJW site. It collapsed partly because it "signal boosted" an SJW lie then tried to claim that was ok.

Playing as a black character is "a revolutionary act" don't you know :)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/criticalintel

Where the fuck have you been for the past five years that could lead you to think this is an 'SJW' site? People with progressive views are in the minority, this place fully embraced GamerGate and became GG central. That's what most of the site is now, GGers and alt-right lunatics.

You only need to read through this very thread to see that that statement is a complete fabrication.
For further proof, see the R&P board and even WW.
Just because some people disagree on a board, instead of being entirely of one mind or banning talks of certain political topics doesn't make it GG/Alt-right central.

Oh how the pretty decent have fallen. It's kind of been a long time coming though, and I say that as someone who started watching Zero Punctuation way back in the year two-thousand-ought-seven. 10 years later and I still don't think I've missed a single episode. But I've seen as a site that used to have a bustling selection of content creators gradually lost them one by one. Some of them I even used to watch. Unskippable, Extra Credits, Jim Sterling, Moviebob (heck, I still watch Extra Credits and sometimes Sterling). Everyone left and now it's basically just Yahtzee, who himself isn't as big as he once was and who gets more attention on the Escapist Youtube channel anyway (which is really just the Yahtzee Youtube channel at this point).

I guess the market has changed. It's just no longer profitable to run a video website that's not Youtube, because Youtube has become dominant in a way it wasn't back then when it was just a baby website. I even remember Yahtzee making a video for his Youtube channel (on which he uploaded I think maybe 2 videos) announcing excitedly that he had been lucky enough to be signed to the Escapist and was going to be able to make money off his videos. I can't imagine any young creator nowadays making videos on YT hoping that a mid-level games website spots them and hires them to make stuff for viewing on just said website. But this was before the creator program.

Oh well, I guess the site will always exist on archive.org

Susan Arendt:
Snip

Hey, it's good to see you again. While we're at it ...

... Never really got to apologize, so might as well do it now. Remember way back when in 2011, I sent you an e-mail of an article about how female gamers only got into gaming because of their boyfriends? Honestly, I have no idea why I even made that topic ... it was poorly researched, biased, and pretty sexist overall (even though I didn't think poorly of women, it was still gross). I wanted to thank you for getting on me because it taught me not to submit things without thinking things through. Over the years, i've matured as a human being and gained so much insight on how things really work, and here I am as a Staff Member for this website.

Not sure if this was the place to address my apology, but might as well try. Thanks for doing what you could for our community and regardless of what comes of it in the future, it's cool knowing you came to visit us and remind us of the good days.

C14N:
Oh how the pretty decent have fallen. It's kind of been a long time coming though, and I say that as someone who started watching Zero Punctuation way back in the year two-thousand-ought-seven. 10 years later and I still don't think I've missed a single episode. But I've seen as a site that used to have a bustling selection of content creators gradually lost them one by one. Some of them I even used to watch. Unskippable, Extra Credits, Jim Sterling, Moviebob (heck, I still watch Extra Credits and sometimes Sterling). Everyone left and now it's basically just Yahtzee, who himself isn't as big as he once was and who gets more attention on the Escapist Youtube channel anyway (which is really just the Yahtzee Youtube channel at this point).

I guess the market has changed. It's just no longer profitable to run a video website that's not Youtube, because Youtube has become dominant in a way it wasn't back then when it was just a baby website. I even remember Yahtzee making a video for his Youtube channel (on which he uploaded I think maybe 2 videos) announcing excitedly that he had been lucky enough to be signed to the Escapist and was going to be able to make money off his videos. I can't imagine any young creator nowadays making videos on YT hoping that a mid-level games website spots them and hires them to make stuff for viewing on just said website. But this was before the creator program.

Oh well, I guess the site will always exist on archive.org

YouTube has been choosing some policies that have been damaging creators for well over a year. Many have head to Paetroen. I wonder if YouTube is shooting itself in the foot.

I don't think it would ever bring back this site though

Caramel Frappe:

Susan Arendt:
Snip

Hey, it's good to see you again. While we're at it ...

... Never really got to apologize, so might as well do it now. Remember way back when in 2011, I sent you an e-mail of an article about how female gamers only got into gaming because of their boyfriends? Honestly, I have no idea why I even made that topic ... it was poorly researched, biased, and pretty sexist overall (even though I didn't think poorly of women, it was still gross). I wanted to thank you for getting on me because it taught me not to submit things without thinking things through. Over the years, i've matured as a human being and gained so much insight on how things really work, and here I am as a Staff Member for this website.

