Zero Punctuation: World of Warcraft: Cataclysm

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*gasp* Yahtzee actually liking WoW? (at lest to the point where EVIL was involved) I mean, sure it is an endless time-sink with a quantum singularity in its core that sucks all your life into it, but it is still one of the best MMO's ever created.

Thank God I stopped playing though ;)

Yeah i love Mogworld, Yahtzee is extremely Talented ! :)

I had a somewhat similar experience. I enjoyed WoW, I lost a massive amount of my sleeping hours to it, but then I reached end-game content and after a while realized that there's nothing pulling me into the game anymore, no exploration, no fun quests (and yes, I'm one of those people who enjoy a "twenty bear asses" quest if it has a nifty storyline to it)... Just numbers and numbers. And while I know there are people who love this sort of thing (one of the bits I remember from the end was my friend I always played with raving about how he got his gearscore up and how a specific build gave him a slightly higher dps), it just didn't stick with me. Which is why, despite good reviews, I'm not picking Cataclysm up. Because no matter how much fun playing as a goblin or worgen would be, I know that it will end in endless boring grind.

Mackheath:
How the hell did you end up in a guild? You're a gloomy misanthropic bugger, the exact opposite the Lords of Blizzard want to see running around incase it upsets the automated responses of the gamers.

My guess, he joined Matt's guild from australiangamer. Matt played WoW last I heard and they're friends IRL.

What I'm liking...(not raiding yet, just experience of some of the new dungeons) is that they seem to have pushed away from gearscore (you can't make gamers give it up, but it REALLY isn't so important now), and actually base success or failure on actually doing things. Know the dungeon, know how to react to events, know when to heal and when to move, when not to stand in the fire etc.

Some dummy dripping in epics who doesn't pay attention and just nukes WILL get you killed, whereas a guy in half blues who actually has a clue will help get you thru almost anything.

As for Yahtzee's experience, 1-60 is just plain better than it was a year ago, if you hated WOW, you'll still hate it, but if you weren't sure, might be time to give it another go.

That $15 a month sure is cheaper than a COD Black ops a month.

PS: Plants vs Zombies bonus quests too!

Yatzee's power level is OVER 90,000!

Is there some rule obligating the mods to putting the first few posts on every ZP thread on probation? I mean, yea the mods here are more active than pretty much any other forum I've ever been on, but generally when I look at the offending post behind the many, many probations and suspensions I see while browsing, I agree with the mod action or can understand why they did it.

But that's just not true of the inevitable first several posts in the ZP threads. Is it just some tradition that you do for kicks? Is it an honor system to point at the first lucky few that manage to post on the fledgling ZP thread because the forums don't have any positive way of pointing someones post out? Do you start out optimistically telling yourselves that you'll ban all the pointless unconstructive posts that are little more than "me like" or "me hate", only to realize there'll be hundreds of posts within the hour and half them will be such posts so you just give up after the first few? What?

*waits to be suspended for asking*

I picked up Mogworld in a local bookstore, and it was very well done, good job Yahtzee!

I've never laughed so much from a book!

Good show this week Yahtzee. This saves me the trouble from having to go out and play this expansion set. You have saved 1 life.

Does that mean I have to buy a second copy of mogworld? ;)

Also thanks for the warning. ;)

Nimcha:
That was my reason for raiding at least. The items were just tools. The fun lies in killing difficult bosses together with people you like. I'm afraid that sentiment is lost to raiders of this expansion though, these days it is indeed about the items and the items only. Raids are the tools now.

It's why I stopped playing.

Yeah, when I saw everyone complaining on the forums that healing requires effort, I figured I'd just ditch raiding altogether and play around on PVP (I don't want my life to rely on people that dumb). Might not stick around for this entire expansion though, Vanilla and WotLK were definitely the high-points of this game.

Yog Sothoth:

BlueInkAlchemist:
Judging by some of the drivel floating around the WoW forums, you'd think this "game" is nothing more than a glorified spreadsheet passed around a table by a bunch of fat nerds.

No, that would be EVE Online.

*Badum-tish!*

I'm pretty sure every EVE player is aware he's playing spreadsheets online, maybe the pvpers a bit less... ask any industrialist or trader that however...

Thank God you are safe from the floods yahtze!!!

KalosCast:

Nimcha:
That was my reason for raiding at least. The items were just tools. The fun lies in killing difficult bosses together with people you like. I'm afraid that sentiment is lost to raiders of this expansion though, these days it is indeed about the items and the items only. Raids are the tools now.

It's why I stopped playing.

Yeah, when I saw everyone complaining on the forums that healing requires effort, I figured I'd just ditch raiding altogether and play around on PVP (I don't want my life to rely on people that dumb). Might not stick around for this entire expansion though, Vanilla and WotLK were definitely the high-points of this game.

I strongly disagree, TBC was as close to perfect as it could be.

He is right though, congratulating people in that game is a conditioned response, I got the same amount of praise for getting a haircut in that game as I did for hitting level 80....

Everyone plays Metroid to get space jump. Because is space jump. YOU HAVE FUCKING SPACE JUMP! USE IT!

Well I can certainly say I didn't see this coming.

