Kaidan vs Ashley: who to save
Ashley
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Kaidan
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Poll: Mass Effect: Kaidan vs Ashley who to save

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im assuming everyone here has played the mass effect series but just in case, this has minor spoilers.

ive played through mass effect three times (twice to reach level cap and once because i lost all my save data). each time i saved ashley because her weapon skills seemed more useful and i found her more likeable. after finishing the subsequent two games and dealing with ashley, i really wish id let her die. she was my closest companion by the end of mass effect 1 and then after that, shes just a giant asshole to me for the rest of the series. i took her on every mission with me in the third game, talked to her a lot, was always nice to her. i thought by the end of the game maybe she would finally start acting like a respectful human being. NOPE! total prick right to the end. then after my death she has the audacity to act all sad. shut the fuck up, ashley, we both know you dont give a shit that im dead.

i dont know how it changes if you choose to save kaiden, maybe whoever you dont send to die is just destined to become a jagoff

Save the speciest, bland woman or the boring, blander man?

I personally go with Kaidan more often, simply because I like Carth's voice actor, but they're probably the two blandest party members in all the series (With the possible exception of Jacob and Miranda, but those two at least had the whole being part of Cerberus thing going to make things interesting). Their dialogue is pretty much identical in ME 2 & 3, with very few exceptions, so it's not like it matters that much.

Will never understand people calling Ashely racist. She never once does anything of the kind. She's uneasy a bit about aliens from only interacting with them in more millitary settings, but never displays anything out right racist.

When ACTUAL racists show up she calls them on their crap.

LetalisK:

lawrencein:
I say Ashley but only because a completely unrelated event in Mass Effect 3 fails to trigger if you saved Kaiden.

Are you talking about the drinking scene or something else? I saved Kaiden and I'm curious what unrelated event you're talking about.

There was a bug where Ken and Gabby would just stand in the engineering bay and their banter dialog would not trigger unless you were friends with Ashley. Though looking this up for this post it appears that it was fixed if you have the Extended Cut DLC.

lawrencein:

LetalisK:

lawrencein:
I say Ashley but only because a completely unrelated event in Mass Effect 3 fails to trigger if you saved Kaiden.

Are you talking about the drinking scene or something else? I saved Kaiden and I'm curious what unrelated event you're talking about.

There was a bug where Ken and Gabby would just stand in the engineering bay and their banter dialog would not trigger unless you were friends with Ashley. Though looking this up for this post it appears that it was fixed if you have the Extended Cut DLC.

Now that I think about it, I do remember it odd that I didn't get much conversation out of those two. This would explain a lot. I guess I have more to look forward to in my current Ashley-saved playthrough.

You should save Ashley for the variety but from a logical perspective I would save Kaiden everytime.

So the big differing factor in my logic is that Ashley is religious. So either God doesn't exist, in which case it doesn't matter which one dies because they'll be dead and have no way of knowing it or regretting or being conscious of the fact they aren't alive. Or there is a chance God exists, in which case Ashley is safe and Kaiden isn't.

When it doubt, it always makes sense to save the non-religious person over the religious one (as terrible as that sounds :P). In that scenario the worst case is your choice didn't matter and the best case is the best case, no matter how slim you might estimate the probabilities of it being. Even as an atheist it makes sense, because if there's even a 1 in a 10^googleplex chance you might be wrong, that's still better odds than it making no difference at all who dies. I guess there would be a couple of exceptions with certain religions that punish believers who haven't done X,Y or Z but I'm pretty sure Ashley is christian.

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i dont know how it changes if you choose to save kaiden, maybe whoever you dont send to die is just destined to become a jagoff

This is what happens. It's basically plot mandated character assassination, because the story needs them to be angry at you even if there isn't really a reason. Made worse by the fact they were trying to write for too separate characters but also trying to avoid the story branching off significantly depending on that choice

I saved Kaidan, because I really can't stand people like Ashley. At least the headachey, obsolete, depressed biotic guy wasn't a damn xenophobic zealot.

