Peaceful World of Warcraft Player Hits Max Level Without Kills

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Mazty:

MGlBlaze:

Challenge: Avoiding monsters, trying to escape without dying if she got engaged by a monster (If you're not already mounted - and you wouldn't be if in the middle of gathering - this is very hard if not impossible as you can't mount in combat. I suppose there's shadowmeld but that's on a two-minute cooldown) without fighting back. Avoiding enemy players if on a PvP server. The lack of quests and other such things - as well as the profile - shows a complete lack of gear as well, which would make surviving a lot harder.

And what the hell do you think 'factor in the player' means? Subjectivity, my dear boy. What one individual finds a boring chore another might find relaxing or even fun. Yes, this might surprise you, but people out there have a lot of different opinions, interests and beliefs. Some might even not be the same as yours! Amazing, isn't it?

Okay, enough of being needlessly condescending; seriously, exactly what do you have against the way this player has chosen to enjoy themselves? Okay, yes, you mentioned some things about 're-enforcing stereotypes' and that South Park episode, but South Park is mostly about humor and satire so should not be taken seriously anyway, and it's hard to reinforce stereotypes with one and precisely one person. Actually, wouldn't the stereotype be mindlessly killing anything that moves or devoting hours to a single Raid, not being a pacifist? Those arguments don't really hold water.

Actually I play WoW a little myself, and another stereotype could be people constantly whining about patch changes ruining one class, making another overpowered, making suggestions that would only result in their prefer ed class being overpowered, et cetera. Then again the constant whining seems to be what a lot of gamers do in general, which is a real shame. I play a Paladin and the 20-second Word of Glory cooldown for protection and retribution is a shame, but I'm also seeing many other buffs and changes that seem to have some potential for being quite good for Paladins at first glance. But no, everyone focuses on the WoG nerf.

But I'm going off on a tangent now.

I fail to see how the way this player has gone about the game would have any negative impact on anyone other than the people who decide to get annoyed about it because they don't personally approve.

Avoiding monsters is hardly a challenge, especially as a healing class where you can quickly negate any damage taken. Also when we consider the complete lack of AI in WoW, avoiding monsters is hardly a challenge. If they engaged on sight, it would be extremely hard, but this is not the case.
Don't refer to me as 'boy' when I am your elder ;) Let's be honest, no one should find extreme repetition entertaining. Actually scratch that, indicators of autism are engaging in extreme repetitive behaviour.
What I have against it is that everytime gaming looks like it may be socially accepted, it takes on step backwards because of some peoples actions. South Park had a point - that is how people can perceive WoW players, and when someone buries so much time into a needless act, it goes to reinforce such sterotypes. The sterotype of WoW players are people who spend far too much time in front of their PC, sacrificing social life for a game. Spending so much time to level to 85 without questing goes to reinforce that sterotype. And yes you are right, one sterotype is that people do whine about patches etc, but this all falls under one umbrella: nerd. Whether it is true or not is subjective, but what was done here just gives more ammo for the "WoW is for nerds" crowd.

Upon what are you basing who is whom's elder? I don't care very much for an arbitrary number associated with how long someone has been alive anyway - I prefer how someone acts. Although if you did claim you were older it's just something as simple as putting a number down, and I have no reason to believe it. Likewise though my profile lists my age as 21, for all you know I could be 12. Or 30. Or 50. So the question of our respective ages is moot.

Also, I have a legitimate diagnosis for Aspergers Syndrome. I suggest you take greater care in what you're saying. I am likely to be one of the more tollerant types of person.

Moving on, you once again asert that 'no one should find extreme repetition entertaining' with no argument to back that up. For that matter you aren't saying why you consider gathering herbs to be extreme repetition over fighting monsters or attempting the same raid dungeons n number of times. Of for any other game for that matter**. You're just stating it and expecting people to accept it, and it is approaching the Argumentum ad Nauseum fallacy. The same goes for your near-constant citation of that episode of South Park.

Okay, I'll give you this, I suppose it could re-inforce that steriotype... if you tell it to someone who has a pre-concieved narrow view in the first place, in which case it is doubtful that anything would change their minds anyway. It also seems that you are making those same assumptions - where in the article says she poured far too much time into it? Can you prove that he/she accomplished this at the cost of a social life or work? The player more likely played for a bit every now and then to fill in free time or something. Alternatively if the player did pour in a significant amount of time a day into the endevoar, there is still no way to tell if this was at the cost of their own personal lives.

