The Big Picture: Wrongs & Rights

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MovieBob:
Wrongs & Rights

MovieBob takes a close look at what it takes to get a character from the comics into the movies.

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Ok Bob, who owns the rights to Adam Warlock? If I remember right he first appeared in the Fantastic Four as Him, and then appeared in Marvel Presents as Adam Warlock so is he Sony or Marvel? I'm hoping Marvel because well, Thanos without Warlock would be a sad sad day.

I'd say abandon Earth for the next 5 movie series. Make it a Guardians of the Galaxy series and focus on Adam Warlock, Quasar, Moondragon, and Nova (New Continuity, new rules). The overarching threat should be Thanos. One movie threats should be Korvac, Anihilius, Beyonder, and maybe Gamora.

Yeah not going to happen because outside of Galactus and Silver Surfer, who is a well known enough space character to carry a movie?

Your final joke about Warner Brothers left me in weeping hilarity. Then the hilarity faded and I just wept myself into a bucket of chicken and self pity.

well at least this will keep the avengers free of apocalypse

Well that explains alot.

I guess Marvel really regrets having to have sold those rights now that the Avengers are a BIG succes.

And I sort of feel sorry for WB for only being able to make good Batman movies.

The gritty ones. Not the others.

Evilsanta:
Well that explains alot.

I guess Marvel really regrets having to have sold those rights now that the Avengers are a BIG succes.

And I sort of feel sorry for WB for only being able to make good Batman movies.

As good as they are, these Batman movie would never be able to work in a Justice League setup, I mean Nolan has stated that the Penguin doesn't fit in with the realistic feel this Batman is going for, so how would aliens fit in with it?

Dastardly:
Going forward, Dr. Strange is the next logical choice for a stand-alone hero. He's of a different flavor from the other heroes (magic, as opposed to miscellaneous science or mythological gods), so there's room for something new.

Lots of Ant-Man friends out there, but I don't know that he could work in a stand-alone. Also, we have to ask if he's really a different enough character to add to the ensemble. Troubled science guy? We got that covered twice. He'd have to be in a shared movie (like how Black Widow was introduced via Iron Man, or Hawkeye through Thor).

Black Panther is, I feel, a character whose time has passed -- the "everything African is tribal and jungley" era in comics. The only viable reason to run with him is the racial homogeneity of the current team. That leaves us Luke Cage... and I'm not sure he's the best way to go, either. A better choice, for my money, would be a recasting of either Dr. Strange or Ant-Man as non-white.

Dr. Strange could work very well under a different race or ethnicity, as long as we avoid the tendency to make "magical minorities" so overbearingly stereotypical (basically, don't make a black Dr. Strange look like the James Bond Baron Samedi). But then again, why focus only on black? Why not Hispanic Central or South American? Indian?

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Marvel already has a magic man who isn't white, i give you brother voodoo , who is a bit of a badass.

My suggestions for spreading the culture some more are...

Generic kung-fu guy shang-chi

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(although they should just merge him with iron-fist because danial rand has a great backstory)

Unfortunately a lot of the other international character for marvel are villains (radioactive man or collective man from china,omega red from russia)

or unknowns pete wisdom (uk), sabra (isreal), ursa major.

Or worse carbon copies (captain britain, crimson dynamo, the red guard etc etc).

I wouldn't be surprised if, after the opening weekend numbers for Avengers, Disney were to aggressively pursue to get the rights back from every other studio. Aggressively pursue=overpay to buy the rights back at a cost that no studio could resist the amount of zeros on the check.

A new Fantastic Four?
I for one liked the first two, so I say bring them on.

here is a thought.. IF WB wants their own "Avenger movie"(in this case "JLA" movie) they need to contract the people who made the Avengers work, you know... the directors and writers what not.. making a Darkside VS JLA (in it which Darkside kills off Jordan, because the movie sux...) before Avengers 2 VS THANOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah.... I really care less about DC... as far as I know/care... they make great cartoon materials.. sux for movies...

The Great JT:
"...aside from Batman, Warner Bros. seems to really suck at this."

This just in, Bob has made a massive understatement. Film at 11.