Not sure if this was the place to address my apology, but might as well try. Thanks for doing what you could for our community and regardless of what comes of it in the future, it's cool knowing you came to visit us and remind us of the good days.

Character development: IRL edition!

Epyc Wynn:

NewClassic:

Epyc Wynn:
You all need to actively, with great vitriol, speak for your rights on this website. It doesn't matter if this website is owned, it doesn't matter if mods were given authority. If a rule is unethical, don't obey it. If a mod is unethical, don't obey them. If a site is unethical, don't submit to it or run from it- rebel against it!

In just a few words, can you tell me why?

I mean, I understand that you feel unfairly targeted and repressed, but I don't understand why you feel the need to try to make a public spectacle of your displeasure. Please take this as the kindest I can make it, it sucks for us to see you so continuously unhappy here, and the extra work you give to the mod team seems so unnecessary for both you and us.

If you're really unhappy here, why do you stay? Why does this have to be a fight?

From a human perspective, it's better to show up than to give up.

I feel like you would love to read this; it's some chat messages from the Escapist mods Discord involving how my Pub Club membership was stolen which is not allowed within the Code of Conduct at the time it was done which was just a bit more than two weeks ago.

Removed again. Do not make me do this a third time. -Nuke

I think you'll also find out lots of useful information if you join the Wild West club and just, browse some of our content.

Here's the link: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Wild-West

Someone just censored the above leak. I have put it back and will remind all admins and mods they do not have the social right to censor what offends them.

Hey, if it's that important can you just put it on your twitter or on reddit or something where the mods won't take it down?

trollnystan:
I doubt anyone remembers me.

I do.

Best accent ever.

Damn. I'm not going to lie, I essentially dipped out of this community a few years back but I'm still sad to see what's happened. Hoping for the best.

Evil Smurf:
Hey friends

Hello! *hugs* <3

Zhukov:

I do.

Best accent ever.

Wow, I'm flattered! I seem to recall liking yours too =)

Andy Chalk:
I've changed my mind

Lol

Wow, Epyc Wynn, JUST LEAVE IF IT BOTHERS YOU SO MUCH.

Stop speaking for us! STOP IT! We don't want you speaking for us, You don't have the RIGHT to speak for us because you didn't ask for permission! You demand people to stop censoring you. Well stop speaking for us! We can stand up for ourselves, we can handle ourselves. You are not our chosen savior, YOU ARE NOT OUR LORD. STOP. IT. This is why people attack you. NONE OF US Gave you permission, yes, PERMISSION, to SPEAK FOR US!

..I hope the escapist survives this madness, but I'm starting to worry if its better to nuke the site from orbit and start over from scratch, without certain people speaking for other people without permission.

Reading the last few pages of this thread has made me feel that the Escapist owes me a tinfoil hat.

You left and right wingers can't help but fuck up every place you go, can you.

Sassafrass:

General Twinkletoes:
Wow. Haven't been here for years. I used to really love this place until it went to shit around gamergate. What ever happened to TopazFusion? I remember he got especially targeted around then.

I'm sure that now you've mentioned his name, someone will come and tell you what happened. :p

Seems people can't even mention my name anymore without something bad happening. Apparently I'm this site's equivalent of Lord Voldemort.

Whatev's, I'll roll with it.

TopazFusion:

Sassafrass:

General Twinkletoes:
Wow. Haven't been here for years. I used to really love this place until it went to shit around gamergate. What ever happened to TopazFusion? I remember he got especially targeted around then.

I'm sure that now you've mentioned his name, someone will come and tell you what happened. :p

Seems people can't even mention my name anymore without something bad happening. Apparently I'm this site's equivalent of Lord Voldemort.

Whatev's, I'll roll with it.

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TopazFusion:

Sassafrass:

General Twinkletoes:
Wow. Haven't been here for years. I used to really love this place until it went to shit around gamergate. What ever happened to TopazFusion? I remember he got especially targeted around then.

I'm sure that now you've mentioned his name, someone will come and tell you what happened. :p

Seems people can't even mention my name anymore without something bad happening. Apparently I'm this site's equivalent of Lord Voldemort.

Whatev's, I'll roll with it.

I am so freaking happy right now.

If we're giving people second chances, in the hopes that people have learned from their mistakes and will apologize, we should reset everyone's health-bars and give out a ban amnesty to anyone who's been banned.

Make this a real party.

TopazFusion:

Seems people can't even mention my name anymore without something bad happening. Apparently I'm this site's equivalent of Lord Voldemort.

Whatev's, I'll roll with it.

Did you split your banhammer up into seven Horcruxes before you left?
But seriously, welcome back dude.

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