Why the belief Digimon copied pokemon?

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Pssh, they don't even compare. Digimon beat the shit out of Pokemon. Best kid's show ever. That was like, my childhood.

KiruTheMant:
Alright,No this isn't a bitch thread. (Well,MAYBE at the people who are asses about it and claim with no proof.) But they came out about the same time,Pokemon in Games and Digimon in Keychain pets,But really the only thing they share is the monster angle,and that could mean godzeera was the original pokemon. I felt Digimon was for the more mature child while pokemon was for children whop wanted something funny with something cute. What are you angles on the Similaritys?

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Real reason, broadcasting. Pokemon came on more well known channels where I lived and Digimon came on the obscure channels the weird kids watched.

It was simply inspired by Pokemon and not copied. Why don't we consider every fps a copy of doom, or every rock band an Elvis copier? Because people take a formula that clearly works and give their own touches to it. It's the same in all forms of media.

Digimon is like a romance, in that one person and one monster share a bond and partnership fully reliant on trust and inter-dependability. Pokemon is like a movie about a king and his concubines; he is responsible for their well-being, and they are dependent on him, but in the end it's a matter of developing enough of an emotional connection to each to use them for his own purposes, and not much more.

That said, I like both, but I find Digimon to be thematically superior in every way. And superior in most other ways too.

I've seen both and... Mostly because they're essentially the same fucking thing...?

Kids that pick up "portable" companion monsters to fight battles for them and go on increasingly random and contrived adventures.

If there is a difference, from what I remember, is that the Pokemon crew comes across as more of a dick, while the digimon crew are more along the lines of retards. The Pokemon guys use enslaved animals to beat up and enslave further animals, for no particular use or reason but to enslave more animals for some demented collection. Meanwhile the digimon guys just seem to act more on random and malconstructed lines of arbitrary though than anything. "OH NO! MY PET IS DYING! I'LL JUST SIT HERE AND MOTIVATE HIM!".

Both series are pretty terrible, so neither should be doing much bragging about "being the first"...

Verex:
Pokemon
Digimon

Well played good sir!

KiruTheMant:

Psychosocial:
You're saying it wasn't a ripoff because of a couple of keychain pets?

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That's not even logic, what the two of them are famous for are being shows where teens go around catching weird monsters and evolve them. Even though there wasn't as much of the catching in Digimon as in Pokemon, the facts remain. Pokemon set a ground as a game, and later on an anime, about kids catching monsters. Digimon set a ground as a keychain pet.

Fair enough,But I mean the only ground I see is the monsters part,the evolution was a bit different,but still on a basis. Every anime has a transformation of some sort nowadays if its actiony,just called evolution there. As for the games,The base is sort of the same,it IS more about catching in some,but the pokemon games have the catching Genre set in stone,whil the Digimon Worlds changed contantly. 1 was a daycare raising sort of thing,2 a crawler with random battles like final fantasy games,3 was about collecting cards,and 4 was a battler. Data Squad was an Anime game. Similarities Exist,but the differences are more direct.

Digimon debuted 16 months after Pokemon, but not on the Gameboy. They debuted on a set of Tamogachi virtual pets that Bandai created to appeal to males since the Tamogachi was liked mostly by females.

Even the Digimon Adventure movie was just a short film. It was never meant to lead into a TV series, but lo and behold Bandai's pets were so popular they received a request to create a TV series before the film was even done.

However, Digimon became the series it did because the writers were given free reign to tell some good stories in the respective universes.

Cases in point:

Matt and T.K. - Their parents divorce and Matt's hatred towards his mother because of it.
Tai - His guilt for nearly causing Kari's death years before.
Joe - His questioning of what his father wanted from him, I.E. to become a doctor. (Edo Period tradition, though.) Yoshino in Savers had similar issues with her mother.
Cody - Overcoming his phobia of water and coming to terms with his father's death.

Seriously, if you look at any of the Digimon seasons, it's clear that the characters are more realistic, despite the awkward dialogue at times. (Also, don't forget that one of the head writers of Serial Experiments Lain and Neon Genesis Evangelion had a hand in Digimon Tamers.)

The games have been all over the place since Digimon World 1, but overall they're fun to play, especially the DS games.

Actually, here's an idea Namco/Bandai, free of charge: (Not really.)

Make a Digimon game with Dynasty/Samurai/Gundam Warriors gameplay, expanded RPG elements, and an open world like what we see in Skate 3 or Just Cause 2. I can almost guarantee that people will love it.