Evilsanta:

And I sort of feel sorry for WB for only being able to make good Batman movies.

The gritty ones. Not the others.

See, I don't think that's very fair. With the exception of Batman, Batman Returns, and the first two Superman movies, WB is bad at making comic book movies, but they're very good at adapting comic books that are very...un-comic booky. WB is still responsible for Watchmen, V for Vendetta, The Losers, and Constantine (Constantine's not exactly the greatest but I'd still put it over a lot of the other Marvel fare).

In other words, all of their best stuff is taken from works that depart from the standard comic book plot: "My god, x is trying to take over the world by using the power of the y device!" Granted, that is the plot of Constantine, but the fact that the character is more of an amoral anti-hero saves the day.

So did Universal start kicking themselves with the reboot Incredible Hulk? Well it was for the best that they gave it back since it the Avengers film was of been very werid without him.

Sure Warners sucks with it come to live action superheroes films that isn't Batman but the one thing they got it right is the animated superheroes films which Marvel is the oppersite.

artanis_neravar:

Evilsanta:
Well that explains alot.

I guess Marvel really regrets having to have sold those rights now that the Avengers are a BIG succes.

And I sort of feel sorry for WB for only being able to make good Batman movies.

As good as they are, these Batman movie would never be able to work in a Justice League setup, I mean Nolan has stated that the Penguin doesn't fit in with the realistic feel this Batman is going for, so how would aliens fit in with it?

How the hell would I know? I am just some random guy on the internet.

Seriously though, I guess they will have to reboot the existing ones or just come with a Batman movie that fits overall with the Justice League. I guess they could make it work if they said the the Nolan movies took place in an alternate universe where magic/aliens doesn't exist.

Maybe some one that know more about this can help me out on this?

So, here's a question: Why can't the studios collaborate? Y'know, like they all go "Okay we'll make the movie and divide the gross 3 ways and split the budget 3 ways. Each of us invests 60 to 100 million, each of us is almost guaranteed to get that back and then some".

Oversimplification is now done, let's see how I'm out of touch!

LadyRhian:
Maybe Luke Cage

There is no maybe on Luke Cage, they got the Old Spice guy for him.

Evilsanta:

artanis_neravar:

Evilsanta:
Well that explains alot.

I guess Marvel really regrets having to have sold those rights now that the Avengers are a BIG succes.

And I sort of feel sorry for WB for only being able to make good Batman movies.

As good as they are, these Batman movie would never be able to work in a Justice League setup, I mean Nolan has stated that the Penguin doesn't fit in with the realistic feel this Batman is going for, so how would aliens fit in with it?

How the hell would I know? I am just some random guy on the internet.

Seriously though, I guess they will have to reboot the existing ones or just come with a Batman movie that fits overall with the Justice League. I guess they could make it work if they said the the Nolan movies took place in an alternate universe where magic/aliens doesn't exist.

Maybe some one that know more about this can help me out on this?

No, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Nolan has gone on record saying his Batman is essentially what he would be if he were to take place in our reality. Some liberties taken of course, but to be fair most of the more fantastic technology isn't that far off and with a billionaire funding it, it's not that hard to believe he could push it to be done here and now.

A reboot is going to be required, and if they are planning a JLA movie the first one in the series is likely to be Man of Steel. They may have tried it with Green Lantern but, well, make your own green turd joke.

"Warner Brothers seems to really suck at this."

Understatement of the year.

'Comics are weird' vs. 'Movies are weird'.

Clash of the weird.

Vausch:
So, here's a question: Why can't the studios collaborate? Y'know, like they all go "Okay we'll make the movie and divide the gross 3 ways and split the budget 3 ways. Each of us invests 60 to 100 million, each of us is almost guaranteed to get that back and then some".

Oversimplification is now done, let's see how I'm out of touch!

Actually, there's not a whole lot of reason why they can't, other than general unwillingness. Sony doesn't want to have to submit to Marvel Studios' mandates regarding their continuity (and to share more of the profits in order to do so), and Marvel makes money whether or not they make the movie in-studio.

