Santorum's war on pornography

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Humanity's been dabbling in porn since we first learned how to make a drawing, and we will keep making and watching porn until we meet extinction.

Santorum (*snicker*) would be better off trying to sanitize the industry. Getting rid of human trafficking and such.
That kind of thinking would require him to be a good person though.
And that he ain't.

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The world must be coming to an end. For once, me and Mr. Santorum 100% agree on a social issue. It has never gotten past 50%, and is usually closer to 0%. *running away* If you need me, I will be in the bomb shelter!

thaluikhain:

pyrate:
It needs addressing by actually giving kids sex-ed instead of abstinence only. Luckily the Utah governor just vetoed the bill that would have seen sex-ed removed from Utah schools, at least it means they are not going backwards.

That will help somewhat, but it won't fix the problem. Lots of people just end up believing in what they see on TV.

Yes, that's why every body that grew up in the 90's thinks that punching bricks produces gold coins, and that every 100 of them they get, makes them functionally immortal once.

thaluikhain:
Laying aside the obvious, something done to provide pleasure for those viewing it via a camera isn't a good way of determining things to provide pleasure for those involved.

Hell, labiaplasty is a big thing, because women feel abnormal for not looking like pornstars down there and feel the need to have it "corrected".

Isn't this the case with everything though? You can remove porn entirely from existence now, and heavy set girls, brunettes, or short men or etc. are going to look at Hollywood and going to think "I look like shit".

Yes, the ideal weight has gone up a bit as our own average weight has, but the ideal weight is still thinner now than what actual weight of people was 20 years ago, which means that even 20 years ago our ideal weight was full of shit, and that even if we thinned up to that era and kept our ideal weight for today, we'd still be full of it.

thaluikhain:

Polarity27:
IMO an ideal world needs both dispassionate sex education that's fairly comprehensive and says "it's okay to wait until you're sure you're ready" and isn't shame-and-blame-y *and* porn of many sorts. I actually think learning what turns you on is kind of an important part of sexual development. I mean, IDK, there are some kinds of porn that I think it best that people never find, but there are also kinds of porn that we'll all just look the other way about a minor clicking the "yes I'm over 18" box as long as they never say so, because there are way worse things than a kid participating in a kink meme.

I tend to agree with that.

However, even at its' best, pornography is a pretty poor depiction of actual sex, and the best seems few and far between.

First of all, it's a fairly accurate depiction of sex, because it's actual sex. At least if you're watching porn with real people in it and not hentai or furry porn or something.

What, I think you mean, is that it's not an good depiction of an actual relationship. Which it isn't. And it's not meant to be.

In the same way that a Hollywood summer action blockbuster movie is a poor depiction of an actual police investigation or car chase. It's not supposed to be an 'accurate' depiction of a relationship, because it services an entirely different need or desire.

Most people don't view porn to 'educate' themselves or to supplant their need for human companionship, they do so to get release from a primal desire, and that release can be healthy even with people who are sexually active in healthy relationships, for a myriad of reasons, for example but not limited to the fact that people's libidos in a relationship don't line up perfectly.

It's a way to express specific fantasies for fun, that frankly some people don't actually want to do in real life, in the same way that somebody running over pedestrians in Grand Theft Auto might possibly not want to do that in real life too.

Stagnant:

Pingieking:

Amnestic:
Thankfully those three things cross over very rarely.

But still much more often than they should.

You mean much less.

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Silvance:
This is why I don't understand why people vote for santorum. The only thing he comments on are social issues, while the real economical issues he seems to ignore. But that's for an entirely different thread.

It's kinda funny, really. The republican talk radio hosts seem to be bitching about how all we democrats can think of is women's rights issues and vaginas... While ignoring that Santorum's entire platform consists entirely of puritanical morality. He doesn't talk about the economy at all, or about anything even remotely related. Instead, he blabs on and on about how porn is evil, the separation of church and state needs to go, and contraception is a war against god. How. Fucking. Retarded. Does the modern republican party have to be to give this dolt a chance?

That's because they don't really care about the economy, or have any real plans for fixing it. The economy working shitty for the 99% is working as intended for the 1%, and so they have no desire to 'fix' it when they're getting cut that check. But obviously you're not going to get elected on that platform, so it's time to pull out the bibles, innocent endangered children and terrorists.

Heh...porn addiction...

Isn't that just a symptom of being male? Would he prefer that all that sexual tension not have a way out? Because unrequitted sexual urges are TOTALLY healthy.

Captcha: Umbrella Corporation.

Amnestic:

Aris Khandr:
Cats, ponies, and porn.

Thankfully those three things cross over very rarely.

Are you sure you have been on the internet? From what I've seen, there are quite a few examples of that.

