So powerful, it was no backwards compatibility.

Durrsly:
So powerful, it was no backwards compatibility.

It can't be both reasonably priced and have BC in it, i fail to see the confusion people have with this point

its BC its too expensive people complain

No BC and people complain

Cant have it both

Waaghpowa:

IronMit:
& the 3rd highest rated comment on PC GAMER is accusing the article of skewing and bias and is $250 off...and that's not even including the blue ray drive.

Blu ray drives are 50 bucks these days. Even if it's a little off, it doesn't change the fact that
1. The price of those parts will drop by the time the PS4 actually gets released and better hardware will fill the same price point

2. IT STILL DOES EVERYTHING. At the end of the day, everyone still needs a conventional computer/laptop.

The average person will spend ~500 dollars on a PS4 not including the cost of games, accessories etc then most people will also have an overpriced PC/Laptop with tech specs that can't do much more than browse the internet. Some people spend upwards of 1000 dollars on computers that don't have comparable graphics cards. I've built incredible powerful computers for people that don't break the 600 dollar price point. Sure, you might be sacrificing a bit of graphical power for utility, but I was always under the impression that people who wanted consoles didn't care too much about graphics.

Now you can go blah blah blah preference all you want, but I'm not trying to change your preference. I'm simply saying that from a practical stand point, the cost and utility of a PC capable of playing video games is simply cost efficient.

I built my computer about 4 years ago, cost me about 1200 dollars CDN I've upgraded it once and it plays everything on ultra 1080x1920. I have 3 monitors, one of which is a large TV I use for netflix and other videos when I want to lie back and watch, and I even have an assortment of controllers to play various games with. There's nothing I can do with a PS3 that my PC can't do. Why go out and spend 500+ dollars on this PS4 when a tech comparable PC will do it all for a little more?

I'm not going to go 'blah blah blah preference'..it's not a competition. I just pointed out that on the pc gaming site (a site I actually like because they do good game reviews) that you quoted..one of the top rated comments is actually stating the cost of building a ps4 system is probably $850 today...and not $600. And that's not including the blue ray drive...it's not even added on to that new estimate so I don't know why you told me it's price.

Ok I'm by no means an expert, but don't you need to make a PC more powerful then a PS4? You know because it will never be as optimised..

copy paste of someone else's post(You can't optimize to PC hardware in the way they optimize to console hardware. The console optimization comes from targeting the exact same GPU, CPU, chipset, RAM, etcetera, improving the tools, and pushing the limits of that hardware set for years. On a PC, developers have to target a near limitless combination of constantly updating hardware.)

so that's over $900 (added blue ray)...lets say $1000 rig to be significantly more powerful. When the PS4 comes out..lets say that's dropped to $800 due to cheaper parts? The PS4 doesn't seem like a terrible price if its $500?

Yes I know we need a pc anyway...why not spend $300 more to make it an epic gaming rig. I agree.

I have never bought any accessories for my PS3..apart from one £10 madcatz controller for Fifa/fight night. Sony are decent like that..it's not xbox where the first systems have no wifi, no wireless, no battery pack..

I'm thinking about making a gaming pc myself..will probably wait till 6-12 months after these consoles release to see where gaming graphics are going and if it's worth it. I was going to make one last year but thought when the consoles get released recommended requirements for PC will go through the roof

Shadow-Phoenix:
*Sigh* I'm not even bothered about Sony's current trends in marketing but I again like always will be disappointed at how badly PC elitists will react to such trigger words and how they need to tout their superiority like some dick waving contest.

This is what every console thread looks like on the Escapist whenever PC elitsts decide to step in and dick wave because they realy have nothing better to do than spout the same fact crap all over again like a forceful Germany from the 1940's.

What in the blubberlubbing fucknuggets possessed you to write that? Just, REALLY? Godwin's Law?

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REALLY?

IronMit:
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I may have misinterpreted your intention and I apologise. I mentioned the price of a blu ray drive because the cost is so low compared to what they were, the "No blu ray included" is an irrelevant point since they're so close to standard dvd drives.