A steriotype that is perpetuated not by the actions of those who are targeted by the stereotype, but by people who jump to conclusions without considering any possible alternatives no matter how likely.

Yes, the player could have wasted a lot of time and could have lost friends, family, jobs et cetera, but 'could' isn't good enough for me and it shouldn't be good enough for anyone with a little 'common'* sense.

So, the only reason that gaming will be taking a step back because of this is if many other people arrive at the same baseless conclusions you seem to have done. I have no doubt that this will happen no matter what, but I'm still not convinced how this player specifically will have done anything to make the apparent situation worse than it apparently already is.

As for the issue of difficulty, I'm not familiar with how healing classes play, but I'd like you to explain a few things to me. Mobs often seem to be able to follow for a significant distance and most travel at a faster speed than the player can. There is also a monster daze affect that can happen if the player has their back turned to a mob, which was designed into the game to stop people from just rushing through dungeons. Taking into acount various delays and interupt effects, as well as the fact that he/she never killed a mob to get them off him/her, I would like to hear your explaination for why it would be just as simple as healing off the damage that was being done.

*Not very common at all, unfortunately.
**In FPSes you generally just shoot anyone deemed the opponent, in games like Rock Band you're just pressing buttons when the game tells you to, in RTSes you're moving your dudes around to blow up things that aren't your dudes, in platformers you're jumping to different bits of the level. If you boil things down, every game ever becomes 'extremely repetitive'; the differences is presentation or maybe some gimmicks that have been thrown in. Repetition can be overcome by good design hiding it or if the player sets themselves a goal to overcome it themselves. Yes, I suppose this means I'm admitting that gathering herbs all the time would be repetitive, but I don't see how questing or dungeons are that much different.

Also this individual made a good point, so I'm going to put this here;

Chiefwakka:
When you don't enjoy the journey it's called a grind.

When you do enjoy the journey it's called fun.

On a mostly unrelated note, I'm going to put this here right now to rob a possible 'funny' person making a snarky comment about this argument to either of is of their satisfaction in the event it happens.

MGlBlaze:

Odlus:

MGlBlaze:

Therefore what was the point of mindless repetition to do something that essentially doesn't need to be done?

You just pretty much described gaming in a nutshell, now sit back, grab a drink, and stop worrying about such silly things.

I'm a little confused - that part of my post was quoting Mazty on something he said so I could try and argue against it specifically. Though my argument was pretty much what you said about it more or less being Gaming in a nutshell.

Yeah, I messed up the quote tree. Sorry about that :p

edit: Anyway, the only stereotype I see being reinforced is from the comments about how this is just a waste of time because there's "no challenge" and that it's "pointless repetition." Challenge doesn't necessarily have to be a requirement for something to be fun and the problem with comments like "pointless repetition" is that gaming in general can be called just that. All you do in Counter-Strike is kill people, how tedious us that?

And using South Park as your argument is pretty silly; at the end of the day the point of South Park is to be funny, and making fun of fat, anti-social gamers is funny. Leveling up without killing anything isn't anymore a "waste of time" than anything else someone might do in that, or any other, game.

I think she needs to get some serious recognition from Blizzard for this. A special award maybe?

He or she deserves an achievement

Everbloom explains a bit more how this all happened:

I started her shortly after the xp for gathering thing came out, played her for a few days, got to about 12 or 15 and thought to myself "This is going to take forever, I'll never be the first to do this" and more or less put her on the back burner, she was my collector, I only took her out if I needed stuff for alts, or if I was watching TV on the laptop I would fly around doing archaeolgy.
Totally blown away that I was first, I keep checking this thread waiting to see a "I did this 2 months ago!!" post.
I didn't work at this 24/7 for the last 6 months, once you get the hang of it the XP (especially with rested xp) is awesome.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2353107047?page=16 post#302

That's... quite nutty. Congratulations and stay the fuck away from me, lady.

MGlBlaze:
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I am older than you therefore I'm your elder.
How can we be discussing societies views on something if you've been diagnosed with a disorder which means you will suffer with problems in social interaction? A paraplegic from birth can't talk about the wonders of running...This makes any debate with you entirely futile and irrelevant. This isn't an ad hominem but a hard truth.

