Escape to the Movies: Act of Valor

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Okay, just wanna jump in here for a minute: My "disclaimer" had nothing to do with "apologizing" to the Army or anyone else. I simply wanted to make sure my (very) specific criticisms were understood to be in the context I intended them.

This particular film presents a very unique situation for critical analysis, as many of the action sequences are made up in part by footage of the SEAL operators engaged in (and my exact terminology may be incorrect here) live-fire exercises - i.e. we are effectively watching them run "drills" for their actual techniques/operations during which they were both dodging and returning potentially-lethal gunfire. Thusly, I wanted it understood that when I talked about "performance" in a critical way I was talking specifically about stuff like acting, projection, etc. and NOT "field performance" in the exercises themselves which I'm in no way qualified to judge.

I agree, this seems like it could have been turned into an incredible documentary rather than a straight up narrative.

Warforger:

Cowabungaa:
I wonder what a non-American would think about the propaganda-level of this film.

Honestly I'm not a native born American but I was raised here and I have a disgust for when the military tries to infiltrate popular culture as to get recruitment, like the American Army games. To me mourning soldiers deaths as worse than normal people's death sickens me, to me the military is just like taking drugs, you know there was a risk some drugs/branches are more dangerous than others and you know very well your health can be heavily damaged if not get killed if you decide to participate not to mention that you could potentially hurt many other people. However you do it for the benefits, for the military it's social, cultural and financial for drugs it tends to be physical pleasure, the only difference is that one is supported by the government and the other isn't. I feel an essential sense of irony then when American soldiers defend Opium fields in Afghanistan as to keep people supporting them.

Maybe they made the movie because people like the military or think the Navy SEALS are awesome. Just because it's about the military doesn't make it a recruitment ad. Even if it was, becoming a Navy SEAL is ridiculously difficult and the slightest bit of research would tell people not to join the Navy if they only want to be a SEAL.

The deaths of people in the Armed Forces are mourned because they knew they could die and still signed up. It is still something most people wouldn't do. Now your comparison of the military and taking drugs is just ridiculous. I enlisted in the Marines in August and leave for Boot in July. I did not join because I want people to think I'm a hero, to make myself feel like a badass, or the money. I joined because I want to be a part of something I feel is important in my life and perhaps learn something about myself.

Now about the opium fields and harming of others. It isn't the military's job to disrupt their way of life regardless if it's illegal to our government. It also wasn't our decision for the enemy to blend it's fighters with civilians. Don't blame our military, blame those who use them for cover.

Bobs review was fine. It wasn't phenomenal but I understand it. The acting is something that took a hit for the realistic action scenes. It's a good movie for those who like action and/or military.

Thunderpants:

Warforger:

Cowabungaa:
I wonder what a non-American would think about the propaganda-level of this film.

Honestly I'm not a native born American but I was raised here and I have a disgust for when the military tries to infiltrate popular culture as to get recruitment, like the American Army games. To me mourning soldiers deaths as worse than normal people's death sickens me, to me the military is just like taking drugs, you know there was a risk some drugs/branches are more dangerous than others and you know very well your health can be heavily damaged if not get killed if you decide to participate not to mention that you could potentially hurt many other people. However you do it for the benefits, for the military it's social, cultural and financial for drugs it tends to be physical pleasure, the only difference is that one is supported by the government and the other isn't. I feel an essential sense of irony then when American soldiers defend Opium fields in Afghanistan as to keep people supporting them.

Maybe they made the movie because people like the military or think the Navy SEALS are awesome. Just because it's about the military doesn't make it a recruitment ad. Even if it was, becoming a Navy SEAL is ridiculously difficult and the slightest bit of research would tell people not to join the Navy is they only want to be a SEAL.

The deaths of people in the Armed Forces are mourned because they knew they could die and still signed up. It is still something most people wouldn't do. Now your comparison of the military and taking drugs is just ridiculous. I enlisted in the Marines in August and leave for Boot in July. I did not join because I want people to think I'm a hero, to make myself feel like a badass, or the money. I joined because I want to be a part of something I feel is important in my life and perhaps learn something about myself.

