Zero Punctuation: Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag

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Thanatos2k:
AC3 was it for me - I'm done with this series. As someone who still thinks AC1 is the best game of the series because it was actually about assassinating people and not being Forrest Gump to history - it's clear they are not making games for me anymore. Plus it's clear they have no plans whatsoever to write a story with a satisfying conclusion, either in the past or the present.

The story hasn't made me excited since AC2. I've been playing it for the gameplay and even that is getting old.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Wow... 22 comments and not a single person talking about the Heath Ledger reference?

I'm honestly shocked.

I don't know whether to laugh or be offended myself. I don't really like the Dark Knight trilogy anyway.

Darth_Payn:
Glad to hear AC IV is a fecking awesome game and Yahtzee likes it.

I've always gotten the opinion that he doesn't so much 'like' a game as find only a few reasons not to.

I really need to catch up with the Assassins Creed series. Why? Because I really like pirates.

Carnagath:
Uhhh, ok, if you haven't played AC3 yet, DO NOT WATCH THIS. At least warn people before you spoil the fuck out of something THAT major, Jesus Christ...

Admittedly, now I feel like I maybe shouldn't've quit ACIII when the story was about to splurt badly written climactic ending on my face like I was a $5 hooker.

Well, it'd still spill its unsavoury load all over me, but at least I could do a little victory dance over the corpse of -SPOILER-, because really, fuck that guy.

Once again, he complains about dodgy ledge detection, but I've actually noticed that the series has fixed that pretty nicely since the first game - now any hopping between close ledges or rooftops is done by holding only the RMB, and larger leaps (like off the building) are only executed if you hold down the spacebar as well. This system has worked well in the Ezio trilogy and AC3, so I see no reason AC4 will have backtracked.

Anyway, it's good to hear that the freeform sailing and naval warfare works well - that was one of my main concerns. I preordered AC4 weeks ago anyway, because I always enjoy the freedom of parkour gameplay it offers and each new setting brings enough variety to the table to keep me engaged. A shame the PC release is delayed once more, but I know it'll put the console versions to shame so I'm not too annoyed about it.

MatsVS:
Yeah, this franchise is a huge cash cow at this point, but generally the entries are well crafted & polished, running through historical locations and stuff is consistently fun and the campaign always gives you bang for the buck. I guess my point is... well, good, keep 'em coming, please.

Yeah, I don't see a problem with a game being milked for all it's worth if the subsequent sequels are actually good. Had AC4 for a while and it is fucking amazing. Great game, can't wait for AC5!

Cid SilverWing:

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Wow... 22 comments and not a single person talking about the Heath Ledger reference?

I'm honestly shocked.

I don't know whether to laugh or be offended myself. I don't really like the Dark Knight trilogy anyway.

Trilogy? When did they make a third one?

OT: I'm glad he enjoyed it, it's a fun game and Edward is a cool guy, way better than Connor.

Thanatos2k:
... actually about assassinating people and not being Forrest Gump to history...

Out-fucking-standing, Comment of the Thread. This is the most succinct summary of the AC progression I've ever seen. Excellent wordplay, sir.

Kenbo Slice:

Cid SilverWing:

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Wow... 22 comments and not a single person talking about the Heath Ledger reference?

I'm honestly shocked.

I don't know whether to laugh or be offended myself. I don't really like the Dark Knight trilogy anyway.

Trilogy? When did they make a third one?

OT: I'm glad he enjoyed it, it's a fun game and Edward is a cool guy, way better than Connor.

The one with Bane; Dark Knight Rises.

Sansha:

Kenbo Slice:

Cid SilverWing:

I don't know whether to laugh or be offended myself. I don't really like the Dark Knight trilogy anyway.

Trilogy? When did they make a third one?

OT: I'm glad he enjoyed it, it's a fun game and Edward is a cool guy, way better than Connor.

The one with Bane; Dark Knight Rises.

I was being sarcastic because I refuse to acknowledge the shitfest that was that film.

Is there any actual... you know... assassinating in this game? Because it kind of sounds like they could have just made a completely unrelated pirate game and we'd all have been better off.

Actually what it sounds like is that they realized that the only part of AC3 people liked was the ship side-missions, so they decided to make an entire game out of them, and they stapled the Assassin's Creed title to it because they couldn't think of anything better to do with it.

PunkRex:
Kenway's Welsh?... LOAD THE CANNONS WITH CHEESE TOASTIES MEN! That will distract him, HAR HAR HAR, God save the queen.

Welsh Rarebit is the dish, not cheese on toast... This public announcment was brought to you by the "Know Your Melted Cheese" brigade!

