On the Left 4 Dead Ban

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Valthek:
I wonder...

what if they replaced the zombies with monkeys.. would it still get banned?

Probably not, but I'm sure PETA would be first in line to try.

widowspeak:

Glefistus:
Honestly, why do governments care SO much about snot nosed minors. If the parent is a shitty parent and cannot control what their child sees then that is THEIR problem, not every adult in the nation, whose liberties are infringed thanks to concerned religious mothers.

Absolutely agreed. We have similar problems here in the U.S., just not on the same scale. Every time this issue has come up with some government official or other uppity individual (for example, Jack Thompson), we've somehow managed to quash it. Congressmen and other busybodies refuse to acknowledge that it is the parents' job to police the hobbies and goings-on of their own children. I can see why, given most parents around here seem to think it the responsibility of the government to do their job for them.

I used to work at a game store, and even though we had large posters outlining the meaning behind each ESRB rating, parents STILL didn't get that buying an M-rated game was going to expose their offspring to. . .well, not-so-kid-friendly stuff. I would point out the rating and the contents of the game to a parent at checkout, and, sometimes, I would get through to them exactly what they were about to buy for their kid. On those occasions, the parent would look at their child, and you could see from the child's face that they had hoodwinked good 'ol Mom or Dad into purchasing a game they really shouldn't be playing until long after puberty. Other times, though, I'd get screamed at for trying to tell a parent how to raise their little hellion. Is it any wonder why I no longer work in retail?

Bottom line: Parents, do your damn job. You've got to be at least a little better at it than the government. I mean, look at their track record. Do you REALLY want those idiots raising your kid?

Hold on just a sec- weren't Americans complaining about big government- yet they WANT the government to take care of their kids, and shield them from naughty things? Something aint right here

Okay, this may be a stupid question, but can't you just buy off of Amazon? Or Steam? I don't know the workings of the mailing system/government system in other countries, but I don't think they can ban you from using Amazon, or buying it off Steam.

What qualifications do you need to run for the ACB?
What branch of the government do they respond to?

What's the point of your representative democracy if the Australians aren't actually politicizing their unrest. A bunch of snide articles on esoteric video game based websites won't change a damn thing.

Yahtzee mentioned the average gamer is over 30. Is that true? o.O
If it is, it seems like simply publishing a survey result arguing that should take the wind out of the ACB's sails. Or at least force them to implement an 18+ rating.

This article gets 2 thumbs up from me:

DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB
DOWN WITH THE ACB

I can't imagine it's the first violent zombie game they've ever heard of, or do they only get out so often? Every couple years?

how about you all dress up as infected and go eat ur government. XD what too rash? how about talking with them and if they persist start patitioning against things old people like, for example pensions or worthers originals, or those mini car things... they could run people over on our streets ffs they're to dangerous the also encourage lazyness.
ha
i wonder when were in our old age if we do something similar to the new technology?

I think it's better to focus on the bit about not having an 18+ rating.

That means that the ACB considers videogames a pass-time for minors. That said, all of their points are quite valid in their context, there's no point trying to ridicule them or justify it.

The problem is that since it is unsuitable for minors, and they have no rating for non-minors, they can't approve it for sale. That said, perhaps more effort should be spent in advocating an 18+ or "Mature" rating, instead of complaining about their reasons for it being unsuitable for minors.

The points are valid in-context. The solution is changing the context.

all these reasons for the ban just increase my will to play this game...
good thing they didn't mention that you can even frigging DIE in the game, and float around like a ghost looking at your living allies fighting a horde of zombies and then extracting you magically from a closet somewhere along the way.
I won't wanna try that in real life.

Skylarm:
Okay, this may be a stupid question, but can't you just buy off of Amazon? Or Steam? I don't know the workings of the mailing system/government system in other countries, but I don't think they can ban you from using Amazon, or buying it off Steam.

That might just work.

For once I agree with Yahtzee's Extra Punctuation...
With things like this, it's only a matter of time until we have governments like the one in MIrror's Edge. I hope that never happens. That game was terrible.