What we'll have to wait and see is whether or not Avengers has raised the expectations of movie-going audiences such that they won't want to see a Marvel movie that DOESN'T take place in the larger universe. In other words, if Amazing Spider-Man fails, we will either see Marvel Studios getting many of their rights back, or Sony and Fox will start actively collaborating.

Of course, there's a chance that Disney will discourage any such collaboration, seeing Sony and Fox as competitors.

So yeah. It's not just about money. It's about whether or not the studios can make MORE money through collaboration and whether or not that extra money is worth sharing IP's (something Disney has never been eager to do).

Vausch:

Evilsanta:

artanis_neravar:
As good as they are, these Batman movie would never be able to work in a Justice League setup, I mean Nolan has stated that the Penguin doesn't fit in with the realistic feel this Batman is going for, so how would aliens fit in with it?

How the hell would I know? I am just some random guy on the internet.

Seriously though, I guess they will have to reboot the existing ones or just come with a Batman movie that fits overall with the Justice League. I guess they could make it work if they said the the Nolan movies took place in an alternate universe where magic/aliens doesn't exist.

Maybe some one that know more about this can help me out on this?

No, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Nolan has gone on record saying his Batman is essentially what he would be if he were to take place in our reality. Some liberties taken of course, but to be fair most of the more fantastic technology isn't that far off and with a billionaire funding it, it's not that hard to believe he could push it to be done here and now.

So all WB has to do is just come up with a Batman movie that fits with Justice League. Though the problem with that I guess is, Would people watch a non Nolan Batman movie? I guess with the right cast and directors and writers they could pull it off.

Also come up with a Green Lantern movie that doesn't suck.

Wouldn't adding any of the superheroes from any of the other copyrighted movies basically be free advertising for those other films?

You succeeded at making that interesting. I was actually hoping it would be for longer :D

Not much I didn't know beyond how deep the scope of IP went. I was surprised by the lack of someone reading the Daily Bugle about the Mutant Menace. Then again, I'm amazed no one dropped the name Pym or Cage. And in fairness, it's not like crossover is a physical impossibilty, just that the studios can't or won't negotiate and play nice with each other long enough to do so.

On future Avengers and crossovers, well, I suppose the most obvious ones will come from the spin off movies: She Hulk, Falcon, Hercules or Beta Ray Bill, then add new stuff of Doc Stange, Ant Man et al. But since they're doing Thanos, while Warlock is the obvious choice, the first on to stop his universal destruction was Captain Marvel: an honerary Avenger and probably a better fit with easier to deal with baggage (and gives us Ms. Marvel) so I say go that route.

And I do have renewed hope for that Runaways movie.

The Great JT:
"...aside from Batman, Warner Bros. seems to really suck at this."

This just in, Bob has made a massive understatement. Film at 11.

Warner just have to say "Bruce Timm here's $300 million make us an awesome justice league movie" and it's done.

I've known all of this for a really long time but really appreciate Bob going over it. Whenever I hear things like "Dude, the after-credits scene in Spider-Man is totally gonna be him joining The Avengers!" It drives me crazy, yeah it would be super awesome to get a team like The New Avengers together but you need to realize that it is currently impossible! I just want all the non Marvel Studio's movies to fail miserably, so maybe everyone else will just give up and hand the characters back without ruining them further. It is why I was actually kinda sad when First Class was awesome, "Great! Now I have to wait at least five more years to see Wolverine fight the Hulk!"

Disney should just bite the bullet and use their giant piles of money to get the characters back, I think I would finally be able to fully accept them as the overlords of the Marvel Universe if they did that.

In summation: copyright law is insane. The moment studios get complete control over an IP and cut the original creator out of the loop, that's the moment it stops making sense to me why any court in the country would rule in favor of this crap. And this is why we get a Spiderman movie that no sane person would ever want to be made.

I know it's not a huge comic, fame wise, but could someone please make a Dr.strange Movie

The new x-men was low budget? That movie was awesome. Seemes like you don't have to spent THAT much money for a movie to turn out awesome.

I was really hoping for more of an assessment on how studios handled translating widespread comic narrative of characters into a massively more popular medium; what elements they decide to strengthen, pull back, add, or outright drop as to make it more accessible to the movie demographics; but I guess that's not what Bob's best at.

