222: Too Gay for the U.S.A.

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Serenegoose:
Simply accepting birdo as female, the 'censored US version' is infact more progressive than the article, which by its language, artificialises birdos gender, and asserts that it's 'really' male. That it's being applied to such a trivial, minor character is of no consequence, because it speaks of a larger prejudice only highlighted in this case, that should be confronted.

Thank you. At least someone noticed this. While I agree with the overall article's point, it's extremely offensive the way the writer continually brushes off Birdo as another example of homosexuality and sexual orientation. Repeatedly stating that Birdo's genetic sex needs to be acknowledged, as if they're hiding some part of herself. Sadly the writer manages to *completely* miss the point and blend together two ENTIRELY different issues into one. Sexual orientation and Gender Identity have nothing whatsoever to do with one another and to label them as such in simply outright insulting.

As stated before, the so-called "censored" edition of Mario in which it simply states Birdo as being a girl, is DRASTICALLY less offensive than anything this article has put forth.

Dryce:
I actually knew this for a long time about Birdo. I wrote an essay for school about it. But this just leads to the second part of my original Thesis. Since we know that Birdo is a guy now, what does that make him and Yoshi? I have heard in the past people say that Yoshi is a guy but it's a dragon/dinosaur that lays eggs. Only the females of both species can lay eggs and they cannot asexually reproduce. Now the problem with Yoshi's and Birdo's gender issues(Don't say Godzilla because that was radioactive mutation and don't say Jurassic park because that was gene splicing with a toad that can reproduce asexually. I thought that through) that makes either Yoshi and Birdo gay lovers or a standard relationship of man and woman. So Birdo being a cross-dressing guy is only the first part. In Mario games before I have seen the two hand in hand cheek to cheek with hearts above their heads so we know they love each other. So this is a lesbian relationship, a gay relationship, or a male and female with the male being a cross dresser. Either way I still think Birdo and Yoshi are sexy

Crossdressers and transsexuals are two entirely different things. Birdo, while genetically male, would most definitely be the female of the relationship and has no desire to be acknowledged otherwise.

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This article and thread both speak volumes about the severe lack of genuine support for transsexuality, and the ignorance/prejudice among it's so-called "supporters."

Just to note, the article was nice and all, but I think there was quite a bit of skewing of ideology within the first page.

You noted how people on What They Play were polled about what worried them more in games, and you make it seem like they only had to pick from severed heads and guys kissing, where in fact there were four choices.

The results of the initial What They Play™ online poll, conducted April 4-10, 2008, found that the 1,266 participants were most offended by the following in a video game:
a man and woman having sex (37%);
two men kissing (27%);
a graphically severed head (25%);
and multiple use of the F-word (9%).

There's only a 2% difference in the people polled.

Yes, you're statement is correct, but I think this just shows that the US is more inclined to shy away from any kind of intimate activity (Kissing, sex, etc.) compared to violence.

Then again, their second poll kind of goes against that, but, oh well.

Either which way, interesting article I have to say.

Eoin Livingston:
BIRDO!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

OT: They changed his entire character to fit their homophobia?

in the manual that game with the game they goofed and forgot to list birdo as female it said birdo is male.

[sarcasm mode on] I loooooooooooooooove how America is Ok with gore/decapitation/mutilation/whatever but two guys/girls kissing is a no-no. [sarcasm mode off]

But, really. This annoys me so very much! VIVIAN! I WANT YOU TO BE THE MAN YOU ARE!

Never noticed, most game chars are fairly androgynous.

I find it very offensive that you insentuate that corss dressing or being a transfestite automaticly makes you gay.

I never realized Birdo was a dude. Heck, I never realized his name was Birdo!

Doug:

bushwhacker2k:
I recall hearing about Birdo being a guy. Yeah, being homophobic seems to be a popular fad that just won't die in the USA... I wonder why?

wolfy098:

cos they don't get out enough...

Cause the homophobes are homosexual themselves and hide it via overcompensation.

That reminds me of an episode of Family Guy.

Actually bridget's crossdressing wasn't so much a personal choice since he was raised to be a girl since it was considered an ill omen for twins to be born of different genders or something like that. I still remember my jawdrop and subsequent "Bridget's a WHAT ?!" when I found out. But yeah an interesting article although I'm surprised there are people who don't know about this yet. Also crossdresser =/= gay although it is still frowned upon to the same degree I'd say.

I never noticed the lack of gays in games. First time I saw Bridget in GG I thought "damn, she's hot" then I found out Bridget is a guy and I thought "I'd still tap that" I'm not exactly gay, but I would say I'm possibly bi, as such I think it is a little (ok a lot) stupid that we don't let certain games get localized just cause someone might become a homosexual because men can stick it in other men's poopers. Religion, Hollywood, and Bill Cosby have RUINED this world.

Why does the author even compare violence in video games to homosexuality in games?