Hmm, so basically the game isn't allowed because the ACB are Actually zombies themselves plotting world domination. And what us to be as unprepared as possible, for the zombie apocolypse that is currently on the horizon? I knew it!

canadamus_prime:
You could always move to Canada, Yahtzee. We haven't banned any games here, at least not to my knowledge. And we get games released at the same time as the Americans. WHOOOOOOO!

*Disclaimer: Not actually suggesting Yahtzee move anywhere. "Suggestion" intended for humorous purposes.

This quote...it is Truth, I quote it for world to share.

Also, it's one Attorney-General that needs to have non-violent sitdown of a about 30 people outside his office for a week(go larger, more days, more calmly). He'll get the message that you know about him, and that will make him realize he is pissing off a lot of older people.

Take a day off from work and fuuking protest! Old-school gangsta style(RIP M.L.K. Jr., Ghandi, Jesus).

Corrupt governments can't defend against peaceful attacks, everybody knows it. It's only a matter of time before they have to admit they represent evil/laziness/cruelty/incompetence in the system.

Lusulpher:
Corrupt governments can't defend against peaceful attacks, everybody knows it. It's only a matter of time before they have to admit they represent evil/laziness/cruelty/incompetence in the system.

China.

This makes me rage... It'd better be classified by release, or I'll march right down to Canberra, and slap the government silly.

And I WILL do it...

Wyes:

Lusulpher:
Corrupt governments can't defend against peaceful attacks, everybody knows it. It's only a matter of time before they have to admit they represent evil/laziness/cruelty/incompetence in the system.

China.

QFepicT

Rather ironic, considering that old joke of Australia being founded by convicts and all. And here I thought American raters were retarded old prudes.

Spider Expert:
This quote from the Manhunt ZP seems appropriate

"There's a very clear certification indicating that twelve year olds aren't supposed to be playing it but there's no denying they play it anyone because no one other than twelve year olds are into this thing. Talking breathlessly about wire decapitation and baseball bat cranial explosion is a good way to win friends around middle school but around the office water cooler it's a good way to lose them."

What's your point?

Those kids will still end up playing the games, it's those who do care about the law that are punished. The average gamer in Australia is about 30 years old, why should the many be punished to hide things from the few?

they are soooo worried that this has a bad influence on children. soon they mide ban scooby doo, because it mide make the children solve dangerous crimes. or any game based on cartoons like batman, spiderman etc. they have violence too and the children try to be like them.
maybe the government tries to have the same life like in the movie demolition man. no violence, swearing etc.

Knight Templar:

Spider Expert:
This quote from the Manhunt ZP seems appropriate

"There's a very clear certification indicating that twelve year olds aren't supposed to be playing it but there's no denying they play it anyone because no one other than twelve year olds are into this thing. Talking breathlessly about wire decapitation and baseball bat cranial explosion is a good way to win friends around middle school but around the office water cooler it's a good way to lose them."

What's your point?

Those kids will still end up playing the games, it's those who do care about the law that are punished. The average gamer in Australia is about 30 years old, why should the many be punished to hide things from the few?

Almost every kid would want this sort of thing and the large majority of adults would not care for it.

Also few? Hardly. Suppose my point is banning it is pointless.

Spider Expert:

Also few? Hardly.

What part of "The average gamer in Australia is about 30 years old" didn't you understand.
The majority has to follow the rules that exsist for the few.

It doesnt stop us getting the games. Almost all my games are imports and always have been. All it effectively does in the end is deny Australian retailers the income... go figure...

Apparently in Western Australia (the state of Aus that I live in) importing a copy of a game, movie, etc that is Refused Classification can result in a $10,000 fine. I think the law was aimed at people downloading weird porn or something, but could just as easily be applied to importing L4D2 uncut.