Edit: ok. I've only seen 3 examples of a crossover of all three. So i guess still pretty rare

OT: I'm sure 90% of the congressional members view porn. I doubt they would try to ban it

Yes, let's ban pornography because if the War on Drugs has taught us anything, it's that banning shit totally makes it go away.

If that bastard dares to try and take away my turkey-on-donkey-on Palestinian midget porn then I will be forced to paint the streets red with his blood.

Besides, it's also probably what stops 90% of the people who can't get laid from shooting people up in a fit of sexual frustration. To quote the wisdom of my dear mother: "Do you know why all those countries in the Middle East are always fighting and trying to kill everyone? They're not allowed to watch porn, so they're pissed off. Just let them watch porn, and everybody'll be too relaxed for all the slaughtering."

I was just thinking of what Santorum is actually proposing to ban: porn altogether.

I'm now going to break the forum rules by posting images of pornography to illustrate Santorum's sillyness. I guess I'll be back on the forum in 3 days. ;-)

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Discobolos (or the Discus Thrower)

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Aphrodite of Milos

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Romulus and Remus in a horrible depiction of bestiality and child porn

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Gerard Lairesse: Venus Presenting Weapons to Aeneas, a horrible work that features clear misogyny and child porn.

Clearly if Santorum becomes president, and destroys these pornographic menaces to American society, we will all be saved.

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The world must be coming to an end. For once, me and Mr. Santorum 100% agree on a social issue. It has never gotten past 50%, and is usually closer to 0%. *running away* If you need me, I will be in the bomb shelter!

That's kinda depressing, really, seeing as Santorum is so clearly and ubiquitously wrong.

Silvance:
This might have already been posted, if it has, it's not on the first 3 pages. Santorum has claimed that hardcore pornography is changing ours and our children's brains. I do believe children should be protected, but I'm unsure as to how we do that without completely banning pornography. Santorum claims that there are multiple studies showing the effect that pornography has on us. Not one of those studies has been cited in his reports, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist. I'm curious about everyone's opinions.

Sources:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/16/santorum-addresses-pornography-pandemic-position/
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2012/0317/Rick-Santorum-vows-to-end-pandemic-of-pornography.-Could-he-prevail
http://www.ricksantorum.com/enforcing-laws-against-illegal-pornography

I'm not aware of the anti-obscenity laws he repeatedly cites. If anyone could give me more information on that, I'd appreciate it.

HE came for the gays; but we said nothing because we were not gay.

HE came for The Pill; but we said nothing because we were not women.

HE came for our Porn and... WHAT THE HELL SANTORUM YOU GO TOO FAR!

I imagine that is the reaction he will get.

:)

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The world must be coming to an end. For once, me and Mr. Santorum 100% agree on a social issue. It has never gotten past 50%, and is usually closer to 0%. *running away* If you need me, I will be in the bomb shelter!

What is so wrong about Porn, exactly? Just wondering.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

What is so wrong about Porn, exactly? Just wondering.

Having asked a similar question of him before, I think I know what his answer'll be: something along the lines of "it's bad mmkay."

NameIsRobertPaulson:

What is so wrong about Porn, exactly? Just wondering.

Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

2013: Santorum becomes president, pornography is banned from the internet

2014: The Second American Civil War begins

2015: With over 290 million dead the war finally ends. America collapses back into a prehistorical state. Erotic cave paintings become prevalent.

Blablahb:
-snip-

Heh. Better men than Santorum have already tried.

You might find this a fun read if you haven't perused it already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expurgation

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Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

I don't remember looking to porn for sexual education.

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Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

Why shouldn't sex be trivial? Provided everyone is using protection and playing it safe, can you give me any non-religious reasons for sex to be a big deal?

PercyBoleyn:

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Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

I don't remember looking to porn for sexual education.

You don't, but many people do.

Of course, you could blame the very many people who are fucking stupid (no pun intended), they are accountable for much.

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NameIsRobertPaulson:

What is so wrong about Porn, exactly? Just wondering.

Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

While I may not agree, I can respect that.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

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NameIsRobertPaulson:

What is so wrong about Porn, exactly? Just wondering.

Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

While I may not agree, I can respect that.

I can't! :D Sex is not devalued by porn unless you already hold a devaluating mindset. It's entirely possible to have casual sex and still hold it to be important.

Blablahb:

You're making the clear mistake that many do, including both religious and non-religious people, equating nudity with pornography. Generally, pornography is done to solicit a sexual response. Or, to use the greatest phrase to describe porn ever, "I know it when I see it."

Stagnant:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

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Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

While I may not agree, I can respect that.