If it can be done it will be done, simple as that. Kudos for doing somthing no one had done before :D. I don't even like WoW and I'm impressed

Wow. That's quite the feat. Not killing anything, no quests, just leveling without killing anything. I wonder what she plans to do with the druid - keep it's kill record pristine, or engage in end-game content like a normal 85?

Infernai:
Ten bucks says that this Everbloom person is actually Hideo Kojima...or Vash the Stampede.

Not the first one, of course. After all, if you do nothing but run around picking flowers and screaming about The Patriots and the war economy then you'll get declared a bot in no time flat. :D

...actually, that might be a fun bot to make.

OT: Cool idea, I've heard of people trying this before. But cripe, there isn't much XP to harvesting... she must have had an Everquest-level grind.

That's...that's so much time. I can't even imagine. o_O

I give this player props for completing it and sticking it all out. That's an ungodly amount of dedication right there.

I wonder if its still possible to get to max level only killing boars......

Mazty:

MGlBlaze:
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I am older than you therefore I'm your elder.
How can we be discussing societies views on something if you've been diagnosed with a disorder which means you will suffer with problems in social interaction? A paraplegic from birth can't talk about the wonders of running...This makes any debate with you entirely futile and irrelevant. This isn't an ad hominem but a hard truth.

For that I have only your word. Regardless, you being older or younger holds absolutely no meaning to me.

Also; it is Ad Hominem as you have, rather than actually made arguments to defeat my own arguments, immediately pointed to a disorder I have and says that, without any basis whatsoever, renders my points irrelavent.

Also; drawing a simile with someone with a physical disability holds no ground. One could also argue that such an individual can talk about the wonders of running as well, as long as they have the powers of observation.

You also appear to be attempting to distract me from your continuing inability to lay down something concrete which defends your own points or refute mine.

People will do what people do*, I will accept that, but exactly what is wrong with the way the player has chosen to enjoy themselves? And no, don't mention it being repetitive again; some people find repetitive tasks theraputic and people can set their own goals to make things fun.
*Be idiots.

And actually, looking back, another user has been kind enough to pull this from a thread on Blizzard's site;

Jymm:
Everbloom explains a bit more how this all happened:

I started her shortly after the xp for gathering thing came out, played her for a few days, got to about 12 or 15 and thought to myself "This is going to take forever, I'll never be the first to do this" and more or less put her on the back burner, she was my collector, I only took her out if I needed stuff for alts, or if I was watching TV on the laptop I would fly around doing archaeolgy.
Totally blown away that I was first, I keep checking this thread waiting to see a "I did this 2 months ago!!" post.
I didn't work at this 24/7 for the last 6 months, once you get the hang of it the XP (especially with rested xp) is awesome.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2353107047?page=16 post#302

Hope you don't mind, Jymm.

So, since Everbloom is a character that (it seems) was played only occasionally, it seems likely that there were enough breaks and other things in between going on to stop things getting boring as well.
Wait, this changes a few things that I wasn't anticipating. Er... Looks like that argument has kind of gone nowhere. Shit.

Although this does seem to suggest that, like I said, the player probably didn't waste a lot of time doing this. Questions about what you said also still remain; namely, how would this be needless as opposed to anything else in pretty much any game out there? Why is it not possible to find repetitive tasks fun or at least relaxing? Why did you assume this was all done at the expense of everything else?

I have also yet to hear your explanation on why avoiding and getting away from the mobs is easy - as I already explained, I'm not familiar with how a druid plays.

Tom Goldman:
and only completed 1 quest by accident when she opened a letter that came in the (virtual) mail. She plans to do it again, but without opening her mail this time.

Im all for nerds wasting their time on wow, I did myself for a few years

this though is excessive and the woman needs to get a life :( what a waste of time just because you got one quest done

this seems like it belongs in the category of things labelled 'sure, you COULD do it, but why bother?'

MGlBlaze:

Mazty:

MGlBlaze:
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I am older than you therefore I'm your elder.
How can we be discussing societies views on something if you've been diagnosed with a disorder which means you will suffer with problems in social interaction? A paraplegic from birth can't talk about the wonders of running...This makes any debate with you entirely futile and irrelevant. This isn't an ad hominem but a hard truth.

For that I have only your word. Regardless, you being older or younger holds absolutely no meaning to me.

