Newtown Boy Campaigns Against Violent Games

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Newtown Boy Campaigns Against Violent Games

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A 12-year-old from Newtown, Connecticut, is encouraging his peers to throw away their violent videogames.

In the wake of the tragic mass murder at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, 12-year-old Max Goldstein has pledged to throw out his violent videogames and is calling on his peers to do the same. Prior to the massacre, Max was a regular Call of Duty player with the approval of his parents, who "gradually succumbed" to his desire for the game. But at the funeral of his friend's brother, Goldstein said he came to realize "how real this was," and decided that he no longer wanted to kill, even within the fantasy confines of videogames.

To encourage others to take part, Goldstein has launched the "Played Out" movement, with the slogan, "Choose not to play." With the help of his stepfather, he's putting a dumpster outside the Newtown Youth Academy where kids can toss their violent games for later destruction. He announced the program to "hearty applause" at a meeting of the newly-formed Newtown United group, which discussed, among other things, "how to increase the size of the group and get its message out."

Goldstein isn't the first person to have this idea: In 2009, a group calling itself Aktionbundnis Amoklauf Winnenden called on people to turn in their violent videogames in the wake of the Winnenden massacre in Germany. That effort ended in abject failure.

Source: Courant.com

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This will probably end in the same abject failure.

People with half a brain knows that videogames had nothing to do with this.

Mentally ill folk will always find something to set them off, be it videogames, books, movies, TV shows, plays... So I see no reason to throw my games away when its not their fault.

Its like asking people to throw away their copy of Fast and Furious because someone died in a car crash.

Good for the kid.

While I disagree that violent games cause people to be violent. This child believes it strong enough that he's putting himself out there to support what he believes in. Not like politicians that are doing it for a shameless vote grab.

Now if only he could set up a dumpster for people to throw their assault weapons in, then we'd be on to something. (For the pro-gun folks, I didn't say all guns.)

Well as long as they aren't hypocritical and also never watch a violent TV show or film ever again either. Not to mention comics or books. Either you find fictional death entertaining to some extent, or you do not. You can't claim some kind of moral stand and not go the whole way.

As good-intentioned as this kid is, he's still incorrect. It's kind of like a racist being politely racist. It doesn't matter how nice or well-intentioned you are, you're still bloody wrong.

I feel bad for this kid, but honestly I find is despicable for someone to use a tragedy such as this to push there own personal morals.

trty00:
As good-intentioned as this kid is, he's still incorrect. It's kind of like a racist being politely racist. It doesn't matter how nice or well-intentioned you are, you're still bloody wrong.

The polite racist would be very entertaining though!
"I do say sir, you seem to be quite obsessed with chicken that is fried and Citrullus lanatus!"

I play violent video games so I don't shoot people in real life. I mean, come on, haven't any of you ever felt bad about the atrocities you've committed in video games, to the extent that you've silently vowed never to do the same thing to a living being? Because I know I have.

FelixG:
This will probably end in the same abject failure.

People with half a brain knows that videogames had nothing to do with this.

Mentally ill folk will always find something to set them off, be it videogames, books, movies, TV shows, plays... So I see no reason to throw my games away when its not their fault.

Its like asking people to throw away their copy of Fast and Furious because someone died in a car crash.

Ickabod:
Good for the kid.

While I disagree that violent games cause people to be violent. This child believes it strong enough that he's putting himself out there to support what he believes in. Not like politicians that are doing it for a shameless vote grab.

Now if only he could set up a dumpster for people to throw their assault weapons in, then we'd be on to something. (For the pro-gun folks, I didn't say all guns.)

Legion:
Well as long as they aren't hypocritical and also never watch a violent TV show or film ever again either. Not to mention comics or books. Either you find fictional death entertaining to some extent, or you do not. You can't claim some kind of moral stand and not go the whole way.

ANImaniac89:
I feel bad for this kid, but honestly I find is despicable for someone to use a tragedy such as this to push there own personal morals.

you are all missing the point of the article.
the kid never said "these games caused it", or that "if these games didn't exist it wouldn't have happened."
he said essentially that "after seeing my friends die by guns in the same way depicted in these games. I don't want to see it again" basically he is pointing out that he can attach the real occurrence of watching his own fiends die to the death of terrorists, and then pointing out that he never want to see another person die real or imaginary.

he is for the most part talking about why do we play these games that depict violence when it can "remind" us of very real occurrences, and then adding that "to all those who don't wish to be reminded of this violent act to do the same as him"

FelixG:

trty00:
As good-intentioned as this kid is, he's still incorrect. It's kind of like a racist being politely racist. It doesn't matter how nice or well-intentioned you are, you're still bloody wrong.

The polite racist would be very entertaining though!
"I do say sir, you seem to be quite obsessed with chicken that is fried and Citrullus lanatus!"

Perhaps an even more apt comparison would be Tipper Gore and the PMRC. Yes, those people genuinely believed they were doing good... but they were still fucking stupid.

gardian06:

he is for the most part talking about why do we play these games that depict violence when it can "remind" us of very real occurrences, and then adding that "to all those who don't wish to be reminded of this violent act to do the same as him"

Oh I get the point, but that doesnt make him right in any sense.

