School Uniforms? Yay or Nay?
Yes (Went to a School that required uniform)
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36.4% (285)
No (Went to a School that required uniform)
17.4% (136)
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Yes (Did not go to a School that required uniform)
12.9% (101)
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No (Did not go to a School that required uniform)
29.4% (230)
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Don't see why parents should have to pay extra just for their kids to go to school. And the thing is kids will still need regular clothes besides uniforms. And the excuse of "Then they won't buy super expensive trendy clothes" is quite silly. Its none of schools' business to be trying to manage the spending habits of parents. The parents can go ahead and decide not to buy them on their own, we don't need schools trying to account for poor spending habits of parents.

Nor do I understand this idea of it being easier to dress in the morning. I mean really, do people spend 10 minutes staring at their clothes deciding what to wear? I just get jeans + plain shirt + jacket = done. But if it is such an issue to decide, getting up earlier is always possible. Or thinking it out beforehand if it is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuch a big issue.

Also all that unity stuff etc... maybe that's good for some of you, but I just find it cheesy. And it makes an amusing contrast to people saying it cuts down on judging others for their clothes. Because apparently it isn't hitting the root of the problem since people putting too much emphasis on clothing seems to be part of why they want uniforms...

We didn't have a school uniform (I live in Finland) and never really saw the need for them. My views might be different if I went to a school with uniforms but that would mean I grew up in a different country all together etc. so it's kinda moot speculating about that.

No, because I'm lazy. Schools that require uniforms only give you one, don't they? So, doesn't that mean having to do laundry every day? Sounds like a waste.

Also, what if the uniform happens to be irrationally uncomfortable? That's no fun.

And I've never ever heard of someone being bullied based on the clothes they wear. Never happened while I was in school, far as I know. (In fact, the bullying scene seemed to skip past my year and the years adjacent, almost entirely..)

I am against school uniforms. It used to be because my clothing style was T-shirt and sweatpants for 7 or 8 years, and I would have despised the idea of having anything else on. But then, around the time I was given a tophat as a present, I decided to clothe myself in style with that. Waistcoat and shirt, with a coat on when outside. Now I feel that a school uniform would undercut rather. Also they'd probably not let me have my hat. At which point I'd go into a murderous craze.

left school ages ago but had to wear a uniform, didn't like it at all but looking back I can see a couple of positives.
1. you learn how to do up a tie (yeah not that great but it's something)
2. it puts all the kids on the same level when it comes to fashion. by this I mean kids won't get bullied because they aren't wearing the latest trend in footware or jeans or whatever.

I've been out of school for a few years now and while I was a student I would have absolutely hated it if I was forced to wear a uniform. On the contrary, I like the idea of school uniforms. We're going to be in some uniform or other for the rest of our lives...might as well get used to it. Then again, I think I'm more in favor of the fashionable types of uniform...apparently that's a thing in Japan where you can get uniform-style clothes...I think I'm more in favor of that kind of thing...I lost my train of thought...sorry

Australian public school bloke so the uniform was what we had to wear and I never really had an opinion of it........Until I left school and for some reason it started to look amazing on the year 12 girls.

Why did I not notice this before!

I guess school uniforms require kids to learn discipline at an early age, that doesn't make it any less fun though. They lack expression and are otherwise boring and pointless.

Then again, if I had to wear those stylish school jackets from Persona 4 I would not argue one bit.

If there were no school uniforms, we wouldn't have this:

Think about that for a little while.

But seriously, they seem pretty ridiculous to me. Although, I still don't want to think what would've become of AC/DC without Angus' school boy uniform.

Yes and no, I suppose. My schools never required uniforms, and whenever I saw someone that went to those kinds of schools it looks rather uncomfortable to be in... I think that bullying happens from what people look like rather than what they wear, facial features and all.

It would be interesting to see a school that provides uniforms, though they don't require it to be worn. That'd be the best. Also, if I did choose a school uniform for myself it would be the Persona 4 school uniforms because they just look so weird and badass at the same time.

immovablemover:
Went to a school with a uniform, would recommend it.

Yeah yeah "But it stifles people's individuality!" blah blah bullshit. Beyond the simple point that you're at school, not at the mall you goddamn hippy, anyone who requires specific clothing to express their "Personality" doesn't have one.

You honestly believe this? This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard on the subject.

Yeah nobody can express themselves through clothing, it's impossible and your personality never makes you more likely to dress a certain way. [/sarcasm]

Surprised nobody said this but

"Don't these schools do enough damage making all these kids think alike, now they have to make them look alike too? It's not a new idea, either. I first saw it in old newsreels from the 1930s, but it was hard to understand because the narration was in German. But the uniforms looked beautiful. And the children did everything they were told and never questioned authority." - George Carlin

There really is no need for school uniforms. You want to stop people wearing something distracting have a dress code, a school uniform is like using a grenade to get rid of ants.