Also; it is Ad Hominem as you have, rather than actually made arguments to defeat my own arguments, immediately pointed to a disorder I have and says that, without any basis whatsoever, renders my points irrelavent.

Also; drawing a simile with someone with a physical disability holds no ground. One could also argue that such an individual can talk about the wonders of running as well, as long as they have the powers of observation.

You also appear to be attempting to distract me from your continuing inability to lay down something concrete which defends your own points or refute mine.

People will do what people do*, I will accept that, but exactly what is wrong with the way the player has chosen to enjoy themselves? And no, don't mention it being repetitive again; some people find repetitive tasks theraputic and people can set their own goals to make things fun.
*Be idiots.

And actually, looking back, another user has been kind enough to pull this from a thread on Blizzard's site;

Jymm:
Everbloom explains a bit more how this all happened:

I started her shortly after the xp for gathering thing came out, played her for a few days, got to about 12 or 15 and thought to myself "This is going to take forever, I'll never be the first to do this" and more or less put her on the back burner, she was my collector, I only took her out if I needed stuff for alts, or if I was watching TV on the laptop I would fly around doing archaeolgy.
Totally blown away that I was first, I keep checking this thread waiting to see a "I did this 2 months ago!!" post.
I didn't work at this 24/7 for the last 6 months, once you get the hang of it the XP (especially with rested xp) is awesome.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2353107047?page=16 post#302

Hope you don't mind, Jymm.

So, since Everbloom is a character that (it seems) was played only occasionally, it seems likely that there were enough breaks and other things in between going on to stop things getting boring as well.
Wait, this changes a few things that I wasn't anticipating. Er... Looks like that argument has kind of gone nowhere. Shit.

Although this does seem to suggest that, like I said, the player probably didn't waste a lot of time doing this. Questions about what you said also still remain; namely, how would this be needless as opposed to anything else in pretty much any game out there? Why is it not possible to find repetitive tasks fun or at least relaxing? Why did you assume this was all done at the expense of everything else?

I have also yet to hear your explanation on why avoiding and getting away from the mobs is easy - as I already explained, I'm not familiar with how a druid plays.

If we are discussing the social implications of this action, how can you give an accurate reply based that you have a disorder meaning your understanding of social normality is limited? It's not an ad hominem in any way, shape or form. It's saying that you cannot discuss something you do not understand. I can't discuss Quantum Physics or the intricacies of teenage life in Germany as I have no understanding, or very limited understanding of them. Your disorder means you have problems with social skills meaning you are going to be limited on how you can discuss the social repercussions of actions.
As for the running, my example as meant to be that a paraplegic cannot talk about the wonders of actually physically running as he has never participated in the activity.
What was done was an unnecessary time sink and so monotonous that it would not be conceived as normal behaviour for the average person. The fact that if you engage in extremely repetitive activities is an indicator of disorders goes to show that such actions are not normal.
If the person needed so many items for their accounts, well again this isn't good, as it shows how long they must have been playing WoW for, once again labelling this under the 'nerd' sterotype umbrella, helping to increase the social stigma of WoW.

Distorted Stu:
Funny i recently thought of games you could beat without killing anything and WoW didnt sprign to mind.

Impressive?

you cant really beat the game. there is no THE END *roll credits*.

Mazty:

MGlBlaze:

Mazty:

I am older than you therefore I'm your elder.
How can we be discussing societies views on something if you've been diagnosed with a disorder which means you will suffer with problems in social interaction? A paraplegic from birth can't talk about the wonders of running...This makes any debate with you entirely futile and irrelevant. This isn't an ad hominem but a hard truth.

For that I have only your word. Regardless, you being older or younger holds absolutely no meaning to me.

Also; it is Ad Hominem as you have, rather than actually made arguments to defeat my own arguments, immediately pointed to a disorder I have and says that, without any basis whatsoever, renders my points irrelavent.

Also; drawing a simile with someone with a physical disability holds no ground. One could also argue that such an individual can talk about the wonders of running as well, as long as they have the powers of observation.

You also appear to be attempting to distract me from your continuing inability to lay down something concrete which defends your own points or refute mine.

People will do what people do*, I will accept that, but exactly what is wrong with the way the player has chosen to enjoy themselves? And no, don't mention it being repetitive again; some people find repetitive tasks theraputic and people can set their own goals to make things fun.
*Be idiots.