There was a point in time where trying to make any hardware related arguments were met with "I prefer it, therefore you're wrong". It's kind of a reflex now.

Atbird:

What in the blubberlubbing fucknuggets possessed you to write that? Just, REALLY? Godwin's Law?

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REALLY?

What possessed you to reply to this at all?.

I mean really what was the actual point other than literally trying to defeat what I said is actually happening?.

The tears of PC users while the laugh at the specs and think no watter how good their rigs are, they'll never get most of the console exclusives their rigs are laughing at are overly delicious.

Don't get me wrong, I have a PC, I have a PS3, my PC costed me about 1800, since I'm from a foreign country that put more than 75% of taxes to imports, but in any case, I still find funny how the PC Master Elite race is pointing the finger at a console claiming its numbers are not impressive, and I agree, but this ludicrous show of "we are still better than you" is getting older, I want to see how many people who made the best possible rig back in early 2007 can play games from 2013 with the same computer like people did with a PS3.

How many PC users could play with the best of the best that 1999 could offer in 2012 like you could with a PS2.

Can't you love what you love without stepping over what other people loves?

Oh, by the way, I feel people got more dissapointed at the fact that they didn't show the console than the lack of Games announced for launch day.

Shadow-Phoenix:

Atbird:

What in the blubberlubbing fucknuggets possessed you to write that? Just, REALLY? Godwin's Law?

...

REALLY?

What possessed you to reply to this at all?.

I mean really what was the actual point other than literally trying to defeat what I said is actually happening?.

The longer I stare at that sentence, the less sense it makes. Are... are you Cleverbot?

On paper: It's a great piece of specialized hardware; raw specs simply do not account for optimization.

The problem: It's fucking Sony behind it; the same company who told the public they will play God with your PS3 after purchase when they feel like it, and will hold functionality hostage unless you obey.

Caveat Emptor

Atbird:

The longer I stare at that sentence, the less sense it makes. Are... are you Cleverbot?

I can't let let you guess that Dave

Timmey:

Durrsly:
So powerful, it was no backwards compatibility.

It can't be both reasonably priced and have BC in it, i fail to see the confusion people have with this point

its BC its too expensive people complain

No BC and people complain

Cant have it both

If my less powerful PC can do software emulation, a more powerful machine can do it.

Durrsly:

Timmey:

Durrsly:
So powerful, it was no backwards compatibility.

It can't be both reasonably priced and have BC in it, i fail to see the confusion people have with this point

its BC its too expensive people complain

No BC and people complain

Cant have it both

If my less powerful PC can do software emulation, a more powerful machine can do it.

I believe, though i may well be wrong, that there is a difference between emulation, and BC?

Timmey:

Durrsly:

Timmey:

It can't be both reasonably priced and have BC in it, i fail to see the confusion people have with this point

its BC its too expensive people complain

No BC and people complain

Cant have it both

If my less powerful PC can do software emulation, a more powerful machine can do it.

I believe, though i may well be wrong, that there is a difference between emulation, and BC?

I thought the PS3 handled PS1 discs via emulation.

You know maybe if I was a bit younger, I would be hyped up about this, but honestly I don't give a shit about how high end it's going to be. All I care about is how long the initial games drought for the ps4 is going to last. PS3's lasted about a year and a half.

My fan coolers started spinning faster. I guess they're laughing with me. Don't get me wrong. 8 Gigs of RAM for a console is very impressive, but most powerful GAMING device could not be more wrong. Most powerful console,yeah,maybe, but PC will always smack the shit out of consoles when it comes to Power.

DigitalSushi:
According to the internet, everyone has a bleeding edge PC at all times.

I wonder if you get the same kind of attitude on Forums dedicated to Petrol Heads (or car enthusiasts)
"News just in. Chevrolet announces new model of Camaro"
"lol noobs, I'll stick to my Ferrari, thanks"

FYI, you PC people should be happy that there is more incentive for game developers to use all that fancy new DirectX 11 goodness, instead of considering it a waste of resources because you know, more console gamers.