Now about the Opium fields and harming of others. It isn't the military's job to disrupt their way of life regardless if it's illegal to our government. It also wasn't our decision for the enemy to blend it's fighters with civilians. Don't blame our military, blame those who use them for cover.

Bobs review was fine. It was phenomenal but I understand it. The acting is something that took a hit for the realistic action scenes. It's a good movie for those who like action and/or military.

I agree with you. The sacrifices active duty members make in defense of their country make their deaths more depressing.

I actually kind of preferred the realistic action scenes. I'm a physics major so I spend most of normal action movies muttering "bullshit" under my breath.

Thunderpants:

Maybe they made the movie because people like the military or think the Navy SEALS are awesome. Just because it's about the military doesn't make it a recruitment ad. Even if it was, becoming a Navy SEAL is ridiculously difficult and the slightest bit of research would tell people not to join the Navy is they only want to be a SEAL.

Most recruitment ads try to get less people to join because when you're in a recession the military gets a huge number of applicants. Great way to get one that pays for itself really, it's like t-shirts where it's advertisement you get paid for.

Thunderpants:

The deaths of people in the Armed Forces are mourned because they knew they could die and still signed up. It is still something most people wouldn't do.

No, the military is getting too many applications to say most people wouldn't.

Thunderpants:

Now your comparison of the military and taking drugs is just ridiculous. I enlisted in the Marines in August and leave for Boot in July. I did not join because I want people to think I'm a hero, to make myself feel like a badass, or the money. I joined because I want to be a part of something I feel is important in my life and perhaps learn something about myself.

So social? That doesn't sound like a great reason to join the military, drugs can do the same thing. My point though was that they both have the same risks, while one is treated like it was their responsibility and it was their fault they couldn't hold up the other is acting like they didn't ask to go into a dangerous situation. To begin with, the "important" thing is only important because people say it is, I never really saw any direct impact the military had on anyone.

Thunderpants:

Now about the Opium fields and harming of others. It isn't the military's job to disrupt their way of life regardless if it's illegal to our government.

Except that's what the military is doing by say going to Afghanistan. The problem however is that this is the military turning back on the morales it swore to protect, we've overthrown governments who helped smuggle drugs in the Latin America so it doesn't seem to out of the box. Not to mention, this merely worsens the herione problem in places like Russia.

Thunderpants:

It also wasn't our decision for the enemy to blend it's fighters with civilians. Don't blame our military, blame those who use them for cover.

What? Did you ever see the notorious wikileaks video? There the military fires on civilians because of some blurry colorless image i.e. bad intel, and some people would say that it was fine because they, through the horrible camera, looked like they were hostiles? Soldiers are mourned far more than civilians are, but soldiers ask to go to put themselves in those situations, civilians don't and are forced to pull through it, when they get killed the insurgents have no organization to investigate their attacks and the actual heavily funded foreign military does not investigate it too often either opting out to instead cover it up valuing it's own soldiers over civilians.

Okay, as someone who was in the military, the amount of ignorance on this thread is incredible. Why does MovieBob feel the need to say that he respects the SEALS? Because they deserve respect. Go on YouTube and just look at their training. I doubt any of you know what it feels like to be cold, wet, tired, and away from your family for months at a time. Does the military fuck up? Yes. But not as often as we are led to believe. Do things like the events portrayed in Act of Valor happen? All the damn time. There are hundreds of near-misses.

On to the movie: If it weren't for great action sequences and SEALS being damn good at what they do, it would be a rental. The acting is pretty rough, there are a ton of rolling shutter issues with the 5D (the camera it was filmed on)and the effects blending didn't work that well at times, especially in harsh light. I hated the cheesy slo-mo effects, the editing was sloppy, and the whole film needed to be tightened up. Despite all that, I still enjoyed the hell out of it.

Good review Bob, it was spot on.

Hmmmm, I haven't seen this movie, just the trailer and the review. The whole premise seems like a big propaganda fest.

