Games Now Legally Considered an Art Form (in the USA)

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Seems like particularly good news for indie games.

Well it's about time, gaming and games are an Art form.

I'm sure catholics and concerned mothers are going to *love* paying for things that they don't want to exist at all.

NEA is a sham

And our wall just got a little bit thicker. Take that Schwarzenegger!

P.S. I am a (trying) Catholic, and I approve this message.

Know what I think. I think whomsoever is left at Atomic Games should apply for this grant and use it to release Six Days In Fallujah.

Cool. Now can everyone shut up about their medium having some worthwhile merit and bitch about something that matters?

mr_rubino:

Donnyp:
Where were you may 6 when the great names of Michaelangelo and Picasso became meaningless smears on the wall next to names like Gabe Newell and Dave Jaffe. The Giants of media make others look like smut.

I still don't consider games art. then again i'm not american.

Nor do you understand words, it'd seem, and prefer meaningless name-checking to reasoning.

Incidentally, Escapisteers, we could probably do well to NOT immediately kowtow to people who want to make up their own definitions of established words. Games were already art. The NEA, with all the "power" they have, have only caught up and decided whatever arbitrary parameters they use to fund things can apply to video games as well.

But then again... *grabs a seat to wait for 3 days until the next "Look at this random stupid thing! It is stupid, I say! Ergo, it is not art. QED." thread pops up*

EDIT: Incidentally, Escapist Journalist Guy, I think you don't know what constitutes "legally".

i used the names because i would hope everyone knows them. I just don't think games are art. Stories maybe but not art. The definition still lingers in my head.

Art has no better expression then itself

I might have slaughtered it a little but the point is there. Sure the people drawing up and creating sketches are creating art but when you through it all together it just becomes something different. We don't see the art. We see the story it holds and have no subjective look at it because it is already predefined.

YEEEEEEEEEEES!

So finally, the time has come.

That's a rockin' picture of Edgar from Final Fantasy VI right there.

It has begun...

the antithesis:
Know what I think. I think whomsoever is left at Atomic Games should apply for this grant and use it to release Six Days In Fallujah.

You know what? That's a pretty good idea. I don't know how far along the development actually was so I don't know what the money from the grant would do for what was looking to be a near AAA level title, but if it was basically finished other than production and distribution that could be all they needed.

StriderShinryu:

the antithesis:
Know what I think. I think whomsoever is left at Atomic Games should apply for this grant and use it to release Six Days In Fallujah.

You know what? That's a pretty good idea. I don't know how far along the development actually was so I don't know what the money from the grant would do for what was looking to be a near AAA level title, but if it was basically finished other than production and distribution that could be all they needed.

They could add like cutscenes showing the emotional and social turmoil of the situation.

StriderShinryu:
I don't know how far along the development actually was so I don't know what the money from the grant would do for what was looking to be a near AAA level title, but if it was basically finished other than production and distribution that could be all they needed.

If Wikipedia is to be believed, the game was finished. They just couldn't find a publisher with any sack after Konami pulled out. From what I understand, Atomic Games is no more, but someone must have the rights and the code. If they use the grant to publish, it could be a real triumph, I think.

Achievement Obtained:
Support Gaming Until it Becomes Art!
Earned on 08/05/2011

p.p: Im not sure how this will affect the industry but still its a cool thing to know. Now killing dragons and reading poetry will be in the same box :D

Does this have any legal ramifications for the supreme court case ongoing?

Does this mean the majority of game stories will now become good? I certainly hope so.

Woo! One big step friends.
*Hands everyone root beers.*

Video games were already just as protected as other forms of speech. Being "art" has nothing to do with First Amendment protection except that artistic value is one criterion used to judge indecency. Unfortunately, NEA support is not actually a legally binding definition of "art" anyway, it is just part of receiving funding from the NEA. Courts do not use NEA guidelines in their considerations, and lawmakers do not go "oh, one of the federal administrative agencies accepts games, guess that changes things." While its great that games will get the same federal funding as other art forms, this is legally really irrelevant and you're WAY overstating its importance.

binvjoh:
Can I get a hell yes?

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

I don't think it's as much about being considered art as it's about getting some sort of recognition of the value as a serious part of society.

very true.
too many people think videogames are just for children.
just like too many people believe all forms of animations are SUPPOSED to be for kids (hence why "concerned parents" are always losing their shit over the latest "South Park")

Well thank fuck, finally.

But you could also say that they inspire art?

Booze Zombie:

dragongit:
Grand Theft Auto?

No, a game showing the depressing boredom and fear of criminality, not just treating it as another theme for a TPS in a sandbox.

