The Problem With Twilight

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Now that Bob has pretty much summed up everything wrong with Twilight and Stephanie Meyer..

No. More. God. Damn. Twilight. Threads.

so Bella slices open her arm betting that the scent of fresh blood will distract the bad guy

Wow, just wow.

Hit the nail on the head, you also seemed to cover all your bases (my movie review was not biased, authors religion irrelevant, ect.) Well done.

Hmm the people I know like it because "OMG but the guys so hot"

Maybe some of the same reason a lot of guys like transformers...

Sounds like it could be endemic.

Sovvolf:
I once wrote a comic book (A very poorly written comic book... I was a kid) about Vampires who where pretty close to those in Twilight as far as powers go. Though the differences where that in Sunlight, they'd be much weaker and wouldn't have access to most of their powers. Also drinking fresh human blood would make them extremely powerful but cause them to go lose their minds overtime, while also being extremely addictive. The constant drinking of fresh human blood would eventually start to change their appearance and give them major weaknesses during the day... Like being burnt into ash :D. I liked those Vampires... Yeah doesn't keep to the myth but they were pretty cool. I had my main character a Gangster/Blood dealer, a bit of a thug with a deep enough personality to be interested in without being a whiny git. Trust me, my main character wasn't whiny or overly emotional... He was just a dick.

What's my point in saying all that do you ask? My point is that you could make an interesting Vampire out of what twilight as. Change a few thing here and there and you've got a new twist on Vampires without having them boring. Twilight however... Doesn't. They waste a lot of potential with their vampires because they are making a love story with as relies on idiocy. As pointed out by Bob... There's no disadvantage to being a vampire... So why wont he turn her?... Because he's a creepy fuck who prefers humans. Not to mention a 100+ creepy fuck who prefers young school girl humans... Yet this is acceptable.

Why hasn't Belle had him put on some sort of register with a restraining order while going into protection?. Because she's an idiot, she's a submissive tool. The type of women who's probably into bondage given that she doesn't seem to have a problem with people arguing about her as if she their property.

See we have a movie saga where the main plot is a love triangle between an submissive idiot, a creepy stalker and the only seemingly sane one out of them Jacob (Yeah, this guy is the sanest and possibly the most believable out of them all... Yet this is the character who claims a child as his).

We could have had so much more out of this. We have social rivalry going on between werewolf (well shapeshifters) and Vampires. They both want to rip each other apart... Why can't we focus on this?. Hand to hand brawling warfare between Werewolf and Vampires, all out war. Like Underworld without all the leather and guns. We have sinister organisations which run the Vampires versus the native American, live of the land, all for honour code that's running the Werewolf's. This would be cool, you have the makings of a deep and interesting book and movie here. Just take away this love triangle between Pilock, Stalker and Wolf.

B'ah, I'm probably talking shit, way too much Coffee today. I'd just like to see a movie like this, even with the sparkle vampires versus the shape-shifters.

I very much have to agree with you on that idea. The amazing thing about anything, be it books, movies, video games, comic books, and even soundtracks (Just look at something like Pink Floyd's The Wall) is that it can be turned into something good, you just have to make it work.

The whole idea of Twilight is that it could legitimately have present time connotation with the current war we are in, having something to with the Werewolves and Vampires, or a struggle between a daughter and father with Bella and her dad in association with the last recent political figure we had in office, SOMETHING.

But it has been said time and again that it is a romance between three very unlikable characters, which, like most of anything, can work, but it's the writers inability to create interesting characters that makes everything about the series be so boring. It's an overly long soap opera that will hopefully end shortly.

dude, who cares. take your girlfriend out to this movie, sit through it, and then get laid.

it's like a chore, just get it done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v14/Svenstorm/Misc/000w0bkt.gif

So... there's that to look forward too.... >.>;

Sometimes my friends and I rent bad movies just to make fun of them. This is usually guaranteed entertainment, especially when the movie takes itself seriously (See Battlefield Earth). But with both of the Twilight movies, we had no fun at all. Watching the first one was like trying to play with Barbie dolls and unavoidably ending up just staring at them, unsure what to do and why little girls like this.