I have had friends that were killed in combat, but that doesnt mean that military shooters, or military films, or violent TV shows make me think about them and grieve whenever I play one or watch one, because I know that there is a difference between a game and real life.

FelixG:
This will probably end in the same abject failure.

People with half a brain knows that videogames had nothing to do with this.

Too bad that most people don't have even that.
Huehuehuehuehuehuehue.

OT:
Anyways, I think it's rather clear that video games had nothing to do with this. Sure, a person with mental health issues may be negatively affected by games, but that is not a video game issue. There are several things that have contributed to this; Lack of gun control, mental health issues and social exclusion, his family life, etc. etc. It's not like we can pin it on a single matter, we can just examine the main reasons and afterwards take steps to prevent another tragedy.

(No, fuck you, you won't quote me because I mentioned the words "gun control".)

Who wants to bet that this whole thing is going to have a similar success as Winnenden?
And News Stations are probably going to fake the success just as back then. No, really, in 2009, they claimed that the container would be 'nearly full' while people, who were there confirmed that thing was basically empty...

Legion:
Well as long as they aren't hypocritical and also never watch a violent TV show or film ever again either. Not to mention comics or books. Either you find fictional death entertaining to some extent, or you do not. You can't claim some kind of moral stand and not go the whole way.

But that's not video games! THAT'S TOTATLLY DIFFERENT! :P
Honestly, I actually have nothing else to add. If you blame one thing, also blame the rest. Or don't do it at all.

they're gonna throw all of their violent games into a dumpster? if hypothetically someone were to steal the games from the dumpster before they are destroyed then they could probably make quite a bit of hypothetical money. hypothetically speaking that is.

So wait they are just dumping it in a dumpster. *rubs hands together* i smell profit for me lol jk but anyway good for the kid and all

gardian06:
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I think you may have misquoted, because two of those quotes essentially said "good for him, but hopefully he doesn't continue to read/listen/watch other mediums that depict death and be a hypocrite".

The other two only one really fits as what you would be responding to, and the second(ANI) only fits if we assume the fact the tragedy caused this to be true.

While I agree that videogames aren't the cause of shooting like this, I just think this kid didn't want to see anymore of this in particular due to memories attached to it. The other stuff seems like an agenda pushing by this united group though.

Folix:
they're gonna throw all of their violent games into a dumpster? if hypothetically someone were to steal the games from the dumpster before they are destroyed then they could probably make quite a bit of hypothetical money. hypothetically speaking that is.

"I shall take these to be properly disposed of...by Gamestop!"

I like this plan, I wish I lived there.

With the help of his stepfather, he's putting a dumpster outside the Newtown Youth Academy where kids can toss their violent games for later destruction.

The only outcome I can see from this is people looting this dumpster for free games.

FelixG:
This will probably end in the same abject failure.

People with half a brain knows that videogames had nothing to do with this.

Mentally ill folk will always find something to set them off, be it videogames, books, movies, TV shows, plays... So I see no reason to throw my games away when its not their fault.

Its like asking people to throw away their copy of Fast and Furious because someone died in a car crash.

They can't because it is "art". Apparently Video Games have yet to get into that thought process with the general public. So even though Movies have "Porn Movies" (which are arguably not art), it is still considered an art form. Sure we have games like Saint's Row 3, but we also have games like Journey. It will take a few more years for people to learn to not blame games and instead actually finding the real culprit. Like the fact the psychopath was given access to guns in the first place.

OT: Why do I feel like this kid is going to get his ass kicked?

I want it on video, it will be HILARIOUS.

Why the hell is a 12-year-old playing Call of Duty in the first place? And why do his friends (who I suspect to be in the same age group) do the same?

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FelixG:
This will probably end in the same abject failure.

People with half a brain knows that videogames had nothing to do with this.

Mentally ill folk will always find something to set them off, be it videogames, books, movies, TV shows, plays... So I see no reason to throw my games away when its not their fault.

Its like asking people to throw away their copy of Fast and Furious because someone died in a car crash.

They can't because it is "art". Apparently Video Games have yet to get into that thought process with the general public. So even though Movies have "Porn Movies" (which are arguably not art), it is still considered an art form. Sure we have games like Saint's Row 3, but we also have games like Journey. It will take a few more years for people to learn to not blame games and instead actually finding the real culprit. Like the fact the psychopath was given access to guns in the first place.

OT: Why do I feel like this kid is going to get his ass kicked?

I want it on video, it will be HILARIOUS.

I wouldnt call Saints row akin to our Porn, we HAVE porn games for that!

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Saint Row is more like our Grind House or Inglorious Basterds, just turn your brain off stupid violent fun.

RoonMian:
Why the hell is a 12-year-old playing Call of Duty in the first place? And why do his friends (who I suspect to be in the same age group) do the same?

My thoughts exactly, how do we know this isn't just his parents speaking though him and using this as a platform to strike down Gaming.
I understand Black ops is a easy target, but when the NRA say things like having heavily armed guards at schools....

I'm willing to temporarily forgive Max's stupidity on account of his tender young age and the recent tragedy.