Still though this is interesting enough, I actually had no clue how messy the movie rights for the marvel universe were.

The trailer for Spider Man was playing right before Avengers, and I got the feeling that the only reason they were doing it was to have Spiderman in 3D, but I guess your reason is much more logical. I wonder if it'd be worth it for Marvel to buy the licences back...
I've seen a lot of people talking about Antman, why do people want an Antman movie?
I'm hoping for a Dr. Strange movie, personally. Deadpool would be a lot of fun, but that could be hard.

Columbia Pictures is a sub-branch of Sony Pictures(same as New Line is Warner Bros.)

So that just leaves X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Daredevil with Fox Studios, and Spider-man and Ghostrider with Sony.

Dastardly:

Dr. Strange could work very well under a different race or ethnicity, as long as we avoid the tendency to make "magical minorities" so overbearingly stereotypical (basically, don't make a black Dr. Strange look like the James Bond Baron Samedi). But then again, why focus only on black? Why not Hispanic Central or South American? Indian?

I've heard that the next round of Marvel Studio's films will deal with the more magical side of the universe as opposed to technology, which we've seen more of in this run. Not sure how true it is but I think Dr. Strange is a very likely candidate, however I don't think they'd risk making him a different ethnicity, I'll let Donald Glover tell you why (starts at about 1:00).

Aiddon:
or it's just that DC's characters are INFINITELY more difficult to write for considering how things are set up. They're very idealized which doesn't exactly make for plausible drama unless you go through heavy rewrites. By no means are they bad characters, but most of them don't have the right kind of baggage. Batman is easy to write for considering his origin story.

You have obviously never seen Young Justice. One of the most impressive and character driven comic book related shows that has ever been on TV.

Bob Chipman, I love you. Your videos are amazing. They are hilarious, informative, clever, and otherwise exactly what I look for on the internet; they light up my life. But I swear, the next time I hear that "BLAARGHL, ARE, WEEEEEEEEEEEEIIRRD" I will turn off the video and give up on ever watching this again.

I know, no big loss on your part, but I just want you to think about how annoying some of us find that shtick. It was funny, then it was tolerable, now it's just awful. Awful! I don't know what irritates me so much about it, but I watch these videos to unwind and that "joke" makes it hard to not just get MORE annoyed than i was.

Evilsanta:

Vausch:

Evilsanta:

How the hell would I know? I am just some random guy on the internet.

Seriously though, I guess they will have to reboot the existing ones or just come with a Batman movie that fits overall with the Justice League. I guess they could make it work if they said the the Nolan movies took place in an alternate universe where magic/aliens doesn't exist.

Maybe some one that know more about this can help me out on this?

No, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Nolan has gone on record saying his Batman is essentially what he would be if he were to take place in our reality. Some liberties taken of course, but to be fair most of the more fantastic technology isn't that far off and with a billionaire funding it, it's not that hard to believe he could push it to be done here and now.

So all WB has to do is just come up with a Batman movie that fits with Justice League. Though the problem with that I guess is, Would people watch a non Nolan Batman movie? I guess with the right cast and directors and writers they could pull it off.

Also come up with a Green Lantern movie that doesn't suck.

Well, when you get right down to it most of the superhero movies as of late tend to follow a similar formula, Nolan's are just more down to earth than the others. It probably wouldn't be that much of a stretch to introduce the characters, but the issue there is it's still taking a fairly realistic setting and sprinkling it with elements of the fantastic. But again, it all has to start somewhere for them, maybe a token mention of Kryptonite or Bane's Venom rather than whatever he's using in TDKR.

You'd think it wouldn't have been that hard, would it? "Hey, there's a comic here called Green Lantern: Secret Origin that is really all we need, let's use that!" -"Nah, I got a better idea. Remember the really positive responses FOX got to making Galactus into a giant smoke monster? Let's do that!"

Y'know what was one little thing that kinda irked me about GL in retrospect? The rings are supposed to be translating what the aliens are saying from their native languages, so why do all of their lip movements synch with English?

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