I don't get why people are so into depression as though it's the ONLY emotion with deepness or the ONLY emotion that can teach us anything. What's so bad about happiness again? Well, anyways, you can go ahead and make that game, but don't be surprised if the "Depressing boredom" blurb doesn't attract many people.

Racecarlock:
I don't get why people are so into depression as though it's the ONLY emotion with deepness or the ONLY emotion that can teach us anything. What's so bad about happiness again? Well, anyways, you can go ahead and make that game, but don't be surprised if the "Depressing boredom" blurb doesn't attract many people.

The point of the game would be to portray a realistic criminal life, crushing boredom and repetition included. The purpose of a game can be whatever it's creator desires, like with any other piece of art.

Booze Zombie:

Racecarlock:
I don't get why people are so into depression as though it's the ONLY emotion with deepness or the ONLY emotion that can teach us anything. What's so bad about happiness again? Well, anyways, you can go ahead and make that game, but don't be surprised if the "Depressing boredom" blurb doesn't attract many people.

The point of the game would be to portray a realistic criminal life, crushing boredom and repetition included. The purpose of a game can be whatever it's creator desires, like with any other piece of art.

That's true, but how many people are going to keep playing a game like that? Even GTA IV had some over the top moments, and it still got mixed reviews. Who would be satisfied with depression? Well, you know, other than those goth kids from south park.

Racecarlock:
That's true, but how many people are going to keep playing a game like that? Even GTA IV had some over the top moments, and it still got mixed reviews. Who would be satisfied with depression? Well, you know, other than those goth kids from south park.

I made the suggestion more as a sort of "counter-point" to the idea that games glamorise criminal life.

"Ugh, another cocaine shipment... time to sit in a van for half an hour and look out for anyone wearing blue."

Hopefully now the medium can get some respect.

Now nothing can stop the Duke.

Booze Zombie:

Racecarlock:
That's true, but how many people are going to keep playing a game like that? Even GTA IV had some over the top moments, and it still got mixed reviews. Who would be satisfied with depression? Well, you know, other than those goth kids from south park.

I made the suggestion more as a sort of "counter-point" to the idea that games glamorise criminal life.

"Ugh, another cocaine shipment... time to sit in a van for half an hour and look out for anyone wearing blue."

Games glamorize every kind of life. Do you think a real amusement park manager gets to ride the rides all day? Do you think a real race car driver can slam head on into a wall at 200 mph and just reset himself at the start? No. That's the beauty of gaming. We don't have to worry about reality. At least, we didn't have to.

.. I don't understand? Why did it need to be verified? Do people really care? ... Apparently so.. I still don't understand why people need verification from others to make them selves feel 'special'? or 'important'?

All i can say is.........

VICTORY!

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

Edit: Stop quoting this post. Reading through dozens of quotes all saying roughly the same thing gets old, disregard this post and write something that actually contributes to the discussion.

Double Edit: No seriously, stop it.

You should be prepared to justify what you say lol.

Anyways vidiya games can be both art and fun, great potential for art, and great potential for fun.

Why does everyone think this is a good thing? Art is an expression through a medium. Games were always art, and now they're just art "because a government institution says so."

Fuck that.

This is a huge step forwards for the gaming industry.

Novs:
All i can say is.........

VICTORY!

Dango:
I still don't really get why everyone thinks games have to be art.

Edit: Stop quoting this post. Reading through dozens of quotes all saying roughly the same thing gets old, disregard this post and write something that actually contributes to the discussion.

Double Edit: No seriously, stop it.

You should be prepared to justify what you say lol.

*Angry glare* I did, but half of the people who read my first post didn't read my second, and the other half were angry at me for using a word in a way they didn't agree with.

I can just see it now!

there is Call of Duty on the TV, this is art, when you hear a buzzer stare at the art. You should now feel mentally reinvigorated, if you suspect that staring at Call of Duty did not provide the necessary Mental reinvigoration please reflect briefly on the Battlefield theme

also... wut?
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Racecarlock:
Games glamorize every kind of life. Do you think a real amusement park manager gets to ride the rides all day? Do you think a real race car driver can slam head on into a wall at 200 mph and just reset himself at the start? No. That's the beauty of gaming. We don't have to worry about reality. At least, we didn't have to.

Oh believe me, I know. My favourite game is Saints Row 2 and my least favourite is GTA 4.
But this game I'm talking about would pretty much be a PSA about why you shouldn't do crime, because it's just as boring and soul-crushing as a job in an office cubicle, you're not going to be a dashing rogue who works for himself (most times).

By the way, isn't it amazing the discussion we gamers can get into over a game that doesn't even exist?

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