But he is still stupid.

This is ridiculous, blaming video games is just as ignorant as blaming inanimate objects like guns.

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They can't because it is "art". Apparently Video Games have yet to get into that thought process with the general public. So even though Movies have "Porn Movies" (which are arguably not art), it is still considered an art form. Sure we have games like Saint's Row 3, but we also have games like Journey.

Get your facts straight. Porn movies can get legally banned under obscenity laws, that officially declares that they "lack artistic value", and video games were officially declared art by the US Supreme court, deserving the exact same protection as movies or literature.

Seriously, this whole knee-jerk reaction from gamers crying "BUT MOOOOOVIIEEES!" is a huge double standard. ALL sorts of violent media are under attack all the time, even music and literature. About movies, there are all sorts of censorship and age-restriction laws similar to games.

And he specifically talking about "violent video games", implicitly putting them in a different category from Journey.

Seriously, right now, Angry Birds is probably one of the most popular things on the whole planet. EVERYONE is a gamer. They KNOW that not every game is CoD, that's why they are adresing violet games like CoD specifically. We can stop dismissing how all the squares just don't get what gaming is all about.

While I do believe this is a misguided attempt to fix several problems this country already has, and that it fail miserably, I admire the boy's determination. And hey, it might remove a few of the...simpler...members of the gaming community from said community, which would benefit everyone.

I understand what the kid wants (and am kinda glad he stopped Call of Duty, though why a 12-year old plays that kind of game is beyond me)... but at the same time, it's really not going to help when that's not always the case...

And since this is somewhat related:

(Warning: cynicism and swearing from a cartoon squirrel)

Instead of imploring people to throw away their violent games, he should focus on creating discussion and debate. He hasn't even given a reason to do it, he's just taking advantage of this tragedy to try and push his own ideals onto others.

His tragedy is unfortunate but he's really missing the target here, trying to blame whoever he can.

Entitled:

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They can't because it is "art". Apparently Video Games have yet to get into that thought process with the general public. So even though Movies have "Porn Movies" (which are arguably not art), it is still considered an art form. Sure we have games like Saint's Row 3, but we also have games like Journey.

Get your facts straight. Porn movies can get legally banned under obscenity laws, that officially declares that they "lack artistic value", and video games were officially declared art by the US Supreme court, deserving the exact same protection as movies or literature.

Unfortunally, the public thinks different in general. Plus these laws are not worldwide the same.

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OT: Why do I feel like this kid is going to get his ass kicked?

I want it on video, it will be HILARIOUS.

Gamers: Supporting child abuse since 2012.

It's just a kid! He is shocked and confused from the shooting! Oh! It's not even a normal kid!

at the funeral of his friend's brother

Let me just sink this in: You just wished physical harm, and said you'd take satisfaction on seeing it, of somebody who was affected by the shooting. Think about what you're saying!

Hell, you shouldn't wish harm on anybody for something such as this! He's trying to do something good FFS!

God dammit people! Am I the only one here who sees something wrong in what we're doing here!?

This isn't about a child striking out against video games as the source of problems.

This is a child struck by a great tragedy who is now having to come to terms with things that are hard for anybody of any age to handle.

As a part of his tragedy he has found himself unable to find enjoyment from things which remind him of the tragedy he endured.

He should not be criticized as attacking games. That's not what he's doing. Not really. It may be what people who are taking advantage of the presence of a child with a convenient point of view are doing, but all the child really is trying to do is find ways to mourn and cope with the senseless loss that has occurred.

He is not stopping playing Call of Duty because he thinks it will drive him to real murder. He is no longer playing Call of Duty because it now reminds him to intimately of a painful experience he has no desire to relive in any capacity.

Kinda funny so I see this ending in a failure also, even if the kids want to do it,

Kids under the age of 17 need a parent or someone to buy the game, and then the fact Kids don't have any money so it'd be them tossing out their parents money. 60 dollars a game even if it is a point, no one is gonna be happy to toss that out.

ANImaniac89:
I feel bad for this kid, but honestly I find is despicable for someone to use a tragedy such as this to push there own personal morals.

sethisjimmy:
Instead of imploring people to throw away their violent games, he should focus on creating discussion and debate. He hasn't even given a reason to do it, he's just taking advantage of this tragedy to try and push his own ideals onto others.

His tragedy is unfortunate but he's really missing the target here, trying to blame whoever he can.

Hold on, I gotta read the article again:

12-year-old

Max was a regular Call of Duty player with the approval of his parents

Now I don't know this kid but he probably has a pretty damn good reason to believe video games cause violence.

Also, what do you mean this isn't the to talk about your morals/ideals?

When something terrible like this happens, I think it's not just good but the best time to talk about them: This is the time when people are the most excited to talk about them. Now that something that shook the entire country happened.

People want to know why this happened, how can we stop it from happening again, and we're anxious to find answers. The more people discuss this the more perspective we get, and we need to get as much of if as possible.

Maybe people can actually make the damn country better if they just talk about it.

And keep the guns! Yes, Throw away your games, but keep the things you actually use to shoot people!

Lolamerica

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