And actually, looking back, another user has been kind enough to pull this from a thread on Blizzard's site;

Jymm:
Everbloom explains a bit more how this all happened:

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2353107047?page=16 post#302

Hope you don't mind, Jymm.

So, since Everbloom is a character that (it seems) was played only occasionally, it seems likely that there were enough breaks and other things in between going on to stop things getting boring as well.
Wait, this changes a few things that I wasn't anticipating. Er... Looks like that argument has kind of gone nowhere. Shit.

Although this does seem to suggest that, like I said, the player probably didn't waste a lot of time doing this. Questions about what you said also still remain; namely, how would this be needless as opposed to anything else in pretty much any game out there? Why is it not possible to find repetitive tasks fun or at least relaxing? Why did you assume this was all done at the expense of everything else?

I have also yet to hear your explanation on why avoiding and getting away from the mobs is easy - as I already explained, I'm not familiar with how a druid plays.

If we are discussing the social implications of this action, how can you give an accurate reply based that you have a disorder meaning your understanding of social normality is limited? It's not an ad hominem in any way, shape or form. It's saying that you cannot discuss something you do not understand. I can't discuss Quantum Physics or the intricacies of teenage life in Germany as I have no understanding, or very limited understanding of them. Your disorder means you have problems with social skills meaning you are going to be limited on how you can discuss the social repercussions of actions.
As for the running, my example as meant to be that a paraplegic cannot talk about the wonders of actually physically running as he has never participated in the activity.
What was done was an unnecessary time sink and so monotonous that it would not be conceived as normal behaviour for the average person. The fact that if you engage in extremely repetitive activities is an indicator of disorders goes to show that such actions are not normal.
If the person needed so many items for their accounts, well again this isn't good, as it shows how long they must have been playing WoW for, once again labelling this under the 'nerd' sterotype umbrella, helping to increase the social stigma of WoW.

Yet those of us that can run almost invariably never think about it - to us, it's just something we use to get around.

And yes it as Ad Hominem as once again you point to the fact that I have Aspergers Syndrome rather than make a real argument beyond some more Argumentum ad Nauseum. I have also already stated that while there are some things I don't get, I also have far less social trouble than you seem to think I have - case in point, I have friends and we go out and do stuff together, as friends do.

If you play World of Warcraft you should know how resource-heavy some professions are. Alchemy, Inscription, Blacksmithing, Mechanics and probably some others are all very dependant on things you get from mining or herbalism - even with one production-only character it is conceivable that it would require a lot of resources. So that is potentially as little as two characters. Once again, a person can have multiple characters and still not actually put so much time into the game that their real lives begin to suffer. I'm at University, I play World of Warcraft only on the weekends, I have only been playing for a little over a month, and yet I have a paladin at level 66 with herbalism and alchemy, and a mage at level 25 with tailoring and enchanting. This is of course taking into account that I have other things to do at the weekends as well.

So tell me, do you actually play World of Warcraft? I'm starting to believe that you really don't. It would certainly explain your continuing failure to explain how escaping from the mobs would be easy and how you seem to lack knowledge on how the professions work.

Another point to counter how you say it must have been so repetitive - have you ever played a game on-and-off? As in a game that might be large, and it's something you play for a little bit every now and again and you eventually get through it? That's kind of like how the player went through the pacifist Night Elf. It wasn't a waste of time and it was unlikely to interfere with their real lives. How about games like Tetris, Bejeweled, Angry Birds or other such games? They're repetitive as all hell, but they're only meant to be quick little time-wasters. There's another potential explaination for how the player used the Night Elf.

Now, you have made so many posts constantly asserting how it MUST be boring and it MUST be abnormal and it MUST be pushing stereotypes even though very few people will likely care that another person got to level 85 but in a different way. You have yet to give any response that suggests to me that you are either in fact an intelligent human being or that you are in individual who is not merely trolling.

And this actually isn't Ad Hominem because I have also been trying to make an actual argument in addition to the insults. What I'm doing is simply being a bit rude.