I can't even look at the US Military without thinking of Abu Ghraib, the Haditha massacre or the finger trophy killing scandal. Obivously, not every member of the US military is a cold-blooded murderer, but it just pisses me off when the ones that are, are not punished meaningfully, or in some cases, at all for their crimes.

Also, Bob's excessive pandering to the Military is well...excessive.

Why must everyone give Bob shit for his little disclaimer at the beginning? He respects individuals that sacrifice their lives to protect us (Americans) and all he wants is to make sure nobody is going to take his review the wrong way, seeing as bad mouthing the military can really anger people and get you into a lot shit.. Just because the rest of you angsty teens want him to shit all over the military doesn't mean he has to.

MovieBob:
Okay, just wanna jump in here for a minute: My "disclaimer" had nothing to do with "apologizing" to the Army or anyone else. I simply wanted to make sure my (very) specific criticisms were understood to be in the context I intended them.

This particular film presents a very unique situation for critical analysis, as many of the action sequences are made up in part by footage of the SEAL operators engaged in (and my exact terminology may be incorrect here) live-fire exercises - i.e. we are effectively watching them run "drills" for their actual techniques/operations during which they were both dodging and returning potentially-lethal gunfire. Thusly, I wanted it understood that when I talked about "performance" in a critical way I was talking specifically about stuff like acting, projection, etc. and NOT "field performance" in the exercises themselves which I'm in no way qualified to judge.

I'll repeat that I said in a previous comment:

As former military, the concept of this film is pretty awesome to me. But, I now work in the film industry primarily as an actor/director and...

What you said said about the movie not being great is completely true. The acting sucked, the slow-mo was cheesy, and it was full of tropes that shouldn't have been there. From a more technical perspective, it had huge issues with rolling shutter, effects blending, and their focus puller should have been used for target practice. I can also go on about odd some of their lens choices were, but that's an entirely different discussion and waaaay off topic. Despite all of that, I enjoyed the hell out of it. And I agree, it would have been a better documentary.

It was a good review. Nicely premised with your real thoughts and emotions about the armed forces, and it hit the big issues about the film on the head. Once again, good review.

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Warforger:

Thunderpants:

Maybe they made the movie because people like the military or think the Navy SEALS are awesome. Just because it's about the military doesn't make it a recruitment ad. Even if it was, becoming a Navy SEAL is ridiculously difficult and the slightest bit of research would tell people not to join the Navy is they only want to be a SEAL.

Most recruitment ads try to get less people to join because when you're in a recession the military gets a huge number of applicants. Great way to get one that pays for itself really, it's like t-shirts where it's advertisement you get paid for.

Thunderpants:

The deaths of people in the Armed Forces are mourned because they knew they could die and still signed up. It is still something most people wouldn't do.

No, the military is getting too many applications to say most people wouldn't.

Thunderpants:

Now your comparison of the military and taking drugs is just ridiculous. I enlisted in the Marines in August and leave for Boot in July. I did not join because I want people to think I'm a hero, to make myself feel like a badass, or the money. I joined because I want to be a part of something I feel is important in my life and perhaps learn something about myself.

So social? That doesn't sound like a great reason to join the military, drugs can do the same thing. My point though was that they both have the same risks, while one is treated like it was their responsibility and it was their fault they couldn't hold up the other is acting like they didn't ask to go into a dangerous situation. To begin with, the "important" thing is only important because people say it is, I never really saw any direct impact the military had on anyone.

Thunderpants:

Now about the Opium fields and harming of others. It isn't the military's job to disrupt their way of life regardless if it's illegal to our government.

Except that's what the military is doing by say going to Afghanistan. The problem however is that this is the military turning back on the morales it swore to protect, we've overthrown governments who helped smuggle drugs in the Latin America so it doesn't seem to out of the box. Not to mention, this merely worsens the herione problem in places like Russia.

Thunderpants:

It also wasn't our decision for the enemy to blend it's fighters with civilians. Don't blame our military, blame those who use them for cover.