I was really happy for you PC guys and girls when nVidia announced there new hardcore Titan graphics card, why can't you be happy for us console gamers aye?

We are happy you console folk are getting a new generation of toys but you completely and uttely fail at making comparisons.

A better comparison would be

"Toyota just announced its prius is the most powerful car ever!"
"My Humvee/Ferrari/Camaro begs to differ."

And yes, he is a liar, my PC from a couple of years ago beats the snot out of it in terms of power. Not exactly bleeding edge...

Joccaren:
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worldfest:

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Bottom Line

Graphics don't matter.

When a developer ports to the PC, you're hoping that they are going to exploit the PC's advantages. Unfortunately, there isn't consistency. You have Battlefield 3 which looks absolutely gorgeous, but then comes along a disappointing Dark Souls. Yes, a community provides mods to up-res the game, but why go through all of that trouble when you just want an experience.

Crysis 3

The community is still searching for graphics cards and competent drivers to run its Ultra Settings. As it stands, high end processors are choking on a game that was released a week ago.

Consoles REALLY Are the Future

Consoles offer publishers more control. Various groups demand consistency across the platforms. They are more user friendly.

Durrsly:
If my less powerful PC can do software emulation, a more powerful machine can do it.

You can emulate PS1 and PS2 games, not PS3 yet. Real-time decryption and emulation of even that level of hardware makes even high end PCs choke at this point. Probably a year or two more until it gets to the point it can be done efficiently, if memory serves.

worldfest:

Bottom Line

Graphics don't matter.

When a developer ports to the PC, you're hoping that they are going to exploit the PC's advantages. Unfortunately, there isn't consistency. You have Battlefield 3 which looks absolutely gorgeous, but then comes along a disappointing Dark Souls. Yes, a community provides mods to up-res the game, but why go through all of that trouble when you just want an experience.

And I never said they did. They do matter to an extent - nobody these days wants to play 16 bit graphic games [Unless they're playing on a PC conveniently enough, which has backwards compatibility enough to run those ancient era games] - but they're not the most important thing in a game, and they are hardly all improved hardware brings.
Better AI, larger levels, more enemies on screen, quicker loading times - EVERYTHING benefits from better hardware.
You're the one that jumped on the graphics train, saying it was only "Slightly better textures". Believe you me, its a lot more than that.

Crysis 3

The community is still searching for graphics cards and competent drivers to run its Ultra Settings. As it stands, high end processors are choking on a game that was released a week ago.

Uhh... No. From what I've read, a 670 maxes it out at 30FPS in the campaign. That's slightly above the power-cost ratio's equilibrium. The 680, 690 and TITAN would all max it out even easier, and when it gets to winter [summer if you live in the northern hemisphere] a new line of graphics cards will be out that'll make maxing Crysis 3 quite affordable.
And high end CPUs have no problem with C3. The CPU I bought 3 years back can meet the "High end PC requirements" or whatever it is quite nicely, even without overclocking, and were better CPUs out even when I bought it.
Add in to that, so what?
Was your first point not "Graphics don't matter"?
So your second point is "People find it hard to get the best graphics in a game designed for high end systems"?
There's a disconnect here. If your first point is true, your second point is... pointless and moot 'cause graphics don't matter, and you don't have to play Crysis 3 on max - it scales back to i3 CPUs and low end graphics cards for Christ's sake, a 4+ year old rig can run it fine, if you don't care about graphics. Some consistency in what you're arguing would be nice.

Consoles REALLY Are the Future

Consoles offer publishers more control. Various groups demand consistency across the platforms. They are more user friendly.

Umm....
Right.
Publishers love consoles, which is why Ubisoft is already awaiting the PS5. They get extra control on consoles, which is why they have less control over what console gamers do with their games then they do PC gamers. Consoles are the future, because they're stuck in the past.
Right.

