Removing One's Rocks

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Removing One's Rocks

Actually, no. Not a better love story than Twilight.

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Is the comic implying that Erin doesn't already run a ninja clan/pop band?

For shame.

So is this an example of foot in mouth disease?

Grey Carter:
Actually, no. Not a better love story than Twilight.

Actually that's still a bit of a grey area.

DVS BSTrD:

Grey Carter:
Actually, no. Not a better love story than Twilight.

Actually that's still a bit of a grey area.

50 shades of Carter.

*thinks*

Not my kind of thing. No offense, Grey.

I went to see a ninja/pop band. Very disappointed, couldn't see or hear them.

For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

And, uhh, obligatory, I don't eat ice cream when I watch porn or a porn derivative (such as a proper visual novel). You need both hands free... to work the keyboard and mouse.

Classy...

DVS BSTrD:

Grey Carter:
Actually, no. Not a better love story than Twilight.

Actually that's still a bit of a grey area.

Hey, he's not here to carter to your specific needs.

OT: Laughed my frickin' ass off. You've been making me do that a lot recently, Grey, just don't let Corey take the story reigns again. Ever. >.>

DVS BSTrD:

Grey Carter:
Actually, no. Not a better love story than Twilight.

Actually that's still a bit of a grey area.

*Ties you to a St. Andrews Cross face first and whips you fifty times for each pun with a barbed wire flogger*

Mistress Gentleman does not tolerate puns!

The Gentleman:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

And, uhh, obligatory, I don't eat ice cream when I watch porn or a porn derivative (such as a proper visual novel). You need both hands free... to work the keyboard and mouse.

Classy...

Well now you've made me want to read the book just as a "what-not-to-do" manual. Still not going to read it, but now I want to.

I have never understood the appeal of "romance" novels/visual novels/lenghty films with porn in them. To me, its going through tedious and laughingly terrible plot with a halfboner at best. Then once the "steamy" scenes happen, even if they are well made I've just lost interest by then.

I guess im more into instant gratification when it comes to porn.

I totally don't read this comic while fantasizing about Erin either... I mean... shit...

vun:

The Gentleman:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

And, uhh, obligatory, I don't eat ice cream when I watch porn or a porn derivative (such as a proper visual novel). You need both hands free... to work the keyboard and mouse.

Classy...

Well now you've made me want to read the book just as a "what-not-to-do" manual. Still not going to read it, but now I want to.

Yeah, don't bite your lip, talk about your inner goddess or refer to your genitals as "down there".

That's my girlfriend right there. Yup.

She plays dating sims AND reads smut like 50 Shades of Grey XD

50 shades of dick. Subtle.

Funny that there are entire genres of anime that are just like that.

At least I don't read my porn/VN/Doujin in public/living room or tell everybody about it.
I'm fine with porn, I just don't think it's something you share with people you don't have sex with.

Piorn:
At least I don't read my porn/VN/Doujin in public/living room or tell everybody about it.

Would you be horrified if I told you I saw a dude hiding his face in a bus, reading 50 Shades of Grey?

OT: Heh. Heh heh. Erin's expression is priceless.

I thought 50 Shades had it's primary market with older women, hence the term "mummy porn", which was quite upsetting when I discovered it didn't involve a man covered in bandages punishing the naughty ladies who broke into his tomb.

Are middle-aged mothers incapable of sustaining normal human relationships, according to this comic?

The Gentleman:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

I've seen this argument a lot, but I rarely see it applied to other things.

Not a lot of people kick a fuss over video games manshooters and how they give unrealistic depictions of what it's like to be in a war, or even use a gun.

Or that racing game's encourage people to drive haphazardly.

The book wasn't meant to be a how-to guide on BDSM. It's a work of fiction about some messed up people doing stupid things (with a ridiculous premise). It's meant to entertain, to titillate, not educate. And why should it? Not everything needs to be about that.

I've never read the thing myself, the eye-roll worthy anecdotes from my partners read-through were more than enough for me. It just seems this is a rather unfair standard because it has to do with sex.

canadamus_prime:
So is this an example of foot in mouth disease?

heh! nice one.

Chronic foot in mouth disease at that..
how about an 'ironically hypocritical freudian effronterie.'

shame it's so unwieldy!