MGlBlaze:
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If you have never ran, you can't comment on it. I'm failing to see how you can actually make that more complex than it is.
If you have a disorder that causes difficulties in social understanding, how can you comment on the effect an action will have socially?
To use so many resources to get someone to level 85, the person must have been spending an absurd amount of time on WoW, helping reinforce negative sterotypes. Yes I played WoW. I quit when I realised it was extremely monotonous & unchallenging, and therefore boring.
Oh wow you are being rude. Nice to see that credible cherry on the top of your argument.

i'd blow my brains out from boredom! that is some patience right there!

Very impressive. Now he should go outside and say hello to the sun!

This falls into the same category as beating Final Fantasy 7 sans materia, and other time sink [arguably pointless] pursuits. I can't chock this up to skill because anyone could do it with little more than a novice's understanding of the game. It just takes obscene amounts of time.

I guess the one thing to be said is she/he really likes WoW.

Mazty:

MGlBlaze:
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If you have never ran, you can't comment on it. I'm failing to see how you can actually make that more complex than it is.
If you have a disorder that causes difficulties in social understanding, how can you comment on the effect an action will have socially?
To use so many resources to get someone to level 85, the person must have been spending an absurd amount of time on WoW, helping reinforce negative sterotypes. Yes I played WoW. I quit when I realised it was extremely monotonous & unchallenging, and therefore boring.
Oh wow you are being rude. Nice to see that credible cherry on the top of your argument.

It's simple, really - some social reactions are rather predictable. Others aren't, but that has nothing to do with me having Asperger's Syndrome. Can the majority of people really say that they understand how any given individual acts or will act? For that matter there are many changes in societal perceptions all over the world, and some things one finds fine another would find unthinkable (The fact that so many Americans are opposed to public health care for some reason comes to mind, though I'm not sure on how that situation has developed).
It doesn't take much to know that a lot of people succumb to pressure from those around them if enough do it, and that many people buy into things they perceive as being reliable or having some authority. Why so many people can believe something an arbitrary celebrity says or the results of the Milgram experiment, for example.

Also, it's professions that require resources, not character levels.
How long ago was it that you played World of Warcraft, also? The further back you go the less accurate your assessments will be, not only because of changes to the game over time but also because ones own opinions can become polarised and inaccurate. If you stopped playing before Cataclysm then you should know that - based on what I have heard - the game mechanics have changed significantly. Also you yourself admit that you believe the game is monotonous, unchanging and boring which is fair enough, but you come across as being unable to accept that other people might find the game fun or relaxing in spite of the 'monotony', which is behaviour that can frequently be seen in various 'Hate-doms'. A significant number of people in fact, looking at how many people play WoW. They are no less entitled to their own opinions of the game than you are. The problem is that you appear to be holding your own opinion as fact.

Which offers one probable explanation for why you are so doggedly repeating how repetitive and boring it must have been and then drawing a conclusion from that in which there must be something wrong with the player - though it does not explain your apparent refusal to consider that the person did not waste a lot of time and let their own lives suffer during the course of it all.

How are you defining an 'absurd amount of time', anyway? As opposed to what? Are we talking a couple of hours a day? If so, that is far from absurd unless the individual has A LOT of other things going on, in which case they would probably be very stressed out individuals. Also, even at a little bit every day, you said yourself that it is only a matter of time. A person can spend several months worth of time on a game and still be considered healthy if the game entertains them and they spread it out over enough time.

Any chance you're going to offer an explanation for why you say this will reinforce negative stereotypes? Who's going to care about this news? Will this event even get into standard media?

spartan773:

HerbertTheHamster:
Why would you do that

Seriously

To prove it can be done.

now what?

Hardcore. Seriously that's sick.

EDIT- I've heard that the "deathknights" start at a high level making it a lot easier to achieve. I don't actually own the game so I have no clue what it means to put in time to level up.

Jymm:
Everbloom explains a bit more how this all happened:

I started her shortly after the xp for gathering thing came out, played her for a few days, got to about 12 or 15 and thought to myself "This is going to take forever, I'll never be the first to do this" and more or less put her on the back burner, she was my collector, I only took her out if I needed stuff for alts, or if I was watching TV on the laptop I would fly around doing archaeolgy.
Totally blown away that I was first, I keep checking this thread waiting to see a "I did this 2 months ago!!" post.
I didn't work at this 24/7 for the last 6 months, once you get the hang of it the XP (especially with rested xp) is awesome.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2353107047?page=16 post#302

I just have to quote this because I can't believe that people are still posting that she wasted 6-7 years leveling from 1-85, when there's evidence that she didn't. According to several posts in this very thread, Professions giving XP only started after Cataclysm, which only came out a few months ago.