Various groups call out for a difference between PCs and consoles because consoles consistently drag PCs down. Consistency amoung platforms is just a convenient excuse for "We couldn't be bothered porting properly".
They are also NOT more user friendly. There is a reason a lot of people complain about things like the X360 dashboard. They're something a lot of people have more experience with, but since the PS2 they've started to lose the user friendly aspect, at the point where inserting a DVD will no longer instantly start the game.

Whether you prefer consoles or PCs, its a personal preference based largely off your experience and lifestyle. One thing that is not debatable, however, is that consoles are falling further and further behind, and basically forcing a divide between console and PC games. Crysis 3 can't be maxed on next gen consoles. In 2 or 3 years, there'll be a lot more games like that. If Sony and MS try for another 8-10 year gap between releases, consoles will fall further behind.
In addition to that, consoles are terrible for RTS, old style RPGs, 4X, and are worse than a PC for playing FPS, TPS and any other game that requires accuracy and speed. They're an inferior gaming system, and there's a reason that a lot of people are actually swapping to PC at the end of this gen; its cheaper, its easier, its more reliable, and you get more games, that are also of a higher quality.

Sony:
It's gonna have 8GB of RAM!

WOW! My PC only has TWICE THAT!

Of course it is, it's the new one. It's also made by a hardware company who's main competition is a software company that has already released a console and doesn't care much for power, and another software company who don't have diddly squat yet.

Also, I'm pretty sure he's talking about proper dedicated gaming platforms. High end PCs aren't gaming devices, they're desktops that someone is willing to spend embarassingly large amounts of money on for relatively little value.

Kingjackl:

Also, I'm pretty sure he's talking about proper dedicated gaming platforms.

Well the last one i can remember was the PS2. So yep, it's more powerful than that :) Remember, last gen consoles were just cheap, locked down PC equivalents. This gen is a cheap, locked down PC.

Also, i wouldn't say embrassing amounts :D My PC wont have cost much more than what people pay for a slow-ass-hell laptop that they'll never move around + console. Except, well, it's vastly better at what it does than both! I quite like the fact i can be from power button to the escapist in ~15 seconds from a completely off PC.

Plus, if i didn't have a PC i'd miss out on dozens and dozens of amazing games that aren't on consoles. Guild wars 2, for example, is definitely my GoTY of 2012, and that's a PC exclusive.

Plus, without a PC, i'd not have backwards compatability with PS2 era and older games too. Since PC is the only platform that allows the gamer to access the history of gaming properly, it's the must have platform for anyone serious about their gaming hobby (preferably, you'd end up with all the major platforms, but if i had to only pick one: PC all the way) :D

Found the image that this very website spawned.

Never before has an image been more appropriate. Yes the PS4 is more powerful than it's predecessors (like that's fucking news)

That's NOT WHAT SONY NEEDS TO FOCUS ON.

"We've got better possibilities for PC ports"

"Because of the hardware"

Say that instead you blithering idiots, then the PC gaming rabid fans like me won't immediately piss ourselves laughing at the clearly incorrect headlines that a an announcement like that spawns.

8 GB of GDDR5 shared RAM? Pity my CPU alone has access to twice that.

Nearly 2 Teraflops of computational power? each graphics card I have has 1.5 TFLOPS of power. That sounds like..more.

As Toms Hardware, Anandtech and Ars Technica mention, the PS4 is $ for $ equivalent to a PC *right now*. They all reckon that in less than 6 months, PCs will surge ahead.

Sony, stop focusing on the wrong positive points of your own fucking products.

Kingjackl:

Also, I'm pretty sure he's talking about proper dedicated gaming platforms. High end PCs aren't gaming devices, they're desktops that someone is willing to spend embarassingly large amounts of money on for relatively little value.

I use my gaming focused PC to play and record fraps sessions of my games. I don't even listen to music on it outside of youtube. What do you define a "dedicated gaming machine" as? I'm pretty sure people use X360s and PS3's to watch movies at least.