What? Did you ever see the notorious wikileaks video? There the military fires on civilians because of some blurry colorless image i.e. bad intel, and some people would say that it was fine because they, through the horrible camera, looked like they were hostiles? Soldiers are mourned far more than civilians are, but soldiers ask to go to put themselves in those situations, civilians don't and are forced to pull through it, when they get killed the insurgents have no organization to investigate their attacks and the actual heavily funded foreign military does not investigate it too often either opting out to instead cover it up valuing it's own soldiers over civilians.

1. You are right. A lot of people are trying to get into the military now. It's very easy to get disqualified or discharged from the military due to downsizing and the number of applicants.

2. Most people wouldn't do infantry or front line jobs. Which is where most deaths occur.

3. Joining the military and doing drugs are still completely different. When you join the military you ask to get into a dangerous situation, not only for yourself but for your country, friends, or even family. Which is why society respects and mourns them. When you do drugs you don't benefit anyone except yourself and your drug dealer, and if you die it is because you wanted to get high. Not for your country, not for your family, not for your friends, but for your own self pleasure.

The Armed Forces sacrifice a lot for the chance to be shot at. Yes they get paid and receive benefits but I can get those benefits with a civilian job with a far less chance of dying. This is why society mourns members of the military more than the average civilian.

The military has a great impact on a lot of people in it. Everyone that I've talked too after boot camp had greater discipline, posture, and outlook on life. People I've talked too after deployments are even more grateful for what they have because they are alive.

It is obvious to realize the military is not for everyone though. Some people can't handle some of the things they might see, which causes certain disorders. Which is another reason why those in the military are viewed differently than civilians. They volunteer to see horrors that others will never have too.

4. The Marines, Soldiers, Airmen, and Seaman are trying to dismantle an organization that threatens and abuses civilians. They force civilians to do things they don't want to do. What the government wants to do in the middle - east is different from what those fighting it want to do.

5. That entire situation could've been avoided if the insurgents didn't use civilians as cover. Yes it is horrible that innocent people die and I hope to never kill a civilian myself but it isn't always in the individuals control. They have to make quick decisions or one of their friends could die. It is honestly impossible for us to realize what it is like for those out there until you are there yourself.

I understand why you could disagree with the war and the government. You are more than welcome to that opinion, but don't try to discredit those who volunteer to be in a shitty situation so you don't have too. Yes, some people in the military are assholes but they still sacrifice a lot and should be respected on some level.

I saw it tonight as well. Your review was pretty much spot on Bob, the action scenes were top notch, and I probably will never see anything quite like them in a movie ever again.

The story was rather dull though, and the dialogue was pretty bland. A couple of scenes of the Seals conversing with each other were cool, but overall, they felt out of place and made me wish we could get back to the cool special missions.

Also, whoever played the wife of that soldier was absolutely atrocious at acting. The Seals were better actors than her!

DugMachine:
Why must everyone give Bob shit for his little disclaimer at the beginning? He respects individuals that sacrifice their lives to protect us (Americans) and all he wants is to make sure nobody is going to take his review the wrong way, seeing as bad mouthing the military can really anger people and get you into a lot shit.. Just because the rest of you angsty teens want him to shit all over the military doesn't mean he has to.

The problem isn't that there was a disclaimer. With the current political climate, it's pretty much what we've come to expect when reviewing a movie like this. The problem is that the disclaimer took up half the running time of the review.

Yes, I know that being critical of the military is bound to get someone pissed at you. The thing is that doesn't matter because Bob's job is first and foremost as a film critic. If he spends most of his time softballing and pussyfooting around what is essentially propaganda film, guess what, people will give him shit for it.

Im still waiting for another Black Hawk Down. Im not gonna get one here, I guess.

I think this review was far too apologetic. I'd hardly call these people heroes. But then I'm not American and I simply don't get the culture, it's probably a lack of perspective. Regardless I had no interest in this film, it still looks like a military wankfest.

Pity Bob hasn't given his thoughts on the new hammer flick. I've seen it already, it would have been interesting to hear his thoughts.