Yes, Cory and Grey, you are the straightest shotas.

This is the first comic in quite a bit that I can really relate to.

I expected Erin to play Hatoful Boyfriend after that statement, I'm disappoint.

Jumwa:

The Gentleman:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

I've seen this argument a lot, but I rarely see it applied to other things.

Not a lot of people kick a fuss over video games manshooters and how they give unrealistic depictions of what it's like to be in a war, or even use a gun.

Or that racing game's encourage people to drive haphazardly.

The book wasn't meant to be a how-to guide on BDSM. It's a work of fiction about some messed up people doing stupid things (with a ridiculous premise). It's meant to entertain, to titillate, not educate. And why should it? Not everything needs to be about that.

I've never read the thing myself, the eye-roll worthy anecdotes from my partners read-through were more than enough for me. It just seems this is a rather unfair standard because it has to do with sex.

Sexual fantasies are a whole fuck of a lot easier to act on than your dreams of going on a shooting spree.
You're comparing different situations here that are in no way equivalent.

*thinks for a while*
Everyone is entitled to picking their own poison. Don't judge and you won't be judged.

lacktheknack:

Piorn:
At least I don't read my porn/VN/Doujin in public/living room or tell everybody about it.

Would you be horrified if I told you I saw a dude hiding his face in a bus, reading 50 Shades of Grey?

I wouldn't be horrified, I'd just say it's bold. Sure you could run around with porn in public, but personally, I think it's nobodies business what porn I read, so I keep it for myself.
And I respect it if he likes that sort of thing, but it makes it awkward to chat with that person about books. When someone asks me what I'm currently reading, I only mention the sfw stuff either.

cynicalsaint1:

Sexual fantasies are a whole fuck of a lot easier to act on than your dreams of going on a shooting spree.
You're comparing different situations here that are in no way equivalent.

So why do driving games get a pass?

Why do movies that display really bad depictions of working out go unnoticed?

You cherry picked one little part of what I said and ignored the whole point (and other example). And I never said anything about a "shooting spree". I spoke of gun use and warzone combat, neither of which is illegal in and of itself, and judging by gun ownership rates in countries like the US and Canada, it's not a very uncommon or difficult thing for people to own and use guns.

The funniest part of the panel was the straightest shotas remark.

DVS BSTrD:
Actually that's still a bit of a grey area.

I'm starting to think you're actually Horatio Caine...

At least otome games have pictures. I bet if it were called 灰色の50色気 and was a 30 hour visual novel with so many bishounen, it would be heralded as some sort of masturpiece.

50 Shades of Grey is one of the funniest books I've ever read. I don't regret reading it at all, because reading E.L. James try and epicly fail to write something sexy is hysterical.

lol this is petty true. That being said, I still like visual novels and I feel no shame at all.

Jumwa:

The Gentleman:
For the record, that book (50 Shades of Gray, and yes, I know that the title is something else, but let's be honest as to what it's referring to) is terrible. Like the original work the fanfic was based on (Twilight), it teaches extremely dangerous practices in a D/s relationship to the point that a sizable part of the BDSM community has read it to teach newcomers what not to do that they may have in mind.

I've seen this argument a lot, but I rarely see it applied to other things.

Not a lot of people kick a fuss over video games manshooters and how they give unrealistic depictions of what it's like to be in a war, or even use a gun.

Or that racing game's encourage people to drive haphazardly.

The book wasn't meant to be a how-to guide on BDSM. It's a work of fiction about some messed up people doing stupid things (with a ridiculous premise). It's meant to entertain, to titillate, not educate. And why should it? Not everything needs to be about that.

I've never read the thing myself, the eye-roll worthy anecdotes from my partners read-through were more than enough for me. It just seems this is a rather unfair standard because it has to do with sex.

I am always glad when someone share my opinion and write it in a better way than I was thinking.

If anything, the siliness of the book makes it less dangerous. It would be like taking hentai seriously.

50 shaders won't expect billionares and hentai readers won't rape people everywhere. The books are explicit FANTASY.