Plus, biotic companions tend to be more useful than shooty companions in my experience. I can handle the required shooting, while biotics are a pain in the ass to hit anything with... so I make the AI handle that on my command (honestly, my companion loadout of choice is one pure biotic, one Vanguard... so human companions tend to get no love).

My recommendation: save the one who shoulders headaches rather than causing them.

LetalisK:

I also never understood how people take moral stands on Ashley, yet I never hear anything about Wrex. He's a gun-for-hire that shows little care for the deaths of innocents, yet no moral outrage over that.

Shhh shh! Don't talk ill about Wrex! He will eat you!

Besides... Garrus has allways seemed to like him, who am I to question that?

I honestly never really understood all the hate Ashley gets. She's really one of the most well written characters in the first game. The others are mostly just walking codex entries for their respective races. There is more to her than just "lol I don't like aliens" that people constantly go on about(and you can get her to become more open minded throughout the game).

Unfortunately you don't get much payoff in Mass Effect 3 because she doesn't really do anything. It's almost like the writers forgot she even existed after a certain point. Mass Effect 3's Kaidan on the other hand is a much better character. Mass Effect 3 actually made me like him, because I could relate to him a bit with his awkwardness.

I didn't so much save Ashley as kill Kaiden. Why? Because I was playing FemShep and romancing both Kaiden and Liara. He then throws a bitch fit and makes you choose. I picked the dialogue option:"Can't I just have you both?" because I was trying to set up a zero-g space threesome.

Now, Liara was down for the interspecies fuck-fiesta I was planning, but Kaiden then gets angry and essentially ends his romance path by telling you he's disgusted and bla bla. You do not sass me on my Normandy, so Kaiden had to die. That meant Ashley didn't die, but I honestly gave no shits. Wrex + Garrus all day; every day.

I chose Kaiden because Ashley's a bit of a species-ist... and I found her extremely unattractive in Mass Effect 1. Kaiden honestly isn't that great either, but I don't regret my decision. Also, for a game play standpoint, she's less useful than Kaiden in most situations.

I kill Ashley every time. In fact, I get impatient to do so. It doesn't matter what kind of character I play. She is misoxenist, simple-minded, god-fearing, and practically useless in the first game's combat. Way I see it, not only is Kaiden more likeable, but he's got a better grasp of the big picture for the galaxy.

Off-topic: Whoever "offers you 'more ways to save'" can kiss my ass.

Kaidan is a boring loser.

Ashley is one of the best characters in the game. Pretty simple choice really.

Both are good, though I personally like Ash more, both because Kaidan gets really pissy if you turn him down in ME1 and the fact that Ashley and Female Shepard are really badass together. I suppose Kaidan might be the same for a male Shepard but I wouldn't know because apparently all he wanted was my vagina and wasn't interested in talking to me more than for romance.

PS Ashley like so isn't even that racist. Yes she is uncomfortable with aliens in 1 but she learns to cut that out, and by the end of 3 she's calling people out on THEIR racist bullshit.

Of course if you're going purely based on stats, choose Kaidan. Nobody else has the same powers and junk. Ashley and Vega are the same though. And he is THE BEST character to have in the final mission.

It's funny, I'm currently replayed ME1 right now and I'm about to do the Virmire mission so it's pleasantly surprising that I see this right now.

On the one hand Kaiden is pretty boring despite having a somewhat interesting backstory. Unfortunately nothing ever comes of it, his character arc doesn't really exist and to top it off his powers are eclipsed by almost everyone else, IMO he's the worst squadmate to take in a fight. He does however seem like a nice guy.

On the other hand, Ashley is somewhat more interesting given her family history and her disposition towards aliens and her being religious. This gives her a somewhat unique character arc, although she still isn't particularly interesting. However she's still pretty annoying, ESPECIALLY if she kills a certain you know who on Virmire.

I think I'm gonna take Ashley though seeing as last time I took Kaiden

It virtually doesn't matter. They have the same role in the games and essentially the same dialog if you weren't in a relationship with either of them.

Didn't like either of them all that much, but I saved Kaiden.

I couldn't stand Ashley's racism, and more importantly, her insubordination. After having her angrily question Shepard's decisions a few times without Shepard giving her permission to speak freely on the subject - yeah - that was pretty much what signed her fate. If given the option I would have just transferred her to someone else's command or discharged her, but since that wasn't an option, yeah... she got to stay behind on Virmire.