Zenron:
You seemed really scared about pissing anyone off in this review Bob, kind of a change from what we normally see. We're used to seeing you shout off your opinion without a care for who it offends, and I like that. You didn't really need to tell us all how you respect the SEALs every 20 seconds, you could have just said it once.

But anyway, I'm not particularly fond of the whole Gung ho action war movie, so chances are I'm not going to watch this.

I agree. By his abject and cringing abasement of himself to the military, Bob has made a pitiful spectacle in this review.

alandavidson:
Okay, as someone who was in the military, the amount of ignorance on this thread is incredible. Why does MovieBob feel the need to say that he respects the SEALS? Because they deserve respect. Go on YouTube and just look at their training. I doubt any of you know what it feels like to be cold, wet, tired, and away from your family for months at a time. Does the military fuck up? Yes. But not as often as we are led to believe. Do things like the events portrayed in Act of Valor happen? All the damn time. There are hundreds of near-misses.

It is easy to say that you should respect the SEALs for the hellish training they go through, but completely disregard the special forces of other countries who go through about as hellish or even more so training, because they are not SEALs. The Spetsnaz probably has the most hellish of them all, but all russians are pansies, am I right?

Oh, and sure the soldiers of the US are very much well respected... as long as the populace don't know anything personal about them. As long as they're not gay or, DEAR GOD, atheists (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hWYXWfLsQ6g#t=118s)! American Presidents have said atheist soldiers don't deserve being honored. George W. Bush uttered those exact following words: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." In the US soldiers only deserve respect if they fall into both those groups: Are american and are proper god-fearing christians. A soldier killing random Iraqis all the way on the other side of the globe? A hero. An Iraqi with a decades old AK protecting his home against american looters? A terrorist. Russian soldiers doing the exact same thing as american soldiers elsewhere? Blatant disregard for human life and the Genevra Convention.

A soldier is a soldier. A very well trained soldier is still a soldier who is probably more dangerous because his training desensitized him. And every soldier is a hero as long as he is a soldier for your country (with the proper religious background) and every soldier is an inexcusable murderer as long as he is from anywhere else (or is a mercenary with a non-american paycheck).

Sounds like it was designed to heat up hatred towards undocumented immigrants and various non US-friendly South American countries. Preparing public opinion for US attack on Venezuela perhaps?

I'm gonna go ahead and call it as I saw it: When I first saw the trailer for this and learned the premise of the film, my initial thoughts were "Oh gods, not another military propaganda film."

Now, whether it is or isn't and whether it's effective or not is entirely debatable. The thing for me is that I KNOW Seals are badasses cause everyone keeps saying so, I will resist pointing out the obvious problem with that. I don't need to see a movie glorifying them or showing how "awesome" it is to work in the military. I get enough of that malarkey on television commercials and the odd teaser before a movie starts in theaters.

I'm honestly not going to see this, nor am I even really interested. I don't care much for the military, nor do I have much trust in the government. That said, I'm not a troublemaker so I have nothing to worry about. Besides, just cause I don't care about it, doesn't mean there aren't a buttload of people out there ready to leap in and say "BUT I DO!!" in my stead, for whatever reason.

Kinda like how I don't give a damn about this "God" person, and merely acknowledge the possibility while leaving well enough alone. I know there's scads of people out there who DO believe, so the loss of one person's voice isn't going to make a whole lotta difference.

Sometimes I wish it did, insofar as the media/music/game industry goes, but it doesn't.

Well, bad review of a horrendous film. Not surprising.

1. What the fuck are you apologizing for? It IS as propaganda as propaganda gets. It's the textbook definition of propaganda. Why apologize for calling it out on it???
2. Criticizing military is a hell of a lot more patriotic than sucking its balls. NOONE should shake at the knees (OMG my viewers won't like me if I don't cover myself in apologies like my mom covered herself with sperm on an average Tuesday in her preteen years!) doing so.