I mean, millions of people, including me love violence in videogames. It's fun getting a perfect headshot in Fallout 3 and seeing your enemies head fly off in a slow motion. But, what does homosexuality (or even heterosexuality) give to the people playing the game? I have yet to hear one person say "this game needs more homosexuality."

Overall, I don't care if a game has hints of relationships, but I feel imposed upon when developers put homosexuality in games in a way that it's forced upon you if you want to play the game. A video game character's gender preference (gay or straight) does not need to be disclosed. It's a fucking game, not a soap opera.

Pararaptor:
Does anyone remember how Fallout 3 was commended for its inclusion of homosexual NPCs in the wasteland, yet of the three gay men, one was a prissy fashion-queen & the other a moustached, hard-voiced rough character with a weaker, dominated lover, & that the two lesbians had hideous rotting skin?

Who was the "prissy fasion queen"? I can't come up with them right now. :o

Yureina:

Pararaptor:
Does anyone remember how Fallout 3 was commended for its inclusion of homosexual NPCs in the wasteland, yet of the three gay men, one was a prissy fashion-queen & the other a moustached, hard-voiced rough character with a weaker, dominated lover, & that the two lesbians had hideous rotting skin?

Who was the "prissy fasion queen"? I can't come up with them right now. :o

God-damn, I haven't played that game in so long I can't recall his name...
He lives & works at Tenpenny Tower, sells clothes & armour. Asian bloke, he might be called Antony, I think...

Pararaptor:

Yureina:

Pararaptor:
Does anyone remember how Fallout 3 was commended for its inclusion of homosexual NPCs in the wasteland, yet of the three gay men, one was a prissy fashion-queen & the other a moustached, hard-voiced rough character with a weaker, dominated lover, & that the two lesbians had hideous rotting skin?

Who was the "prissy fasion queen"? I can't come up with them right now. :o

God-damn, I haven't played that game in so long I can't recall his name...
He lives & works at Tenpenny Tower, sells clothes & armour. Asian bloke, he might be called Antony, I think...

Oh, that guy. He struck me less as gay and more of just being a snob. You know, like how everyone else in that tower acts? I need to murder that place more often.

Since the comments section is very forum-style, I apologize if I was not supposed to "epic bump" this. But I had to comment on one thing: Tingle. As a correction, I must point out that in the same game that Tingle shows his homosexual undertones, the origins of Tingle are rooted in his love for women - part of the reason he became who he is is so he could go to Rupee Heaven, a place with relaxation, free food, and women. While he is clearly an effeminate character, effeminacy shouldn't be used as the sole reason for a character being gay.

In fact, his second game follows Tingle as he tries to get a girlfriend.

Pararaptor:
Does anyone remember how Fallout 3 was commended for its inclusion of homosexual NPCs in the wasteland, yet of the three gay men, one was a prissy fashion-queen & the other a moustached, hard-voiced rough character with a weaker, dominated lover, & that the two lesbians had hideous rotting skin?

There were gay guys in Fallout 3?

I don't remember this @.@

Anyone else up in this thread who had to think about the Migamel Brothers of Shadow Hearts Covenant?
Or if not, Joachim Valentine and The Great Question?

Or the gay twins from God Hand?

You know, if Birdo really was born male but wanted to be completely female, I think she would like the fact that people just assume she's a girl and not remember she used to be a boy.
Sexual identity and orientation are only tangetally related anyways.

Oh, and we Americans did finally get rid of Don't Ask Don't Tell, and more and more states are starting to legally recognize gay marriage. . . . Oh who am I kidding? I live in the south, where in some states the act of two men loving each other with their bodies is an offense punishable with jailtime. *sigh*

But while Freshly-Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland only features a few campy sequences that imply he might be gay - such as a brawny construction worker whistling as he passes - Nintendo still deemed it unfit for North American release.

"Deemed unfit?" It was not "deemed unfit" for the US because of the connotation that Tingle is gay - it was deemed unfit because everyone in this hemisphere HATES him.

Andrew Webster:
Too Gay for the U.S.A.

Traditionally, Japanese developers haven't shied away from depicting gay and transgender characters in their games. But when these titles make their way overseas, it's a different story. Andrew Webster looks at how publishers have censored gay characters for North American audiences.

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While I'm glad that you've taken the stance against censorship you have, and the stance that you're pro-portraying non-heterosexuals and non-cisgendered people in games without the need to whitewash them or portray them as jokes, etc., I think that some of your examples are hardly championing that cause (or showing Japan as being the respectful enlightened entity that the article implies).

Ash, from Streets of Rage 3, and Cho Anaki are hardly good examples for positive portrayals of LGBT people in the media. I can't say that censoring or removing them entirely is somehow better, but they're about as positive a portrayal of LGBT as giant rubbery lipped blackface people are to race relations.

Granted, in Cho Anaki's case, that's sort of the point of the whole genre, and it's better to get all voices, warts and all than none, but still.

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