Soviet Heavy:
Specieist Xenophobe or morose Carth Onasi 2.0? That's a tough one. They're both pretty bland characters, eclipsed only by the black hole of a personality that is Jacob. I'd go with Kaiden, because at least he's just being mopey, and not actively trying to kill your other teammates.

That..is the best description of kaiden I've ever heard. But when it boils down to bland vs actively unlikable my vote tends to go with the generic, if unoffensive one. Granted they both come back to bite you in two and three...buut at least kaiden has a couple of halfway tolerable things to tell you about his training and the early biotics programs

I actually liked both characters in the first game and I saved both over the course of various playthroughs. That said, I voted for saving Kaidan in this poll because I actually ended up editing all but one of my Ashley saves to swap them out after playing ME3 - her character had a couple of good moments, but overall he gets more random banter on missions and on the Normandy with other characters and has (at least for my play style) a more useful powerset.

I was surprised by the dialogue thing - knowing that almost three-quarters of games have Ashley rather than Kaidan I'd have expected her to have better lines and more of them. And given that she was the LI in the original ads, I'd have thought her romance plot would have been better as well, but I thought it was the blandest of them (not counting the ME2 non-squad ones, of course). It's a shame, because she was a decent character to start with (I don't disagree with the "religious/racist" thing, I just thought it made her more interesting).

And Kaidan is worthwhile for reasons other than just being not-Ashley though - he's almost unkillable with Barrier maxed out, he has some funny lines in 1 (I always wonder if the people who were bored with him just didn't bring him to Noveria and missed his best lines). And I liked that in the Citadel DLC there's a bit where he calls a renegade Shep out for being an ass, because it's about time someone did.

SwimmingRock:
I didn't so much save Ashley as kill Kaiden. Why? Because I was playing FemShep and romancing both Kaiden and Liara. He then throws a bitch fit and makes you choose. I picked the dialogue option:"Can't I just have you both?" because I was trying to set up a zero-g space threesome.

Now, Liara was down for the interspecies fuck-fiesta I was planning, but Kaiden then gets angry and essentially ends his romance path by telling you he's disgusted and bla bla.

Eh, Ashley has the same scene with the same reaction (more-or-less, if anything she's more aggressive) with mShep.

I always have to save Ashley. I don't even like her, she annoyed me, the racist cow. But at least she has a personality. Kaidan was just BORING. Would rather have a squadmate I hated than one I felt nothing for at all, plus she becomes a more reasonable person in ME3, so it wasn't too bad.

Soviet Heavy:
Specieist Xenophobe or morose Carth Onasi 2.0? That's a tough one. They're both pretty bland characters, eclipsed only by the black hole of a personality that is Jacob. I'd go with Kaiden, because at least he's just being mopey, and not actively trying to kill your other teammates.

Agreed.
I could forgive Ashley a great many things, but I couldn't forgive her for

Kaidan may be bland, but at least he never did that.

King of Asgaard:

Soviet Heavy:
Specieist Xenophobe or morose Carth Onasi 2.0? That's a tough one. They're both pretty bland characters, eclipsed only by the black hole of a personality that is Jacob. I'd go with Kaiden, because at least he's just being mopey, and not actively trying to kill your other teammates.

Agreed.
I could forgive Ashley a great many things, but I couldn't forgive her for

Kaidan may be bland, but at least he never did that.

Wait, you didn't do it yourself? :p

Kaidan is the more likeable character and more beneficial to gameplay. I've always preferred him.

Ashley. Ashley was, overall, a more interesting character to me. she was flawed, and had issues, but you understand why she had her negative aspects, and she had a an arc to somewhat dealing with them. (still haven't played 3, but hope to start on it soon).

Kaidan just didn't engage me at all. I enjoyed his backstory, but it didn't grab me like tali, wrex's, garrus's, liara and ashleys.

Plus overall I found him kinda dead weight in combat. I lost count of the times he got taken out of action compared to the others.