Also, as others have stated, it isn't the ratings board that is holding back an R18+ rating for games, it is the Attorneys-General, but on top of that there is another holdup, which is the department of the Minister for Home Affairs, which is dragging its feet on the release of a discussion paper on the R18 rating. This discussion paper is the way forward for the rating, so at the moment the ball is in his court. So Aussies, if you want to contact someone to get things moving, send him a (mature, polite) letter, to let him know that it is important to you. That is, a real letter, don't waste your time with an email. Here are his details:

The Hon Brendan O'Connor MP

Minister for Home Affairs

Parliament House Contact
PO Box 6022
House of Representatives
Parliament House
Canberra ACT 2600

http://www.aph.gov.au/house/members/member.asp?id=AN3

I wouldn't even be so offended if it really was just "save the children", but it's not. Because they claim to be so concerned with children, even fully-grown adults are treated like children. We don't need child safety locks and ratings boards to keep us safe: we're adults who are capable of making judgements for ourselves. If we want to rip zombies to shreds while being sprayed with blood and guts, then let us -- it's not like we're harming anyone.

The video game rating boards are no different than any other self-appointed censorship panel. It's a group of self-righteous people who think they have some God-given job to protect everyone else from the immoral, the morbid, and the sinful. Fuck them. What they think is corrupting, I call cathartic. What they call violent, I call realistic. What they call a sin, I call a game. It's make-believe, pretend, pixels on a screen. We're not mass murders, we're just racking up points, and no amount of blood, drugs, or otherwise are going to change the nature of the game.

The whole damn world seems to be taking a turn back to the Victorian age and I can't honestly even say who is behind it. With so many sinners and perverts out there, who are these people instituting these ridiculous decency standards? No doubt there's some rich minority with nothing better to do than tell the rest of us how we should live our lives.

Um...do these people realize that they could just have the game stores check an ID to ensure that the children remain diaper wearing shits. That's what they do in America if you try to buy an M rated game, even then as long as the child's guardian allows it the child can play rated M games.

I think you should send a killer bunny to their door...

@Glefistus--Since when does anything with America make sense? There's an uproar over Obama being a socialist, but then people cry foul when one points out that due to many government-run programs we've been living in a semi-socialist country for a long while now. People want the government to stay out of our bodies and our bedrooms, yet we still fight and debate over legislation concerning the issues of abortion and gay marriage.

I mean, we order diet sodas with our Big Macs, for crying out loud! We've *never* been "quite right," to begin with.

tellmeimaninja:
For once I agree with Yahtzee's Extra Punctuation...
With things like this, it's only a matter of time until we have governments like the one in MIrror's Edge. I hope that never happens. That game was terrible.

That has got to be the funniest comment I've seen all day. Two thumbs up! :D

Must....resist...zombie...jokes...

Knight Templar:

Spider Expert:

Also few? Hardly.

What part of "The average gamer in Australia is about 30 years old" didn't you understand.
The majority has to follow the rules that exsist for the few.

Suddenly the youths appeal of gaming disappears

Spider Expert:

Knight Templar:

Spider Expert:

Also few? Hardly.

What part of "The average gamer in Australia is about 30 years old" didn't you understand.
The majority has to follow the rules that exsist for the few.

Suddenly the youths appeal of gaming disappears

You'll need to elaborate on what exactly you're saying here.

I don't agree with Yahtzee at all on this issue. There's no way around it, this game is a solid 18+ game rating wise. What should be said is that there is an absolute need for an 18+ rating in Australia.

As we are sending right now Painkiller Resurrection to the Rating Board down under I get a slight sense of panic while reading the lines...

the zombies in left 4 dead are actually living people, just infected wth the virus that makes them go insane. sucks yahtzee can't get it, i was looking forward to the review.

Just think about the world in the next twenty years when the old gezers are dead and the "innocent children" are running things. These rules most likely wont exist, and the old people who are still clinging to life with lifesupport wont be able to do a damn thing about it.

Wow. Yahtzee really likes his beaches.

Well it is complete bull-ovaltine-chocolate-drink, but good ol' yahtzee can get it with his good friends from GAME TRADERS ROBINA.

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