With the second one we came in more determined to setup our off-screen stand up comedy show, but oh dear God, it just robbed us of our spirit and our will to live. 115 minutes of absolutely nothing happening and 5 minutes of something that resembled what might come out of Dan Brown's (even more) retarded cousin's imagination. 115 minutes and the only things I can recall happening are 1) a papercut that made a vampire go "yum" 2) half naked male models 3) lots of mountains and rain 4) Edward appearing in a vision to warn Bella that motorcycles are dangerous (I remember that because I laughed to tears). Un-fucking-believable. The whole movie was like a black hole. It is quite an accomplishment really, to make something that empty and draw it out so long. Not many people could do it.

Therefore I conclude that every Twilight fan out there MUST be retarded and I wouldn't go anywhere near them, in the same way that I wouldn't go anywhere near someone who eats dogshit and claims it is delicious.

It baffles me that my otherwise very intelligent sister is seemingly completely blind to how Edward is a stalker, all the relationships are abusive or unhealthy, and the overall message is one she would otherwise never even want to be remotely associated with - and yet she'll go on about how it's nice to find books like these marketed at teen girls that are so refreshingly wholesome.

Hearing her say that out loud boggled my mind. Apparently "Edward's perfect face" trumps a horribly regressive core message.

camazotz:
so why are we assuming that the average Twilight fan is so gullible?

Well for starters, they like Twilight, that says a lot right there. But in a more serious answer, the argument that obvious fantasy will negatively impact an otherwise normal individual's life is why the videogame nonsense is nonsense - the problem with this series is the troublesome elements have nothing to do with fantasy at all, but the all too human and extremely unhealthy relationships that are being glamorized. Vampires are fiction, stalkers are fact; it's therefore worrisome that Twilight fans are idolizing a character that, when stripped of any supernatural qualities, is basically a scumbag.

Abusive and unhealthy relationships aren't really things we should be encouraging, and given the anecdotal evidence I've witnessed firsthand, that aspect of those books/films would seem to be something the female fans are willfully myopic about; it's hard to find that anything but disturbing.

BlueInkAlchemist:
It's a shame most young girls interested in Twilight won't read this or, worse, will claim that you "don't get it" as they defend their beloved fandom.

My sister is 26, and all attempts to explain the unsavory core message of the franchise have met with the same angry and irrational defense you just posited. The problem is clearly not one limited to youngsters.

lol. Nice. Maybe one Fan will read this and tell are her fan friends and it will become truth among the people how bad this series is.

Carnagath:
Sometimes my friends and I rent bad movies just to make fun of them. This is usually guaranteed entertainment, especially when the movie takes itself seriously (See Battlefield Earth). But with both of the Twilight movies, we had no fun at all. Watching the first one was like trying to play with Barbie dolls and unavoidably ending up just staring at them, unsure what to do and why little girls like this.

With the second one we came in more determined to setup our off-screen stand up comedy show, but oh dear God, it just robbed us of our spirit and our will to live. 115 minutes of absolutely nothing happening and 5 minutes of something that resembled what might come out of Dan Brown's retarded cousin's imagination. 115 minutes and the only things I can recall happening are 1) a papercut that made a vampire go "yum" 2) half naked male models 3) lots of mountains and rain 4) Edward appearing in a vision to warn Bella that motorcycles are dangerous. Un-fucking-believable. The whole movie was like a black hole. It is quite an accomplishment really, to make something that empty and draw it out so long. Not many people could do it.

Therefore I conclude that every Twilight fan out there MUST be retarded and I wouldn't go anywhere near them, in the same way that I wouldn't go anywhere near someone who eats dogshit and claims it is delicious.