There are some glaring similarities to Pokemon. Not surprising though, give the people what they want.

Because, at least in America, the Pokemon anime came first.

To be fair, it has far more in common with Transformers (cartoon made to advertise a line of toys. The plot had shapeshifting heroes and their human friends fighting off evil invaders from Earth--At least, during the Myotismon arc and the movies)

KiruTheMant:
Alright,No this isn't a bitch thread. (Well,MAYBE at the people who are asses about it and claim with no proof.) But they came out about the same time,Pokemon in Games and Digimon in Keychain pets,But really the only thing they share is the monster angle,and that could mean godzeera was the original pokemon. I felt Digimon was for the more mature child while pokemon was for children whop wanted something funny with something cute. What are you angles on the Similaritys?

Pokemon had a stronger media presence, received more media attention (remember the seizure warnings for the first movie?) and had it's animated series released in NA first (I believe). People had a higher chance of being exposed to Pokemon over Digimon, so when they eventually DID see Digimon they figured it was a clone regardless of the actual dates involved in their creation.

There can only be one type of anything. Whatever is known first means that anything else is a copy. Even if it came out at the same time (or earlier).

Kurokami:

Marter:
Probably because the Pokemon anime came out a year earlier. At least, I believe that's how it went for North America at least.

Pokemon aired 1997 whereas Digimon was invented in 1993 as a male alternative to the Tamaguchi.

Uhh, everywhere I look, the Digimon virtual pet is stated as being released in '97. Even the Bandai license for Digimon doesn't start until then.

Digimon: © Akiyoshi Hongo · Toei Animation. TM & © 1997-2007 Bandai. DIGIMON, DIGITAL MONSTERS and all related logos, names and distinctive likenesses thereof are the property of Bandai/Toei Animation. Used under license by Bandai America Incorporated. All Rights Reserved.

Anyways, the similarities from an outside perspective really aren't all that hard to notice. IT's kids fighting monsters with their own monsters that evolve. And if you aren't a fan of either, that's really all you see.

Zachary Amaranth:
There can only be one type of anything. Whatever is known first means that anything else is a copy. Even if it came out at the same time (or earlier).

that logic is so flawed that it caused a earthquake.

So final fantasy was one of the first RPGs, does that mean Mass Effect copied it?

I'd personally say it was the other way around, but meh.

Pokemon was first and they revolve around the same basic idea. More or less at least.

Even if it was a ripoff, it was still better. Much better.
hell, even the new seasons of digimon are better than the new seasons of pokemon.

Brad Shepard:

Zachary Amaranth:
There can only be one type of anything. Whatever is known first means that anything else is a copy. Even if it came out at the same time (or earlier).

that logic is so flawed that it caused a earthquake.

So final fantasy was one of the first RPGs, does that mean Mass Effect copied it?

That logic was patently facetious. But yes, Mass Effect is a Halo (Because nothing before Halo matters) / Final Fantasy clone, with a touch of Star Wars (Since only Star Wars clones have telekinetic abilities).

If you had to explain the show to the uninitiated, you could easily say "some kids with outrageous hair and hats go around pitting their pet monster things against one another with the help of their nifty little gadgets to see who will come out tops." for either one.

Since Pokémon came first, Digimon gets called a copy cat. It doesn't help they share the same suffix. That's not to say one is automatically excellent and the other is trash, that's just opinion. (Although I'd like to think Pokémon was/is better seeing as it's the 2nd best selling video game franchise behind Mario)

Also, you could say the same for Yu Gi Oh, if you replace monster with playing cards and gadget with millenium puzzle.

Zachary Amaranth:

Brad Shepard:

Zachary Amaranth:
There can only be one type of anything. Whatever is known first means that anything else is a copy. Even if it came out at the same time (or earlier).

that logic is so flawed that it caused a earthquake.

So final fantasy was one of the first RPGs, does that mean Mass Effect copied it?

That logic was patently facetious. But yes, Mass Effect is a Halo (Because nothing before Halo matters) / Final Fantasy clone, with a touch of Star Wars (Since only Star Wars clones have telekinetic abilities).

nothing before halo matters, right, that doesent make a bit of sense, and theres no way you can make that make any sense.

Kagim:
People say kids
People saw monsters
People saw said monster evolving
People did not however see that said kids did not catch the digimon but rather were bound to the digimon nor was evolution a strength based thing but rather a situational based thing.

In short, people saw massive similarities that without context its understandable they have no idea that they are quite different shows. Just ignore them.