That shit gets costly, but I like the idea. I just don't like the expense. I do find uniforms to be a bit stifling; a suit or some kind of higher dress level or something, with Fridays being casual (I guess like most workplaces, although I don't like the idea of professionalizing little kids) is better.

Uniforms started for me after my 2nd grade year. I wore them until high school.

Can't remember why they started us off.

At this point, the very last option probably fits me best. Because I'm actually pretty damn indifferent.

Unfortunately, children don't really have any rights. But PARENTS do!

PARENTS can get a Dress Code Exemption Card based on their Human Rights to be the social and moral educator of their child. This is called "conscientious objections".

A case on the issue of a Dress Code Exemption Card was brought to the Queensland Ombudsman in 2011, and the Queensland Ombudsman confirmed on 20 June 2012 that "the term 'conscientious objections' principally refers to religious or cultural objections. However, it is possible to interpret the term more broadly to encompass philosophical, moral, social and political objections." As such, the Queensland Ombudsman has finally confirmed parents'rights! - and yet another Dress Code Exemption Card was issued at a Queensland state school.

If you want to be the moral educator of your child and if - to you - this means teaching your child freedom of expression, choice, individuality etc. also through apparel, you can find all the information you need to apply for a Dress Code Exemption Card at any Queensland state school on:

http://gitte7.wix.com/noschooluniforms

The Queensland Education Department doesn't really want you to know this and only let you in on half of the truth. I wonder how we would all feel, if e.g. the Australian Taxation Office only let us in on our responsibilities to pay tax, and "forgot" to inform us of our tax deduction and exemption rights . . . . !?!?

If you live in another state/country, your Human Rights should be NO different! - STUDY the Education Act in your state/country, because countries who have signed up for the Internation Covenant on Civil and Political Rights MUST recognise "the parental right to be the moral education of a child".

So, whereever you are, go out there and stand up for your rights and CREATE CHANGE!
Best of luck!
B. Whites

I went to a school that required it and felt it was unnecessary. Some sort of unifying mark is a good thing, but I disagree with a whole uniform.

I went to a school that required them, and I'm going to have to say a huge NO. I hated them, they were uncomfortable, impractical, and most of all retarded looking (no one looks good in hunter green... I don't care who you are) Also, seeing as the most common retort I got to this statement was 'it stops bullying about clothes', it does no such thing. At my school if you had to get yours second hand you got made fun of, if your SHOES were 'uncool' you got made fun of. The uniform did nothing to stop that. That is why I'm against them. (Sorry if I'm coming across a bit bitchy, I am PMSing so hard right now...)

I went to a school with a uniform (UK) and I really didn't care, i didn't have an interest in fashion so non-school uniform days were always a hassle, even into the 1st year of 6th form..

But if I was asked to wear a uniform now that I'm at uni, i would really hate it, unless i was just required to wear my kickass suits everyday, that i could live with

I mostly seems like people don't like them if they haven't tried them. I personally like them because you don't have to worry about what you wear that day. You get up, have a shower and then your clothes are already picked out for you. Unfortunately, they tend to be a little expensive as they often require a blazer.

Legion:
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BlackStar42:
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That actually sounds like a good system. Thanks for telling me.

I thought this thread said "School Unicorns". I am totally in favour of school unicorns. Or non-school unicorns. Unicorns, in general, get my vote.

Other than the cost, yeah it works, and I only complain about the cost 'cause a full set of summer and winter uniforms for my school would be costing close to $700.
I can't be bothered picking clothes to wear, and my mother and sister will constantly bang on about how I need to get some fashion sense and stop just wearing what's on my floor.
School uniforms are also good practically for the purpose of identification on excursions or interschool sports. Rather than have every teacher in the school memorise what every student in the school looks like, you just look for the uniform.
It also slightly dispels the stupid group system some people seem to try and put in place, where you categorise people by their looks and what clothes they wear into groups that are discouraged from interacting with each other.
For some people there is even the feeling of school pride, though they are rarer.

Uniforms in and of themselves aren't a bad thing. The bad side of it comes in with all the extra rules added on regarding uniforms. Some I can understand, like having to wear your school uniform properly if you are wearing it outside of the school grounds, or during a tour - your are representing the school.
Other rules regarding not being allowed to come to school in sports uniform on a sports day, and having to change at lunch time instead, strike me as stupid, however.
Requiring your uniform to be perfect whilst in class or playing at lunch is also stupid - you're inside the school grounds, not representing anything but yourself; you should be allowed to wear the uniform how your like.
Requiring families to spend ridiculous amounts of money on your uniform is also stupid and pointless, and if you want your uniform to be that elaborate you should pay for it yourself.