That is my main complaint that nothing happens and the books are very badly written.

You know what Bob, I never looked at the series like that before. Thank you for providing me with some valuable pub ammo to use against my friend who thinks that Twilight is the definition of novel writing.

While the craptasticality of the series is undeniable, I think you just might be reading into this a bit overmuch.

Twilight really worries me, I think most men are above desiring girls like Bella though so hopefully most women will realise that it's utter nonsense.

Bob-this was a fairly solid read, I just have one critique:

This article reads like a talkie, and not like an essay.

Take my opinion for what it's worth, of course, I just feel that this would be served better if it didn't read with the same kind of cadence and flourish as your video reviews have. Your logic is sound, your ideas are all there, I just think you've allowed a little too much speaking voice to overrun your writing voice, if that makes any sense.

Otherwise, keep fighting the good one. Cheers.

I hate Twilight, and I've only just understood why...

Bella (whiny little bitch that she is) has no social skills and no friends. She makes no effort to know those classmates in her school... or just about anyone. I know this, I read the books.

Look, that's ok, I did that too. But the thing is, Bella gets a boyfriend. No, scratch that, she gets two hunky immortal types who fight over her. This is not real, girlies! You Twihards need to understand being introverted and unsociable does not gets you the continued interest of men!

I got a boyfriend eventually... when I was 21! Ok, living proof right there. And I had to work hard on communication and friendship and stuff first. That's really what I hate about Twilight. As far I can tell, it leads girls to believe that it's ok to be social inept and not to care about others, only about yourself. That your worth is determined by the number of immortal hunks fighting over you, even though you have the personality of a wet tea towel, and that it could really happen.

I mean, I want to see the ending where both the vampire and the werewolf realise what a brat Bella is and walk away. So she can grow a personality. And hopefully a brain.

Seldon2639:

For perspective's sake, though, is the "your life revolves around your life interest" any different from any romantic comedy? I mean, a review of even some of Gaiman's work would have some very similar undertones of female vulnerability, male heroism, ect.

Every form of media focused on romance is based in large part on the premise that "my life revolves around my love". I mean, come on, from D.N Angel and Full Metal Panic to Stardust, to John Cusack's extended resume, it's all about obsession (perhaps love) being the driving force in someone's life.

True, the male-centric stories tend more toward the deed of daring do, but even that's tinged by the "manipulative bitch" aspect; and if we assume that young men are just as empty-headed as young women, then the entire catalog of tropes in that genre are doing just as much harm.

How about we count it all as escapist fantasy, and assume that the readers (male and female) can distinguish between fiction and reality.

On the issue of Bella's self, sacrifice, though, it does raise an interesting question. If the roles were significantly reversed, and a guy had to harm himself/endanger his life in order to protect or aid his love interest, would we bat an eye? When Richard in the Sword of Truth series does stupid shit in order to protect Kahlan, do we consider it wrong? When Harry Dresden becomes self-destructive and retarded after the loss of his girlfriend (and, arguably, the love of his life), do we view it as self-indulgent crap, or as legitimate character development?

here's the thing, were the characters in question accomplishing anything else during their self-destructive streaks, and were the characters in question given firmly established personalities prior to these self-destructive escapades? because the answer in Bella's case is no to both.

in New Moon, Bella repeatedly engages in recklessly suicidal behavior. she does this not while accomplishing anything noble(cop w/death wish taking unnecessary risks) or out of desire to accomplish something(Lois Lane repeatedly wandering into deathtraps out of a patholigical need to "get the story."), but because when she does so she hallucinates that Edward is warning her not to do this shit.

as Moviebob and many others have so eloquently put it, the problem with Twilight is that not only does the entire narrative collapse the instant you apply any amount of logical thought to it, but in doing so you find numerous, numerous unfortunate implications. the personality of every other character reads like a DSM entry, every other bit of dialogue that isn't people gazing longingly into each others eyes sounds like it was lifted whole cloth from an after school special on abusive male partners or rape, the driving source for every problem to be overcome in the plot is "Edward won't fucking bite Bella," and the solution to every one of these problems is "Bella nobly self-immolating until Edward finally turns her."

it combines the worst kind of fictional romance, places it front and center to the derision of anything that might actually be interesting, and just gets progressively creepier as it goes on.