Sure, she did play WoW for 6-7 years, but she wasn't grinding on one character for that long.

tl;dr: Read through a thread before you post.

MGlBlaze:

Mazty:

MGlBlaze:
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If you have never ran, you can't comment on it. I'm failing to see how you can actually make that more complex than it is.
If you have a disorder that causes difficulties in social understanding, how can you comment on the effect an action will have socially?
To use so many resources to get someone to level 85, the person must have been spending an absurd amount of time on WoW, helping reinforce negative sterotypes. Yes I played WoW. I quit when I realised it was extremely monotonous & unchallenging, and therefore boring.
Oh wow you are being rude. Nice to see that credible cherry on the top of your argument.

It's simple, really - some social reactions are rather predictable. Others aren't, but that has nothing to do with me having Asperger's Syndrome. Can the majority of people really say that they understand how any given individual acts or will act? For that matter there are many changes in societal perceptions all over the world, and some things one finds fine another would find unthinkable (The fact that so many Americans are opposed to public health care for some reason comes to mind, though I'm not sure on how that situation has developed).
It doesn't take much to know that a lot of people succumb to pressure from those around them if enough do it, and that many people buy into things they perceive as being reliable or having some authority. Why so many people can believe something an arbitrary celebrity says or the results of the Milgram experiment, for example.

Also, it's professions that require resources, not character levels.
How long ago was it that you played World of Warcraft, also? The further back you go the less accurate your assessments will be, not only because of changes to the game over time but also because ones own opinions can become polarised and inaccurate. If you stopped playing before Cataclysm then you should know that - based on what I have heard - the game mechanics have changed significantly. Also you yourself admit that you believe the game is monotonous, unchanging and boring which is fair enough, but you come across as being unable to accept that other people might find the game fun or relaxing in spite of the 'monotony', which is behaviour that can frequently be seen in various 'Hate-doms'. A significant number of people in fact, looking at how many people play WoW. They are no less entitled to their own opinions of the game than you are. The problem is that you appear to be holding your own opinion as fact.

Which offers one probable explanation for why you are so doggedly repeating how repetitive and boring it must have been and then drawing a conclusion from that in which there must be something wrong with the player - though it does not explain your apparent refusal to consider that the person did not waste a lot of time and let their own lives suffer during the course of it all.

How are you defining an 'absurd amount of time', anyway? As opposed to what? Are we talking a couple of hours a day? If so, that is far from absurd unless the individual has A LOT of other things going on, in which case they would probably be very stressed out individuals. Also, even at a little bit every day, you said yourself that it is only a matter of time. A person can spend several months worth of time on a game and still be considered healthy if the game entertains them and they spread it out over enough time.

Any chance you're going to offer an explanation for why you say this will reinforce negative stereotypes? Who's going to care about this news? Will this event even get into standard media?

Tl;dr
Learn to be more concise and not to repeat your points.
My original points stand. To do such a task takes a ridiculous amount of time, so much so people will label it as nerdy, harming the image of WoW.

Axaxaaxaxaxa that is truly insane! I bet a new NPC is coming soon to salute this girl/guy!
Still damn insane...that mustve taken fordamnever.

Mazty:
[quote="MGlBlaze" post="7.276370.10746513"]To do such a task takes a ridiculous amount of time, so much so people will label it as nerdy, harming the image of WoW.

The image of WoW is nerdy. It's almost law that if you play WoW you are a nerd.

Jyggalag:

Mazty:
[quote="MGlBlaze" post="7.276370.10746513"]To do such a task takes a ridiculous amount of time, so much so people will label it as nerdy, harming the image of WoW.

The image of WoW is nerdy. It's almost law that if you play WoW you are a nerd.

Which is an annoying sterotype which should be removed, but acts like this do not help. I know guys that live in the gym, are utterly normal and play WoW. They are in no way nerds. It's just annoying that pointless sh*t like this just makes it seem nerdier than it is.

What is this, I don't even...

Really?