OT, some are getting fed up of the AC series, I'm falling in love with it all over again. My heart was broken by III but a charming pirate stole my heart!

Thanks for the fuckin' AC3 spoiler, Yahtzee.

Random Wanderer:
Is there any actual... you know... assassinating in this game? Because it kind of sounds like they could have just made a completely unrelated pirate game and we'd all have been better off.

Actually what it sounds like is that they realized that the only part of AC3 people liked was the ship side-missions, so they decided to make an entire game out of them, and they stapled the Assassin's Creed title to it because they couldn't think of anything better to do with it.

Yeah, there's assassinating.

For some reason the picture where Kenway sails past link *mornin'* only to have the next frame show link scrambling for his mast in the water - made me laugh out loud.
Well put together episode this one.

Gorfias:

TiberiusEsuriens:

THANK GOD. I've been playing a bunch of games lately with excessive escort quests

Hah! Every such mission ever:

Haha, yeah. I thought about posting that but you beat me to it. Typically before rage quitting I like to empty my clip into them just to vent a bit. Helps a lot!

Kargathia:

Carnagath:
Uhhh, ok, if you haven't played AC3 yet, DO NOT WATCH THIS. At least warn people before you spoil the fuck out of something THAT major, Jesus Christ...

Admittedly, now I feel like I maybe shouldn't've quit ACIII when the story was about to splurt badly written climactic ending on my face like I was a $5 hooker.

Well, it'd still spill its unsavoury load all over me, but at least I could do a little victory dance over the corpse of -SPOILER-, because really, fuck that guy.

You'd think so, but no, no victory dance.

Mylinkay Asdara:

Kargathia:

Carnagath:
Uhhh, ok, if you haven't played AC3 yet, DO NOT WATCH THIS. At least warn people before you spoil the fuck out of something THAT major, Jesus Christ...

Admittedly, now I feel like I maybe shouldn't've quit ACIII when the story was about to splurt badly written climactic ending on my face like I was a $5 hooker.

Well, it'd still spill its unsavoury load all over me, but at least I could do a little victory dance over the corpse of -SPOILER-, because really, fuck that guy.

You'd think so, but no, no victory dance.

I can't help but think it can't be a coincidence that the evil Templar-run video game company that bought Ubisoft is called AE.

Enlong:

Mylinkay Asdara:

Kargathia:

Snip.

You'd think so, but no, no victory dance.

I can't help but think it can't be a coincidence that the evil Templar-run video game company that bought Ubisoft is called AE.

Okay, whole response in the spoiler tags b/c I don't want to derail this thread.

Mylinkay Asdara:

Enlong:

Mylinkay Asdara:

You'd think so, but no, no victory dance.

I can't help but think it can't be a coincidence that the evil Templar-run video game company that bought Ubisoft is called AE.

Okay, whole response in the spoiler tags b/c I don't want to derail this thread.

Enlong:

Mylinkay Asdara:

Enlong:

I can't help but think it can't be a coincidence that the evil Templar-run video game company that bought Ubisoft is called AE.

Okay, whole response in the spoiler tags b/c I don't want to derail this thread.

To me it just smacks of the Quest for More Money as if

then there couldn't be more forays into the past (read: more games).

The amount of defending of Yahtzee for spoiling the ending to AC3 is kind of appalling. It would have been easy enough to avoid and it *was* pretty thoughtless for those of us who may still be working through the series but still wants to watch his weekly reviews.

Who cares how important it is to the overall story. A major spoiler is a major spoiler and shouldn't just be mentioned offhandedly a year after the game was released.

Wheher it should be defened notwithstanding, it's not like this is a new thing. Check his review of Revelations for much the same thing.

tzimize:

Carnagath:
Uhhh, ok, if you haven't played AC3 yet, DO NOT WATCH THIS. At least warn people before you spoil the fuck out of something THAT major, Jesus Christ...

So...if people still havent finished the 3rd Ass, why exactly would they want to know anything about games further on in the series? Kinda hard to talk about them without watching out for a bunch of story spoilers, no?

I was mad for half a second then realized "Fuck it, I stopped playing AssCreedIII because it was boring. Now I don't have to finish it."

Black Flag will still get a shot though, because pirates.

Lvl 64 Klutz:
The amount of defending of Yahtzee for spoiling the ending to AC3 is kind of appalling. It would have been easy enough to avoid and it *was* pretty thoughtless for those of us who may still be working through the series but still wants to watch his weekly reviews.

Who cares how important it is to the overall story. A major spoiler is a major spoiler and shouldn't just be mentioned offhandedly a year after the game was released.

How could he avoid it? By not speaking about the story?

"Oh some lad gets killed and dissected, his brain is used to go back in time to create a thousand Assassin's Creed games".