I remember Spoony over at The Spoony Experiment wrote an addendum to his New Moon review saying that Bella's neediness and selfishness borders on sociopathic. Good times: http://spoonyexperiment.com/2009/11/22/vlog-11-22-09-new-moon/

Anyway, I thankfully belong to a family that is comprised of three men that have nothing but detest for a series that is disgusting as this. I once told my mother about Breaking Dawn's end and her jaw dropped. Unfortunately though I have a LOT of female cousins and they somehow think this is an acceptable series. At XMas I should have yanked my one cousin's boyfriend to the side and A) Step up your game, because if she's watching this shit that's a bad thing or B) RUN.

Not G. Ivingname:

MovieBob:
The Problem With Twilight

It's more than just bad moviemaking.

Read Full Article

Silly Bob! The Middle ages didn't have wars fought over a single woman. That is the stone age we are talking about! Hit girl with club and she is yours to drag to your cave! Get your history right.

Go read the Iliad.

Seldon2639:

Ridergurl10:

MovieBob:
The Problem With Twilight

It's more than just bad moviemaking.

Read Full Article

I'm so glad someone else sees the problems with this series that I do.

Although I worry much more about teaching girls that their lives should revolve around a guy (or two), then brainwashing them into thinking they have to stay virgins. An entire generation of girls who can't think for themselves just scares me, thats all there is to say.

There are SOOO many better books for teenage girls with MUCH better messages . . . not to mention better writing. Although I'm pretty sure I've read elementary school book reports with better writing than this series :)

For perspective's sake, though, is the "your life revolves around your life interest" any different from any romantic comedy? I mean, a review of even some of Gaiman's work would have some very similar undertones of female vulnerability, male heroism, ect.

Every form of media focused on romance is based in large part on the premise that "my life revolves around my love". I mean, come on, from D.N Angel and Full Metal Panic to Stardust, to John Cusack's extended resume, it's all about obsession (perhaps love) being the driving force in someone's life.

True, the male-centric stories tend more toward the deed of daring do, but even that's tinged by the "manipulative bitch" aspect; and if we assume that young men are just as empty-headed as young women, then the entire catalog of tropes in that genre are doing just as much harm.

How about we count it all as escapist fantasy, and assume that the readers (male and female) can distinguish between fiction and reality.

On the issue of Bella's self, sacrifice, though, it does raise an interesting question. If the roles were significantly reversed, and a guy had to harm himself/endanger his life in order to protect or aid his love interest, would we bat an eye? When Richard in the Sword of Truth series does stupid shit in order to protect Kahlan, do we consider it wrong? When Harry Dresden becomes self-destructive and retarded after the loss of his girlfriend (and, arguably, the love of his life), do we view it as self-indulgent crap, or as legitimate character development?

Maybe I'm spending too much time defending a series I don't have any actual affection for (and I have defended the mythological "everyone makes shit up" aspect of vampire stories), but it seems like the same behavior we deride in Bella (and consider antediluvian) we would praise in a male character.

I can talk about the "virginity/honor killing" thing another time, it just feels like we're not being entirely fair.

I hate to disagree but you couldn't be more wrong. While you do make some good points about the whole self sacrifice thing on Bella's part, that isn't really what I meant about her being so reliant on the boys in the story. I have read plenty of books where the female leads sacrifice just as much as the male leads, and do so without being so wimpy. Bella has NO existance wthout Edward, her life literally revolves around him.