Mazty:

MGlBlaze:

Mazty:

If you have never ran, you can't comment on it. I'm failing to see how you can actually make that more complex than it is.
If you have a disorder that causes difficulties in social understanding, how can you comment on the effect an action will have socially?
To use so many resources to get someone to level 85, the person must have been spending an absurd amount of time on WoW, helping reinforce negative sterotypes. Yes I played WoW. I quit when I realised it was extremely monotonous & unchallenging, and therefore boring.
Oh wow you are being rude. Nice to see that credible cherry on the top of your argument.

It's simple, really - some social reactions are rather predictable. Others aren't, but that has nothing to do with me having Asperger's Syndrome. Can the majority of people really say that they understand how any given individual acts or will act? For that matter there are many changes in societal perceptions all over the world, and some things one finds fine another would find unthinkable (The fact that so many Americans are opposed to public health care for some reason comes to mind, though I'm not sure on how that situation has developed).
It doesn't take much to know that a lot of people succumb to pressure from those around them if enough do it, and that many people buy into things they perceive as being reliable or having some authority. Why so many people can believe something an arbitrary celebrity says or the results of the Milgram experiment, for example.

Also, it's professions that require resources, not character levels.
How long ago was it that you played World of Warcraft, also? The further back you go the less accurate your assessments will be, not only because of changes to the game over time but also because ones own opinions can become polarised and inaccurate. If you stopped playing before Cataclysm then you should know that - based on what I have heard - the game mechanics have changed significantly. Also you yourself admit that you believe the game is monotonous, unchanging and boring which is fair enough, but you come across as being unable to accept that other people might find the game fun or relaxing in spite of the 'monotony', which is behaviour that can frequently be seen in various 'Hate-doms'. A significant number of people in fact, looking at how many people play WoW. They are no less entitled to their own opinions of the game than you are. The problem is that you appear to be holding your own opinion as fact.

Which offers one probable explanation for why you are so doggedly repeating how repetitive and boring it must have been and then drawing a conclusion from that in which there must be something wrong with the player - though it does not explain your apparent refusal to consider that the person did not waste a lot of time and let their own lives suffer during the course of it all.

How are you defining an 'absurd amount of time', anyway? As opposed to what? Are we talking a couple of hours a day? If so, that is far from absurd unless the individual has A LOT of other things going on, in which case they would probably be very stressed out individuals. Also, even at a little bit every day, you said yourself that it is only a matter of time. A person can spend several months worth of time on a game and still be considered healthy if the game entertains them and they spread it out over enough time.

Any chance you're going to offer an explanation for why you say this will reinforce negative stereotypes? Who's going to care about this news? Will this event even get into standard media?

Tl;dr
Learn to be more concise and not to repeat your points.
My original points stand. To do such a task takes a ridiculous amount of time, so much so people will label it as nerdy, harming the image of WoW.

So, how many of my posts have you not bothered reading because they were long? I've been making an effort to bring up some new things to argue against what you're saying each time, though it is kind of hard to refrain from repeating yourself if you are being ignored.

You are also a hypocrite - you criticise me for apparently repeating my points over and over when you've been doing the exact same thing the entire time, so obviously you don't think that same clause applies to you.

Your origonal 'points' don't still stand because they never got up off their asses in the first place. It has been shown repeatedly through this thread that it didn't take a 'rediculous amount of time'. Furthermore many people play World of Warcraft including 'celebrities' - two of which I'm aware of would be Mr. T and Ozzy Ozbourne. Yes, they featured in those advertisements for reasons other than a PR move by Blizzard, so I doubt it will cultivate any more of a reputation for being a 'nerd' activity than it or indeed all of gaming has right now.

Why do you care about WoW's image, anyway, if you admitted that you thought it was monotonous and boring?

What one single player has done will not have any impact whatsoever on World of Warcraft's perception among the general populace.

How many hours of play would this take, roughly? (I've never played WOW)

I think i will wear a hat just so i can tip it for you Sir/Madam.

Nautical Honors Society:
People do this all the time.

Just get to level 15 through professions and exploring then Queue as a healer until level 85.

In my book healing allies while they kill enemies isn't killing enemies

It's enabling killing enemies, therefore making you just as responsible for their deaths as the people hacking away at their bodies.

Doesn't wash.

This is a nifty trial and all, but I have to wonder why she'd want to do it again. Okay, you proved it's possible and that's pretty awesome...but why do it all over again? It's the same exact grind as the first time: pick herbs, break rocks, dig up artifacts, repeat. What's the point of doing it more than once?

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