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3. It made you more likely give them a high-five. That in itself shows that at least the EFFECT was that of propaganda (different from recruitment; there will always be strong people in poverty for the military to recruit, but public support is where their MONEY comes from, which is why that's what they really worry about, not recruitment); it's debatable whether or not that's a good thing, obviously, but it's experimentally demonstrated that it had the effect of propaganda.

I totally understand why much of the running time of this film is thanking the SEALs. It's hard to criticize a movie about something without criticizing the content of that movie. I mean, if Hotel Rwanda had been a terrible movie, do you think critics wouldn't take the time to acknowledge that the situation in Rwanda is still terrible even though the movie didn't represent it well?

There's no inconsistency here. Calling Michael Bay a douchebag is a far cry from insulting the Navy SEALs.

Cowabungaa:
I wonder what a non-American would think about the propaganda-level of this film.

It's done over here in the UK too, just not as... big and flashy as you guys in the US do.

The Royal Marines Commandos have adverts on Facebook (more notably to those who expressed a liking to CoD or Battlefield as games).

cookyy2k:

Dastardly:
As the saying goes, "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." People can cry about the horrors of war, and how awful all of it is, but it's easy for them to forget that the reason they're free to do so is because we've got men ready to bear that burden for us.

The people you NEVER hear about do far more than any soldier to let "People sleep peacefully in their beds at night". Intelligence and scientific services are never heard about and conducted in complete secrecy with no one doing any of these jobs even admitting to what they do. Without either of these no army, navy or airforce would be effective.

Without intelligence, there's nothing to act upon. Without people to act upon it, intelligence is useless. Trying to prioritize the two is like arguing over which of your legs is more important.

Yojoo:
I totally understand why much of the running time of this film is thanking the SEALs. It's hard to criticize a movie about something without criticizing the content of that movie. I mean, if Hotel Rwanda had been a terrible movie, do you think critics wouldn't take the time to acknowledge that the situation in Rwanda is still terrible even though the movie didn't represent it well?

There's no inconsistency here. Calling Michael Bay a douchebag is a far cry from insulting the Navy SEALs.

Have yourself an Internet. You've earnt it.

plainlake:
Speaking as a european who has served in the Norwegian military.

The military is usually not the ones to blame for civilan casaulties at all, the politicians that put them in the situation are. The horrors of war and modern armed conflicts should be known to everyone so that politicians are never allowed to use military force lightly. In a working democracy, the voters are to blame. If I should mention a current hot potato, The Iraq war, very well handeled, military wise, but the reasons for starting it were laughable.

TLDR:
I respect the US military, but not always the ones that control it.

I agree, especially that the voters are to blame. War is horrible, and too many of us are unable to accept that. We want sanitized wars (like we used to believe we had back before 24-7 news coverage).

And when we don't get that? When there are mistakes and losses and horrible things? People want to tie the hands of the military. It's the old, "I don't know how to do your job, but I know you're doing it wrong" routine.

Edit: Deleted post, Wrong topic.

i wonder how many people on this site will criticize the movie only on a political standpoint and not an non-objective point like bob did?

and as much as people claim this is propaganda for the military gun-ho side, think about this: these movies come out once every few years if at all, the anti-war, west is wrong, and military is bad movie comes out almost every year.
Avatar
Platoon
Generation Kill
Shooter
ect.

And frankly i want to see a 'john Wayne style green beret' movie to balance all this shit out. Its annoying. At least when the Pro troop movie is out, its at least somewhat subtle and less preachy, aside from this movie we have only like, Black Hawk Down and the green berets.

Dana22:
Im still waiting for another Black Hawk Down. Im not gonna get one here, I guess.

Wait until ridley scott is done with Prometheus i guess.

Or maby the red dawn remake

AnythingOutstanding:
One thing I never understood about the Navy Seals was their name.

Is it seal as in "Seal of Approval" or seal as in the animal? Or other?

seal is meant to be an acroyneme SEa Air Land(don't ask how i know i was just watching TV one day and passed by a documernty on the subject).Any who thats the reason i think.