Try reading anything by J.D. Robb for example. Her books are about a strong female lead who is married (after the third book at least), but she has a life without her man. Both main charactors in that particular series have issues and rely on eachother to get through them, but it goes both ways. In the Twilight books Edward is ALWAYS the one saving Bella, she can't do ANYTHING without him.

For me its all about going both ways in these books. Bella is always being saved, never doing the saving. She thinks life is over when Edward leaves, while he apparently continues to function (even though I'm sure he misses her). Bellas is just not the kind of role model I think is good for girls who are still developing their sense of self. They should be looking at female leads who can save themselves, not rely on a man to do it for them (I swear I'm not some crazy feminist, I just hate books when the girls are TOTALLY useless without their men)!!

What problem I had is a message that's not even thinly-veiled. She pretty much outright says, "The only way I can possibly be happy is to marry my first high school sweetheart the god damned moment I turn eighteen." And it's not just Twilight. Nearly every drama a female acquaintance of mine has gone through an even brief obsession with (e.g. One Tree Hill, The OC, and, of course, Twilight) has ended with the couple who was together in high school getting married as soon as they legally can, which just isn't all that likely to happen in real life.

Also, why the hell does she hate her dad so much? I read the first chapter of the first book, and every other sentence was a reiteration about how much of a dick he is. She even whined and bitched when HE BOUGHT HER A CAR.

"Patriarchal virginity worship... that characterizes the lowest points in humanity"? Are you serious? Marriage is now bad? Come on guy, I dare you to qualify that statement. You sound like a male feminist, sorry to nitpick a line, I really hate to do that, but I can't stand statements like that. Marriage is not oppressive to women anymore than it's oppressive to men, please, prove me wrong.

On a bit of a tangent, it reminds me of the line you made in your review of Splice. Something about traditional movies on the subject being "preachy about 'not messing in God's domain'". I suppose you could characterize it that way, but I would offer an alternative view on the subject. Maybe the point is "you're not as smart as you think you are, you're very fallible and the chances of causing bad things to happen when you screw around with the rules of genetics/the universe, there's a fairly good chance something bad will happen.".

ShadowKatt:
I had absolutely no idea that this series embodied that much evil.

In all seriousness, there is no way that Meyer thought of all that when she wrote it. I mean, I can't imagine why she would. If Bobs analysis is on the ball(And it usually is, he's pretty damn good), then it's taking a step back to when women wouldn't have been able to write a book in the first place. I think it's all pretty well coincidental, though that doesn't make the impact any less real. However, I think the saving grace to this are the fangirls. The utterly moronic fangirls that are just showing up for fan service and NOT reading into this at all. They're just there to see pretty boys and that's it.

Oh i can see why she would do that just fine... Religious belifs... But i dont giver enough crdit to have done that on purpose.. She is just not good enough a writer to have done it on purpose

Foolishman1776:
"Patriarchal virginity worship... that characterizes the lowest points in humanity"? Are you serious? Marriage is now bad? Come on guy, I dare you to qualify that statement. You sound like a male feminist, sorry to nitpick a line, I really hate to do that, but I can't stand statements like that. Marriage is not oppressive to women anymore than it's oppressive to men, please, prove me wrong.

He talk not really about mariage per say... But traditional mariage where the woman have to be submissive and passive and the man being domminant and oppressive...

Talvrae:
He talk not really about mariage per say... But traditional mariage where the woman have to be submissive and passive and the man being domminant and oppressive...

I was raised in a traditional family, with conservative parents. My understanding of traditional marriage was mutual submission, and division of responsibilities. That the person earning the money for the family (in most cases, the male) had the responsibility to see that it was spent, well, responsibly made sense. Beyond this even in the most traditional marriages, that I am aware of the woman's power in the home borders on absolute, and most decisions were made mutually. I despise that people characterize the whole institution by the most dysfunctional people involved in it, even if they are a minority.

Foolishman1776:

ShadowKatt:
He talk not really about mariage per say... But traditional mariage where the woman have to be submissive and passive and the man being domminant and oppressive...