Of course it is hard to measure the real effects of fiction in the human psyche (with so many contradictory studies, even this comic lampshaded it at one point). Everybody comments about the abusive relationship between the Beauty and the Beast. Does porn and stupid violence with its inherent siliness less dangerous? Having awareness when reading is enough or it attacks in an unconscious level?

Also there is the fact that some real people just escape to fantasy and don't get out.

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And of course there are always people that are stupid and crazy enough to take anything at face value. But if we always consider them, we wouldn't even be able to tell a silly joke on the fear of someone believing it. So fuck them.

Maybe it just caught me in the right mood but I laughed hard enough to almost have tears in my eyes.

Jumwa:

I've seen this argument a lot, but I rarely see it applied to other things.

Not a lot of people kick a fuss over video games manshooters and how they give unrealistic depictions of what it's like to be in a war, or even use a gun.

Or that racing game's encourage people to drive haphazardly.

The book wasn't meant to be a how-to guide on BDSM. It's a work of fiction about some messed up people doing stupid things (with a ridiculous premise). It's meant to entertain, to titillate, not educate. And why should it? Not everything needs to be about that.

I've never read the thing myself, the eye-roll worthy anecdotes from my partners read-through were more than enough for me. It just seems this is a rather unfair standard because it has to do with sex.

Problem being the presentation. The book is marketed as a romance, the author claims it's a romance, and it's sold as one and taken as one, and that's been the pop culture reaction to it.

Instead, it's some vanilla sex attached, a shitload of boring paperwork (Really, there's a big bullshit faux-legal contract in there which is well worth a chuckle. Even the characters realise eventually that their special contract that takes up a quarter of the story is legally unenforceable) to an abusive relationship which presents people who enjoy BDSM as mentally ill, the mentally ill as simply being in need of the right lover to cure them, and stalking and domestic violence as romantic. These things could make for a good novel, if the author was aware that the whole thing is fucked. Twilight could be a great novel if the author realized her protagonist is incredibly stupid and played it as a Greek Tragedy. Similarly, Fifty Shades of Grey could be much better if the author was aware of it. Fucked up people and fucked up relationships can make great stories. If you're aware that's what you're presenting and actually try. Instead, they aren't, and the audience isn't, which spreads wrong-headed and dangerous ideas.

Additionally, the author has gone out of her way to marginalise legitimate criticism and victims of domestic abuse, supposedly in defense of those who enjoy BDSM, although her book presents these people as mentally ill deviants.

It's just vile, all around.

A romance author named Jennifer Armintrout did a chapter by chapter critique, which is well worth a read, it's amusing, and enlightening: (NSFW, obviously) http://jenniferarmintrout.blogspot.com.au/p/jen-reads-50-shades-of-grey.html?zx=b0185aad88b991c1
Especially the bit where the whole thing lines up rather disturbingly with the warning signs for abusive relationships and battered woman syndrome.

Jumwa:

cynicalsaint1:

Sexual fantasies are a whole fuck of a lot easier to act on than your dreams of going on a shooting spree.
You're comparing different situations here that are in no way equivalent.

So why do driving games get a pass?

Why do movies that display really bad depictions of working out go unnoticed?

You cherry picked one little part of what I said and ignored the whole point (and other example). And I never said anything about a "shooting spree". I spoke of gun use and warzone combat, neither of which is illegal in and of itself, and judging by gun ownership rates in countries like the US and Canada, it's not a very uncommon or difficult thing for people to own and use guns.

Oh sorry, I thought you'd be able to put one and one together on your own, but apparently I have vastly over estimated you and will need to spell things out.

Your entire argument relies entirely on false equivalence. Sex, sexual fantasies, and sexual relationships having absolutely nothing to do with any kind of combat or driving ... well safe driving anyways. People try out new things int he bedroom all the damn time. Its normal to do. Furthermore most of us learn how to drive through some sort of drivers ed program, and soldiers have basic training, etc.

So where to couples go to learn about how to act out their BSDM fantasies without it getting abusive or even becoming rape? Probably nowhere because sex tends to be a fairly private thing for most people, and its not like sex ed covers the proper ways to approach various forms of kink. But if you pick up a popular book that you can read and get ideas from ... well ... hopefully you're getting the idea because I'm not drawing pictures for you.

You're trying to compare situations that don't even begin to be comparable here.

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