Honestly it was a little difficult to watch with all the "asking for forgiveness" and pro-seal rambling. I just want to know how good the movie is, and it's hard to get a feel for that when he's constantly covering his tracks with forgiveness. Especially as a non-American the whole review kind of left a bad taste in my mouth, I know that the seals are "badass" but I don't want to watch a movie review that spews that out over and over again instead of actually... I dunno, reviewing the movie.

I guess a big part of it comes from the American perspective and the general position of people not wanting to demean their military, which is O.K; I would probably feel equally compelled if it was my country in question. I just wonder if Bob would give the same level of respect for a movie focusing on a foreign force, though to be fair he isn't really obligated to.

Jegsimmons:
i wonder how many people on this site will criticize the movie only on a political standpoint and not an non-objective point like bob did?

and as much as people claim this is propaganda for the military gun-ho side, think about this: these movies come out once every few years if at all, the anti-war, west is wrong, and military is bad movie comes out almost every year.
Avatar
Platoon
Generation Kill
Shooter
ect.

And frankly i want to see a 'john Wayne style green beret' movie to balance all this shit out. Its annoying. At least when the Pro troop movie is out, its at least somewhat subtle and less preachy, aside from this movie we have only like, Black Hawk Down and the green berets.

Yes, Generation Kill and its hardline anti-military statements

I know this is completly unrelated, but i've always wanted to know what MovieBob thinks of the movie Lost In Translation...just curious...

Other than that,i liked this review, i disagree with it, but i respect it.

Simonism451:

Jegsimmons:
i wonder how many people on this site will criticize the movie only on a political standpoint and not an non-objective point like bob did?

and as much as people claim this is propaganda for the military gun-ho side, think about this: these movies come out once every few years if at all, the anti-war, west is wrong, and military is bad movie comes out almost every year.
Avatar
Platoon
Generation Kill
Shooter
ect.

And frankly i want to see a 'john Wayne style green beret' movie to balance all this shit out. Its annoying. At least when the Pro troop movie is out, its at least somewhat subtle and less preachy, aside from this movie we have only like, Black Hawk Down and the green berets.

Yes, Generation Kill and its hardline anti-military statements

not sure what you are getting at because that is not a complete sentence.

alandavidson:
Okay, as someone who was in the military, the amount of ignorance on this thread is incredible. Why does MovieBob feel the need to say that he respects the SEALS? Because they deserve respect. Go on YouTube and just look at their training. I doubt any of you know what it feels like to be cold, wet, tired, and away from your family for months at a time. Does the military fuck up? Yes. But not as often as we are led to believe. Do things like the events portrayed in Act of Valor happen? All the damn time. There are hundreds of near-misses.

Obviously different people believe different things are worthy of respect. Yes, they have to endure difficult conditions and perform impressive physical feats, but they generally do these things on behalf of a government carrying out an illegal war in countries where no one wants them. In my eyes that makes them quite the opposite of deserving of respect. In my eyes that makes them either cruel, stupid or both. Even when they're not fucking up their actions are questionable at best.

The amount of ass kissing in the video was definitely a bit disturbing. Perhaps it's only natural for a fat man to have admiration for people with the ability to move without pulling a muscle.

Jegsimmons:

Simonism451:

Jegsimmons:
i wonder how many people on this site will criticize the movie only on a political standpoint and not an non-objective point like bob did?

and as much as people claim this is propaganda for the military gun-ho side, think about this: these movies come out once every few years if at all, the anti-war, west is wrong, and military is bad movie comes out almost every year.
Avatar
Platoon
Generation Kill
Shooter
ect.

And frankly i want to see a 'john Wayne style green beret' movie to balance all this shit out. Its annoying. At least when the Pro troop movie is out, its at least somewhat subtle and less preachy, aside from this movie we have only like, Black Hawk Down and the green berets.

Yes, Generation Kill and its hardline anti-military statements

not sure what you are getting at because that is not a complete sentence.

I think he's trying to say that Generation Kill isn't really anti-war. To me it just showed us what it was like to be on the front lines during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

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