I was raised in a traditional family, with conservative parents. My understanding of traditional marriage was mutual submission, and division of responsibilities. Even in the most traditional marriages, the woman's power in the home borders on absolute, and most decisions were made mutually. I despise that people characterize the whole institution by the most dysfunctional people involved in it, even if they are a minority.

But it's not what Stephanie Mayer promote... look at how Edward treat bella and you will understand that he would go with nothing less than absolute power over her

Talvrae:

Foolishman1776:

ShadowKatt:
He talk not really about mariage per say... But traditional mariage where the woman have to be submissive and passive and the man being domminant and oppressive...

I was raised in a traditional family, with conservative parents. My understanding of traditional marriage was mutual submission, and division of responsibilities. Even in the most traditional marriages, the woman's power in the home borders on absolute, and most decisions were made mutually. I despise that people characterize the whole institution by the most dysfunctional people involved in it, even if they are a minority.

But it's not what Stephanie Mayer promote... look at how Edward treat bella and you will understand that he would go with nothing less than absolute power over her

She doesn't treat him a whole lot better, based on what VERY little I know of the series (most of it second hand). I seem to remember that she flakes out on him more than once for not being her perfect man statue. I think even more disturbing than the implications of the book is that no one even tries to see things from the male's perspective. She seems to expect just as much worship from him, he doesn't really seem to expect much from her, other than her agreeing to exclusivity. Again, I don't know much about the series, but frankly, from what little I know, I almost feel sorry for the character, Edward, is it?

Edit: put the wrong poster in the original quote at first, fixed mine, but not yours.

Foolishman1776:

She doesn't treat him a whole lot better, based on what VERY little I know of the series (most of it second hand). I seem to remember that she flakes out on him more than once for not being her perfect man statue. I think even more disturbing than the implications of the book is that no one even tries to see things from the male's perspective. She seems to expect just as much worship from him, he doesn't really seem to expect much from her, other than her agreeing to exclusivity. Again, I don't know much about the series, but frankly, from what little I know, I almost feel sorry for the character, Edward, is it?

Edit: put the wrong poster in the original quote at first, fixed mine, but not yours.

Bite me on that... i dont have read them eighter... Not even watched the movie but the first half of the first movie... I'm simply basing what i said from what i have read elsewhere...

The movie is just bad, bad bad. Seen all three movies and it's fucking hilariously pathetic. Those movies aren't ART!

Straying Bullet:
The movie is just bad, bad bad. Seen all three movies and it's fucking hilariously pathetic. Those movies aren't ART!

To bring up a bit of a deeper question, can pornography be art?

Foolishman1776:

Straying Bullet:
The movie is just bad, bad bad. Seen all three movies and it's fucking hilariously pathetic. Those movies aren't ART!

To bring up a bit of a deeper question, can pornography be art?

I don't have seen any that could qualify as art... But.. Why could it not? If the porn movie was well writen well filmed, well directed... maybe it could qualify... remember me of a bit of news i saw this week... searching it in english to see if i can find it back

edit found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Diaries

camazotz:
The only concern I can see over the views you are presenting, and specifically over the suggestion that this movie might define or influence behavior in young women, is that it seems to be the same error that conventional critics and the media in general makes constantly toward the movies and games so prevalent in our gamer/nerd culture. Suggesting that the women who enjoy Twilight will be inclined to develop anti-feminist, submissive and/or powerless roles against stalker/domineering males sounds very close (in my mind) the popular assertion that if I love to play Modern Warfare 2 then I must either be a gun nut, prone to violence in real life, or otherwise am easily influenced in some way for the worse. We know the people who make such assertions about our gamer culture are full of it, because we know that we, as people, are not so shallow, desperate for guidance and malleable that playing a violent game or watching a violent movie will otherwise change our very nature as people....so why are we assuming that the average Twilight fan is so gullible?

comparing this to the influence of violent media is inaccurate. consider instead how many male geeks have plunged headlong into doomed, unhealthy relationships with clearly damaged goods since Annie Hall introduced the concept of the Manic Pixie Dream Girl. how many times have young male geeks done reenactments of The Offspring's "Self Esteem" in pursuit of a wholly fictional ideal mate archetype? i've seen it more than a few times, and now socially awkward females have their own mentally unstable fictional ideal who happens to have all the qualities of an abusive douchebag to pursue. wheee!