I've yet to see an actual school uniform that looks halfway decent, and I've yet to wear one that wasn't an ill-fitting, overpriced piece of crap. And the sheer amount of rules that get bolted on regarding what's allowed end up being so restrictive and annoying, especially because they're essentially entirely pointless. It just feels like the school is deliberately trying to make life difficult. When I finished Year 11, the feeling of never having to bother with any of that again was so good -.-

Father Time:
You honestly believe this? This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard on the subject.

Yeah nobody can express themselves through clothing, it's impossible and your personality never makes you more likely to dress a certain way. [/sarcasm]

More to the point he's saying you don't need specific clothes to express your personality. If you can't express it in any set of clothes, it doesn't exist - its the clothe's personality, not yours.
Even with a school uniform you find people who wear it completely proper; Blazer on 40'C days with shirt tucked in and tie on no matter the weather, people who follow the rules but don't try to look exemplary; wear everything properly to school and then take of your blazer, untuck your shirt and loosen your tie to increase your comfort, those who don't give a shit about the rules; never wearing the blazer with shirt and tie always untucked and loosened with a few of the top buttons not done up. You have people that exhibit their disdain for wearing it, those who exhibit acceptance and those who try to turn it into a fashion show even with just a school uniform, always showing off their clothes and trying to make them look stylish no matter what they are.

Its not that you can't express yourself by wearing specific clothes, you just don't NEED to. If you do need those specific clothes to express your personality, you don't have one - or you have a very bland and blank one.

Couldn't care less, I'd feel self concious about people judging me for wearing the same set of clothes over and over, I have about 5 pairs of jeans but if I changed my clothes every other day a pattern would build up. On the other hand it would give me the opportunity to blue jeans and a white shirt :D

It makes me sad to live on a planet where majority of youth think school uniforms are acceptable....

Are people so stupid they can't pick out an outfit to wear? That seems to be a common point brought up but is it really that hard to put on pants and a shirt? Besides if your outfit is already chosen how do you dress for the weather?

Not to mention all the other issues I'd have with it such as the cost, washing it since I only do laundry every 2 weeks and all the panty shots from wearing a skirt. I see no positives to uniforms whatsoever.

I went to one of the only schools in the area that had pimp jackets when you got to senior (Years 10, 11 ,12) the uniforms were very cosy and warm. The Junior uniform was gimp but everyone had to wear it.

I'm in Australia and had to wear a uniform in both primary and high school. Uni is the first time I've been educated without one. And I think they should be optional. Both primary and high school were blue and maroon (white shirt for seniors in highschool and a few other deviations, but basically that), and I thought they were stupid the entire time. Eliminating discrimination based on clothes by standardising a uniform doesn't work. Kids who think they're badasses will have their shirt untucked and short sleeves rolled up and wear trousers in summer. Kids who buy second-hand (me) will be easily distinguishable because they keep changing the fucking uniform every few years. And you can't force everyone to wear the same uniform, the same way, because that's impractical and even if you could it wouldn't be a true solution, it would be an overcompensating cover-up measure. Without a uniform, kids can wear what they want in accordance with who they are rather than try to express themselves through a stupid uniform. Secondly, the people who design the uniforms are morons, and unless you have a fashion designer behind your school, or at least someone with colour acuity, I'd rather pick my own. Thirdly, I have a chip on my shoulder because I won the competition to design our Year 12 jersey and then 'executive oversight' took the black out because it didn't mesh with school colours, almost leaving a massive white patch and ruining the design (before I emailed them a revised version out of desperation). The one thing I can think of in favour of school uniform is that PE teachers know the sports uniform is practical for sports. So I say have a sports uniform and let the rest be optional. Approve other colours of shorts + T-shirt if they're practical, but if people have sports on a day, rather than have to change, which is stupid, they can wear it the whole day or have their 'uniform' cleared. The only other reason is identification, and to that end I say just have an armband or a tie or a hat or something, for the most part everyone else wears the same colours (in highschool) anyway, so why should that even be considered as differentiation?

tl;dr: Stifles creativity, is unnecessary, contributes towards childhood depression and advocates killing seals.

Not only should high school students submit to flogging, manufacture license plates, and wear uniforms, they should speak when spoken to and subsist on algae food substitute.

I came to believe this During the first week of my freshman year in college.

Fractral:
No, and I go to a school that requires them, even now that I'm in the sixth form. It is hot in summer, cold in winter, costs and arm and a leg, and looks horrible. It is an absolute pain to have to wear, and if you have it the way the teachers say you should it is uncomfortable as hell.