I let Ashley die a lot. Most of the cast from Mass effect 1 aren't that much interesting to begin with. Besides, Kaiden sort of became a bro during Mass effect 3. He was canadian and drank whiskey! WHISKEY! I TELL YOU!

I haven't done a playthrough with Ashley surviving.

LetalisK:

King of Asgaard:

Soviet Heavy:
Specieist Xenophobe or morose Carth Onasi 2.0? That's a tough one. They're both pretty bland characters, eclipsed only by the black hole of a personality that is Jacob. I'd go with Kaiden, because at least he's just being mopey, and not actively trying to kill your other teammates.

Agreed.
I could forgive Ashley a great many things, but I couldn't forgive her for

Kaidan may be bland, but at least he never did that.

Wait, you didn't do it yourself? :p

Y-you...you CHOSE to do the deed yourself?!

I had three very good reasons to leave Ashley behind.

1. She was a racist bitch
2. I played a soldier myself so i wouldn't lose any of the team's composition if she died.
3. She was supposed to be a soldier. I honestly thought there might be a chance she could fight her way out. It was only later i discovered you have to let one of them die.

save ashley. way hotter imo

Choosing between an angsty, boring dude and a racist boring chick?

Neither. I really wish that was an option.

Wow, there's a lot of Kaiden hate in this forum. The dude's awesome. If you take time to actually get to know him you find that he's got this quiet and reserved awesomeness that he's just too cool to play up. The man's a hero.

Even when I've been trying to do playthroughs that are drastically different from my typical ones I always end up saving Kaiden. I just can't bear to have Ashley on my ship. Stupid space racist, everything about her just rubs me the wrong way.

chuckdm:
Ashley. Because one of the best moments in ME3 (hey, it IS good UNTIL the end, I admit it) requires Ashley on the Normandy. Let's just say some girls handle their liquor better than others ;)

Of course, if you just want whichever is more useful in combat, Kaiden, but unless you don't have anyone else to pick AT ALL you could do MUCH better than EITHER from a combat standpoint.

which one was it that was a total douche towards you for working for cerberus in ME3 ... ashley? man i so wanted an option to have shepard tell her to shut the fuck up. it was annoying. and that liquor scene you referred to was just strange to me.

but then so was gayden, er kaiden. his character just didn't do anything for me.

to the OP: if you could sacrifice both, i would. since you have to choose, i would keep ashley. the annoying goes away after a while but the emotional "we never really talk shepard" kaiden never does.

Eh, for me it boiled down to tactics. Ash seemed a better choice to stay with the bomb as far as I was concerned, and a rescue from the tower seemed more feasible than a rescue from the hotbed that was the bomb site. Therefore I tended to favor Kaiden, not due to any particular preference for him over Ashley, but because that rescue makes more sense to me.

Angelowl:
Especially since I feel insulted by Ashleys armour, PINK?! Just, why?!... She is supposed to be regular infantry. Why is her armour white and pink?! >.<

Good question. When I first saw her I figured she was a medic, but nope. No medics in the squad, so the question of 'why' remains...as does the question of why she had her hair long and loose like that in ME3.

Kaidan, duh. I always liked him, whatever other people said. Moaning a fair bit doesn't make you a boring character, and I always found his viewpoint on things quite interesting.

Whereas Ashley was just annoying, unfriendly and mildly racist.

Zhukov:
I always saved Ashley.
I don't hate her like a lot of people seem to. She's a long (looooong) way from being my favourite character, but she's alright.
Kaiden was just... Kaiden. No distinguishing features at all.

This is what happened during my initial play-throughts. Kaiden was just to boring to save.

However, I regretted it in ME3. Ashley is useless - Kaiden would have been far more useful.

Although I would have missed out on drunk Ashley. Her best moment ever.

Man. The hatred for the religious here is... disconcerting.

Ashley isn't really that xenophobic or religious. And her views don't just come out unless you actively talk to her. She doesn't just shout religious things in the middle of combat. And by ME3 she's pretty good friends with the other members of the team. Her and Tali get along pretty well.

OT: I really dislike Kaiden. I don't think I've ever saved him once. Mass Effect for me is Ashley.

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