Having barely seen any of the films or read any of the books, my knowledge of the whole Twilight thing is fairly rudimentary.

It'll die eventually. If anything life has taught me, the people that enjoy things like this are easily distracted.



Ridergurl10:
Snippy Snip

That is the biggest problem with Belle... She is the most stereotypical damsel in distress ever to be placed in a piece of fiction. Heck Louis Lane was more independent and was a much stronger character. She's written in an attempt to pass her off as deep or complex but she is in every way a damsel in distress. This could have worked though if she had gotten stronger. I mean, the problem with the character is that she really doesn't progress. She stays the same whiny, dependent bitch all the way through the series. She has moments here and there where she takes a couple independent actions but they are to few and far between to give her any character.

Now I could accept her being naive and dependent in the first movie, she's new to all this and not sure whats going on and with this discovery of Edward being a vampire along with there being other vampires in the area... Yeah, she'll be confused and dependent on the first friendly Vampire she comes across.

However in the second movie... This is where she should start becoming more self-dependant and starting to be able to look after her self. When Edward leaves, she should have been mournful yes, sure, her boyfriends just done a runner. However now he's gone she should be learning to take care of her self and snap her self out of her vulnerable state.
She doesn't, instead she tries killing her self a good amount of times and then finds another big muscular male to take care of her. This doesn't show progression, she just seems more of a parasite, way too dependent on the others.

Then she stays this way through the rest of the books... She doesn't develop... Okay, refusing to have the abortion despite it killing her shows an amount of strength in the character but it's way too late in the series for it to amount to anything.

Haha i just remembered your "Morman Vampires Abstenance Porn" thing. Possibly the most astute assesment of the series i've ever heard.(Also your first reveiw was dead on, Joss Wheadon IS a fucking genius)

That actually makes a lot of sense I never really thought of Twilight in that way or in any way becuase of my complete and utter hate for it. Although because it it completely nullifies the argument of only women being oversexed in movies. I mean their tops disappear but they can still keep their trousers. They should really give then name of the company that makes those trousers to the Hulk and use that technology in making T-Shirts. The Big overgrown dogs and the Hulk would save a fortune. Although it would probably put the local economy in jeopardy since they won't be making enough money through clothing sales.

Also this is what I have a problem with Twlight as well.

One thing I don't like about some of the fans is that they hold in regard as a great work of literature. Fair enough if you do actually like it but it is by no stretch of the imagination a great work of literature. I for one hate Tom Sawyer but can admit that it is a good book. I may not like Madonna but I can still admit she has appeal the same with someone not liking Iron Maiden or Nirvana. They have made actual contributions to their genre even inventing one and helping make another mainstream so you can't really say that they are shit. While Twilight on the other hand has popularised pussy vampires who care about the living. You don't care about your food you eat it.

I went into Easons and saw that all the top 10 were vampire books and top 4 being Twilight. While I suppose it is good that they are putting money into it basically elimating any slim chance the book shops have of closing it is a bit sickening seeing the other crap they buy which is all the same thign with a slight different slant. I know this can follow through with a lot things in the same genre but the fact that they were all novels to do with romantic vampires sickened me a little.

HK_01:

Where have I heard that before? Oh, right - the Middle Ages.

Wow, I never thought you're that old!

Why do you think he's offended by vampires being portrayed badly/incorrectly in the media? Hmmm?

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