If you want I could go into a very long-winded explanation of Deathwing, who he is, what he does and yadda yadda yadda, but I can tell you don't care. Nor does anyone.

Heh, hadn't even dreamt you would make a review of Cataclysm, and it was awesome:D

Also, I play WoW from time to time and got Cataclysm for christmas, yet I have barely played it. To me that is strange, considering I love the questing and play it as a single player gameXD
(strange because Cataclysm has tons of new questsXP)

/patOnHead
someone doesn't seem to get that skill is involved in raiding. so naive. also, I don't suppose arranged PvP ever comes to mind for you does it?

A good rant, I recently gave up wow upon realising how boring it is...
seriously, it was like a chore

Hilarious... but seriously how did he get in a guild?
I kid.

Anyone else initially think this thread was just a wishful thing like "Oh, wouldn't it be awesome if Yahtzee reviewed WoW! Because I really care and am not funny enough to invent cock-jokes myself."

Oh I'm sure there was at least one person who ruined their life trying to get 100% in Super Metroid.

And tbh I actually do hate it when I get an spiffy new weapon or armor piece but it looks like crap. It's like finding the perfect car for dirt cheap but the only available color is neon pink with glitter :/

I never thought he'd review any part of WoW. The Lok'Tar censor block was great.

You got killed in a Deathwing random event?

LUCKY!

Yeah, I know it's ironic, but it's rare and cool.

This review was more levelheaded than most, I agree almost completely.

I just stopped Cataclysm recently, and I don't feel like I WANT to play it, but I do feel like I SHOULD.

That's some scary shit.

I'd be right up there with all the LOK'TAR OGAR if Garrosh hadn't almost personally killed me twice before hitting level forty. Do not want getting dropped off bridge kthx.

An issue I had with the MMO is that they have a comic running that they kind of forcefully wedge into the game as being canon. The only part I'm familiar with involves telling where a certain Stormwind king has been doing all this time.

I've hated Garrosh since WotLK and I wasn't amused when I heard he'd be taking over as Warchief. I was Horde through and through until a certain diplomatic liability took command. I also hate Varian Wrynn as much, if not more, so Alliance isn't even an option if that thing is even a part of it.

I took the third option and quit playing because now with Cataclysm, I feel that the game is just everyone playing dodgeball with the Conflict ball just because. More so now than in Northrend. Maybe I had time to look through all I've done, lean back, and think, "Wow, this is fucking stupid."

The goblin starting area is hilariously fun. The worgen starting area is both sullen and stupid. On that point I wholeheartedly agree: Fuck the Alliance. And fuck the people that use "grats" on gaining piss-easy achievements, too.

Oh admit it you grumpy decaying sod. Yooou liked it.

But...yeah 'grats' on running for your life while you still had it attached to your soul Yahtzee old boy.

I was actually curious as to how a self proclaimed misanthrope like Yahtzee ended up in a guild. *reads end message* Ah, rats...

There really are people who play WoW just to be the best like he said in his video, but there are people like me who genuinely enjoy the content and lore and raid to see the continuation of it. Items, to me, are only necessary to enjoy more warcraft lore.

EDIT: In regards to the "Grats" part, I personally only congratualate people when they actually achieve something worthwhile, it annoys me to see people do it for trivial achievements.

I used to love WoW, I used to devote countless hours to it. I gave it up last year and got tempted enough to try Cataclysm out.
I can thankfully say that I am free from WoW. The Cataclysm trial did nothing but remind me that essentially, fun as it is while you're doing it, the game is a massive skinner box. I was bored for the Cataclysm trial and didn't get back into it.

Thank god >_>.

Nimcha:
I strongly disagree, TBC was as close to perfect as it could be.

Visually, perhaps (I will admit that WotLK gear is boring, a palette swap, or both) but too much about the thing was just terrible. Blood Elves on the Horde (blood elves playable at all, honestly), turning some of the most compelling characters from the RTS into loot pinatas, Hellfire peninsula, the sheer amount of grind, and most of the questing zones just aren't compelling.

Items in wow are worth A LOT . If it takes effort and skill to obtain an item, then that item has value(in atoms or pixels)

The fact that Yahtzee has been playing a MMORPG like WoW has not sunk in my stubborn brain. That is how shocked I am. All this time, I been paying attention to how much he dislikes MMOs that I assumed he wouldn't play one or have time to. It almost feels like he is coming out of the closet with this or he is taking me out of the closet. Showing me something else than I expect to only put me into another closet for the next unexpected thing.

"How did he get into the Guild?" haha, that's easy. He is a guild leader. That explains all the imps. (kidding)

This is one of the few times that Yahtzee has reviewed drugs

KalosCast:

Nimcha:
I strongly disagree, TBC was as close to perfect as it could be.

Visually, perhaps (I will admit that WotLK gear is boring, a palette swap, or both) but too much about the thing was just terrible. Blood Elves on the Horde (blood elves playable at all, honestly), turning some of the most compelling characters from the RTS into loot pinatas, Hellfire peninsula, the sheer amount of grind, and most of the questing zones just aren't compelling.

Those things aren't important at all. The endgame is. And that was pretty much the best it has ever been. Not perfect mind you, but WotLK pretty much ruined any chance of that.

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