Indeed. In my honest Opinion the Story for Digimon was a Hell of alot better than Pokemon

(I mean Digimon 1 2 and 3) but you get the idea.
The fact that there was a story and not some Tom and Jerry story telling with Ash and Team Rocket.

I see Digimon as part of the same sub-genre.

Same target audience, similar premise (not same, similar. There is a difference!), similar style...you honestly cannot claim that one wasn't directly competing with the other at the time.

Hell, I even saw the pilot episode for Digimon way back when it first aired and even *I* first thought "Pokemon ripoff?". Admittedly, I didn't get to watch it after that though (I moved, and that station was no longer available to me).

Brad Shepard:
nothing before halo matters, right, that doesent make a bit of sense, and theres no way you can make that make any sense.

If you have a dictionary, I suggest you look up "facetious." In fact, Let Me Google That For You.

Wait...digimon isn't pokemon?

When I was a kid, I can remember watching both of them at one point. I watched pokemon more just because it was on just before and after school. So if I was ready to go on time I could watch it before I went to school, and then watch the next episode straight after I got home. Digimon was on later, when I was having dinner I think (I can't remember all that well, it was ten plus years ago). So I watched it more at first because it was convenient, then because I could follow the story, as I missed so many Digimon episodes I forgot all about it!

Zachary Amaranth:

Brad Shepard:
nothing before halo matters, right, that doesent make a bit of sense, and theres no way you can make that make any sense.

If you have a dictionary, I suggest you look up "facetious." In fact, Let Me Google That For You.

ill have to admit, that was preety cool.

I have personally played most games for both franchises, as well as watched the animes, and I even had a little digimon keychain. And although my personal preference tends to be Digimon, I will attempt to be unbiased, and most likely fail.

Pokemon -

While the franchise is bigger, it lacks a real storyline. You start with one Pokemon, you catch more, you fight at gyms, get a badge, and then throughout, you have antagonists you have to battle and beat.

However, although it's been the same ever since it came out, the introduction of new Pokemon has made it more interesting. It adds a suspense sort of effect, making you question how it will turn out. Despite the repetitiveness, it has a very large fanbase, and is extremely popular among people of many ages -- My mother even has a tattoo of Umbreon and Charizard on her back! And I'll admit, I play and watch Pokemon games more often, and I own a Pokemon blanket and Umbreon plushie, and well as the newest Pokedex book.

However, Digimon -

The fanbase is much smaller, and I'm sure there are much less Digimon than Pokemon (I am not sure!). Digimon has a much deeper storyline, more mature. Characters die, there is a looming darkness actually threatening to destroy the Digi-world, and there is the wonderful thing called character development! Now, you can argue that there was character development in Pokemon, but a very minimal amount. In the end, the plot of Digimon's anime was much better, in many ways.

So what about the games?

Dear god, some Digimon games were absolutely horrible, and the same goes for Pokemon. This is my personal opinion, but Pokemon Channel was a very cutesy game, but in the end, it got dull extremely quickly, and eventually became repetitive. Several Digimon games were repetitive as well. I will admit, I do have bias here. Although the Pokemon games do offer a lot of freedom and sidequest sort of things, I find that Digimon games seem more interactive, funner. You can choose to Digivolve them into a couple different kinds, and make several combnations. (The same may be said for Pokemon, although by my count, I believe there are five-to-ten Pokemon in all that actually have variety in evolution.)

I believe, in the end, Digimon is called a rip-off because of release date, small similarities, and fanbase.

~Clockwork

CoverYourHead:

WrongSprite:
Because it's about a bunch of kids going around catching cute little Japanese monsters and making them fight each other?

Dunno, just a thought.

They don't actually catch them in Digimon though, do they? I always thought they had one from the start and that was forever.

OT: I think it's because it's a japanese anime about kids with fighting monster pets that end in "-mon". And they arrive in the States at about the same time.

They weren't even pets either they were more partners just thought I would toss that out there :P

...how does one "accidentally" necro a 3 year old thread?

This is like the third one I've seen in the past two days. Hell, I posted in this thread.

In 2010.

Z of the Na'vi:
...how does one "accidentally" necro a 3 year old thread?

This is like the third one I've seen in the past two days. Hell, I posted in this thread.

In 2010.

We have been getting a lot of necro'd threads lately, how do they find them anyway?

OT: Because they both feature kids going around with creatures that were designed to sell toys (and games in Pokemons case)

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