Went to a similar school. It's not too bad if you have practical clothing and a range of different clothes. Allowing skirts and just t-shirts is a great way to combat the heat and wearing your jumper and trousers makes up for it in the cold. I prefer a jumper/polo combo to a blazer/shirt affair just for it's sheer practicality. I also just think a uniform is more appropriate for school, though A-Levels should at least do away with a fixed uniform and at it's strictest have a smart casual standard.

Joccaren:

Father Time:
You honestly believe this? This is probably the stupidest thing I've heard on the subject.

Yeah nobody can express themselves through clothing, it's impossible and your personality never makes you more likely to dress a certain way. [/sarcasm]

More to the point he's saying you don't need specific clothes to express your personality. If you can't express it in any set of clothes, it doesn't exist - its the clothe's personality, not yours.

That would only be true if you could express anything through any clothing. But it doesn't work that way, especially with uniforms which demand everyone look the same.

Joccaren:

Even with a school uniform you find people who wear it completely proper; Blazer on 40'C days with shirt tucked in and tie on no matter the weather, people who follow the rules but don't try to look exemplary; wear everything properly to school and then take of your blazer, untuck your shirt and loosen your tie to increase your comfort, those who don't give a shit about the rules; never wearing the blazer with shirt and tie always untucked and loosened with a few of the top buttons not done up. You have people that exhibit their disdain for wearing it, those who exhibit acceptance and those who try to turn it into a fashion show even with just a school uniform, always showing off their clothes and trying to make them look stylish no matter what they are.

Its not that you can't express yourself by wearing specific clothes, you just don't NEED to. If you do need those specific clothes to express your personality, you don't have one - or you have a very bland and blank one.

You do realize that people can put writing on their clothes or wear clothes with specific images. You really going to tell me that any combination of writing and images can be matched by a school uniform?

Also schools don't NEED uniforms.

Coming from London, UK yeah we all were made to wear school uniforms till Sixth Form for ages 17-18.

Looking back, I think I really took the whole school uniform thing for granted. I mean, visually it guaranteed you a means of fitting in and a sense of belonging. I never really cared about my appearance until my late teens, and as such I really helped myself by having my top button done up and wearing trousers that were perhaps a bit too short (both a big no no in British schools). Yeah I got bullied quite a bit...

We were allowed our own type of shirt vest/jumper though, something that I love wearing today when I go to work. I kinda wish I could go back in time and tell my younger self to buy one.

i went to school in Australia and Japan.
In both cases i went to a private catholic school so they had uniforms, and I liked it.
You dont have to worry about what to wear, you look smart, you are identified and protected by the uniform while at the same time, you knwo that people can identify you from the uniform so you dont want to do anything stupid and get in trouble.

Also, the Aussie school had a on campus store that sold second hand uniforms so you did not have to spend too much on your uniform even if you out grew them.

The Japanese school was a sailor suit ( think sailor moon, but pre-fighting scene) and allowed enough space for the uniform to be adjusted to the student's growth.
Not one girl i knew had to purchase a new skirt or top during their six years in school.
So if you calculate that to having to buy normal clothes, I think the cost per day is way better with a uniform.

Also the good thing about uniforms in Japan is that it also acts as your formal wear. So if you have a funeral, you just wear your school uniform, not black funeral clothes.
Even interviews for university was easy because you dont have to worry about being over or under dressed.

also.
The uniform thing was so romantic.
Like for example you go to a catholic private all girls school, and you get seen dating a boy wearing a school uniform from boy's school XXX or the "cool" school YYY was something of a status.
And until this day, when I see kids in a certain school uniform it brings back memories...

Father Time:
That would only be true if you could express anything through any clothing. But it doesn't work that way, especially with uniforms which demand everyone look the same.

There are a number of things that you can express through how you wear any set of clothing that mean far more than what that clothing is. Yeah, all the uniforms will look the same but read the second part that you quoted and you'll notice that there is more than 1 way of wearing these clothes, and that speaks more about who you are then wearing tracksuit pants instead of jeans ever will.

You do realize that people can put writing on their clothes or wear clothes with specific images. You really going to tell me that any combination of writing and images can be matched by a school uniform?

No, but they are far outclassed by how the person expresses themselves through behaviour and attitude. Having an ACDC picture on your shirt means absolutely nothing except that you are likely a fan of ACDC. How you're wearing that shirt, what you're doing at any given time, how you treat other people and your manners of speech are all far superior ways of expressing yourself compared to having something written on your shirt that most people with sense will take with more than just a grain of salt.
Its like I said, you don't need clothes to express yourself, and they're not even the best method of doing so.

Also schools don't NEED uniforms.

We could go on all day listing things that don't NEED to happen, but that's rather irrelevant to the discussion. School's don't need to have uniforms, students don't need to wear free dress, and the rules come down to the individual choice of the school. Some feel that the benefits of a uniform aren't enough to outweigh the negatives, many feel the opposite.

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