I can't! :D Sex is not devalued by porn unless you already hold a devaluating mindset. It's entirely possible to have casual sex and still hold it to be important.

viewing porn in the way it was intended does not devalue sex, but if you're one of the few people who actively seek it everyday and spend multiple hours fapping a day you might have a problem. it has potential to devalue sex but that depends on the person really. seriously though take a trip to 4chan or hell even off topic board here and read all the threads about guys with unrealistic expectations regarding sex and relationships thanks to the way media portrays them.

thaluikhain:

You don't, but many people do.

Like who? I've yet to see someone treat pornography as anything but entertainment.

>read Santorum wants to ban porn

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oh... I need to stop spending so much time on /sp/...

Anyway, the very idea of banning porn is laughable. One thing Ol' Frothy forgets is that he actually doesn't have near as much popular support as he seems to think he has, because the culture warriors are a niche group and are in no way representative of the country at large. Also due to the fact that its such a non issue that most people would see it as wasting time, its hard to spin this as helping the country when there are so many people looking for work.

Of course, this doesn't bother me in the slightest
>Santorum,
>winning

pick one

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NameIsRobertPaulson:

What is so wrong about Porn, exactly? Just wondering.

Pornography contributes to society viewing sex as something trivial and pushes the notion that it has no meaning behind it. /opinion

So...it acknowledges reality?

Relationships have meaning, and sex inside relationships can reinforce that meaning, but the meaning is not necessary for the sex, and neither is the relationship. If you genuinely have a problem with that concept, I suggest you get to inventing a time machine, because any chance you had of enforcing your opinions on others ended around WW2 when women around the world started fucking foreign soldiers for fun.

Does Santorum actually know how many people watch porn?

It's a real issue.

There is too much porn. It dominates western culture and the internet. Kids and teenagers are growing up with more porn and more access to porn than is healthy.

I am an atheist, no prude and subscribe to the view that we shouldn't repress the libido or healthy sexual liberation and information. But that is the point: too much porn, too much an emphasis on skanky, mysoginist and promiscious sex to sell shit is not healthy. Too much exposure to that shit is not cool, especially with current generations growing up with this, and for which I am sure, or at least strongly suspect, has long-term and slow-burn deleterious effects on society, culture and relationships.

When I was a kid porn was a torn sodden page from a wank-mag that got blown onto our football pitch once in a while. Fascinating and forbidden stuff to us at that time but relatively rare and thus harmless. But now! Damn, way too much horrible shit at the click of a button and I really do think it dehumanises and degrades.

That doesn't mean I agree with Santorum. He is merely playing morality for easy votes from the religious right. Because the only way to counter porn would be with decent non-partisan and non-religious sex education that presented a healthy alternative rather than repressing what can't be repressed i.e. the libido.

Regards

Nightspore

p.s. Yes I do use porn on occassion. No, it doesn't make me a hypocrite. I drink ales a lot too, but still believe my country - Scotland - has a serious alcohol problem that needs to be remedied.

I am tempted to make a 3D model of Santorum and make him do "stuff" with other 3D priest models.
He might be a repressed gay anyway. He will be outspoken and in rage over my little joke, but will download the pictures in private for his secrete "collection" later on.

I may not be wrong.

I would disagree that porn is harming society. Sexulization can hurt society but that is not what I would think of as porn. Porn is just something that can be used for entertainment and to get rid of "that itch". People know that is what it is and it doesn't try to be anything else. Just like war games are not a commentary on war most of the time but just a piece of entertainment.

I assume everyone here has at least heard of the term sexualization? I would rather not go into it since I suck at explaining these things but does anyone else think this is a more likely cause of the problems these people are worried about rather than porn?

Nightspore:
There is too much porn. It dominates western culture and the internet. Kids and teenagers are growing up with more porn and more access to porn than is healthy.

And how much porn IS healthy?

Nightspore:
too much porn, too much an emphasis on skanky, mysoginist and promiscious sex to sell shit is not healthy.

Yeah, you can blame major corporations and Hollywood for that, not porn.

I just happened to see this article on the actual science (or lack thereof) behind Santorum's porn claims. Given the people they interviewed and their direct expertise on this matter, I think that's the last word on this malarkey.

Thing is, if you had to publicly make your vote 'I'm voting for porn freedom everyone!', then maybe he'd have a change, but I'm gonna go ahead and believe he's going to have a lot of people's husbands and boyfriends nodding their heads in female company and going 'oh yes, porn is terrible and Santorum is right!' and then going 'fuck him' in the voting box.

I never thought I'd see the day, but it seem Gingrich's Moon base is no longer the wildest goal for the Republicans, now Santorum wants to eliminate porn.

Seriously, they've pissed off women with the abortion and birth control shit, and now they've turned men against them, who's left to vote?

I understand Obama gets criticised for not doing enough, but we could have sat a tree stump in the Whitehouse and it'd at least not do anything crazy, something I can't say for whoever's in charge next election. It worries me that any of the GOP lot might get in.

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