Desmond is known as the only person whom we use to go back in time, it's a hard spoiler to avoid. It'd be like trying to explain the story of Halo 3 without mentioning the fact that the Arbiter's on your side now.

Evonisia:

How could he avoid it? By not speaking about the story?

"Oh some lad gets killed and dissected, his brain is used to go back in time to create a thousand Assassin's Creed games".

Desmond is known as the only person whom we use to go back in time, it's a hard spoiler to avoid. It'd be like trying to explain the story of Halo 3 without mentioning the fact that the Arbiter's on your side now.

Why does the story synopsis in a review have to be so detailed? "The Templars are up to their usual shenanigans and this time we're taken back to follow the story of so-and-so as he rises through the pirate ranks."

I can't give a damn about the AC storyline anymore. Yahtzee's right, its a line graph. Ubisoft can shoehorn in space cows and velociraptors and it can still be an AC game as long as its got the climby, stabby parts.

Since Assassin's Creed takes historical settings for its plot, its got a massive idea bucket that's not gonna run out anytime soon. Its yet to cover feudal Japan, ancient Egypt, old India, Aztecs and Mesopotamia. I used to dream about time travelling to famous periods but well... not like this.

I have to agree with Yahtzee; you spend so much time out at sea, you really don't want to go on land for more than a few minutes. It did get a bit tedious that many other ships were more overpowered than you were early on, but all-in-all, I liked the whole sailing business. Will it work for new games? Eh...maybe?

That line graph was a pretty epic explanation for the series as a whole though. The way that the series presents the conflict of the Templars and the Assassins is a philosophical one, and a conflict that can't be solved. Period. Because of that, Ubisoft will never be able to create a believable "happily ever after" ending. The present day stuff will just end with a temporary victory for one side, before the other gains the upper hand again. Its like the Templars say "The only requirement for the Templars to exist is that the world be what it is."

Don't get me wrong though, I still love the series, and I hope that it can adequately continue to present new time frames for us to explore, and HOPEFULLY solve the whole present day stuff.

Lvl 64 Klutz:

Evonisia:

How could he avoid it? By not speaking about the story?

"Oh some lad gets killed and dissected, his brain is used to go back in time to create a thousand Assassin's Creed games".

Desmond is known as the only person whom we use to go back in time, it's a hard spoiler to avoid. It'd be like trying to explain the story of Halo 3 without mentioning the fact that the Arbiter's on your side now.

Why does the story synopsis in a review have to be so detailed? "The Templars are up to their usual shenanigans and this time we're taken back to follow the story of so-and-so as he rises through the pirate ranks."

Saying that we're following the adventures of so-and-so would just be pointless. The (name of the) character isn't exactly a small detail, it's one of the major parts of the story. Considering the fact that this is an Assassin's Creed game it would just raise the question of whether it's Desmond or not, too.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Wow... 22 comments and not a single person talking about the Heath Ledger reference?

I'm honestly shocked.

I for one was incredibly offended and request he go back and mutilate his review to appease my outrage.

/OP AC4 had me from "open world + pirates & looting", I could give two fucks about the story. I'll be sure to pick it up eventually.

As much as I loved the naval aspect in AC3 and am looking forward to it in AC:BF, I feel that if they do another game after this with sailing in it they will have worn out the gameplay mechanic. This review seems positive enough for Yahtzee that I expect I will enjoy the game on PC.

I felt the review was quite positive! AC:Bf is a heck of a lot better than AC3 and a lot more fun. And more colourful. Edward Kenway is so much better than Connor, he actually has some personality and I love it that he comes from Swansea!

I have to admit though I do spend most of the time on the ship, so end up doing more pirating than assassinating. The naval combat is one of the best things in this game.

Lvl 64 Klutz:
The amount of defending of Yahtzee for spoiling the ending to AC3 is kind of appalling. It would have been easy enough to avoid and it *was* pretty thoughtless for those of us who may still be working through the series but still wants to watch his weekly reviews.

Who cares how important it is to the overall story. A major spoiler is a major spoiler and shouldn't just be mentioned offhandedly a year after the game was released.

It has long been my policy not to watch ZP reviews of games I intend to play but have not done so yet, or their sequels.

It's a policy I recommend you adopt as well. You'd think this would be common sense.

the tailing missions are horrible, but then again I've always hated them since the previous AC games. Black Flag I felt did a better job at allowing you to tail folk but it's still not fun x.x

that being said the sailing missions and free roam is amazing loll
I'm hoping AC will eventually do something real good with the whole Assassin Order and stuff again, but I can't help but enjoy the heck out of the pirating haha

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